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(Message started by: zwibbs/Scott on Aug 10th, 2006, 7:23am)
Title: The UK does it again
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Aug 10th, 2006, 7:23am
They nailed 21 bastards who were going to carry bombs on carry-on luggage then blow them up over parts of England and the US..............I remember when the police in England cornered 2 terrorists at their homes and made them walk outside totally nude, so as to protect them from consealing anything.                                                                            They have been watching these 21 people for a few months and made their move to stop them today !!!--I am extremely impressed !
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Mosaicwench on Aug 10th, 2006, 7:40am
Go Limeys!
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by chewy on Aug 10th, 2006, 8:09am
Helen fingered them. (figuratively)

GO HELEN!
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by maffumatt on Aug 10th, 2006, 8:21am
We saw this this morning, now my wife is Really scared to fly over there.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by pattik on Aug 10th, 2006, 8:21am
;;DYay Brits!!!     [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by unsolved1 on Aug 10th, 2006, 8:38am
Way to go UK !  [smiley=headbanger.gif]

Stay on them bastages !!

IMO ... if these arrested people are proven to be guilty of planning or getting ready to do this ... they should get the DEATH PENALTY !! (asap)

UNsolved
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by unsolved1 on Aug 10th, 2006, 9:00am
"Let him who desires peace, prepare for war"

Vegetius





UNsolved
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by The mad viking on Aug 10th, 2006, 9:13am
To bad we dont have deathpenalty in Europe.

In some cases i really believe we should have it

Svenn
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by imnotbub on Aug 10th, 2006, 9:23am
They would consider dying for the cause an honor. Their picture would hang in reverence on the walls of their families homes as a martyr. Let them rot in jail for the rest of their miserable lives.

Steve
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Charlotte on Aug 10th, 2006, 9:27am
I agree with Steve.  Dying in that situation would be too much of a tribute.  Let them rot in jail & live long life sentences plus 1 day.

I hope they catch the rest of them
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Lizzie2 on Aug 10th, 2006, 9:57am

on 08/10/06 at 08:21:18, maffumatt wrote:
We saw this this morning, now my wife is Really scared to fly over there.


My mom called me about the same fear for me.  I'm flying over 2 days after 9/11.  I guess this means I can't carry on my toiletry kit anymore or even a bottle of water!  I hope they will still serve drinks on the plane, however, because that's a long time to go without some kind of fluids!  There will probably be an even greater chance that luggage will not make it...

I'm glad they caught them, but now I'm nervous about flying over!
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by sandie99 on Aug 10th, 2006, 10:26am
Well, DON'T be scared to fly. I flew to London two days after September 11th in 2001. That meant 4 security checks, but no delays. Now things are different.

I'd be just one annoyed traveller right now, because I just heard that flights from Helsinki to London and New York are either cancelled or hours late.

And why? Because passangers have, goodness sake, packed alcohol, facial cream, shampoo, perfumes and other liquid stuff with them! ::) Thank heavens I'm not flying anywhere right now because my Red Bulls would be taken away from me! :o  

In fact, the news informed me that passangers to UK cannot even take their HANDBAGS to the plane, just their tickets and passports! Oh come on! >:( Too bad they're not kidding...

Now, I understand that security is security, but this is taking things few steps too far. I need my lipstick, chewing gum and notebook! I never travel anywhere without them. Sure this experience teaches people to, hmm, travel lightly...

Sanna
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by LadyLuv on Aug 10th, 2006, 11:47am

on 08/10/06 at 09:23:01, imnotbub wrote:
They would consider dying for the cause an honor. Their picture would hang in reverence on the walls of their families homes as a martyr. Let them rot in jail for the rest of their miserable lives.

Steve



Steve is correct... to kill these low lifes would be a honor.. Real punishment could only come if they are allowed to rot in prison while performing hard labor.

I am so very glad that they were caught before they could kill anyone.

Peace & Blessings
LL
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by LadyLuv on Aug 10th, 2006, 11:57am
I'm now listing to a special report that states Air Traffic @ Heathrow is backed up for hours and that there is a possibilty that more people are involved in this plot.

Thank God for the disruption of this plot.

