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(Message started by: JeffB on Jul 31st, 2006, 1:07pm)
Title: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by JeffB on Jul 31st, 2006, 1:07pm
At a Bar Mitzvah [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by chewy on Jul 31st, 2006, 1:09pm
Except maybe in effigy.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by maffumatt on Jul 31st, 2006, 1:11pm
He showed his true colors didn't he.......
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by rickyshot on Jul 31st, 2006, 1:13pm
Maybe if they have an open bar he'll show up. L'achim Mel..........
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by vig on Jul 31st, 2006, 1:23pm
open mouth, insert foot
oops

open mouth, guzzle, insert foot
[smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by sandie99 on Jul 31st, 2006, 1:42pm
Who knows these days? ::)
Maybe Mel & Tom Cruise convert together... [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by LadyLuv on Jul 31st, 2006, 5:13pm

on 07/31/06 at 13:42:38, sandie99 wrote:
Who knows these days? ::)
Maybe Mel & Tom Cruise convert together... [smiley=laugh.gif]




What color is the covertable that Tom & Mel is Crusing in?
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Jonny on Jul 31st, 2006, 5:15pm
Lem Nosbig
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jul 31st, 2006, 5:22pm

on 07/31/06 at 17:15:20, Jonny wrote:
Lem Nosbig

                                                                                                                                                                                      The name Mel Gibson uses to ward off the media .
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Sandy_C on Jul 31st, 2006, 5:40pm
But he said he was soorrrrry.  Doesn't that count?


Nope  >:(

Sandy
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Jonny on Jul 31st, 2006, 5:49pm
I wonder if the police car had a camera and if the cop was mic'ed.

Now that would be fun watching....LOL ;;D
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by jimmers on Jul 31st, 2006, 6:14pm
I guess him saying "The Passion of the Christ" wasn't Anti-Semitic has a whole new meaning!

Jimmers
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by JeffB on Jul 31st, 2006, 6:42pm
He gets it from his father who said the holocaust never happened.
I guess the ovens I was 2 feet from when I went to Dachau were for really long pizzas. Friggin crack pots! >:(
Even in 1972 the smell of burnt flesh was still in the air.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Charlie on Jul 31st, 2006, 7:01pm
What moronic thing did he come out with? I haven't yet heard the story.

That damned movie he did hasn't been good for him. That's right; his father is one of those. Pretty sad.

After selling a lot of Nazi crap war relics over the years at gun shows, I met dozens of these pinheads.

Charlie
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by cootie on Jul 31st, 2006, 8:59pm
No happy honakah for that guy Pam

(spellin sucks I know I know....sorry)
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ree on Jul 31st, 2006, 9:07pm
I personally love the guy... I only believe 1/2 of what I hear and almost none of what I read......and everybody is human ~~~"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"~~~

I've met alot of people in this life and I haven't met a perfect one yet..... Gods love to you all and especially Mr Gibson who had a human moment....and OH MY GOOODNES GOT CAUGHT IN A CAR DRUNK...... I HAVE NEVER DONE THAT HAVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU???????
REE
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 31st, 2006, 9:20pm
Ree, I dont think it was the drunk driving thing that is pissing off the Jewish people.  I think it might be Mel's vulgar statements about the Jews, and how much they have fucked up world civilization.

He ranted for over 30 minutes about it.

B$
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by E-Double on Jul 31st, 2006, 9:33pm
Exactly!

It pisses me off since I always dig his movies.
I won't be watching those anymore.
I also turn the station if I here Phil Collins because he has made antisemitic remarks as well

