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(Message started by: ShariRae on Jul 26th, 2006, 11:54pm)
Title: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by ShariRae on Jul 26th, 2006, 11:54pm
OMG...Is it just me..or does this seem soooo wrong to you too? Realeased on OR..r u kiddin me?


Jul 26, 2006 - Four Lockport teenagers accused of raping a disabled girl have pleaded not guilty .. and they're all out of jail tonight. Prosecutors decided not to hold a felony hearing today .. so by law, the suspects were set free until their next court date.

16 year olds Dontre Woods and Nicholas Smith are charged with first degree rape and first degree sexual abuse -- after the alleged sexual assault of a disabled 15 year old girl. Prosecutors say it happened at Woods house on Lock Street back on May 12th...that it lasted for an hour and a half...and that they allegedly used a broom handle. Police say it was recorded on a cell phone, but the video clip was deleted.

Two other 16 year olds were allegedly involved. Dartaine Ubiles also faces rape and sexual assault charges...while Antonio Sheppard faces lesser charges of promoting and possessing a sexual performance by a child. Neither Sheppard nor his attorney had anything to say as Sheppard was released on 5 thousand dollars bail. Antonio Sheppard: "I'm waiting for my lawyer right now. i'm not talking on that." Earl Key, defense attorney: "At this point we have no comment. Reporter: Did this happen? At this point we have no comment."

Woods, Smith and Ubiles were released on their own recognizance. Anthony Lana, Smith's defense attorney: "The prosecution decided to not subject the witness to cross examination and decided not to go forward with the hearing." Peter Wydysh, Assistant District Attorney: "Our office chose not to run the felony hearing today because for one the witness was unavailable."

So by law...those three suspects were let go. "Reporter: "Should anybody be worried that they're out on the streets? No...if we felt that that was going to be a significant issue, we would've run the hearing."

An order of protection was issued on all four suspects - they must stay away from the alleged victim. It's likely the case will be presented to a grand jury. The defendants are due back in court august 30th.

Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by alienspacebabe on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:03am
Rapists - the best use of the death penalty, imho
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:26am

on 07/27/06 at 00:03:02, alienspacebabe wrote:
Rapists - the best use of the death penalty, imho

Maybe we should wait until the trial and verdict before carrying out the sentence?
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by kissmyglass on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:30am

on 07/27/06 at 00:26:58, CHTom wrote:
Maybe we should wait until the trial and verdict before carrying out the sentence?

Nope, hang em by the balls on national TV.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:39am

on 07/27/06 at 00:30:06, kissmyglass wrote:
Nope, hang em by the balls on national TV.


It appears that you must have been one of the judges at the Salem Witch Trials in a past life.  I really hope that you are never accused of a crime that you didn't commit and are sentenced before the verdict was in-just because the alleged crime was horrible it doesn't mean that those accused are guilty, or maybe you don't care if a person is guilty or not, so long as "someone" is punished, maybe as an "example"?; sick point of view you have.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Mrs Deej on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:45am

on 07/27/06 at 00:39:05, CHTom wrote:
sick point of view you have

What if this was your daughter?  Would your point of view be different.  I'm all about "innocent until proven gulity"...but c'mon!
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 1:06am
But c'mon what?  The trial hasn't been held but you want to execute the accused before they are proven guilty?  If it were my daughter who was raped, I'd want to make sure that they got the right guys; what if it were your son who was accused and you knew that he was innocent-would you still want him "hung by the balls"?  Come to think of it, it sounds like you (and others) would.  I'll bet you consider yourself a "patriotic American", but the Bill of Rights and the Constitution appear to be an inconvenience to you-you seem to want revenge, whether the person if guilty or not; think about it.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jul 27th, 2006, 1:23am
A disabled girl ?? Unbelievable--If they find them guilty---and they will--they should give them the most severe punishment the law provides. If they go to prison--they're as good as dead.The hardened criminals will eat em alive.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Yorky on Jul 27th, 2006, 2:45am
dont be a viggalante(yea right)
but i hope this poor girl gets justice...over their?
frking rapists...gang culture......
roll on 30 aug.....
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Carl_D on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:09am
If they are proven guilty - then they should not be allowed to have genitals!!! Nor should they be allowed to have oxygen!!!
In some countries if you are caught stealing, they cut off your hands. 'Nuff said!
>:(
Carl D
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by ShariRae on Jul 27th, 2006, 7:20am
Keep in mind they video taped it...and kids at school saw it....they bragged about it...and to the news cameras, as he was being lead out of court..the one kid shouted "She wanted it"...IF it were my daughter...there would be no trial for them...they would be dead before they ever saw the inside of a courtroom..the only trial would be for me...and it would be worth it...