LL
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by kevinpix on Aug 10th, 2006, 12:14pm
Go Brits, throw domestic beer on their heads in the name of glory!!!
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by JeffB on Aug 10th, 2006, 12:17pm
Does Jonny's post about a time to worry mean anything now?
This is why we can't have middle eastern students with good intentions or not just wondering around our nation! >:(

Good Job Brits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Aug 10th, 2006, 12:22pm

on 08/10/06 at 12:17:32, JeffB wrote:
Does Jonny's post about a time to worry mean anything now?
This is why we can't have middle eastern students with good intentions or not just wondering around our nation! >:(

Good Job Brits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Excellent point !!! Something was up . Remember that Mohammad Atta was Egyptian !    
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Aug 10th, 2006, 12:28pm

on 08/10/06 at 12:26:03, nani wrote:
I thought Atta was a Saudi. You know, the country whose royalty are good friends with the Bush family. The country that funds and harbors known terrorists.

                                                                                                                                                                                    No ! He was Egyptian-----They have Bin Laden on film tape stating that Atta was from the Egyptian Family---just like the doctor that is Bin Laden's right hand man.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Ree on Aug 10th, 2006, 2:06pm
HIGH five for the UK... thanks very much from this not so brave American!!!!    ree
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by tanner on Aug 10th, 2006, 2:20pm
  Woo Hoo http://www.information-britain.co.uk/images/britflag.jpg

thinkin maybe we should re-unite ;;D

better beer, proper fish and chips, pubs instead of bars :)
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by LeLimey on Aug 10th, 2006, 2:30pm
Matt Mary and Lizzie, none of you need be afraid, the airports are scrupulously checked over and you'll be as safe as you can be anywhere.

More drinks than you can handle are served on flights so don't worry about that and check the TSA website every day for updates nearer when you fly for what you can and can't carry on.

You're coming to me anyway, there's a limit to what you'll need!  ;;D

I flew four days after the first London bombings coming to the US last year, security was tight but it was very reassuring.

We're going to have a brilliant time, you've got more to worry about from me than any terrorists, I'd sort those little buggers out if they spoilt my plans!  ;)

Can't wait to see you all!
Helen
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by nani on Aug 10th, 2006, 2:47pm

on 08/10/06 at 12:28:35, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                    No ! He was Egyptian-----They have Bin Laden on film tape stating that Atta was from the Egyptian Family---just like the doctor that is Bin Laden's right hand man.


You're right. I googled it right after I posted, so I pulled it.  :-[  Bin Laden is the Saudi.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by maffumatt on Aug 10th, 2006, 2:52pm
We will be there, our tickets are non refundable. Mary is to cheap to throw that away.............
Matt
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by LeLimey on Aug 10th, 2006, 2:53pm
I promise you, she'll have so much fun she won't have time to think about that sort of shi stuff!
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Aug 10th, 2006, 4:31pm

on 08/10/06 at 14:47:44, nani wrote:
You're right. I googled it right after I posted, so I pulled it.  :-[  Bin Laden is the Saudi.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               No need for a sad face---I'll always love you Nani !!!!
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 10th, 2006, 5:06pm
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TERROR_PLOT?SITE=CAANG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by medic1852 on Aug 10th, 2006, 5:17pm
I was at work last night and was listening to Coast to Coast AM when the news broke about the planned terror plot. Glad to see it was stoped unless it was a deversion to what might be about to happen. My hat is off to Scotland Yard, and the Lodon Police.
Rodger
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Charlie on Aug 10th, 2006, 9:17pm
http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/uk smiley.gif

Rule Britainnia

Charlie
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Aug 11th, 2006, 12:40am

on 08/10/06 at 17:17:40, medic1852 wrote:
I was at work last night and was listening to Coast to Coast AM when the news broke about the planned terror plot. Glad to see it was stoped unless it was a deversion to what might be about to happen. My hat is off to Scotland Yard, and the Lodon Police.
Rodger

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I was listening to Coast also !!! Good to see you Rodger !
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Lizzie2 on Aug 11th, 2006, 12:56am
I'll definitely be there, too!!  My mom said tonight that as  of right now, it seems safe enough, but she was concerned that if more things develop, then we just need to keep watching.  I can't wait to meet all of you!!  This is going to be a GREAT time!!!

xoxo
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by pubgirl on Aug 11th, 2006, 1:21pm
Nice to know we occasionally get something right (and in SPADES they got this one right!! Just have to try and convict them now and get them locked up to rot for life)

Not much consolation to the family of the innocent man gunned down in Stockwell tube due to an error. Callous but I'm afraid I will live with one innocent man killed in error rather than 1000's of dead innocent people.

