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(Message started by: maffumatt on Aug 21st, 2006, 7:05pm)
Title: WHY
Post by maffumatt on Aug 21st, 2006, 7:05pm
are we giving Lebanon 1/4 Billion Dollars????????????
Bush has lost his freaking mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WHY
Post by Mrs Deej on Aug 21st, 2006, 7:08pm

on 08/21/06 at 19:05:14, maffumatt wrote:
are we giving Lebanon 1/4 Billion Dollars????????????

Don't we have a National Debt?!  :-X

...don't get me started!!

:-/
Steph
Title: Re: WHY
Post by TomM on Aug 21st, 2006, 7:16pm

on 08/21/06 at 19:05:14, maffumatt wrote:
Bush has lost his freaking mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gotta have a mind [brain?] to loose, first.
Title: Re: WHY
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Aug 21st, 2006, 7:21pm
Only 1 Billion dollars was given for corporate and personal victims of the Gulf Coast hurricanes......and they havent even paid that yet.  
Its been a year.

Here's and idea:  When it comes to US dealings, put US citizens first.


on 08/21/06 at 19:05:14, maffumatt wrote:
Bush has lost his freaking mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are givin him too much credit, Bro.


B$
Title: willRe: WHY
Post by Ree on Aug 21st, 2006, 7:22pm
He wants to completely make us broke so that we will remember him... Even 3 year olds like negative attention when they don't get the other kind.....

ree the toddler teacher
Title: Re: WHY
Post by Mrs Deej on Aug 21st, 2006, 7:25pm

on 08/21/06 at 19:21:09, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
When it comes to US dealings, put US citizens first.

THANK YOU!!!!

Not to be too selffish, but seriously, WE are the ones that make this country what it is!
Title: Re: WHY
Post by vig on Aug 21st, 2006, 7:44pm
He is loyal to his party, his donors, and his friends, the rest of us can go take a flying leap.
Title: Re: WHY
Post by purpleydog on Aug 21st, 2006, 8:20pm
Interesting, but I had a conversation with a fellow clusterhead in Milwaukee (not from the USA) about the fact that the US is always involved and giving money away to other countries, and how it goes to waste, never getting to it's intended destination for whatever reason, warlords, thieves, bribes, etc., and we can't even help our own people.

Now why is that? Why do our people have to live in poverty, and can't get/ afford any medical care? Can't afford to feed our own children? Why is that? (Don't get me started.)
Title: Re: WHY
Post by imnotbub on Aug 21st, 2006, 11:06pm
OK Bush guys, defend that move, when there are people in N O that are still without esentials.

Starting to be embarrased I'm a Republican
Steve
Title: Re: WHY
Post by rickyshot on Aug 21st, 2006, 11:10pm

on 08/21/06 at 20:20:14, purpleydog wrote:
Interesting, but I had a conversation with a fellow clusterhead in Milwaukee (not from the USA) about the fact that the US is always involved and giving money away to other countries, and how it goes to waste, never getting to it's intended destination for whatever reason, warlords, thieves, bribes, etc., and we can't even help our own people.

Now why is that? Why do our people have to live in poverty, and can't get/ afford any medical care? Can't afford to feed our own children? Why is that? (Don't get me started.)


I HEAR you. I hate poliTRICkS
Title: Re: WHY
Post by The mad viking on Aug 22nd, 2006, 1:15am
This whole tragic story can adds up to ONE thing if you read the history.

The victorious nations did one ONE horrible mistake back in 1948 when they did create the state of Israel

They did forget about the Palestinia

And if you are able to see how the world have treated the palestinians since that date you might be able to see things differently


Just my 2 cents worth


Svenn
Title: Re: WHY
Post by chopmyheadoff on Aug 22nd, 2006, 4:46am
that bush guy wants to give his head a wobble.

he's a bad influance on our tony blair !! (not that he needs one)
Title: Re: WHY
Post by Fredmyyster on Aug 22nd, 2006, 5:28am
Its just a horse and pony show, nothing more.
Title: Re: WHY
Post by BarbaraD on Aug 22nd, 2006, 5:28am
his favorite line:  "It's good for the America People!"  ::)

I think they should run a MRI on King George -- might find something missing!

Hugs BD
Title: Re: WHY
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Aug 22nd, 2006, 6:46am
The best buddies of the US have destroyed power stations, bridges, water works, roads, have made thousands of people homeless, have killed hundreds of children and women - all on the pretence of killing some Hezbollah fighters.
The 1/4 Billion Dollars are nothing more than a feeble attempt to make amends for the atrocities caused by their protégés.