E the heeb
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ree on Jul 31st, 2006, 9:37pm
~~~~~~and he has also apologized..... I guess you have never been under the influence and said something you didn't mean...... he has been quoted on a interview with Dianne Sawyer admiting that to be antisemitic is sinful...... I saw the video myself tonight on the news.

In his statement, Gibson acknowledges that he had been drinking Thursday night and that "I did a number of things that were very wrong and for which I am ashamed. I drove a car when I should not have. ... I feel fortunate that I was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person." (Read the full statement)

"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable," the statement said. "I am deeply ashamed of everything I said."

He added: "Also, I take this opportunity to apologize to the deputies involved for my belligerent behavior. They have always been there for me in my community and indeed probably saved me from myself. I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry."

Gibson further said he has long battled alcoholism, and "I apologize for any behavior unbecoming of me in my inebriated state and have already taken necessary steps to ensure my return to health."

better appology than I have heard in a long time.....
  haven't you ever appologized for acting like an idiot...
I sure have!!!!!!(((believe it or not)))) lol   ree
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by E-Double on Jul 31st, 2006, 9:49pm
Yes Ree, like many I have been inappropriate at times.
However, I can tell you that I have never made any racist or truly bigoted remarks with the exception of making fun of Pep's slippers in Spanish.

I am a firm believer that because I am Jewish, I have absolutely NO right whatsoever to think that way in the slightest since Jews are hated more than any other group in the world.

There is nothing worse according to many.

The only thing worse by KKK standards would be a Black, Gay, Jew. I feel bad for my cousin Ira.

Be well.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Kevin_M on Jul 31st, 2006, 10:13pm

on 07/31/06 at 21:37:27, Ree wrote:
...the deputies...  They have always been there for me in my community and indeed probably saved me from myself.



Been there before.  

It seems strange now, Mel so disconnected from reality.  Babbling tangents coming from beyond beyond, as I'd term them.  Seen them and did them.  Make no sense, crazy subject, usually unremembered.   Alcohol problem at that depth.  Rock bottom can hit hard.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by superhawk2300 on Jul 31st, 2006, 10:42pm
Jonny - I hear there IS a video of the traffic stop.

No doubt coming soon to your internet!
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Dissident on Jul 31st, 2006, 11:22pm
I'm just curious as to why they (the cops) re-wrote the police report and excluded his nasty anti-semitic remarks when Mel himself admitted saying and doing those awful things.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 31st, 2006, 11:45pm
I hear you, Ree, and that is great that he so freely admits his mistakes.
I however, do not act like that and have never acted like that, and would never have to apologize for losing control.
"losing control" is not an acceptable excuse for an adult.  


Where is it that you draw the line?  How far out of line can a person be before you decide to do something like Eric and not see his movies anymore?  
Its not like he made an accident, like if he puked on someone.  
He spoke at length of his hatred for the Jews.  When Mel Gibson loses his inhibition, he spews hatred for a group of people.  

Thats just wrong, and like Eric, I dont want to support him.
I am proud to say that of the $500 million dollars Mel has made in the last decade, I didnt give him one dime!!
:-/
B$
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Charlie on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:39am
I finally caught up with this story. Since I have, the thing has been on cable news six million times. Someone said this kind of thing may be a career buster and that alcohol is a better revealer than concealer. Pretty sad.

Every year my partner in crime head to a Ohio collectible show where we run into an older friend that refuses to go to Stephen Spielburg movies because he is a "liberal Jew." He also hates basketball because it's full of blacks and that all sports are getting "too ethnic."  

A few months ago, I met a man that came to collect some billheads that he won from my ebay auction. About the third thing he said was that he was a white supremacist. My having blue (at least they were blue) eyes was a good thing.

They are everywhere. I do not know where it comes from. Aside from stupid, it's boring and it's such a waste of precious time. In any case, I've met too many for my taste.

Charlie
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by deltadarlin on Aug 1st, 2006, 8:27am
AND, the cop he asked that question of was Jewish.

If dear ol' mel had gotten in a wreck and killed people while driving drunk, would an apology have sufficed?  "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to run over that group of people.  I was drunk".

Mel makes his money from the good will of the public.

'darlin
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Lizzie2 on Aug 1st, 2006, 10:51am
I don't think it's just a question of saying things he doesn't mean while drunk.  I mean, I've been drunk before, but I've never spewed any racial or antisemetic things...  Sure people can get drunk and lose control, but why did he say THOSE things?  In my mind, that looks a lot like his true feelings coming out in a moment of drunken "honesty."  Seriously, why would he say that when he was drunk instead of blathering on about some other thing?  If he didn't truly feel that way, then why say that?  That's my question...