Flying out of the country as you all fly in I'm afraid - nothing personal Lizzie et al- off on hols. Hope you have a wonderful time in the UK. Watch out for that Limey though- she's dangerous! :o  ;)

Love to you all

Dubya da Bee

P.S. Not looking forward to trying to keep a 6 year old amused on a flight, equipped only with the inflight magazine and a sick bag! Just bought him a bloody personal DVD player for his birthday too.

AND having to show my Tampax and Imigran to the world in a clear plastic bag, might as well just shout "yes folks, get out of my way I'm menstrual and I get headaches, don't fuck with me" Dread to think what other personal things people will have to have on show in these bags.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by fubar on Aug 11th, 2006, 3:50pm
It turns out the Brits had a little help from the evil-Americanos who invade our privacy.  I hate to think what could have happened if we allowed the ignorant liberal privacy freaks to institute ban our intelligence arm from actually collecting any intelligence.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 11th, 2006, 3:57pm

on 08/11/06 at 15:50:22, fubar wrote:
It turns out the Brits had a little help from the evil-Americanos who invade our privacy.  I hate to think what could have happened if we allowed the ignorant liberal privacy freaks to institute ban our intelligence arm from actually collecting any intelligence.


Well said, dude!!!
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by pubgirl on Aug 11th, 2006, 4:07pm
and help from Pakistan too
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by maffumatt on Aug 11th, 2006, 4:17pm
about profileing, one of those arrested was a white Brit that had converted.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by floridian on Aug 11th, 2006, 5:02pm

on 08/11/06 at 15:50:22, fubar wrote:
It turns out the Brits had a little help from the evil-Americanos who invade our privacy.  I hate to think what could have happened if we allowed the ignorant liberal privacy freaks to institute ban our intelligence arm from actually collecting any intelligence.



http://www.deutsche-rundschau.com/archiv/08_08_2002/bin/JEFFERSON,%20Thomas%20(gray)%20(The%20White%20House).jpg

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Bob P on Aug 11th, 2006, 5:38pm
Ain't that the same gumbah who forgot this nation was founded on Christian beliefs?
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 11th, 2006, 5:39pm
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3cf24b3127cce9fbec020258800000016108AZM2bNk5bM6
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by kevinpix on Aug 11th, 2006, 6:33pm
Everybody should "love thy neighbor"!  And keep the water clean for the fish to be able to see heaven.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 11th, 2006, 6:53pm
http://67.19.222.106/photos/politics/graphics/protest5.jpg
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by rickyshot on Aug 11th, 2006, 7:08pm

on 08/11/06 at 17:39:02, Jonny wrote:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3cf24b3127cce9fbec020258800000016108AZM2bNk5bM6

[smiley=spit.gif]

I almost peed my pants on this one.

Jonny Where does your mind go?
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by floridian on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:01pm

on 08/11/06 at 17:38:34, Bob P wrote:
Ain't that the same gumbah who forgot this nation was founded on Christian beliefs?


No, Jefferson was not Italian, so I don't think calling him a goombah is appropriate.  Even if he was Italian, I don't know it would be appropriate.

He isn't the guy who forgot 'that this nation was founded on Christian beliefs' - he did more to found this country than anyone else, and he wasn't Christian.  Sure, he knew that most of his compatriots were Christian, but at the end of the day, they decided not to put any reference to Gods in the US Constitution.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Sean_C on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:14pm

on 08/11/06 at 18:33:28, kevinpix wrote:
Everybody should "love thy neighbor"!  And keep the water clean for the fish to be able to see heaven.


Do you fish Kev??
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by floridian on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:15pm

on 08/10/06 at 09:00:51, unsolved1 wrote:
"Let him who desires peace, prepare for war"

Vegetius


UNsolved


Hope its more successful than other wars against non-military enemies, like the war on cancer, the war on drugs, and the war on poverty.

And all this time, I thought that the operating motto was " Let him who desires more terrorism inflame hatred against their country around the world."

Curious to see the rift betwen Condi and George over the current situation - she wanted a cease-fire, he wanted Israel to attack Syria while they were going into Lebanon.  Fortunately, the Israelis are aware that Bush is not a deep thinker, and that Cheney is not good at choosing targets.  

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Condi4.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0809/dailyUpdate.html
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by maffumatt on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:15pm
I've caught some big fish in some muddy water..............
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:16pm
" On the day that Congress finished its work on the First Amendment, they called on Washington to issue a Proclamation to the people of the United States to thank God for the freedoms we enjoy. A week and a day later the President's opening paragraph in his Proclamation said: "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor."
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by floridian on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:37pm

on 08/11/06 at 21:16:24, Jonny wrote:
" On the day that Congress finished its work on the First Amendment, they called on Washington to issue a Proclamation to the people of the United States to thank God for the freedoms we enjoy. A week and a day later the President's opening paragraph in his Proclamation said: "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor."


