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(Message started by: Jonny on Oct 12th, 2006, 9:32pm)

Title: I have a simple question.....
Post by Jonny on Oct 12th, 2006, 9:32pm
This is mainly an American question, but I would love to hear from folks in other countries on this.....and maybe even how this works there.

Its a simple yes or no question, there should be NO room for discusion!

Here it is: If you vote in an election should you have to show a photo ID to prove you are a citizen?

Thats it....simple!

This should be interesting....what say you?

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by jimmers on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:12pm
A resounding YES!

Jimmers

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by cateyes on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:16pm
screaming a YES....


cateyes

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by FramCire on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:19pm
Well, this is a very difficult question (not really).  Although I could answer in 1 word, I choose to be a thorn in Jonny's paw and take up a whole paragrtaph going into the question.  Is there really any doubt the answer is yes.  Any citizen can get a state issued photo ID and you SHOULD need to have it to vote.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by alienspacebabe on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:23pm
Yes.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Sean_C on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:24pm
When you register at Town Hall don't you need to show one? I forget if they did that or not.

I know when I show up at my precinct to vote they just ask me my address. They have the rest of the info on hand.

My answer to the original question would obviously be yes.

Sean............................................

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:31pm
Yes, citizens only should vote.


Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Jonny on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:33pm
In Mass all you need is a utility bill with anyones name and address on it that lives in the state.

Nice huh?

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:36pm
In Oregon, they used to accept a utility bill or a rental agreement, but just stopped this year in 2006.  
You can get blank rental agreements at Office Max for christ sake.


Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by maffumatt on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:41pm
yes

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by unsolved1 on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:42pm
Everytime I have voted, I had to show valid ID first. Not sure why Mass doesn't do the same thing. You would think that it would be a universal procedure and shouldn't vary from state to state.

UNsolved

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:53pm
I know this is an American question but what the heck - one year for some reason, I got left off our voting list.  When I went to vote, I had to fill out a bloody ream of paper work and show two pieces of ID - one of which had to be photo.

I believe no matter where you live, you must be a citizen of that country to vote and should have to show some proof.

Sorry Jonny for the length of the response - short answer YES!

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Jonny on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:53pm
The Dem running for Governor here wants to give ALL illegals here drivers license.....WTF?

Can you say "Kennedy country?"

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Paul98 on Oct 12th, 2006, 10:59pm
YES

A citizen of the USA has the right to vote.  period!  Proof of citezenship (the cost, i.e. documentation in any form) should be given to the citizen at: birth in the USA, upon becoming a citizen or any legal means of attaining citizenship.)  You want to vote...Prove you have the right to vote!!!  Period!!!

-P.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by thebbz on Oct 12th, 2006, 11:02pm
[smiley=laugh.gif] So your not going for the latino vote?
;)
jb
and YES!!!!!!!

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Sean_C on Oct 12th, 2006, 11:04pm

on 10/12/06 at 22:33:49, Jonny wrote:
In Mass all you need is a utility bill with anyones name and address on it that lives in the state.

Nice huh?


Jonny I don't think the clerk at town hall where you register would do that, I could be wrong though.

What your telling me is if I go to any poll in your town with your utility bill, that I pulled out of your trash barrel while looking for cans, I could use it to go vote? How can that be? You got a link?

We're gonna have to change that if thats the truth.

Sean..................................

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Gator on Oct 12th, 2006, 11:05pm
YES

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Paul98 on Oct 12th, 2006, 11:14pm

on 10/12/06 at 23:04:33, Sean_C wrote:
Jonny I don't think the clerk at town hall where you register would do that, I could be wrong though.

What your telling me is if I go to any poll in your town with your utility bill, that I pulled out of your trash barrel while looking for cans, I could use it to go vote? How can that be? You got a link?

We're gonna have to change that if thats the truth.

Sean..................................


Sean,  This is becoming the standard.   It is the quest for the determining votes.  very bad!

-P.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by AussieBrian on Oct 12th, 2006, 11:16pm
Damn right.  I'd hate to think of someone using my vote in favour of Johnny Howard!

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Lizzie2 on Oct 12th, 2006, 11:19pm
Yes!

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Peppermint on Oct 12th, 2006, 11:43pm

on 10/12/06 at 23:02:12, thebbz wrote:
[smiley=laugh.gif] So your not going for the latino vote?
;)


::) not again...