Just my opinion

Shari
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by rickyshot on Jul 27th, 2006, 7:58am
I have always been draconian about murders, rapists and child molesters and abusers of children. All of the above if found guilty by trial should be put to death pure and simple. Keeping perpetators of heinous crimes indefinitely in jail is a waste of taxpayers money. And if at 16 one rapes someone with a broom handle (mind you if found guilty) there is no rehab or cure in sight for such a sick individual and they should be put out of civilized society. The problem is we don't protect our victums, or young in this society no matter how much lip service is done.

Look at that crazy bitch getting a slap on her wrist for killing all of her children. If she truly is psychotic then don't let her EVER see the light of day.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by JenniferD on Jul 27th, 2006, 8:21am

on 07/27/06 at 07:20:09, ShariRae wrote:
Keep in mind they video taped it...and kids at school saw it....they bragged about it...and to the news cameras, as he was being lead out of court..the one kid shouted "She wanted it"...IF it were my daughter...there would be no trial for them...they would be dead before they ever saw the inside of a courtroom..the only trial would be for me...and it would be worth it...

Just my opinion

Shari


I am totally with you on this one Shari. If ANYONE ever tries to hurt one of my kids there would be no hesitation on my part and I sure as hell won't be waiting for the f'ed up judicial system to do anything. They'd get mom justice & it won't be pretty.

Jen
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Tom K on Jul 27th, 2006, 8:28am

on 07/27/06 at 07:58:35, rickyshot wrote:
I have always been draconian about murders, rapists and child molesters and abusers of children. All of the above if found guilty by trial should be put to death pure and simple. Keeping perpetators of heinous crimes indefinitely in jail is a waste of taxpayers money. And if at 16 one rapes someone with a broom handle (mind you if found guilty) there is no rehab or cure in sight for such a sick individual and they should be put out of civilized society. The problem is we don't protect our victums, or young in this society no matter how much lip service is done.

Look at that crazy bitch getting a slap on her wrist for killing all of her children. If she truly is psychotic then don't let her EVER see the light of day.


X2!  If they are not guilty by reason of insanity, then strap them to Ol' Sparky and tell them that it is a ride...
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by rickyshot on Jul 27th, 2006, 8:47am
Nuff people got off on that inanity garbage that should be gone.  WE can't seem to tell the differnece between true evil (sociopathy which there is no cure) or insanity. If truly insane lock up for life cause they ain't no cure. WE shoot rabid dogs and don't let them run loose in society.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 8:49am
So we are fighting a war in Iraq to bring democracy to that country, but over here it is OK to throw the constitution out of the window BEFORE a trial and kill suspects....what is wrong with this picture?  Hell, why not execute every felon in prison-it sure would save us a lot of money and why go through the time and expense of a trial?  Let's just hang the suspects and I'm sure that by the law of averages we will have executed some guilty people; as for the innocents killed, what the hell, their death will put the fear of god into real criminals.  By the way, how many of you who favor killing peope before they are convicted go to church on Sundays or consider yourselves "religious"?  As I wrote earlier, if it were your son or daughter accused of a crime, I seriously doubt that you'd want them executed without a trial first, or maybe I'm wrong about that-"Kill them all and let god sort it out."
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Tom K on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:01am

on 07/27/06 at 08:49:11, CHTom wrote:
So we are fighting a war in Iraq to bring democracy to that country, but over here it is OK to throw the constitution out of the window BEFORE a trial and kill suspects....what is wrong with this picture?  Hell, why not execute every felon in prison-it sure would save us a lot of money and why go through the time and expense of a trial?  Let's just hang the suspects and I'm sure that by the law of averages we will have executed some guilty people; as for the innocents killed, what the hell, their death will put the fear of god into real criminals.  By the way, how many of you who favor killing peope before they are convicted go to church on Sundays or consider yourselves "religious"?  As I wrote earlier, if it were your son or daughter accused of a crime, I seriously doubt that you'd want them executed without a trial first, or maybe I'm wrong about that-"Kill them all and let god sort it out."


And how many people that are anti-death penality are pro-abortion?  From what I have read, most people on this thread have stated "if found guilty", have fun arguing with yourself.  
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:08am

on 07/27/06 at 08:28:03, Tom K wrote:
X2!  If they are not guilty by reason of insanity, then strap them to Ol' Sparky and tell them that it is a ride...

You're one to talk-read your quote.  Maybe you'd get some thrill putting people to death-try sex, it is more fun.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:17am
I can almost agree with CHTom on this, they do have a right to due process.  But they should still face a penalty for thier actions, if convicted.  This has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.  Maybe you should read my quote, Tom, just try to deny the facts of that one.  ;;D
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:22am

on 07/27/06 at 09:17:49, thomas wrote:
I can almost agree with CHTom on this, they do have a right to due process.  But they should still face a penalty for thier actions, if convicted.  This has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.  Maybe you should read my quote, Tom, just try to deny the facts of that one.  ;;D


What facts?  Take a mentally ill person and electricute them and get them to sit in the chair by telling them that it is a ride?  You must be taking your clusterbuster dose of LSD right now, so perhaps you don't realize how little sense you are making.
By the way, have you ever served in the military or been a cop and actually killed someone?  It really isn't fun.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:34am

on 07/27/06 at 09:22:03, CHTom wrote:
What facts?  Take a mentally ill person and electricute them and get them to sit in the chair by telling them that it is a ride?  You must be taking your clusterbuster dose of LSD right now, so perhaps you don't realize how little sense you are making.
By the way, have you ever served in the military or been a cop and actually killed someone?  It really isn't fun.