Well, not sure why one of the Bobs tried to make this a religious discussion - I guess he doesn't like Jefferson.  Or something.  

The Presidents have always had a 'bully pulpit' and have used it for various purposes as they saw fit.  The fact that George made a speech that referenced God is no surprise.  The Constitution doesn't require Presidents abandon all religious beliefs while they serve. It does limit their authority to use the government to advance their religious interests, though.

And clearly, we have moved away from Washingtonian attitudes.  The current gang certainly isn't humble about asking for God's protection and favor - with hubris, they arrogantly proclaim that we already have it.  Funny how religious fundamentalists and oil money are driving the current governments over there and over here.  

Its too bad that John Adams' prayer went unanswered: "I pray Heaven to bestow the best of blessing on this house (the White House) and on all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof!"  

Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by maffumatt on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:42pm
Boy did that prayer go unheard.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Sean_C on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:48pm
Thomas Jefferson
A Prayer for the Nation

Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners. Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people, the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues. Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those whom in Thy name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth. In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

--Washington D.C., March 4, 1801
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:48pm
"The mistake modern secularists make is obvious. They take a twentieth-century concept like "secularism" and read it back into the Constitution. They take a concept that didn't even exist in the eighteenth century and attribute it to the framers of the Constitution."

"Even if the word "God" was in the Constitution, it probably would not make any difference. Secularist groups like the ACLU would probably dismiss it as a mere formality. There are 50 reasons to believe that this is true. Since secularists dismiss all references to God in the state constitutions, there is no reason to believe that they would behave any differently with the federal Constitution. Their commitment to secularism will not allow for the possibility that they might be wrong."
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Sean_C on Aug 11th, 2006, 9:54pm

on 08/11/06 at 21:48:49, Jonny wrote:
Since secularists dismiss all references to God in the state constitutions, there is no reason to believe that they would behave any differently with the federal Constitution. Their commitment to secularism will not allow for the possibility that they might be wrong."


It falls back to the "separation of church and state. Its hugely controversial. Interesting reading.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Kevin_M on Aug 11th, 2006, 10:04pm

on 08/11/06 at 21:54:48, Sean_C wrote:
It falls back to the "separation of church and state. Its hugely controversial. Interesting reading.



The Treaty of Tripoli (1796) has been controversial and Wikipedia has a bit of debate over Article 11.


Quote:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."





Arguments in support of view that Article 11 shows the United States was not a Christian nation:

Joel Barlow And The Treaty With Tripoli
Does the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli say that "The Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion?"


Arguments against the view that Article 11 shows the United States was not a Christian nation:

Treaty of Tripoli
What About Article 11 in the Treaty of Tripoli?

*link not working   :-/



*I think it's where the Marines got their start.

From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli...
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by floridian on Aug 11th, 2006, 10:12pm

on 08/11/06 at 21:48:49, Jonny wrote:
"The mistake modern secularists make is obvious. They take a twentieth-century concept like "secularism" and read it back into the Constitution. They take a concept that didn't even exist in the eighteenth century and attribute it to the framers of the Constitution."


The mistake modern Christian Nationalists make is obvious. They believe that a person or a country can be 'Christian' even if they have no interests in the teachings of Christ, and they ignore those teachings which do not sit with their preconceived notions. They have no intention of implementing the Kingdom of God as outlined in the Sermon on the Mount. They believe that God is a Republican, and that he is angered by stem cell research.

The fundamentalists in this country are little different from the fundamentalists of the Middle East.  They believe in using the police power of the government to enforce their religious laws and biases. They denounce as secularist any government that has not established a state religion. The do not believe in the equality of women. They see gays as a threat to their own sexuality.  And they are suspicious of science, which promotes subversive notions that the Earth is not flat or that evolution is a biological process.


Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Sean_C on Aug 11th, 2006, 10:17pm

on 08/11/06 at 22:12:29, floridian wrote:
They believe that God is a Republican, and that he is angered by stem cell research.