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by floridian on Aug 1st, 2006, 10:57am

on 08/01/06 at 10:51:40, Lizzie2 wrote:
I don't think it's just a question of saying things he doesn't mean while drunk.  I mean, I've been drunk before, but I've never spewed any racial or antisemetic things...  Sure people can get drunk and lose control, but why did he say THOSE things?  In my mind, that looks a lot like his true feelings coming out in a moment of drunken "honesty."  Seriously, why would he say that when he was drunk instead of blathering on about some other thing?  If he didn't truly feel that way, then why say that?  That's my question...


I think its a text book proof of the old phrase in aqua sanitas, in vino veritas - if you want to find out what a person really thinks, lubricate their neurons with a little wine.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by cootie on Aug 1st, 2006, 11:07am
I like Mel either way I must admit and LOVE most of his movies esp Mad Max......so I'm not plannin on bannin him or nothin in my mind........I've hungaround alot of drunk people and friends that I know pretty good and been there myself a few times......a drunken mouth speaks a sober mind Pam

All you can do tho is BE HONESTLY SORRY "for sayin it' cuz you can't take back the fact you really musta thought it in the first place to of said it while drunk. But Yeah.....jus shoulda kept it to himslef cuz once shit is spoken public yer screw'd !!!
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by sandie99 on Aug 1st, 2006, 11:34am
I was thinking about this thread when I just read from People Magazine's newsletter that Mel is now in rehab beause of alcoholism.

Sanna
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by JeffB on Aug 1st, 2006, 12:02pm
You can't erase the spoken word.

At least we know how he really feels.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by georgej on Aug 1st, 2006, 12:04pm
The film crew from the television show "Cops" is here in Boise for the next two weeks.  It might be interesting to invite Mel here for a visit.

Wouldn't THAT be a corker.

Best,

George
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ree on Aug 1st, 2006, 12:45pm

on 07/31/06 at 23:45:43, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
I hear you, Ree, and that is great that he so freely admits his mistakes.
I however, do not act like that and have never acted like that, and would never have to apologize for losing control.
"losing control" is not an acceptable excuse for an adult.  


Where is it that you draw the line?  How far out of line can a person be before you decide to do something like Eric and not see his movies anymore?  
Its not like he made an accident, like if he puked on someone.  
He spoke at length of his hatred for the Jews.  When Mel Gibson loses his inhibition, he spews hatred for a group of people.  

Thats just wrong, and like Eric, I dont want to support him.
I am proud to say that of the $500 million dollars Mel has made in the last decade, I didnt give him one dime!!
:-/
B$
You ask where do I draw the line... let's just say I am a forgiving person... I was once married to a wife beating womanizer and the hate that I felt in my heart hurt too sorely.  I turned that hate around and remembered why I married that man, how much I loved him, and gave birth to his two boys.  Now I am proud to say that he is one of my best friends.  I forgave his indiscretions, and believe me I was also beaten severely by this man.  All I know is that it feels better to have my sons father in my life as a friend and deal with his flaws. I believe I helped him to heal something that hurt from deep within.  I knew I could never live with him again. That was something that he lost.  I hope that someday people hurt by the things Mel Gibson said will learn to forgive him...
 You say you haven't given Mel Gibson one dime of your money... maybe you should look inside your heart.  Was it predjudice that kept you from seeing his movies.  What was YOUR reason for not going to his movies?  ree
Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

ACTOR MEL GIBSON ADMITS MAKING ANTI-SEMITIC COMMENTS, APOLOGIZES TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY FOR THE 'VITRIOLIC AND HARMFUL WORDS" HE SAID
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 1st, 2006, 12:49pm
Ree, hun, I love ya dearly, but this is one point that you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Yes I have gotten shitfaced drunk, and said and done things that I have not been too proud of.  But NEVER ONCE did I say anything that I did not believe in.  I may have said things that I shouldn't have, but alcohol does not make you say things that you don't believe in.

I, too, have enjoyed his movies of the past.  And I gave him the benefit of the doubt about "The Passion of the Christ" movie.  But he has stepped WAY over the line with his drunken comments.  Now he has shown himself, without a doubt, to be anti-semetic, and THAT I will not tolerate nor support with my money.  It is a shame, as I think he is a talented person, but he has gotten the last of my money.

He has appologized, for saying it.  Fine.  But that does not erase the fact that he is a hater of a group of people JUST because of their religion, NOR does he deny his anti-semitism.

Sorry, Ree, I just cannot accept that.

Chuck
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ree on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:31pm
 You all better be on your best behavior at the next convention... I intend to be there and I will be wearing my meeter,  counting the crazy things people say and get away with because they are drunk.  Remember now you told me that you don't say or do anything that you don't BELIEVE when you are drunk.....