Dipshit....... the facts of the quote at the bottom of my posts.  You must be the one on mind-altering drugs at the moment.  Perhaps you didn't see the part where I said "I almost agree with YOU."  But no, your main reason for posting is to stir shit up, no matter what.  It's your entertainment.  I should have known better to get involved in a thread that has 20% CHTom content.  And yes I have served in the military.  Where and when is of no concern to you.  It must hurt so much to be so bitter.  Have you sought counseling or do you self-medicate?
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Tom K on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:38am

on 07/27/06 at 09:22:03, CHTom wrote:
What facts?  Take a mentally ill person and electricute them and get them to sit in the chair by telling them that it is a ride?  You must be taking your clusterbuster dose of LSD right now, so perhaps you don't realize how little sense you are making.
By the way, have you ever served in the military or been a cop and actually killed someone?  It really isn't fun.



Put the bong down and realize that Thomas and Tom K are two totally different people.  The line about putting someone in the Chair and throwing the switch is called humor...Get over your bad self... ::)
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:48am

on 07/27/06 at 09:38:46, Tom K wrote:
Put the bong down and realize that Thomas and Tom K are two totally different people.


Yeah, but we're both big, bad mofos. lol.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by rickyshot on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:51am
No one is going to change anyone's mind and that is not the purpose of my posts. We state our views and opinions.

How the hell did the war in Iraq get into this. Far stretch to make a point.

I stand by my stance and comments. No one is going to change my mind there.

If the evidence shows by video etc that this 16 year old did the deed then he is beyond evil and nothing can be done. This is a despicable crime and we have to face that not all people walking around are good. There is evil in this world.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:56am

on 07/27/06 at 09:51:11, rickyshot wrote:
How the hell did the war in Iraq get into this. Far stretch to make a point.



That's good ol' CHTom for ya. :D
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 10:20am

on 07/27/06 at 09:56:14, thomas wrote:
That's good ol' CHTom for ya. :D


Why thank you for the compliment, Thomas!
The world can be an evil place and if those guys are found guilty then they should be punished, but let them have their day(s) in court first.  By the way, I really don't think that the remarks about electrocution, hanging by the balls, cutting balls off, etc. were meant to be humourous, but they are funny because I'll bet that anyone who suggested those punishments would faint or soil themselves and pass out if given the chance to be the executioner.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 10:26am

on 07/27/06 at 10:20:22, CHTom wrote:
Why thank you for the compliment, Thomas!
The world can be an evil place and if those guys are found guilty then they should be punished, but let them have their day(s) in court first.  By the way, I really don't think that the remarks about electrocution, hanging by the balls, cutting balls off, etc. were meant to be humourous, but they are funny because I'll bet that anyone who suggested those punishments would faint or soil themselves and pass out if given the chance to be the executioner.


When are you going to get your head OUT of your ass, and look at what I posted on this topic.  I talked of due process, never mentioned any cruel and unusual punishment, but I see you suffer from liberalism which has proven to be a mental illness, because no one can have such a lack of common sense with out having some type of brain damage.  You can't address ANY fucking thing I have said in this thread.  Instead you make blanket comments directed to me, referencing things said by other people.  And people wonder why I think we should have intelligence tests for parents.


Edit to correct misspelling that was so eloquently pointed out by CHTom.  
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 10:49am
[smiley=baby.gif] [smiley=baby.gif]
on 07/27/06 at 10:26:23, thomas wrote:
When are you going to get your head OUT of your ass, and look at what I posted on this topic.  I talked of due process, never mentioned any cruel and unusual punishment, but I see you suffer from liberalism which has proven to be a mental illness, because no one can have such a lack of common sense with out having some type of brain damage.  You can't address ANY fucking thing I have said in this tread.  Instead you make blanket comments directed to me, referencing things said by other people.  And people wonder why I think we should have intelligence tests for parents.

Now let us not get grandiose and paranoid, Thomas.  I never wrote that you suggested all of those punishments and have not made any "blanket" comments directed at you (my comments are specific and I do NOT want to get under a blanket with you:)); you mentioned having intelligence tests for parenthood-please study your English a bit more, the word is "thread" and not "tread" as in "You can't address any
fucking thing that I have said in this "tread"."  I think that now I will go and make some more babies and all of the boys will be named Thomas and the girls will be named Thomasina and I won't pay for their support so you will have to from your taxes because where I live I don't pay any, so there! [smiley=baby.gif] [smiley=baby.gif]
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Ghost on Jul 27th, 2006, 10:52am
I am all for procedure and all but when you have a-holes admitt and showed video to friends, to me the procedure at that point is castration then released into general population tatooed on there foreheads what they did. Problem will be solved rather quickly. Also they should pay to be kept there or work while there to pay for there food and bed. 0 sympathy for rapist, child molestors, and the like. If they make it to court and found not guilty because of some bs technicality then Her Dad needs to go hunting. Vigilantee justice sometimes is right.