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by BB on Oct 13th, 2006, 12:31am

Definitely yes .

But in Australia, we dont have photo id except for driver license and passport so many people dont have any photo id at all.

Annette

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Racer1_NC on Oct 13th, 2006, 12:40am
Yes.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by wildhaus on Oct 13th, 2006, 1:00am
In Switzerland you do not need a photo ID to vote in an election nor in a referendum.
should you have to show a photo ID to prove you are a citizen? only for Switzerland.... NO!!!!
by the way in Israel you do have to  show a photo ID to prove you are elagebel to vote.

Michael

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Batch on Oct 13th, 2006, 1:22am
Yes, I think a government photo ID like a Driver's License is a must to register and vote.  Try getting on a plane without one and watch what happens.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Charlie on Oct 13th, 2006, 1:57am
It's been so long since I registered that it's an automatic here in New York State. No doubt you can't initially register without a photo ID and some proof of residence...at least I hope that's true. They send new voter registration cards regularly when they tell me which polling station I am to use. Of course they know me there.....

A photo ID is fine today but if they ask for ID it must not have had a price tag or it is in effect, a poll tax.

Mine is from a Non-Drivers drivers license which is a freebee here.  

My guess is that the Massachusetts Governor candidate is talking about the same thing. Forms of drivers licenses are among the best forms of ID. Tons of information there and everyone seems to like it.

Charlie

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by The mad viking on Oct 13th, 2006, 4:52am
YES!

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by BarbaraD on Oct 13th, 2006, 5:13am
YES

In Texas ANYONE can get a driver's license, so ....

We have to register so many days before an election and then receive a "voting card" You take this and a picture ID to the voting polls and they check your "card" against their records, you show your ID and you get a ballot.

Not perfect, but better than nothing.

Hugs BD

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by burnt-toast on Oct 13th, 2006, 5:24am
Absolutely - proof of citizenship and legal residency wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Can't see how having to prove you are voting legally  infringes on anyone's right to vote or somehow makes it too difficult for so-called disadvantaged citizens to vote.

Tom        


Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by deltadarlin on Oct 13th, 2006, 6:32am
In Lousiana, you MUST have a photo id (and it doesn't matter how well they know you or not anymore, because you still have to show your id).

What amazes me about the whole matter, is that you have to show a photo id to cash a check or things like that, but you don't have to show one to vote?  Geez, no wonder so many dead people get to vote.

'darlin

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Charlotte on Oct 13th, 2006, 7:18am
In Stanislaus County, California, we have to show our ID to vote.

Charlotte

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 13th, 2006, 8:23am
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214757,00.html

WASHINGTON --  The House voted Wednesday to require Americans to show proof of citizenship in order to vote, and the Senate moved to build a 700-mile fence along the Mexican border as Republicans sharpened attacks on illegal immigration before the midterm elections.

The 228-196 House vote...

The bill would require everyone to present a photo ID before voting in federal elections by 2008. By 2010 voters would have to have photo IDs that certified they were citizens.

Also on Wednesday, a bipartisan task force recommended that Congress provide a path to legal status for immigrants who can demonstrate steady employment, knowledge of English and payment of taxes and who pass a background security check.

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Here (http://www.naco.org/CountyNewsTemplate.cfm?template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=21470) is an article in opposition to it on these grounds:

While the bill does allow states or counties to charge a fee for issuing the new ID card, any such fee is capped at the "reasonable cost." Recent court decisions suggest that even such fees might be overruled as a poll tax in violation of the 24th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

States are required to issue the cards, free of charge, to anyone who signs an affidavit stating that they cannot afford it. The federal government will not pay for the cost of issuing cards to all voters, but may reimburse states for this cost. There is no guarantee of funding, which would be subject to annual appropriations by Congress.

The letter pointed out that the Congressional Budget Office has determined that the bill creates an intergovernmental mandate with costs that far exceed the threshold in the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act. According to CBO's figures, states or counties would incur approximately $570 million in costs to issue new photo identification cards to all voters without a current U.S. Passport by 2010, of which a maximum of $70 million would be reimbursable by the federal government.

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Huge costs, maybe a designation by the IRS from tax returns could verify whether it is issued free to you or not, I don't know, an affidavit seems less accountable and many would attempt not paying, perhaps.  Anyway, the more of us that get passports, the less it would cost the states, it seems.