 Everyone has a right to their opinion.  I'll still be enjoying Mel Gibson's movies... and loving him for who he is.  When a man makes a mistake and apologizes for it.  It makes him a better man in my eyes... I don't think this will hurt him at all.  Sure there will be those that don't go to his movies, but it sounds as if those of you that chose that route haven't liked him from days past.  Perhaps you are predjudice because he is a Christian? Perhaps because of the Passion of the Christ movie.  
All I know is the guy fell off the wagon... I personally believe that alcohol is "fluid satan".  I've seen it change people from nice to nasty in a few shots.  I've seen prudes dance on tables.....are you gonna tell me this is their honest belief and true self.....
Im done....ree   (who saw pictures of one man flahing his hiney at a convention hmmmmmmm do you think that is his true self)
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:42pm
Easy there Ree. I haven't seen any christian prejudice in these posts today.  Alcohol is not Satan. And for the ass flasher at convention, maybe that is his true self -- and what's wrong with that?

Gibson's fall is no different than the enjoyment you can get from watching funniest home video's when you know the kid is going to swing the bat and hit the guy in the balls, but you just, for some reason, can't hit the channel changer yet.

He's a man of strong opinions and makes a very strong effort to conceal his "truth" behind a charming smile and hollywood personna --- thereby deluding his fans into believing that he is the man he portrays in his many parts. But he is just like any of us. A little time in rehab will help him face that a little better.

scott
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by JeffB on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:46pm
THIS JUST IN:
Mel Gibson has entered a rehab facility in Lebanon, he will be in many group sessions where he will learn to meditate, cleanse himself and fire Kaytusha Rockets. He has also indicated an interest in politics where he plans to put himself on next years ballot in Tehran. And he will also work on a sequel to Passion Of The Christ which he says will blow the sox and body parts of movie gowers in the holy land!
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Melissa on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:47pm
What Mel Gibson said doesn't bother me because he is the dumb fucker who said it, not me.  He could not keep his prejudices to himself and now the truth is out and he's going to pay for it.

This is why it's best not to have any prejudice at all.  If you cannot be truthful to yourself and others, you can bet it will all come back to bite you in the ass at some point in your life.

As for Chuck, I talked to him before he even went into that bar and did what he did... he did NOT appear drunk to me. :-/  Ree, I don't think it was fair what you said about him as you were not there.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ree on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:52pm
My opinions and my right to keep them Scott... Everyone sins..... No one is perfect.....and to me yes alcohol is satan....it brings out the beast in people that have a sickness called "ALCOHOLISM".  People have blacked out... lost memory etc.  It ruins marriages, causes people to commit crime, rape and well all around evil......
 There will never be a sequel to the Passion of the Christ~ there will also never be a greater movie made.
My opinion and my right to keep it....... Ree
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:57pm

on 08/01/06 at 13:52:56, Ree wrote:
My opinions and my right to keep them Scott...


You can keep them then.
:-/

Scott
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ree on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:57pm

on 08/01/06 at 13:47:40, Melissa wrote:
What Mel Gibson said doesn't bother me because he is the dumb fucker who said it, not me.  He could not keep his prejudices to himself and now the truth is out and he's going to pay for it.

This is why it's best not to have any prejudice at all.  If you cannot be truthful to yourself and others, you can bet it will all come back to bite you in the ass at some point in your life.

As for Chuck, I talked to him before he even went into that bar and did what he did... he did NOT appear drunk to me. :-/  Ree, I don't think it was fair what you said about him as you were not there.
 
Exactly Mel~ I wasn't there as NONE of US were when Mel Gibson said and did what he did........though he admitted it and appologized..... Why was it not fair what I said, if he did what he did soberly??? at the convention?  Was it a bad thing that he did?  If so then why would he have done it... especially sober.... I cannot understand your point? I guess I'm done with this thread.... ree
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Melissa on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:03pm

on 08/01/06 at 13:57:41, Ree wrote:
Why was it not fair what I said, if he did what he did soberly??? at the convention?  Was it a bad thing that he did?  If so then why would he have done it... especially sober.... I cannot understand your point? I guess I'm done with this thread.... ree

First off, I understand your point Ree.

Secondly, the way you worded your post about people doing or saying things they normally wouldn't do when they are sober, well, when you threw Chuck into the mix with him "flashing his hiney" at the convention, it sounded like you were saying that might not really be him due to alcohol possibly being involved.  

Perhaps it could have been worded better to get your point across without involving Chuck.  I dunno...

nevermind :-[
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by chewy on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:04pm

Quote:
Gods love to you all and especially Mr Gibson who had a human moment


Human moment? More like an obnoxious racist alcoholic moment. He's still accountable. Dont defend him.


Quote:
I personally believe that alcohol is "fluid satan".