Mike
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 10:57am

on 07/27/06 at 10:49:19, CHTom wrote:
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Now let us not get grandiose and paranoid, Thomas.  I never wrote that you suggested all of those punishments and have not made any "blanket" comments directed at you (my comments are specific and I do NOT want to get under a blanket with you:)); you mentioned having intelligence tests for parenthood-please study your English a bit more, the word is "thread" and not "tread" as in "You can't address any
fucking thing that I have said in this "tread"."  I think that now I will go and make some more babies and all of the boys will be named Thomas and the girls will be named Thomasina and I won't pay for their support so you will have to from your taxes because where I live I don't pay any, so there! [smiley=baby.gif] [smiley=baby.gif]



When you quote me, then reference those other things, you are indeed saying that I said them.  Logic is your friend, try to incorporate it into your everyday life.  Oh wait, I forgot you suffer from the L disease, you can't access the parts of your brain that allow you to think logically.  ;)
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 11:08am

on 07/27/06 at 09:17:49, thomas wrote:
I can almost agree with CHTom on this, they do have a right to due process.  But they should still face a penalty for thier actions, if convicted.  This has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.  Maybe you should read my quote, Tom, just try to deny the facts of that one.  ;;D



I posted this, referencing my quote "We live in the land of the free, solely because of the actions and sacrifices of the brave."  And this is how you responded.


on 07/27/06 at 09:22:03, CHTom wrote:
What facts?  Take a mentally ill person and electricute them and get them to sit in the chair by telling them that it is a ride?  You must be taking your clusterbuster dose of LSD right now, so perhaps you don't realize how little sense you are making.
By the way, have you ever served in the military or been a cop and actually killed someone?  It really isn't fun.



Based on your response (responce if you live in the UK), I come to the conclusion that you sir, are indeed a lunatic.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by theOtherCharlie on Jul 27th, 2006, 11:08am
Wow,

Just switched my home page to the CH blog to try to get more involved... you'all really get into the schtick in this room! I'll most likely get chaffed for my entry but here goes...

Seems we in America...or perhaps society in general, are getting very reactionary and loosing touch with the compassion and kindness that supposedly separates us from beast... Our society... lead by our leaders, filtered by our media, fired-up by our religious icons, funneled by our short attention spans, and fueled by our egos and fears... has turned us into very unkind, un-godlike, disconnected, reactionary peoples.

First these children, who've potentially done a most heinous thing... at 15 and 16 most psychologists and physicians would tell you they have not yet formed their mature mind... this is the time of rebellion and exploration and extremism... tell me none of you ever were extreme at that age. The fact that their degree of extremism is so vile and abusive... is reprehensible and inexcusable. That is why the folks who tried to make this nation... built a system of checks and balances, and a penile code and justice system to give fair and equitable oversight and justice for both victim and perp.

There is a reason the juvenile code was enacted separating the mature adult population from the developing and experimenting youth population... and there is ample argument that perhaps 18 is too old, that 16 or 15 would be better... some argue 12 or 13... to try people as adults.

I've got serious issues with that and I'd think clusters would too... seeing as we can't figure out what's in our brains that causes these real nightmares... how on earth would we be first to cast a stone at children who's brains haven't even finished developing? - Again... I'm all for justice and punishment. But I feel the actions of these adolescents, while abhorrent, are reactions to their environment at this time in their development... and many of the responses expressed here on this thread... are factors that in many ways encourage this kind of behavior... our ultimate justice, cowboy-get a rope, attitude runs against our human nature, our cherished ideas and our higher selves. Haven't we evolved beyond apes in the wild... must we strike first and not even question reality...

Again, I'm not saying let em go (if convicted) and I find it appalling that anyone awaiting trial after being caught with great certainty (ken Lay, Jeff Skilling, OJ Simpson) should be free to walk the streets while their victims suffer.

But this is my problem... Iraq and Palestine fit squarely into the scope of this post... Here we banter about cowboy justice and the virtues of life and democracy and justice when our own system is neither Democratic, Just nor functional... across the world we speak of liberty and justice, when we are the greatest transgressors of both those beliefs... our nation has created genocidal unrest in a sovereign nation for no reason, our leaders have admitted there were no links to 9/11, there were no WMDs, we already captured Saddham... which was one of the reasons.... but now the reason is to spread democracy?

So we create a civil war that had 100+ "very-late term abortions" happening every day... to civilians... many ...young disabled girls. And we don't see the connection? Help me with this one.