I vote Yes.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by vig on Oct 13th, 2006, 8:25am
Do you mean a birth certificate or a Social Security card wouldn't be good enough?

Oh, and Jonny, Ree, Don, Bethany, and the rest of you Mass'ers...  or Rhode Island'ers....

PLEASE vote the Kennedy's out...
enough is enough
(and I'm not a Republican)

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by andrewjb on Oct 13th, 2006, 8:32am
"yes". with responsabilty.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by catlind on Oct 13th, 2006, 9:14am
I beg to differ with you Jonny.  Yes I believe you should have to show photo ID to prove you are you, but photo ID doesn't guarantee citizenship.  If you are a registered voter then the INS should have your SSN and as long as your photo ID matches to you, that's about as far as I think you can take it without civil rights ramifications.  

I'm all for photo IDs, but it would be too difficult to get voters to the booths if they had to provide proof of citizenship on top of photo ID.

Edited to add:
Of course if you live near the Canadian/US border, you will be required to have a passport to enter either country, so that would take care of some of the people who only have birth certificates as citizenship.  I don't know how much passports are here, but I know the last one I had done for the kids and I cost $255 (Canadian).  Alex's green card had to be redone when he turned 14 so they could do 'biometrics' - fancy fingerprints, and that is at a cost of $185 + $70 biometric fee.  For us to apply for naturalization will cost $960 for the 3 of us.  That would be on top of the nearly $4000 we've already spent (without lawyers) to become permanent residents.  My point is that enforcing proof of citizenship at the polls would require a passport or a 'National ID Card' and of course those come with the expense of filing them, which would undoubtedly be as much as, or nearly as much as the INS fees and would result in lower voter turnouts.  

I personally believe the system should be set up so that when you register to vote, you prove citizenship at that time with birth certificate and photo IDs, and at the polls showing photo ID.

Cat

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 13th, 2006, 9:55am

on 10/13/06 at 09:14:19, catlind wrote:
but photo ID doesn't guarantee citizenship.  


Certainly Cat, a driver's lisence is not proof of citizenship, I saw Barb address that and a good reason for the photo ID cards being mandated for the future.  
 However, the administrative overload will probably extend the deadline, as it was for a year with passports.   For now, I agree, it would be difficult before that happens, and in the meantime, a picture would be a help but not a solution.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by thomas on Oct 13th, 2006, 10:11am
Yes.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Tiannia on Oct 13th, 2006, 10:41am
The short answer is yes.

In Clark County / Nevada
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Quote:
PRESENTATION OF IDENTIFICATION (first-time registrants only, per NRS 293.517)
If you are a first-time registrant who has not yet voted in Clark County, you must show one of the I.D.'s listed below if you are registering in person, or include a copy of the I.D. with your Application if you are registering by mail.  If you do not, you will need to present this I.D. when you vote in person or by mail:


Nevada Driver's License (current and valid)


Nevada I.D. Card (current and valid)


Only if you do not have one of the above, your Social Security Card


If you have none of the above, call the Election Department for instructions.


----------------------------------------------------------------------


no Vote here you have to be a citized. I know that when you get a Drivers license or State ID card that they automatically ask you if you want to reg to vote.   But I dont remmeber how to prove that.  


Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Mark C on Oct 13th, 2006, 11:13am
 http://www.freephotopost.com/uploads/ab72016e31.jpg

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by brewcrew on Oct 13th, 2006, 11:17am

on 10/13/06 at 09:14:19, catlind wrote:
Of course if you live near the Canadian/US border, you will be required to have a passport to enter either country, so that would take care of some of the people who only have birth certificates as citizenship.

I've been across the US/Canadian border a number of times. No passport required. Were you just writing in the hypothetical?

Jonny - A definitive "yes." In Wisconsin we are not required to show any form of ID at the polls. We're hoping for a law requiring photo ID at the polls, but the ones who benefit from voter fraud have so far been successful in keeping it off the books.

When I enter the polling place I always provide my driver's license. Most of the nice, old folks there tell me I don't need it. I tell them, "I'm just practicing for when I will."

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by imnotbub on Oct 13th, 2006, 11:18am
Here in NJ, at least in the area I live, I don't have to show anything. I walk in, state my name, and Methusela opens the book to my name and tells me to sign.