Not even close unless you think that a Catholic priest is consuming "liquid Satan" as a communion rite.

The evil is in the behaviors not in the trigger.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:12pm

on 08/01/06 at 13:31:19, Ree wrote:
 You all better be on your best behavior at the next convention... I intend to be there and I will be wearing my meeter,  counting the crazy things people say and get away with because they are drunk.  Remember now you told me that you don't say or do anything that you don't BELIEVE when you are drunk.....


I have no problem with that, Ree.  The last time I was drunk was in December of 1973.  I KNOW what an ass I make of myself when I am drunk.  (And the damn hangover!)

And as I said, I accept that this is a point where we disagree.  I have NOTHING against you, and your belief.  That is your right, and I will defend your right to state it, to the end of time.  I am just saying I disagree. That is all.  I have my ideas, and you have yours.  No problems!


on 08/01/06 at 13:31:19, Ree wrote:
(who saw pictures of one man flahing his hiney at a convention hmmmmmmm do you think that is his true self)

YUP!!  That is the REAL me!  The real me likes to have fun, and enjoys making people laugh.  The circumstances, at the time, were right for me to do something silly, and I did it.  Do I regret it?  NOPE!  Not one bit.  Everyone there seemed to think it was funny as all getout, and that was my intention, to help people have fun.  If that entails them laughing at something dumb I do, FINE!  AND, I was stone cold sober at the time that I did it.

I cut up and have fun, and act the fool when I am sober.  No one here has ever seen me drunk or even tipsy, and hopefully, they never will.

Chuck
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Jonny on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:17pm
So, how do you folks feel about Daniel Carver?  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:20pm

on 08/01/06 at 14:17:05, Jonny wrote:
So, how do you folks feel about Daniel Carver?  [smiley=laugh.gif]


At least he doesn't try to be anything other than what he is. A wack-job, sicko racist.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by JeffB on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:26pm

on 08/01/06 at 14:17:05, Jonny wrote:
So, how do you folks feel about Daniel Carver?  [smiley=laugh.gif]


He has no bones about his beliefs and while you don't have to like him or his views he's honest about his feelings (which doesn't take beers and shots to make clear).

Wake up...........................! ;;D
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by floridian on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:29pm

on 08/01/06 at 14:17:05, Jonny wrote:
So, how do you folks feel about Daniel Carver?  [smiley=laugh.gif]


Who?
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:31pm

on 08/01/06 at 14:26:22, JeffB wrote:
He has no bones about his beliefs and while you don't have to like him or his views he's honest about his feelings (which doesn't take beers and shots to make clear).

Wake up...........................! ;;D


I'd prefer someone who takes a 12 pack to get his "feelings" out than someone like Carver who's "honest about his feelings" of hatred.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ree on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:35pm
[quote author=Melissa link=board=general;num=1154365648;start=25#41 date=08/01/06 at 14:03:46]
First off, I understand your point Ree.

Secondly, the way you worded your post about people doing or saying things they normally wouldn't do when they are sober, well, when you threw Chuck into the mix with him "flashing his hiney" at the convention, it sounded like you were saying that might not really be him due to alcohol possibly being involved.  

Perhaps it could have been worded better to get your point across without involving Chuck.  I dunno...

nevermind :-[/quote] I never mentioned that it was chuck at the convention only "one man....." You were the one Mel that told everyone it was Chuck. I had no idea he hadn't had a drink since 1973... but to respond to his thread..... why did he quit...? if alcohol hadn't changed his demeanor?  then why did Chuck quit... ?  I just think everyone puts people up in Hollywood up on pedistals and don't expect them to falter.
 And your comment about the Catholic Priests Don.....yup... what happened in the Catholic Church was evil in its evilest form.  It is also another proof that all people sin.....I just hope that they don't have a camera when it happens to any of you, or that some mistake doesn't cost you all your reputation. I'm sure he will pay dearly for his words.... I am just so shocked that you all can't take his appology for what it is and forgive.  I guess it just depends on what someone says. Or who it is that is doing the talking..... I was not putting Chuck down either, Mel......but see how you came to his defense.  As I was doing for Mr Gibson.   Ree
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by chewy on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:38pm
Daniel Carver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Carver


Quote:
I had no idea he hadn't had a drink since 1973... but to respond to his thread..... why did he quit...?


Thats Chucks business. Not yours or anyone elses.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by vig on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:40pm
I think Don was referring to the Mass rite when priests drink wine...  or drinking liquid Satan.  that would be a bad analogy or bad symbolism.

I hope it turns out that he actually isn't an anti-semite, but boy, is he pushing his luck!
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:41pm
I will concede one thing, Jagermeister may actually be liquid Satan. But that's as far as I'll go.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ree on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:44pm