Where do you think they get ideas of cruel and inhumane treatment.... if not from our own actions abroad? From what we regularly do to detainees and unfortunate citizens? Why not talk of the soldiers who raped a fifteen year old iraqi girl they'd seen in their dialy raids... they executed her and burned her body, then killed her father, mother and two siblings... and in response, the neighborhood executed two "contractors"... we responded by annihilating the city... before independent media broke the story about the military's attempt to cover it up... and what about Tillman, NFL player-turned soldier, killed by friendly fire... but covered up by our leaders until exposed.... And though the extreme violence and police-state television programming we allow on our networks.

And now in Palestine... the first democratic elections in their history and the leadership they chose is not "good" enough for us... so we destroy the nation and its allies though our puppet bully Israel??? and we're talking about cowboy justice for these kids? Shame.

sorry... big post... but this is a topic we should be talking about ... it effects all of us... and will deeply effect our children's children.... more of whom will behave as these disturbed youth allegedly did with that poor girl.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 11:11am

on 07/27/06 at 11:08:41, theOtherCharlie wrote:
Seems we in America...or perhaps society in general, are getting very reactionary and loosing touch with the compassion and kindness that supposedly separates us from beast... Our society... lead by our leaders, filtered by our media, fired-up by our religious icons, funneled by our short attention spans, and fueled by our egos and fears... has turned us into very unkind, un-godlike, disconnected, reactionary peoples.




You forgot the communist influenced public education system, which has probably had a lot more influence on these children than anything else you mentioned.

Welcome aboard. ;;D
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by BlueMeanie on Jul 27th, 2006, 11:30am

on 07/27/06 at 00:26:58, CHTom wrote:
Maybe we should wait until the trial and verdict before carrying out the sentence?


I think most likely, the prosecutors did the right thing. I know you think I'm crazy about right now.  ;;D

We have not seen the video and most everything that's been written is second hand news. The guys who did this (and it's probably 99.9% true) are NOT a threat to go out and do it again. They're stupid kids with no brains and could care less about others. They are not sex crazed sickos' who have a need to do it again.

Most likely, the prosecutors don't have every "I" dotted and "T" crossed. There's enough evidince, but not enough to insure a gulty verdict at this point. (Who held the stick, who just watched, who didn't try to stop it, etc. etc. etc.) Think about it, there's not a topic here that we could find 10 clusterheads to ALL agree. I'd much prefer they get it right instead of rushing and allowing 1 idiot juror to vote not guilty because they have their doubts.

With what seems to be excellent evidence, (thank god), those sick bastards will get their punishment soon.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Tom K on Jul 27th, 2006, 11:32am
Have to agree with Thomas on this one, yet again.  Parents don't raise their children anymore, it is left to the school system.  With public schools dumbing down the education that the students are receiving, this sort of thing happens because "They have low self-esteem...", "My parents didn't love me...", "I got an F on a test...", blah, blah, blah.  If at 16 years old, you don't know that raping a diabled girl is wrong, then what the fuck?  TOC talks about their brains not being fully developed and that all of it is an influence of the media, and Right Wing Conspearicies(sp).  Oh please.  Maybe if the ACLU didn't fight laws that let cops arrest known gang members for hanging out on the street corner together, things would be different.  Maybe if prison was less enjoyable than life on the streets, some of the repeat offenders wouldn't repeat.  Maybe if the people in the neighborhoods where crime took place would open their mouths and turn in the people who commit the crime.  Maybe things like the beatings in Milwaukee wouldn't happen.  It's not a vast Right Wing Conspearicy(sp), it is a mind set, driven by the Liberal feel good, explain every wrong action away, not take responsibility for one's actions drivel.  

Glad you could make it to the boards, TOC. ;;D  Great meeting you at MilCon.  I suppose Flo and Charlie The Original, will be finding their way to this thread soon enough...
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 11:37am
See to me it's flawed logic that this should even be a left vs right discussion.  So many people have at each other over shit like this, where if you just opened your eyes and could see logic, it wouldn't be necessary for a discussion.  But we are so far gone we are almost past the point of ever being a unified nation again.  It's really sad.  Politics and politicians have very few answers for anything, yet the public seems to turn to them or entertainers for answers.  People used to be able to think for themselves, but we are breeding that right out of our population.  
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 11:52am

on 07/27/06 at 11:11:28, thomas wrote:
You forgot the communist influenced public education system, which has probably had a lot more influence on these children than anything else you mentioned.

