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(Message started by: wildhaus on Aug 24^th, 2006, 1:45pm)

Title: Racism and or bigotry
Post by wildhaus on Aug 24^th, 2006, 1:45pm

Racism and or bigotry

After a lot of thought I am posting this thought!!!!

I am NOT writing about the problems within the USA with the Latin / Central America originating ethnic groups nor about the African Americans…. and what ever other ethnic groups!

It’s about a global problem……. mixing Anti-Semitism with anti Israeli paroles…..
Israel is a country / state like any other country / state on this globe…. and what more, it is
a very democratic country…… surrounded by totalitarian…. patriacalic…. at time (for western norms) Barbaric regimes….. whether I agree with the Israeli politics or not or with there doing is NOT the point!

Disagreement or despising the deeds of the Israeli State / Nation and its government should not be mixed with or being used to promote or as an excuse for anti-Semitism and bigotry….
toward the Jewish Diasporas, Unfortunately groups / organizations / Individuals do mix anti Israeli opinions with Anti-Semitism

Racism and bigotry toward any ethnical group is beyond wrong, it’s criminal and hateful toward
the human race…….

PLEASE DO NOT MIX POLITICS WITH RACISM AND BIGOTRY….. WE WHO KNOW PAIN…… SHOULD NOT HURT OTHERS BLINDLY (the way the beast does to us)….. JUST FOR BEING OF A DIFFERENT ETHNICAL GROUP….
I am writing this after I was reading a few posts….. that could be and are close if not more
of being anti-Semitic…. and that is not only not acceptable….. IT HURTS…..

"I detest racialism, because I regard it as a barbaric thing" Nelson Mandela

and this web-site was created by the honourable DJ and supported by his lovely wife not to hurt
but in order to help…. and give our “family” members a place to vent!
Do correct me if I am wrong…… Bigotry and anti-Semitism I cannot tolerate!
But as I am the new one in the family….. then it is me that has to take (and live) with the consequences…… as much as it hurts……

Michael

P.S
PLEAS DO NOT TUREN THIS INTO A MUD FIGHT…….

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by JeffB on Aug 24^th, 2006, 2:25pm

I don't care if someones purple, just don't blow our stuff up.

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by Tom K on Aug 24^th, 2006, 4:49pm

on 08/24/06 at 14:25:17, JeffB wrote:

I don't care if someones purple, just don't blow our stuff up.

X 2 Million!!!

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by brewcrew on Aug 24^th, 2006, 5:15pm

I'm extremely bigoted - against idiots.

When it comes to idiots, I don't want anything to do with 'em. They can stay on their own side of the tracks.

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by JeffB on Aug 24^th, 2006, 5:18pm

It's the Zwibbs that are responsible for all the wars in the world.
;;D

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by Jonny on Aug 24^th, 2006, 5:43pm

on 08/24/06 at 17:15:17, brewcrew wrote:

I'm extremely bigoted - against idiots.

When it comes to idiots, I don't want anything to do with 'em. They can stay on their own side of the tracks.

Thanks pal!....and here I thought you were my friend :'(

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by brewcrew on Aug 24^th, 2006, 7:52pm

on 08/24/06 at 17:43:53, Jonny wrote:

Thanks pal!....and here I thought you were my friend :'(

You're not an idiot, Jonny. You're just a little slow. That's why I've taken you under my wing. ;)

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Aug 24^th, 2006, 8:14pm

on 08/24/06 at 19:52:14, brewcrew wrote:

You're not an idiot, Jonny. You're just a little slow. That's why I've taken you under my wing. ;)

Dear God - Brewcrew has a death wish! ;;D

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by Jonny on Aug 24^th, 2006, 8:16pm

on 08/24/06 at 20:14:18, Grandma_Sweet_Boy wrote:

Dear God - Brewcrew has a death wish! ;;D

Shhhh, it only gets me closer to pushing the shiv between his ribs ;;D

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by brewcrew on Aug 24^th, 2006, 8:18pm

on 08/24/06 at 20:16:35, Jonny wrote:

Shhhh, it only gets me closer to pushing the shiv between his ribs ;;D

I love ya, brutha! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Aug 24^th, 2006, 9:24pm

That's better - you boys play nice. Don't make me smack your heads together! ;;D

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by kimmiedawn81 on Aug 24^th, 2006, 9:40pm

on 08/24/06 at 14:25:17, JeffB wrote:

I don't care if someones purple, just don't blow our stuff up.

That's what I'm sayin'!

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by thomas on Aug 25^th, 2006, 10:08am

Racism is grounded in ignorance and fear. And calling some one a racist because they wish to protect their way of life is sheer foolishness. Racism would not be such a problem in our country if the politicians would quit playing the race card at every turn. I don't care what color your skin is, or who your God is, if you are a shit-bag, I will call you a shit-bag.