on 08/01/06 at 14:38:27, chewy wrote:
Daniel Carver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Carver


Thats Chucks business. Not yours or anyone elses.

You have been quite hostile towards me for a long time now Don, want to take this off the board cuz I don't know where the Hell its coming from....... the point I was trying to make is the reason people quit drinking is because it ruins lives...  I don't drink either for that reason. I come from a house full of ALCOHOLICS.......so why don't you tell me when I am being tiraded by someone I dearly love and he says he didnt know or remember what he said...... Im supposed to believe he really was talking truth..... maybe in your experience not mine.....I believe him.....you don't have to..... done
ree
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:44pm

on 08/01/06 at 14:35:35, Ree wrote:
why did he quit...? if alcohol hadn't changed his demeanor?  then why did Chuck quit... ?  


To set the record straight, I did not QUIT drinking, I just quit having more than one or two drinks.  And why did I do it?  Because I did not want to have another hangover like I had the next day, and I realized I didn't need it to have fun.

Chuck
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Jonny on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:48pm

on 08/01/06 at 14:29:20, floridian wrote:
Who?


Oh Man!!!!, dont tell me theres an owl in this thread....LMAO  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by chewy on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:49pm

Quote:
You have been quite hostile towards me for a long time now Don, want to take this off the board cuz I don't know where the Hell its coming from....


Sorry for your perception but I dont remove posts.


Quote:
the point I was trying to make is the reason people quit drinking is because it ruins lives...


Thats a  broad statement that is not accurate. People also stop drinking for medical and religious reasons as well as just personal choice. Not only because it ruins their lives.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Melissa on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:54pm

on 08/01/06 at 14:35:35, Ree wrote:
I never mentioned that it was chuck at the convention only "one man....." You were the one Mel that told everyone it was Chuck. I had no idea he hadn't had a drink since 1973... but to respond to his thread..... why did he quit...? if alcohol hadn't changed his demeanor?  then why did Chuck quit... ?  I just think everyone puts people up in Hollywood up on pedistals and don't expect them to falter.
 And your comment about the Catholic Priests Don.....yup... what happened in the Catholic Church was evil in its evilest form.  It is also another proof that all people sin.....I just hope that they don't have a camera when it happens to any of you, or that some mistake doesn't cost you all your reputation. I'm sure he will pay dearly for his words.... I am just so shocked that you all can't take his appology for what it is and forgive.  I guess it just depends on what someone says. Or who it is that is doing the talking..... I was not putting Chuck down either, Mel......but see how you came to his defense.  As I was doing for Mr Gibson.   Ree

Yeah but Ree, here's the difference.  Chuck was the ONLY ONE to do what he did.  AND, I KNOW Chuck!!  That is why I came to his defense.

Don't think I'm trying to crucify Mel Gibson for what he said, because I'm not (it's his own cross to carry) and I am glad he apologized.

I'm not trying to get down on you Ree, I'm just trying to say that comparing Chuck and Mel is like me trying to say that apple is as red as that banana.  Knowwhatimean?

I've said my piece.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by JeffB on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:00pm
On a scale from 1 to 10................How's Chucks ass??

FYI, Daniel Carver is an idiot that I can't get enough of when he's on Stern. He makes no bones about his hate, I think he's pretty high up in the KKK. Not that I condone that stuff but it's friggin funny when he spews that crap.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ghost on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:08pm

on 08/01/06 at 14:49:34, chewy wrote:
Thats a  broad statement that is not accurate. People also stop drinking for medical and religious reasons as well as just personal choice. Not only because it ruins their lives.

Ohhh Me Me Me!!!!
Just got tired of paying for a extra headache. 3-6 a day is plenty for me.
As far as mel (not our mel) goes he said it, it was wrong. he appoligised.(sp) Some will forgive others will not. Each must make our own choice. He made his. No one died from it. Some where hurt though. If he is a hippocrate(sp) or just stupid he has to live with it. If some feel they shouldnt spend there hard earned money on his endevours no one can force them. It is there right to choose what to spend it on. Should we fight because of him NO!!!!!
We are family he is a multi millionare actor that couldnt give a rats azz about any of us. I personally like his movies I choose to pay to watch them. I cannot force anyone else to do so though. I don't want to.
OK I am done please dont hate.

Mike :'(
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Jonny on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:10pm

on 08/01/06 at 15:00:32, JeffB wrote:
On a scale from 1 to 10................How's Chucks ass??


You be the judge ;;D

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/nashville/nashville164.jpg
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ghost on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:12pm
OMG I AM BLIND!!! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Jonny on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:18pm

on 08/01/06 at 15:12:08, Ghost wrote:
OMG I AM BLIND!!! 8) 8) 8)


It will wear off, but you need to soak your eyes in borax for an hour! ;;D