Welcome aboard. ;;D


What Communist influenced pubic education system?  Since there are only 2 or 3 Communist countries, you must be speaking of the Communist education system that existed before the fall of the Berlin Wall-and all of those Commie infected kids grew up and elected Georgie Bush, who started a war under false pretenses (he lied-WMD indeed!) and with his wonderful cabinet failed to plan for the  possibility of an insurgency against us being in Iraq and now we are stuck there, having lost about 2,500 troops and about 15,000 wounded, has bankrupted our country, ailienated our allies, caused our economy to go down the toilet while giving his rich friends so many tax breaks that I'll probably be paying more income tax than Ross Perot and the list goes on.  We are in a war that we cannot win and this time George and Co. cannot blame the "leftist (i.e., anyone who disagrees with them)" politicians like they did for Vietnam because Congress is letting George do whatever he wants-even flush parts of the Constitution down the toilet by allowing torture of prisoners, holding prisoners without charges in Guantanamo Bay, illegally monitoring telephone conversations of US citizens, etc., etc., etc.  We should be greatful that George cannot serve another term and we have to be hopeful that the Democrats get themselves together and win the next election for President.  They have a chance to regain control of both houses of congress this year and let us hope that they do so.  I believe that the current group of Republicans in congress, following their "leader", would do away with the Bill of Rights and the Constitution were it not for the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans are showing their innate common sense and are against Bush and his policies and recognize the danger that he poses to our civil liberties, which past wars were fought to maintain.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by karma on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:00pm
The fact that they were released has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. Pretrial detention or release is based on two main questions.
1) are they a danger to themselves or society?
2) are they a flight risk?
That is from a legal perspective.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Melissa on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:01pm
Is this thread about Iraq or some 16 yr old kids accused of rape??

I must have missed something somewhere... [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:02pm

on 07/27/06 at 12:01:46, Melissa wrote:
I must have missed something somewhere... [smiley=huh.gif]


You're not the only one.  ;)
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:19pm
[quote author=Tom K link=board=general;num=1153972486;start=25#34 date=07/27/06 at 11:32:03]Have to agree with Thomas on this one, yet again.  Parents don't raise their children anymore, it is left to the school system.  With public schools dumbing down the education that the students are receiving, this sort of thing happens because "They have low self-esteem...", "My parents didn't love me...", "I got an F on a test...", blah, blah, blah.  If at 16 years old, you don't know that raping a diabled girl is wrong, then what the fuck?  TOC talks about their brains not being fully developed and that all of it is an influence of the media, and Right Wing Conspearicies(sp).  Oh please.  Maybe if the ACLU didn't fight laws that let cops arrest known gang members for hanging out on the street corner together, things would be different.  Maybe if prison was less enjoyable than life on the streets, some of the repeat offenders wouldn't repeat.  Maybe if the people in the neighborhoods where crime took place would open their mouths and turn in the people who commit the crime.  Maybe things like the beatings in Milwaukee wouldn't happen.  It's not a vast Right Wing Conspearicy(sp), it is a mind set, driven by the Liberal feel good, explain every wrong action away, not take responsibility for one's actions drivel.  

Ahh, the Great Liberal Feel Good Conspiracy!  The Evil ACLU!  Parents still have a greater influence on their children than the schools; gang members or not, the Constitution allows freedom of assembly, and if known gang members are hanging out, that is not (yet) a crime.  I suspect that were you alive during the Revolutionary War you would have sided with the British-imagine, allowing the PEOPLE to criticize the government!  I'm sure that you'd also like known Liberals arrested if they were hanging out on the streetcorner together-surely they must be plotting something!  I'd rather have a chaotic land than one in which the government dictated what we said, who we could hang out with, what we thought-that is called Freedom, which was what the Revolutionary War and the Civil War were all about, as well as WWI and WWII.  If you want to live in a place where the government controlled just about everything, considering moving to Red China, but hurry up, because democracy is starting to show its evil head there too.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by theOtherCharlie on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:21pm
Well, we're onto something now.... sorry for the curve ball... but not really.

It brings up many valid issues... first lets try to refrain from attacking eachother as it leads to division. I just got here, I don't want tot escorted to the door in the first post!

We've all got rights and we've all got opinions. We got our rights from the constitution and God willing we'll have a few of them left after this administration has its way... Left or Right you best wake up and read the facts. We are entering a new world order that oddly enough, rings more fascist than democratic... and that is based on fact... not opinion.

How exactly it played out - who said what, who did what..when... is a matter for divissive rhetoric. But the fact remains that since the 1980s, we (America) has been on a very different course than most of us realize.

The gap between rich, ultra-rich, medium and poor has changed dramatically. Also the way our government was meant to work has changed. In those years we've watched news form our views... til now, our views are no longer based in facts... but rather opinions, morals, and outright deception.

We talk about a disabled girl... (yes I referred to an Iraqi... but I think they are human too... at least President Bush at one time said we were going in to fight to help iraqi citizens...) We  talk about a disable girl and an alleged rape... but what we are really talking about is our view of how the system should work...

so lets stop the toe-tapping and begin the dance. What is the state of the system... and how did it get so bad... and facts only please... I know its easy to quote some rush limbaugh opinion, but we should at least honor reality as we go on this path.... if we go on this path.