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by nani on Aug 25^th, 2006, 10:11am

on 08/25/06 at 10:08:25, thomas wrote:

Racism would not be such a problem in our country if the politicians would quit playing the race card at every turn.

Coming from "this" side of the race issue, I would say that that's a naive assumption. Racism runs deep and rampant in this society. And yes... even here.

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by brewcrew on Aug 25^th, 2006, 10:18am

on 08/25/06 at 10:11:45, nani wrote:

Coming from "this" side of the race issue, I would say that that's a naive assumption. Racism runs deep and rampant in this society. And yes... even here.

I would say the answer is somewhere in between. I don't think people are naturally racist. They are taught to be so, and part of that fire is fueled by politicians stoking the fire with the race card. Most of it comes from parents. Those people in whom it runs deep learned it at home, from a very young age. But I'm not qualified to comment on how wide-spread it is. Are a majority of Americans racist? I don't know.

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by nani on Aug 25^th, 2006, 10:23am

Very true, Bill. I did a research paper on racism in college. First and foremost, it comes from our parents. Racism can be subtle and not so obvious, though. Not all racists are cross burning KKK types...
... a whole lot of racists consider themselves NOT racist, based solely on that kind of behavior.

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by thomas on Aug 25^th, 2006, 10:33am

on 08/25/06 at 10:11:45, nani wrote:

Coming from "this" side of the race issue, I would say that that's a naive assumption. Racism runs deep and rampant in this society. And yes... even here.

Because we have so much ignorance in this country.

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by thomas on Aug 25^th, 2006, 10:35am

on 08/25/06 at 10:18:31, brewcrew wrote:

I would say the answer is somewhere in between. I don't think people are naturally racist. They are taught to be so, and part of that fire is fueled by politicians stoking the fire with the race card. Most of it comes from parents. Those people in whom it runs deep learned it at home, from a very young age. But I'm not qualified to comment on how wide-spread it is. Are a majority of Americans racist? I don't know.

Exactly. Look at small children in pre-school, they don't care about color, they play with each other because they are all kids. People learn to be racists. I should know I am a recovering bigot. ;)

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by georgej on Aug 25^th, 2006, 11:22am

I usually stay away from these kinds of things, but...

There is no biological justification for dividing people into "races", and no possible pseudoscientific basis for racism. Genetically, we are remarkably similar. All of us. We're more closely related to one another than is the case with almost any other critter that can be named. Cheetahs, maybe, are an exception--and pandas.

There is more genetic variation within a single troop of chimpanzees in central Africa than there is among the entire human race. It's remarkable, and we're just beginning to understand why that might be. Most of the physical differences between groups of people are incredibly superficial, and have developed over very short periods of time.

So if there is no biological basis for racism, it follows that the differences that divide us and drive us to kill one another are societal, religious, and cultural. Perhaps one day we can work our way through those--I don't think that would be possible if we were of different "races", or even more, if we were of different species.

If we can just get it through our thick skulls that we are all one people--the only people there are--perhaps we'll finally have the chance to grow up.

Just my view, FWIW. I'll say nothing more about it.

Regards,

George

Title: Re: Racism and or bigotry
Post by Kevin_M on Aug 25^th, 2006, 2:51pm

George, just to add to your post, which reflects the findings of Richard Lewontin in 1972 from measuring the properties of proteins and computing a standard measure of variation known Wright's fixation or F_st, invented by Sewall Wright, one of the three founders of population genetics. This position was adopted by the American Sociological Asso. and American Anthropological Asso. as well as most biologists. Race remains of no scientific interest.
Biology will acknowledge that different courses have been taken by diverging populations throughout the past history of man and they have adapted independently to different environments, evolving along independent paths while genes are in flux. In medicine, it has been found that people of different continental origin may differ in their response to drugs.
The heart drug enalapril can hospitalize a patient of one continental ancestry and have no effect on another. In another case, Dr. Jay N. Cohn at U of MN gave a trial of BiDil to a general population and it appeared to not have any particular effectiveness at first. On further analysis it seemed to have done well within a subset of the population. In a new trial on that subset alone, BiDil worked so well that the trial had to be stopped in order that the drug could be offered to the patients in the comparison group not receiving it.
BiDil would have never been discovered if one subset of patients had not been analyzed, leading to the discovery of an important drug for an underserved community. In this way, genetics is explored, so far using short tandem repeats of filler material in DNA lying close to genes using 100 random sites known as Ancestry Informative Markers.
Using this method, DNAPrint Genomics was employed in a 2003 police inquiry for correctly identifying the continent of origin of a serial killer when they thought otherwise but reliability has not been established.