Yes, you should have to prove you are a citizen, and you should have to prove you are who you say you are.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by JeffB on Oct 13th, 2006, 11:28am
Yes.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Pinkfloyd on Oct 13th, 2006, 12:24pm
No
I would prefer an intelligence test.

Will this one work?
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/psiloscribe/burkha1.jpg

or will there be rules about the picture?

Does it need to be a current one?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/psiloscribe/MJ1.jpg

or can it be between plastic surgeries?  ;;D

Bobw

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Mattrf on Oct 13th, 2006, 12:42pm
Yes.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 13th, 2006, 1:09pm

on 10/13/06 at 11:17:33, brewcrew wrote:
I've been across the US/Canadian border a number of times. No passport required. Were you just writing in the hypothetical?



This from Oct. 6th, the "land" part was suppose to take effect next year but was extended.



Quote:
There was a new law passed on Friday extending the date for mandatory passports to June 1, 2009; however, this is ONLY for passengers on cruises or visiting Canada or Mexico by land.  

Nothing has changed for US/CA citizens traveling to/from Mexico or the Caribbean by air--they still must carry passports starting January 8, 2007.



Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by LeLimey on Oct 13th, 2006, 1:14pm
I'm Kevin, fly me  :P

Hijack over, I think yes. For all countries.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 13th, 2006, 1:21pm

on 10/13/06 at 13:14:57, LeLimey wrote:
I think yes. For all countries.



Correct Helen.  I got that from an airline website which doesn't go a "broad" to places like Limeyland.    :-*




Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by LeLimey on Oct 13th, 2006, 1:31pm
Grrrr.. I meant yes to Jonny's question you obnoxious brat!  :P

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 13th, 2006, 1:46pm

on 10/13/06 at 13:31:12, LeLimey wrote:
Grrrr.. I meant yes to Jonny's question you obnoxious brat!  :P




You mean this question?


on 10/12/06 at 21:32:55, Jonny wrote:
This should be interesting....what say you?



on 10/13/06 at 13:14:57, LeLimey wrote:
I think yes. For all countries.



I don't know if all countries would find it interesting.  They may not vote in North Korea.

:P           ;)




Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Charlie on Oct 13th, 2006, 5:00pm
This thread reminded me that our stunningly incompetent Homeland Security Department wants to make it so that it will require hundreds of dollars worth of passports for every family member (they're around $100 each the last time I looked) so as to kill as much tourism and cross-border business as possible.....not to mention that if you want to take your four children over to the Canadian Falls...which is where everybody wants to go. (You never see pictures of the American Falls in travelogues ) It will likely be cost-prohibitive. We in this area had our hopes up for a few weeks as they were working on some kind of cheaper system. That made too much sense and they try to recoup tax cuts with exhorbitant passport and other document fees. They have skyrocketed.

I'd hate to try to win an election in "Talkin'g Proud" Buffalo and adjacent Niagara Falls by voting for this thing. It will keep out only tourists and shoppers. It's not going to bother people that want to blow up stuff.

Sorry; this is my thing.  http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/remote.gif

Charlie

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Sean_C on Oct 13th, 2006, 9:09pm
LMAO Bob!!!! ;;D

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Barry_T_Coles on Oct 13th, 2006, 10:11pm
Yes
In Oz it’s compulsory to vote, it’s also compulsory to register to vote.
Don’t vote, Get fined.
Don’t register, get fined.
Once you register to vote you are put on an electoral roll and to vote you have to be signed off; to do this you need to know your full address and date of birth.
Also if you are in jail (goal) you are not allowed to vote and untill such time as you become an Australian citizen you are not able to vote.
Barry

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Oct 13th, 2006, 11:11pm
When I drop my votes/ballots into a mailbox, or directly into the letter box at town hall, nobody bothers about my identity.

And we are still going strong since 1291.

ASG                  [smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Sean_C on Oct 13th, 2006, 11:17pm
Thats because you know them all Ueli LOL ;;D

Hope all is well my brother ;;D

Sean................................

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by catlind on Oct 14th, 2006, 12:49am

on 10/13/06 at 11:17:33, brewcrew wrote:
I've been across the US/Canadian border a number of times. No passport required. Were you just writing in the hypothetical?