Oh and great post about letting the boys go til proven guilty... you're right.
It just would be nice if we could have speedier trials... but we're too busy arresting everyone...its a fact that we are Number 1 for most prisoner per capita in not only the developed world, but even in the non-developed world. Prison Nation.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by LeLimey on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:26pm
Time to remind everyone that the troll known in this instance as CHTom (and blimey we've known him by a few names haven't we?!) gets off on this sort of thing.
Don't respond to him and you cut off his circulation. You can't reason with a mad dog folks.
Frankly, he isn't worth it.

Oh and Thomas? He is living in the Hague, Holland just so you know!  ;)
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Mattrf on Jul 27th, 2006, 12:36pm
The act itself enrages me to no end, but our legal system is what it is and your are nascent until proven guilty so we have to put up with this so the few wrongly accused do not sit in jail until there trial. Having said that, if convicted they should be castrated by hanging them from a flag pole by there balls until they rip off, then locked up for the rest of there lives. To do such a thing to any women is unforgivable but to do it to a disable girl, dam how low can you be, I hope god has a special place waiting for these little monsters.

Matt
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Tom K on Jul 27th, 2006, 1:03pm
TOC, for your info, I've had my beliefs and morals far before Rush ever came into being.  Making a statement like that is atune to saying that everything that you say is a repeat of Al Franken.  That said, the people resonsible for raping the Iraqi girl should be court martialed and dealt with in the same manner as the kids who raped the girl in the original story...have their balls chompped off by a rabid pit bull.  Do I agree that the media is giving more opinion than fact, you bet I do.  Everyone wants to point to Fox News as being Right Wing.  Well, at least they don't hide the fact.  The major networks and CNN are Left Wing and try to hide that fact as much as possible.  Yes, there were no WMDs that we found, yes the intel was flawed.  Does that change the fact that we did something good?  I know plenty of people who have been "In Country" and they all say that the Iraqi people are very greatful for what we have done.  Yes, 2500 have been KIA and 15000 have been wounded, it sucks, I don't like it but it is a war after all.  Some where everyone forgot that people really do die in war.  

The whole region is better off with Saddam out of there.  It is cliche to say that "History will tell if this was right or wrong", well none of us will be around for that.  But what if, just maybe, the media isn't giving us the whole story and what President Bush has done is really the right thing?  What would you do if it was found out that the media hid facts of WMDs from the public?  If we were really making a major difference in the lives of the Iraqi people?  What if the NYT story about the bank transaction tracing really netted some Al Qaida dealings leading to tracking Bin Laden?  What if the phone taps netted the location of Bin Laden operatives?  Would you say that it was trashing the Constitution or using it to bring these evil people to justice?
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 1:23pm

on 07/27/06 at 12:21:43, theOtherCharlie wrote:
Well, we're onto something now.... sorry for the curve ball... but not really.

It brings up many valid issues... first lets try to refrain from attacking eachother as it leads to division. I just got here, I don't want tot escorted to the door in the first post!

We've all got rights and we've all got opinions. We got our rights from the constitution and God willing we'll have a few of them left after this administration has its way... Left or Right you best wake up and read the facts. We are entering a new world order that oddly enough, rings more fascist than democratic... and that is based on fact... not opinion.

How exactly it played out - who said what, who did what..when... is a matter for divissive rhetoric. But the fact remains that since the 1980s, we (America) has been on a very different course than most of us realize.

The gap between rich, ultra-rich, medium and poor has changed dramatically. Also the way our government was meant to work has changed. In those years we've watched news form our views... til now, our views are no longer based in facts... but rather opinions, morals, and outright deception.

We talk about a disabled girl... (yes I referred to an Iraqi... but I think they are human too... at least President Bush at one time said we were going in to fight to help iraqi citizens...) We  talk about a disable girl and an alleged rape... but what we are really talking about is our view of how the system should work...

so lets stop the toe-tapping and begin the dance. What is the state of the system... and how did it get so bad... and facts only please... I know its easy to quote some rush limbaugh opinion, but we should at least honor reality as we go on this path.... if we go on this path.

Oh and great post about letting the boys go til proven guilty... you're right.
It just would be nice if we could have speedier trials... but we're too busy arresting everyone...its a fact that we are Number 1 for most prisoner per capita in not only the developed world, but even in the non-developed world. Prison Nation.