In the past 30 years the US has vetoed 34 UN resolutions that criticize Israel and seek to restrain its behavior.

Don't you think we should look at this as a major contribution towards the growth of Islamic terror organisations?

Just a view from a larger distance,
ASG    [smiley=smokin.gif]
Title: Re: WHY
Post by Paul98 on Aug 22nd, 2006, 8:47am

on 08/22/06 at 01:15:31, The mad viking wrote:
This whole tragic story can adds up to ONE thing if you read the history.

The victorious nations did one ONE horrible mistake back in 1948 when they did create the state of Israel

They did forget about the Palestinia

And if you are able to see how the world have treated the palestinians since that date you might be able to see things differently


Just my 2 cents worth


Svenn


As I said in another post, WW2 changed many, many things in the Mid East.  Europe's fingers were on the redrawing of boarders as much, if not more than the USA.

WW2 was a catalist for the USA to go from a mostly rural society to an energy dependant one.  We used the oil and were able to convert it to fertilizer, pesticides and became the world leader in food production.  We still feed much of the world.  People seem to forget that.

-P.
Title: Re: WHY
Post by wildhaus on Aug 22nd, 2006, 1:36pm
AS AN ISRAELI BORN AND JEWISH I WILL REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING
Title: Re: WHY
Post by maffumatt on Aug 22nd, 2006, 2:00pm

on 08/22/06 at 06:46:37, AlienSpaceGuy wrote:
The best buddies of the US have destroyed power stations, bridges, water works, roads, have made thousands of people homeless, have killed hundreds of children and women - all on the pretence of killing some Hezbollah fighters.
The 1/4 Billion Dollars are nothing more than a feeble attempt to make amends for the atrocities caused by their protégés.

In the past 30 years the US has vetoed 34 UN resolutions that criticize Israel and seek to restrain its behavior.

Don't you think we should look at this as a major contribution towards the growth of Islamic terror organisations?

Just a view from a larger distance,
ASG    [smiley=smokin.gif]

The best budies of the US reacted to an act of war, to bad the Hezbo fighters have to hide behind women and childred, otherwise they wouldn't have been killed, they should have left the area when Isreal told them too. BTW who are you normaly on the board, to where you have to hide behind a psudoname? Afraid to let your real views to be seen ?

Title: Re: WHY
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Aug 22nd, 2006, 4:46pm
Hey hey Newbie, come down from your tall horse. Don't ask questions if you're afraid of the answers. Or do you just expect everybody to kiss your ass? Is "maffumatt" recorded in the registry office or is it just a pseudonym? At least I give an e-mail address.
ASG   [smiley=smokin.gif]


BTW, would you care to comment on some of the 34 vetoes?
Title: Re: WHY
Post by maffumatt on Aug 22nd, 2006, 5:00pm
There were 39 not 34. Here ya go, take a read. Isreal is a tiny nation surrounded by millions of its enemies. I don't condone all their actions but I do understand them. When you are the size of RI and your enemies equal the size of the US you better be the bad boy on the block. The UN is as anti semitic as.  Add @msn.com to my screen name and you have my email if need it, I don't know why you would because I don't say anthing to anyone here that I would need to hide in  an email.

most of these resolutions were vetoed because they did not mention why Isreal took the actions they took. Mainly being attacked...........


BTW old timer.....there is a paypal button at the bottom.
Title: Re: WHY
Post by maffumatt on Aug 22nd, 2006, 5:00pm
1. Sept. 10, 1972-Condemned Israel's attacks against Southern Lebanon and Syria; vote: 13 to 1, with 1 abstention

2. July 26, 1973-Affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections; vote: 13 to 1, with China absent.

3. Dec. 8, 1975-Condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in Southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians; vote: 13 to 1, with 1 abstention.

4. Jan. 26, 1976-Called for self-determination of Palestinian people; vote: 9 to 1, with 3 abstentions.

5. March 25, 1976-Deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city, by most world nations and the United Nation's; vote: 14 to 1.

6. June 29, 1976-Affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people; vote: 10 to 1, with 4 abstentions.

7. April 30, 1980-Endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people; vote: 10 to 1, with 4 abstentions.

8. Jan. 20, 1982-Demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights; vote: 9 to 1, with 4 abstentions.

9. April 2, 1982-Condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva Convention protocols of civilized nations; vote: 14 to 1.