Brew, no it is not hypothetical.  They are phasing in the requirement for a passport at the border over the next 2 years.  I am not sure if it's needed on the US side or not, but every Canadian will need one to enter the US.  My understanding from my Mom (I am Canadian, and Mom still lives in Canada) was that both the US and Canada were going to require passports to enter the respective countries

Here are some links:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/04/05/passports050405.html

http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/regional/regional_1170.html


Quote:
The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 requires that, by January 1, 2008...


That is the name of the act that will require passport or citizenship documents for entry.

Just google US/Canada border passports and you will get dozens more links.

Cat

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Tim_w on Oct 14th, 2006, 9:41am
YES!!!!

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by alchemy on Oct 14th, 2006, 10:55am
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Sandy_C on Oct 14th, 2006, 3:27pm
Absolutely YES!  

I have no problem whatsoever with having to prove that I am a registered voter if that means keeping illegal aliens from casting ballots.

As a side note, when I moved from Ohio to NC in 1984, I remember how astounded I was when I went to registger to vote.  I was asked only for my name, address, show a utility bill, and .....place my right hand on a bible and swear I was telling the truth! I have no problem with that because I was raised going to church every Sunday and bible school, church choirs - the whole nine yards.  But, what if I had been of another religion that didn't believe in the Bible?  Budhist, Hindu, or even not believing in religion at all?  What the hell good did it would it do to swear on a bible if you didn't believe in it?  Made no sense to me at all.

Sandy

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by shelbysue on Oct 14th, 2006, 4:06pm
ummmmmm.......yes ofcourse!!!!!!! :)

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by clusterwife on Oct 14th, 2006, 9:12pm
Oh yes!  I always show ID

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Sean_C on Oct 14th, 2006, 9:21pm

on 10/14/06 at 21:12:50, clusterwife wrote:
Oh yes!  I always show ID


Why is it I don't have to show my ID at the polls, but have to when I buy a pack of smokes?

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Lizzie2 on Oct 14th, 2006, 10:12pm

on 10/13/06 at 22:11:09, Barry_T_Coles wrote:
Yes
In Oz it’s compulsory to vote, it’s also compulsory to register to vote.
Don’t vote, Get fined.
Don’t register, get fined.
Once you register to vote you are put on an electoral roll and to vote you have to be signed off; to do this you need to know your full address and date of birth.
Also if you are in jail (goal) you are not allowed to vote and untill such time as you become an Australian citizen you are not able to vote.
Barry


Wow...that would work better to get improved voter turn-out in the US, but I'm sure too many would be upset about government involvement and fines for not voting or not registering to vote.  But I believe that if you live in this country, are a citizen of this country, then it is your civic duty to vote!

I just got my passport in August, and I'd never had one before.  For those speculating about cost, here's the link to the fees for US passports:  http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/fees/fees_837.html

And this is part of what that says for those who don't want to click on the link:

Quote:
Passport Fees


March 8, 2005

Routine Services (Form DS-11)
Non-Refundable

Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $67. The execution fee is $30. The total is $97 .

Under Age 16: The passport application fee is $52. The execution fee is $30. The total is $82 .

The passport application fee includes the $12.00 Security Surcharge, which became effective March 8, 2005.


So it was $97 for me to get my passport...and I could have paid more if I wanted it expedited, but they said I would get it in time, so I didn't do that.

I noticed in England that pretty much every person had a passport.  At least, this was just from discussion I heard.  Helen or other Brits may be able to correct me on this.  I know it came up when I went to exchange currency.  I had to have my passport to exchange US dollars into GBP.  By the time Matt and crew came over, they didn't originally bring their passports the first time we left for London (I say the first time because we went back to get them and my camera card), and I said well why can't we just use our US Driver's license because that's as official as it gets.  And it's not like we were trying to go anywhere - just exchange our own money.  Helen said because over there, they don't recognize all the various State ID cards we have - no matter how official, they wouldn't be able to distinguish real from fake.  Good point...

If they go so far as to mandate passports, which would prove citizenship, then they'd have to reduce the fee or provide them for no cost - not just for some, but for all.  I do'nt think it's fair to just say that some people don't have to pay.  It was expensive for me to get mine, but I probably wouldn't qualify for any kind of government assistance when buying it!

When I went to vote in Chester County, they had a list with all registered voters and their addresses.  Honestly, I can't recall if I had to show an ID the last time I went.  However, I should think this list should have to be gone through to make sure that all registered voters are US citizens.  This wouldn't help for those who impersonate someone else, but it would at least make sure that all registered are citizens.