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Linda_Howell on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:21pm


 
Quote:
....a drunken mouth speaks a sober mind



   I have always believed that.  Alcohol does not make one a bigot or anything else, it frees up inhibitions to say or act in a way they really feel but wouldn't dream of ,  if sober.

   I don't see how Mel could have done anything BUT apologise.  His career and bottom line are in jeopardy.
I hope along with rehab for his alcoholism, he gets some counseling for his prejudicial views and maybe  sensitivity/diversity training as well.

Chucks interruption of Jayne and my pool game in Nashville accomplished  exactly what he hoped it would do.  Make us all laugh and have a good time.  He wasn't drunk or even drinking at the time.

Linda
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:21pm
now that that one was pulled out form the archives we can probably expect it to appear weekly on the ladies "Friday Pic for the Ladies" thread.

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

that's a gem!

Scott
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Ree on Aug 1st, 2006, 5:20pm
I'm praying for Mr Gibson..... I feel sorry for the guy... He made his bed and ruined his rep...

but I'm done now.  ree
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Charlie on Aug 1st, 2006, 6:01pm
Lots of things come together with Mel's statement. It's 2006 is the main one. When I was a kid in the early 50s, just about everybody in my little town snickered or worse about Jews....some pretty crude stuff was heard. The 60s turned this right around....at least in Jamestown but I wonder how many were recommended for the "Town Club?"

Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh got away with it for years. Lindy never did change his mind. Ford didn't either but didn't last long. Gibson will have a tough time because there are so many Jews in the entertainment business. Why? Simply it was one area where they could enjoy the American dream. There were few if any Jewish CEOs until after the war and then not many for decades. The movie: "Gentlemen's Agreement" from about 1950 or so, is instructive.

I still think the guy is a good actor. He plays an aw shucks type all American guy rather well. That's gonna be a tough one now.

Charlie
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Bob P on Aug 1st, 2006, 6:08pm
Alcoholism is a tough disease.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by maffumatt on Aug 1st, 2006, 6:26pm
Ree if nothing else I love the way you stick to your guns, I don't agree you on this subject but I would love to have a friend like you standing behind me if I was ever in need.
Matt
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Charlie on Aug 1st, 2006, 7:14pm

on 08/01/06 at 18:08:13, Bob P wrote:
Alcoholism is a tough disease.


Good post Bob

Charlie
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by BarbaraD on Aug 1st, 2006, 7:51pm

on 08/01/06 at 18:08:13, Bob P wrote:
Alcoholism is a tough disease.



You're right Bob - it is. I grew up around a lot of alcoholics (back in the 50s we didn't KNOW it was a disease - we thought they were just drunks.) By the time it became a disease, most of them were too far gone to get help. It's really a sad life.

My father was the model for Archie Bunker.

I take a drink occasionally (and pull a drunk about every 10 years). Am I predigice? To an extent, but it's mostly against People - not races.

The only reason this made headlines is because of who Mel is. You or I could have said the same thing and no one would have noticed.

Frankly I'm tired of the news being all about Mel right now. I like most of his movies, but don't give a fig what he thinks about anything else. I think his timing was just bad.

Hugs BD
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by rickyshot on Aug 1st, 2006, 8:11pm
Being in a family of African Americans, Jews and American Indian (my Jewish mother called us the three strike kids) I have to say that racism resonated well within me. Mel Gibson is a slice of reality unfortunately. A LOT of people feel as he does but you don't hear it. Most of us are not famous or in power. And I don't believe for a minute the drinking caused his beliefs. It may have caused the bad behaviour for sure but he spewed what was on his mind which normally he would not do. Racism, antisemitsim has to be confronted. I like some of the above posters have more of a problem with people like Mel Gibson who pretend not to be a racist but is otherwise. I can deal with the KKK. I KNOW where they stand and can fight them head on. You know how the holacuast  happened. Because the average man did nothing did not speak up for their neighbors. Some did and paid the price but the majority of the world turned a blind eye just as they are doing now with Dafour, So it happens again and again. sigh....
Ree I can see your passion with alcoholism because of your lifes experiences but believe me Mel's antisemitism has nothing to do with his alcoholism. He got two separte problems and big ones.
As far as forgiveness goes, you forgive the sin but reaping what you sow is a big spiritual law in this life. He will pay for his sins because he has not laid them at the cross and let Christ's work to activate in him. He calls himself a Christian. You shall know them by their fruits. Do you think he is bearing good fruit?
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by rickyshot on Aug 1st, 2006, 8:13pm
If you cannot love your brother you can see , you cannot love God who you can't see. From the book of James in the Bible.
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Jonny on Aug 1st, 2006, 8:26pm
Ricky said it....the only reason this has press is because of who he is.

I could give a fuck if its what he believes or if it was the booze talking......just like I dont give a fuck what any nazi/KKK dude says.