10. April 20, 1982-Condemned an Israeli soldier who shot 11 Muslim worshippers on the Temple Mount of the Haram al-Sharaf near the Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem; vote: 14 to 1.

11. June 8, 1982-Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon; vote: 14 to 1.

12. June 26, 1982-Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut, Lebanon; vote: 14 to 1.

13. Aug. 6, 1982-Urged cut-off of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon; vote: 11 to 1, with 3 abstentions.

14. Aug. 2, 1983-Condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied Palestine territories of West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace; vote: 13 to 1, with 1 abstention.

15. Sept. 6, 1984-Deplored Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urged its withdrawal; vote: 14 to 1.

16. March 12, 1985-Condemned Israeli brutality in Southern Lebanon and denounced Israel's "Iron Fist" policy of repression; vote: 11 to 1, with 3 abstentions.

17. Sept. 13, 1985-Denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories; vote: 10 to 1, with 4 abstentions.

18. Jan. 17, 1986-Deplored Israel's violence in Southern Lebanon; vote: 11 to 1, with 3 abstentions.

19. Jan. 30, 1986-Deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem which threaten the sanctity of Muslim holy sites; vote: 13 to 1, with 1 abstention.

20. Feb. 6, 1986-Condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane on Feb. 4; vote: 10 to 1, with 1 abstention.
Title: Re: WHY
Post by maffumatt on Aug 22nd, 2006, 5:00pm

21. Jan. 18, 1988-Deplored Israeli attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon; vote: 13 to 1, with Britain abstaining.

22. Feb. 1, 1988-Called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian uprising that violate the rights of occupied Palestinians, abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations; vote: 14 to 1.

23. April 15, 1988-Urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention and called for a peace settlement under U.N. auspices; vote: 14 to 1.

24. May 10, 1988-Condemned Israel's May 2 incursion into Lebanon; vote: 14 to 1.

25. Dec. 14, 1988-Deplored Israel's Dec. 9 commando raids on Lebanon; vote: 14 to 1.

26. Feb. 17, 1989-Deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian uprising and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians; vote: 14 to 1.

27. June 9, 1989-Deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians; vote: 14 to 1.

28. Nov. 7, 1989-Demanded Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian uprising; vote: 14 to 1.

29. May 31, 1990-Called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands; vote: 14 to 1.

30. May 17, 1995-Declared invalid Israel's expropriation of land in East Jerusalem and in violation of Security Council resolutions and the Fourth Geneva convention; vote: 14 to 1.

31. March 7, 1997-Called on Israel to refrain from settlement activity and all other actions in the occupied territories; vote:14 to 1.

32. March 21, 1997-Demanded Israel cease construction of the settlement Har Homa (called Jabal Abu Ghneim by the Palestinians) in East Jerusalem and cease all other settlement activity in the occupied territories; vote: 13 to 1, with one abstention.

33. March 26, 2001-Called for the deployment of a U.N. observer force in the West Bank and Gaza; vote: 9 to 1, with 4 abstentions.

34. Dec. 14, 2001-Condemned all acts of terror, the use of excessive force and destruction of properties and encouraged establishment of a monitoring apparatus; vote: 12-1, with 2 abstentions.

35. Dec. 19, 2002-Expressed deep concern over Israel's killing of U.N. employees and Israel's destruction of the U.N. World Food Program warehouse in Beit Lahiya and demanded that Israel refrain from the excessive and disproportionate use of force in the occupied territories; vote: 12 to 1, with 2 abstentions.

36. Sept. 16, 2003-Reaffirmed the illegality of deportation of any Palestinian and expressed concern about the possible deportation of Yasser Arafat; vote: 11 to 1, with 3 abstentions.

37. Oct. 14, 2003-Raised concerns about Israel's building of a securiy fence through the occupied West Bank; vote 10 to 1, with 4 abstentions.

38. March 25, 2004-Condemned Israel for killing Palestinian spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in a missile attack in Gaza; vote: 11 to 1, with 3 abstentions.

39. Oct. 5, 2004-Condemned Israel's military incursion in Gaza, causing many civilian deaths and extensive damage to property; vote: 11 to 1, with 3 abstentions.
Title: Re: WHY
Post by Fredmyyster on Aug 22nd, 2006, 5:33pm
    ^ 5 Matt
Title: Re: WHY
Post by superhawk2300 on Aug 22nd, 2006, 6:41pm
You ask a damn good question I think. You got the president's number handy?


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