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(Message started by: lilboo on Sep 20^th, 2006, 11:30pm)

Title: School Stabbings
Post by lilboo on Sep 20^th, 2006, 11:30pm

Hi,
Today there were two boys stabbed at my sons school, it happened right ouside of his classroom door, he said there was alot alot of blood.
He called me at work on a friends cell phone to tell me what was going on, he was talking quite because the students were told not to use any phones, I'm glad he called me, most of the parents didn't know if their kids were ok or not.
I'm leary on sending him back there tomorrow.
School sure isn't like it used to be.

Here's a link for the story and video's:

http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_263134945.html

Title: Re: School Stabbings
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 20^th, 2006, 11:37pm

Jesus H Christ. I dont even know what to say. That is some scarry stuff.
Glad he is ok.
WTF is the world coming to?
B$

Title: Re: School Stabbings
Post by Carl_D on Sep 23^rd, 2006, 2:38am

It just freaks me out how much things have changed since I was in school. It's like kids today have no conscience, and feel the need to lash out if things don't go their way.

I'm sorry to say but, my old man was abusive. However, we learned consequence - something alot of kids today do not understand.

I think that the fine line between 'punishment' and 'abusive' has been mired the past couple of decades, and now if a child gets a spanking, they can claim abuse. Also, corporal punishment was eliminated from schools. I think these are all contributing factors. Kids today don't understand there is a price to pay or consequences to their actions.

That's just my take on it. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Except we now live by the Patti Smith aesthetic, "Spare the child and spoil the rod."
Some kids don't understand the value of life. That is why it is so easy for them to take their own or someone else's.

Peace,
Carl D

*I have to add. Robin Williams did a routine on the difference between british and US police. British police don't carry guns. So if a cop here yells "Stop or I'll shoot" you can see the obvious danger there. However, if a british cops yells at you "Stop! Or I'll say stop again." Where's the threat in that? Where is the consequence.

Title: Re: School Stabbings
Post by Yorky on Sep 23^rd, 2006, 3:22am

think that the fine line between 'punishment' and 'abusive' has been mired the past couple of decades, and now if a child gets a spanking, they can claim abuse. Also, corporal punishment was eliminated from schools. I think these are all contributing factors. Kids today don't understand there is a price to pay or consequences to their actions.

totally agree 100% the thought of getting the cain(thank you sir)seemed to keep me in line.

Title: Re: School Stabbings
Post by BarbaraD on Sep 23^rd, 2006, 7:37am

It all goes back to the parents. School has become a babysitter. Kids are not required to show respect to the teachers or anyone else.

Yes, some kids are abused at home. The abusers should be punished. BUT, giving a kid a spanking does NOT constitute abuse. It just gets their attention for the "abusive" lecture that's coming behind the spanking.

I'm sorry Lil, but the school should have called the parents immediately to come get their kids. Your son was right to call you and let you know what was going on. And you are right - school isn't what it used to be. Lord! My parents knew what I'd done BEFORE I got home in the afternoons!

Parents need to start going to school board meetings and "speaking" up. If a kid has a problem, the parents need to be notified. If they don't show up for the meeting - then expel the child until they do. But it's time parents took some responsibility.

I love kids better than people, but they need to figure out that they're the KIDS and they have certain standards that they must follow.

Hugs BD

Title: Re: School Stabbings
Post by Melissa on Sep 23^rd, 2006, 8:54am

on 09/23/06 at 07:37:17, BarbaraD wrote:

It all goes back to the parents.

Exactly!!!!

I'm very sorry to hear this lilboo. I'm not sure how I would handle it if it happened at my daughters school. :-/

Title: Re: School Stabbings
Post by burnt-toast on Sep 23^rd, 2006, 10:26am

Principals, values, responsibility, respect and integrity are taught in the home. The best was to reach a young mind and enforce the fact that there are consequences for actions is often an immediate swat or three for inappropriate behaviors.

But a good swat only gets their attention for a short time.

In between parents must adhere to the values and principals they are enforcing, with their own actions. Behavior patterns are influenced most by what we witness as we grow. Integrity is learned by children who witness their parents doing the right things even when no one else is looking.

Do as I say - not as I do, teaches children that rules, responsibility, values and respect are just superficial concepts that can be ignored when it suits you. Punishment has no value if it isn't consistently re-inforced by the actions of those delivering it.

Tom

Title: Re: School Stabbings
Post by nani on Sep 23^rd, 2006, 11:16am

Wow, you've got a smart and considerate kid. I'm sure the waiting and not knowing was the worst for the other parents.
When a school goes on "lock down", it means no one in or out, except police. In the case of a crime, it gives them time to gather evidence and round up witnesses. They can't let hundreds of kids just leave, for that reason. I think the school should have a responsibility to notify parents that their kids are OK, though.
I can't imagine how horrifying it would be to not know if my kid was OK under these circumstances.
The issue should go to the next school board meeting. A policy for handling these things is in order.

Title: Re: School Stabbings
Post by lilboo on Sep 23^rd, 2006, 9:41pm

Thank god I have a good kid, the only thing I'm always on him about is his pants - he wears them to low, I hope it's a phase he outgrows real soon.
They still don't know who did the stabbings and the victims aren't talking, rumor has it that one of them is a student there.
I don't know what's wrong with these kids nowadays they are so violent, what ever happened to fighting with fists, they always have some kind of weapon now, be it a knife, bat or gun, it's like they're on a mission to kill and then no one wants to speak up out of fear that the'll be the next target.
I don't think kids are born bad, they learn to be that way with a lack of love and support, little or no supervision and they have no clue as to what punishment is anymore, I used to think the video games had nothing to do with it, the violet behaviors and such, but now I'm thinking maybe it does, it's like they have become immune to having any feelings, it's all just a game to them.

Title: Re: School Stabbings
Post by Carl_D on Sep 24^th, 2006, 9:47am

on 09/23/06 at 21:41:23, lilboo wrote:

Damn,
If it was a gang involved stabbing, that is why the kids aren;t talking. They know even if they send someone up, the gang will send someone else to 'finish them' so to speak. I do think alot of kids lack the nurturing needed and it sears their conscience. However, some kids do get raised right by their parents but go wrong along with their peers.

I hope they find out who did it... for all the parents peace of mind.

Peace,
Carl