Get over it folks...the only reason your talking about it is cause of who he is.

If he was Chuck Jackson living in Miami you would not give two shits.....am I wrong?
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Aug 1st, 2006, 8:33pm

on 08/01/06 at 12:45:19, Ree wrote:
 You say you haven't given Mel Gibson one dime of your money... maybe you should look inside your heart.  Was it predjudice that kept you from seeing his movies.  What was YOUR reason for not going to his movies?  ree


I just dont like movies, Doll.  I see less than one movie per year, his just didnt make the list!

;;D
B$  
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 1st, 2006, 8:44pm

on 08/01/06 at 20:26:19, Jonny wrote:
If he was Chuck Jackson living in Miami you would not give two shits.....


WHAT???  Chuck Jackson said THAT!!!  Why that BA$TARD!!!  I am NEVER going to the department of WallyWorld that he works in EVER again!!!

The A$$HOLE!!!


Chuck
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Jonny on Aug 1st, 2006, 8:45pm
ROTFFLMMFAO!!!!!!!

;;D
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by chewy on Aug 1st, 2006, 9:12pm

Quote:
Alcoholism is a tough disease.


You aint shittin Brother

Chuck Jackson no longer works at Wally World. He's a server down at the Fry Hut now.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyGap.89E7RkAZuSjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=1304lk4rj/EXP=1154567465/**http%3a//www.fantasycostumes.com/Merchant2/images/French-Fries-Hat-1904-RI.jpg
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by LeLimey on Aug 1st, 2006, 9:13pm
Bloody hellfire  >:(

WTF is wrong with this? I've just sat and read all four pages of this thread and all I can see is hurt.

If we can't express our opinions without getting hostile to each other maybe its time we kept them to ourselves.
I love threads where we get a good debate going but this one got personal, feelings have got hurt and friendships compromised.

What for? Mel bloody Gibson? Ree is one of our best supporters here, Mel is someone I love dearly, Chuck is someone who's ass I grab  ;) and Chewy.. well Chewy has a cute dog!

We're friends people.
We work together fighting a common enemy not each other FFS.

This hurts to read.  :'(
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by superhawk2300 on Aug 1st, 2006, 9:14pm
"evil"

All evil (and good for that matter) come from the minds of man.

Imagine the earth without any humans. With the same animals,plants, and "controlled substances".

There would be nothing"evil" or"good" then, just nature doing its thing. I don't believe any substance is "evil".
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Melissa on Aug 1st, 2006, 9:30pm
I for one, am very PISSED off for the way the name Mel is being used liberally on this thread!

Dodgammit!!! >:(







;)
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by chewy on Aug 1st, 2006, 9:33pm
I work with dysfunctional people all day long. I am fed up with with hearing the excuses and justifications for unacceptable and eratic behaviors.

We are accountable as individuals for our own actions.

He drank it.
He said it.
He pays the consequences.


Quote:
I for one, am very PISSED off for the way the name Mel is being used liberally on this thread!


LMAO!
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by ClusterChuck on Aug 1st, 2006, 10:42pm

on 08/01/06 at 21:13:37, LeLimey wrote:
Ree is one of our best supporters here, Mel is someone I love dearly, Chuck is someone who's ass I grab  ;) and Chewy.. well Chewy has a cute dog!


Helen, I ain't mad at anyone.  My feelings have not been hurt.  I respect anyone's thoughts and ideas.  I just happen to disagree with Ree, that is all.  I am not mad at her or upset by what she or anyone else has said on this thread.

I am just PISSED as all hell about that damn Chuck Jackson, in Miami!!!  The PRICK!!!

So, ya bossy damn limey, GET OFF MY FREAKIN CASE, wench!!!  ;) [smiley=laugh.gif] :-*

Chuck
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by Jonny on Aug 1st, 2006, 10:46pm

on 08/01/06 at 22:42:37, ClusterChuck wrote:
 I am not mad at her or upset by what she or anyone else has said on this thread


Thats a good thing.....or else we would go round and round till I dropped you.

Nobody fucks with my, Ree  :-*
Title: Re: One Place Mel Gibson Won't be
Post by toonzboss on Aug 1st, 2006, 11:36pm
Exactly Ree!!!!!!   I'd like to see the jackass with the cajones to stop me from paying to see his next movie as well as buying it on DVD, just as I did when "The Passion" came out, and it was a masterpiece!! Yall get comfortable,  First whoever says that Passion was anti-semetic is a jackass, read the book it was taken from, the Bible, duh!!!!!!!!   Secondly my man Mel can get drunk and run his mouth all he wants to,  IMO the truly dangerous thing he did was DWI and thats it!  I happen to be a recovering drunk myself,  sober for 21 years and if I got my panties in a wad about what a drunk says I would have ended it all a long time ago.  The guy is doing something about the drinking, damn if the worst thing in his drunkalogue is this garbage, well its gonna be a short meeting!  BTW  I have no problem with Jewish people nor any other demographic,  I get pissed off at people going off the damn deepend for this stupid trivial shit!  Jeez get a freaking life!





on 07/31/06 at 21:07:49, Ree wrote:
I personally love the guy... I only believe 1/2 of what I hear and almost none of what I read......and everybody is human ~~~"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"~~~

I've met alot of people in this life and I haven't met a perfect one yet..... Gods love to you all and especially Mr Gibson who had a human moment....and OH MY GOOODNES GOT CAUGHT IN A CAR DRUNK...... I HAVE NEVER DONE THAT HAVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU???????
REE


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