Cat makes a good point in that making proof of citizenship a requirement on top of everything else may make voter turnout even lower, and it's already pretty poor...

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Ree on Oct 14th, 2006, 11:03pm
yup

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by kissmyglass on Oct 14th, 2006, 11:27pm
my dog has a passport & I don't  :(   Little shit has been to 4 countries and he just turned one.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Lizzie2 on Oct 15th, 2006, 12:53am

on 10/14/06 at 23:27:06, kissmyglass wrote:
my dog has a passport & I don't  :(   Little shit has been to 4 countries and he just turned one.



OK - details, please!! :)

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by brewcrew on Oct 15th, 2006, 9:03am

on 10/14/06 at 00:49:34, catlind wrote:
Brew, no it is not hypothetical.  They are phasing in the requirement for a passport at the border over the next 2 years.  I am not sure if it's needed on the US side or not, but every Canadian will need one to enter the US.  My understanding from my Mom (I am Canadian, and Mom still lives in Canada) was that both the US and Canada were going to require passports to enter the respective countries

Here are some links:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/04/05/passports050405.html

http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/regional/regional_1170.html



That is the name of the act that will require passport or citizenship documents for entry.

Just google US/Canada border passports and you will get dozens more links.

Cat

Well, Cat, I learn something new every day. I did not know this. Thanks for the info! I guess I'll live out the rest of my boring life in my basement where I won't need any further documentation! ;;D

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by brewcrew on Oct 15th, 2006, 9:07am

on 10/14/06 at 15:27:54, Sandy_C wrote:
Absolutely YES!  

I have no problem whatsoever with having to prove that I am a registered voter if that means keeping illegal aliens from casting ballots.

Not to mention the scores of people who have no problem hopping from ward to ward, city to city, casting multiple votes for their favorite candidate (or the one the van driver told them to vote for). ;)

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Sean_C on Oct 15th, 2006, 9:11am

on 10/15/06 at 09:07:28, brewcrew wrote:
Not to mention the scores of people who have no problem hopping from ward to ward, city to city, casting multiple votes for their favorite candidate (or the one the van driver told them to vote for). ;)


Exactly ;)

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Tata on Oct 15th, 2006, 9:23am
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Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by deltadarlin on Oct 15th, 2006, 9:42am

on 10/15/06 at 09:07:28, brewcrew wrote:
Not to mention the scores of people who have no problem hopping from ward to ward, city to city, casting multiple votes for their favorite candidate (or the one the van driver told them to vote for). ;)



And all the dead people who vote.  Louisiana is not the only state that has that problem.  I do believe Missouri had BIG problems with purging their voter rolls.  

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Charlie on Oct 15th, 2006, 11:54am
I think that it was in Illinois some years ago, were they found that the votes wre recorded alphabetically. In Texas, votes came off gravestones for some elections.

Tsk Tsk.

Charlie

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by kissmyglass on Oct 15th, 2006, 12:30pm

on 10/15/06 at 00:53:16, Lizzie2 wrote:
OK - details, please!! :)


I bought my pup in Hungary where he was born, he stopped in Germany on his way over, He lives here in the USA and last week he went to Canada to see Rickyshot  ;;D

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by echo on Oct 16th, 2006, 12:19pm
YES!

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Summerbabe on Oct 17th, 2006, 4:42pm
YES INDEED ;)

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by mawmaw on Oct 17th, 2006, 4:54pm

YES ;;D















Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Mosaicwench on Oct 17th, 2006, 7:29pm
Yes, yes, and again, yes.

In Wisconsin you need more paperwork to sign up your kids for Little League than you have to provide to vote.

Unbelievable.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by Carl_D on Oct 18th, 2006, 12:25am
Yes.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by maffumatt on Oct 18th, 2006, 7:58am
Funny how a simple question makes for a 4 page thread. Good question however.

Title: Re: I have a simple question.....
Post by floridian on Oct 18th, 2006, 12:42pm
No.  Photo-IDs are so 1980ish.   I think we should all carry national IDs with us at all times - as embedded microchips.

Not only would the paramedics immediately know who the bloody, incoherent person at an accident scene is, they would know that persons blood type and medical history.  

Employers could immediately verify eligibility of people applying for jobs.

We wouldn't have to carry our season pass to Disney - the scanner would know who we are and let us in with a personalized greeting.





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