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Title: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 17th, 2006, 6:29pm I have a backwords issue with my car and not sure what it could be. Any help would be nice. I just put a new battery in it 2 days ago because it was dead and now it will start fine in the am when I go to work but after I get to work if I try to start it right away it will barely turn over and not start. If I give it like 3 hours and try to start it again then it starts fine. What the heck!!! I have someone looking at it this weekend would like to have an idea before than what to expect. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars?. Post by maffumatt on Oct 17th, 2006, 6:31pm Start your car and pull the positive side battery cable off the battery to see if your alternator needs replaced If it stays running it is something else. If it dies replace the alternator. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 17th, 2006, 6:34pm I am fairly knowledgable about cars. If I do that and my car dies then it would be the alternator then right? [smiley=huh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by LeLimey on Oct 17th, 2006, 6:40pm You could just be overloading the alternator too. I've done that. Sitting in traffic with the heater going full blast, lights and windscreen wipers on and stereo belting out full blast! You need to be making the alternator work and if you are only doing short journeys with everything else running then the alternator won't recharge the battery hence it being flat. I'd take it for a couple of good long runs (if you aren't) and if its still doing that then its likely to be a wafty alternator. Hope that helps! Helen |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 17th, 2006, 6:44pm WOW thank you guys. Yah it almost seems the longer it runs the better chance of it not starting again. I appreciate all of the help. ::) |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by georgej on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:01pm Alternator. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Sean_C on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:08pm on 10/17/06 at 18:29:44, aubmari wrote:
What color is it? |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Racer1_NC on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:26pm Also check for loose or dirty battery cable terminals. I have see people install batteries and leave the cables loose.......heat from the engine causes the terminals to expand just enough to cause problems. I will say that more than likely it's the alternator, but checking and cleaning cable ends is free and something to check as it could eliminate the problem. Bill |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Sean_C on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:43pm Honestly it could be what Bill said, however if the alternator voltage checks out ok, my guess is it could be a bad armature or field coil, and that means a new starter. Without looking at it, we're all just guessing aubmari, thats why I asked you what color it was, but you didn't bite ;;D All I can say is bring your sneakers to work, you might need'em ;;D Sean............................ |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by BB on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:51pm What is an alternator ?? I couldnt start myself this morning either ! Maybe I need my alternator checked? ;;D Annette |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Cathi04 on Oct 17th, 2006, 10:06pm I am thrilled to pieces that Bill and the other gear-heads in the group replied to this for Aub........coz my answer would have been....... Nope, not a clue!!!. I know where the key goes and where to put the gas. I can add air to my tires and I can use the power adjust to make my set comfie in my seat-IF ya get my drift! Past that, well, I think that's why I married. Car stuff is on his side of the Honey-do list. ::) Hope it's a simple fix!!! PF! Cathi |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Fredmyyster on Oct 17th, 2006, 10:59pm I know for a fact that if you add oil it usually gets rid of that clattering sound... :o |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by georgej on Oct 17th, 2006, 11:59pm on 10/17/06 at 21:51:33, BB wrote:
I'm not even going to touch this one. Anyone else? ;) George |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Donna_D. on Oct 18th, 2006, 7:26am Have you checked to see if you are missing any belts or if any of the belts are noticeably loose (make sure car is not running when you check)? Could be that you threw a belt or it is loose and the alternator is not able to recharge the battery. If your battery cable terminals are corroded (covered in a greenish-white looking crust) you can pour some coca-cola over them to clean them then make sure they are tight against the posts on the battery. Also, check your owners manual for the diagram of your fuse box. Check to see if the fuse for your alternator has blown. Words of advice. If you have to take your car to a garage have a male friend go with you...sad, but true, a woman with little to no car knowledge is "easy pickin's" for unscrupulous mechanics/shops. Call a couple of auto parts stores ahead of time and find out the price of an alternator and a belt for your specific make and model of car. If the garage says you have a bad alternator and it needs to be replaced, tell them ahead of time that you want to keep your old parts. Take the old alternator to somewhere like Auto Zone or any other parts store and they will test it for free. The shop will tell you they will have to charge you a core charge if you keep your old parts...tell them you will bring it back after you have had it tested...sometimes that in itself will be a deterrent to keep them from ripping you off. Some shops will also tell you that you need a new belt for your alternator. Check your belts before you go in there and as long as they are not cracked, you really don't need one. I have seen them go as far as cutting the belts just so they can increase the price of their parts/labor. If you decide to test your car by removing the positive (+/red) battery cable, be careful to only remove the positve one. Removing the negative cable first can cause a power surge and you may end up replacing your car's computer as well. Hope this helps. DD |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by jimmers on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:27am Donna, Do you own a fishing boat? Do you have a log cabin by the lake? Are you independently wealthy? Does your family own a chain of liquor stores? Are you single? ;;D Jimmers Just kiddin ;) |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars?. Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:30am on 10/17/06 at 18:31:19, maffumatt wrote:
If you do that, you will need an alternator anyway, because that proceedure will kill the alternator. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:32am Knowing what kind of car you have would be a big help also. ;) All cars symptoms are not indicative of the same problem. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by maffumatt on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:33am Just buy a new car. Problem solved. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars?. Post by alchemy on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:35am on 10/18/06 at 09:30:33, thomas wrote:
How? |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars?. Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:39am on 10/18/06 at 09:35:40, alchemy wrote:
It'll fry the voltage regulator. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars?. Post by maffumatt on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:46am on 10/18/06 at 09:39:43, thomas wrote:
I grew up around a garage and I've never fried one. Call the auto part store and ask how to check the altenator and they will tell you the same. Once the car is started the voltage going back to the battery recharges the battery, it is only 12V. Maybe if you arc it against the body......but otherwise it won't hurt the car. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars?. Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:52am on 10/18/06 at 09:46:30, maffumatt wrote:
Not to sound too high and mighty, but this is what I do for a living, and no way would I take advice from some parts jockey making 7.50 an hour on how to diagnose my car. Modern cars 1994 and newer are complex machines, many problems can result from using standard "tried and true" methods to diagnose them. I've seen it. Take for instance an E-30 series BMW, it the ignition coil fails due to high resistance it takes out the main ecu, every time, installing an inferior replacement coil can have the same effect. I just want to know what kind of car we are talking about before I will even decide if I am qualified to give any advice. But I have yet to see what kind of car we are talking about. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by maffumatt on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:58am Good enough for me Thomas........most of what I have owned and worked on has been American cars and older models, with the electronics in them nowadays it would probably be safest to hook it up to a computer at the dealership or trusted mechanic.....Take Thomas's advice. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 10:01am Or she could just let me know what kind of car it is. But if you are taking it to "some one", make sure it isn't a franchise shop ie, Midas, Pep Boys, Firestone, Goodyear, Tires Plus etc. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 10:45am Thank you Thank you!!!!!!! [smiley=bow.gif] I owe you all. I will definately try ( or have someone else try) this. I honestly think my car is possessed and I need to find someone to come exercise it. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 10:57am on 10/18/06 at 10:01:18, thomas wrote:
It is a Pontiac sunbird ..........umm yah beauty huh? It just seems really odd that as soon as I turn it off when I get to work it is dead but by lunch I can start it again. But I guess since I dont know that much about cars .. It would seem weird to me. :-/ Aubmari |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 10:59am What year? |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 11:03am on 10/18/06 at 10:59:55, thomas wrote:
'94 |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 11:05am When you start the car, do all of the warning lights come on? IE the battery light. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 11:13am on 10/18/06 at 11:05:53, thomas wrote:
Yes when I can get it to start all the lights come on anti lock, battery, check engine light, all of them and then they all go off once it starts. My ck engine light hasn't come on neither has my battery light. ( I dont have a gage for that) If I am having issues with my starter would that make these things happen. It had been making a odd sound for a while before this happened? |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 11:15am I think you should take Bill's advice and check your battery cables for corrosion and tightness. But it does sound like the alternator is bad. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 11:27am Thanks a ton!!! I will try it. ;) |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 18th, 2006, 11:31am could be a real hot engine. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by georgej on Oct 18th, 2006, 12:06pm on 10/18/06 at 11:31:26, vietvet2tours wrote:
Or not. [smiley=laugh.gif] Best, George |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Mattrf on Oct 18th, 2006, 1:38pm I had this same problem with an old car when I was in high school, turned out to be a bad starter, it seems sometimes when they start going bad they will pull to much voltage from the electrical and get very hot, this makes parts expand and make it very difficult for the starter to turn, making it seem like a bad battery but once it cools off it is able to turn easily again, sucks can’t tell you how many times I got stranded before I figured it out. Hope this helps. Matt |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by jimmers on Oct 18th, 2006, 1:43pm My guess would be the starter or the starter solenoid. Its probably malfunctioning/sticking when the car starts initially. The starter is probably getting hot because it is not completely disengaging and is running all the time. (Funny noise you heard) When its hot, it will barely turn. When it cools, it'll turn over just fine. I don't believe its the battery. A battery doesn't have the ability to be re-charged all by itself. Engine temperature can also be a factor. Just a thought, Jimmers I can sell you a FORD if need be. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by jimmers on Oct 18th, 2006, 1:46pm Matt, We must have been typing at the same time! Same result though. ;;D Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 2:15pm I wish that I could give you all a great big hug!!!!! [smiley=hug.gif] I am so gratefull for all of your advice. Sounds totally logical!! I will get it replaced and let you know how it turns out. I owe you all. [smiley=heart.gif] Aubmari |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 2:17pm on 10/18/06 at 13:43:56, jimmers wrote:
My dad feels the same way [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 2:19pm on 10/18/06 at 13:43:56, jimmers wrote:
That's true, but a brand new battery, can cool off after it has been sucked down some and will start better than when the car is just shut off. It's not "recharging" because eventually it won't come back at all, but a new battery maintains it's "surface" charge after it is allowed to cool. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 2:22pm on 10/18/06 at 14:15:24, aubmari wrote:
Get it "diagnosed" by some one who can put their hands on the car before replacing anything. ;) |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 18th, 2006, 3:37pm Whack the starter with a hammer a few times if that works it's the starter |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 3:40pm on 10/18/06 at 15:37:09, vietvet2tours wrote:
Ummm really???? what exactly does that do? Aubmari |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 18th, 2006, 3:44pm frees up the solenoid |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by seasonalboomer on Oct 18th, 2006, 3:47pm on 10/18/06 at 15:44:34, vietvet2tours wrote:
stop solenoid oppression! free up the solenoid! raise up thine hammers and in unison, free up the solenoid! |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Margi on Oct 18th, 2006, 3:49pm Scott....back AWAY from the keyboard. I think your monitor is flickering a wee bit too much and emitting a signal only YOU can hear.... |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by thomas on Oct 18th, 2006, 3:50pm on 10/18/06 at 15:37:09, vietvet2tours wrote:
Use the handle, not the head of the hammer, or once again, you will need a starter regardless. ;) |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 18th, 2006, 3:58pm http://media.putfile.com/15---Maxwells-Silver-Hammer |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 4:04pm It is under my car so I dont know how I would hit it. I gues I could lay on the ground and bang on it for a while and see what happens. Does this really work? Aubmari |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Melissa on Oct 18th, 2006, 4:05pm on 10/18/06 at 15:47:33, seasonalboomer wrote:
ROTFL! [smiley=crackup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 18th, 2006, 4:11pm Yep layin on the ground inna mud and snow. Use the hammer end just don't whack on the solenoid end.Hit the body of the starter. http://www.kenttractors.com/Album%201/New%20MF%20135%20starter%20motors.JPG on 10/18/06 at 16:04:31, aubmari wrote:
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 4:11pm on 10/18/06 at 15:50:30, thomas wrote:
Yah ummm........ good to know! [smiley=hammer.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 18th, 2006, 4:18pm http://www.carpartswholesale.com/images/products_large/USSTR-3100.JPG This is your starter if ya got a six cylinder. It's 123 bucks |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Jonny on Oct 18th, 2006, 4:45pm If your looking for a new car try here, fantastic deals and they dont fuck around! ;;D http://steakandcheese.com/downloads/Baddass_Marketing.wmv |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 18th, 2006, 5:33pm Ya got me my friend on 10/18/06 at 16:45:24, Jonny wrote:
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by aubmari on Oct 18th, 2006, 5:51pm That is the funniest dang thing I have ever seen!!!! [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by BobG on Oct 18th, 2006, 6:23pm I have to go along with the starter as the problem. The starter could be worn to the point that it will turn a cold motor but after the motor is warmed up and the parts are expanded the worn starter drags too much to turn over. If you are checking the battery cables be sure to check both ends. The heat of the engine can cause a loose connection to become even more loose. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by jimmers on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:36pm Or like I said. "Buy a FORD" ;;D Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Jonny on Oct 18th, 2006, 9:43pm on 10/18/06 at 17:51:48, aubmari wrote:
Its nice to know someone has my sence of humor, Sweetie......LOL ;;D Good luck with the car!!! |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Opus on Oct 19th, 2006, 12:50am Slow cranking on hot start can be caused by a few things. The starter can get hot while driving on improperly designed cars and will need to be changed. A new starter will work under the high heat for a few years. I don't think the hammer trick will help diagnose the problem but you can try.If the starter is too hot to touch after driving then that may tell you more. Be careful, exhaust pipes will burn you badly if touched and may be near the starter. Bad oil rings can cause the same symptoms. Usually the car will burn oil ( blue smoke) while it is running. This is not easy to fix. A bad electronic ignition module can some times malfunction when the car is shut off, and cause the spark to kick back against the pistons and make cranking the engine impossible. Paul |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Richr8 on Oct 19th, 2006, 1:50am on 10/18/06 at 16:45:24, Jonny wrote:
I don't care who you are, that right there is funny! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by BB on Oct 19th, 2006, 7:30am I just learnt something :) Two things can cause this 1- Loose ends of batteries cables so make sure you tighten them properly. 2- Starter motor worn down. The starter gear in the starter motor when heated up becomes "loose" and wont fit into the flex disc in the main motor properly to start the car. It will try to do so by "turning over" but wont start. Wait until the car is cooled down then it will fit properly into the flex disc when the ignition key is turned and the motor will start again. How zat for a doc ? ;;D Annette |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by clusterwife on Oct 19th, 2006, 10:07am Wash and vaccum it, mine runs better all gussied up! |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Ronny on Oct 19th, 2006, 4:27pm Just use a simple volt meter, when the engine is running, rev it to 2000-2500 rpm, then u should have about 14 volts, if not the alternator is bad. if u do have 14 volts, it could be the starter or the ignition switch (that doesnt happen so often but it happens) To check if battery is fully charged, check volts on a cold engine (not running), a 100% charged battery should give around 12.8 volts. |
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Title: Re: Anyone out here know anything about cars? Post by Ronny on Oct 19th, 2006, 4:29pm on 10/18/06 at 21:43:57, Jonny wrote:
Yep, that was one of the funiest adds ever. Hehe |
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