I did not know that ROTFLMMFAO ;;D I love you Flo ;;D
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by maffumatt on Aug 11th, 2006, 10:25pm
The biggest difference between the fundalmentalist here and the Mid-East is one wants your dollar (argueably), the other one straps bombs on themselved, go into crowded markets and blows up themselves and as many people of a different sect as possible.
Matt
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 11th, 2006, 10:27pm
Hi Flo  [smiley=wave.gif]

http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by floridian on Aug 11th, 2006, 10:43pm

on 08/11/06 at 22:25:15, maffumatt wrote:
The biggest difference between the fundalmentalist here and the Mid-East is one wants your dollar (argueably), the other one straps bombs on themselved, go into crowded markets and blows up themselves and as many people of a different sect as possible.
Matt


I personally knew a doctor in Illinois that was kidnapped by the "Army of God" because he performed abortions.  My father (who was in law enforcement) got threatening letters and phone calls from the posse comitatus. The Oklahoma City bomber was part of the Christian Identity movement.  Most members of the clan considered themselves Christians.  Fundamentalists are active in this country - maybe less so than in others, but the violence is here.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 11th, 2006, 10:46pm
Hi Flo  [smiley=wave.gif]

http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Sean_C on Aug 11th, 2006, 10:48pm

on 08/11/06 at 22:43:53, floridian wrote:
Most members of the clan considered themselves Christians.  Fundamentalists are active in this country - maybe less so than in others, but the violence is here.


edit: I'm sorry your family was subjected to those morons Jonathan. We obviously have extremist in this country, don't get me wrong, we're no different than anybody else in that sense of the word, I didn't mean any disrespect I just wanted to make that clear.

Sean..........................................
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Charlie on Aug 12th, 2006, 2:30am
Nothing like blaming Thomas Jefferson for the country's ills. He's different though; as were most of
those revered by the pulpit pounding Christian right. They were products of the enlightenment and knew that religion can be messy and waste lives. They
did this blessed place a favor by leaving religious types to their own devices. It's worked so far.

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries"---James Madison....for whom you can blame the Constitution and these quotes:

"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."

""Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedoms of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."

Damn. If only guys like him weren't around at the time so we could all be all alike.

The Klan is like the Muslim fundamentalists. They murder, and blow up things that get in their way of sending Jews and Blacks back to where they came from. It's not really a good idea to be a Catholic around them either.

This said; the world is stuck. If the terrorists are successful a wedge is driven into our way of life. If we are successfully agressive, a wedge is driven into our way of life.

This is going to be bloody but that's not new either. The ability to export terror on such a scale is and to get on TV is.


Charlie
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by floridian on Aug 12th, 2006, 3:31am

on 08/11/06 at 22:46:42, Jonny wrote:
Hi Flo  [smiley=wave.gif]

http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/


Spot on from your link: " Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels."  

So TJ was a non-religious christian (small c) or 'christologist' or 'Jesusian' that believed that Jesus of Nazareth was a bloke who developed a system of ethics (how to behave and stuff) but Jefferson wasnt' interested in worshipping Jesus as part of a three-part God, and he was sceptical or dismissive of all that talk about angels, miracles, and the resurection.  And while Jefferson did believe in God, he considered God to be inneffible and all mysterious-like, not someone to converse with, not some one/some thing that could be pinned down.

Clearly, Jefferson did not "accept Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior" in the sense that most fundamentalists consider the litmus test of being a Christian.  Jefferson would have likely accepted the same ethical teachings from some one named Brian, although in this universe, Brian was a bit more muddled. ("And a man shall lay down his hammer, and remember not where he put it .")  
 
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Bob P on Aug 12th, 2006, 7:49am

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Well, not sure why one of the Bobs tried to make this a religious discussion - I guess he doesn't like Jefferson.  Or something.  

Nope.  Just figured I'd get to watch you fall all over yourself.
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 12th, 2006, 10:59am

on 08/12/06 at 07:49:08, Bob P wrote:
Nope.  Just figured I'd get to watch you fall all over yourself.


Your cruel......LMMFAO ;;D
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by nani on Aug 12th, 2006, 11:00am

on 08/12/06 at 10:59:29, Jonny wrote:
Your cruel......LMMFAO ;;D


... and really mature.  ::)
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Bob P on Aug 12th, 2006, 11:56am

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... and really mature.


55 years old and still being scolded by a nani!
Title: Re: The UK does it again
Post by Jonny on Aug 12th, 2006, 1:33pm

on 08/12/06 at 11:00:40, nani wrote:
... and really mature.  ::)


Its fun to bait them and watch them dance ;;D

Opps, im showing my age......LMMFAO  [smiley=laugh.gif]


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