You and I see things a lot alike.  Glad to see some one else who can see the truth.  The only thing I take issue with is "this administration", we started down the wrong road a long, long time before G.W. was even a gleam in G.H.'s eye.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 1:32pm
And as far as Limbaugh goes, the only people who take HIM seriously is people on the left.  I see him for what he really is, a great entertainer.
Title: d Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Carl_D on Jul 27th, 2006, 2:19pm
don't feed the trolls.  8)
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by CHTom on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:06pm

on 07/27/06 at 13:03:00, Tom K wrote:
TOC, for your info, I've had my beliefs and morals far before Rush ever came into being.  Making a statement like that is atune to saying that everything that you say is a repeat of Al Franken.  That said, the people resonsible for raping the Iraqi girl should be court martialed and dealt with in the same manner as the kids who raped the girl in the original story...have their balls chompped off by a rabid pit bull.  Do I agree that the media is giving more opinion than fact, you bet I do.  Everyone wants to point to Fox News as being Right Wing.  Well, at least they don't hide the fact.  The major networks and CNN are Left Wing and try to hide that fact as much as possible.  Yes, there were no WMDs that we found, yes the intel was flawed.  Does that change the fact that we did something good?  I know plenty of people who have been "In Country" and they all say that the Iraqi people are very greatful for what we have done.  Yes, 2500 have been KIA and 15000 have been wounded, it sucks, I don't like it but it is a war after all.  Some where everyone forgot that people really do die in war.  

The whole region is better off with Saddam out of there.  It is cliche to say that "History will tell if this was right or wrong", well none of us will be around for that.  But what if, just maybe, the media isn't giving us the whole story and what President Bush has done is really the right thing?  What would you do if it was found out that the media hid facts of WMDs from the public?  If we were really making a major difference in the lives of the Iraqi people?  What if the NYT story about the bank transaction tracing really netted some Al Qaida dealings leading to tracking Bin Laden?  What if the phone taps netted the location of Bin Laden operatives?  Would you say that it was trashing the Constitution or using it to bring these evil people to justice?

Study history-governments that become dictatorships usually start out by ignoring the rights of those considered "enemies of the people"; government organizations are built to monitor and catch these enemies, then the people become the enemies because they disapprove with what the government is doing.  It has happened over and over and we never learn.  If we, as citizens, are expected to obey the law then the governments should also obey the law without exception.  Anything less, for any reason and you wind up with dictatorship and loss of freedom.  There are constitutional methods in place for the government to get search warrents to legally find out if a person or group is doing something illegal.  If those procedures are ignored, we are all in danger-the greatest danger to any people is there own government and that is why the founding fathers set up a system of checks and balances.  Ignore it at your own peril.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by theOtherCharlie on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:13pm
Thanks everyone... its nice to see democracy is still alive and well in this blogsphere.... ya gotta have em swingin right and swinging left to find center...

but it would be nice if we all understood the facts... not the fiction. Fox at least admits it??? WMD was bad intel??? wow what a wonderful world we live in when wrong is rewarded with admission of guilt.... oh... we must be in Ralphie Reed's world... I don't like it there.... bad things happen and people are fooled to thinking its okay. And worst of all... the rules don't apply to the believers. Try stealing a car and saying your sorry... try embezzling a corporation and say your sorry, try claiming insurance fraud and apologize.... try skipping your taxes and see what a good whole-hearted "I'm sorry" will get ya.... not what its gotten Limbaugh, Abermoff, Skilling, DeLay, Libby Cheney and Bush.

Whats good for the goose is not good for the gander... but perhaps its better to pretend it is.... makes you feel more self-righteous.

oops, there. I've gone and tossed a perfectly good piece of meat to the trolls. Apologies to the rest of you.

gee besides bing very time consumptive, this is pretty fun.

have a great day... everyone... even Tom
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:22pm
Who killed Vince Foster?  Who killed Chandra Levy?  What happend to Ron Brown?
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by theOtherCharlie on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:28pm
your the only one choosing sides.... I haven't said one's better than the other... they both don't represent the majority of the nation... Clinton just stumped for Lieberman... how many Dems voted to keep killing Paletinians...

but what about Paul Wellstone?
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Carl_D on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:29pm

on 07/27/06 at 15:22:00, thomas wrote:
Who killed Vince Foster?  Who killed Chandra Levy?  What happend to Ron Brown?


Exactly!!!
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:35pm

on 07/27/06 at 15:28:15, theOtherCharlie wrote:
your the only one choosing sides.... I haven't said one's better than the other... they both don't represent the majority of the nation... Clinton just stumped for Lieberman... how many Dems voted to keep killing Paletinians...

but what about Paul Wellstone?

If you think I'm choosing sides, you don't know me very well, at all.  There is only ONE politician in D.C. that I have even one ounce of respect for and he happens to be a democrat, they are all crooks, thieves, liars, pimps, scum, wastes of human flesh.  I find it amusing how everyone seems to think these dregs of society have all the answers, where in reality they should ALL be executed as enemies of the Constitution.  That's a fact, not an opinion.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by JeffB on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:42pm

on 07/27/06 at 09:22:03, CHTom wrote:
What facts?  Take a mentally ill person and electricute them and get them to sit in the chair by telling them that it is a ride?  You must be taking your clusterbuster dose of LSD right now, so perhaps you don't realize how little sense you are making.
By the way, have you ever served in the military or been a cop and actually killed someone?  It really isn't fun.


Put a mentally ill person in an electric chair and tell them it's a ride???
ROTFLMMAO. Jesus h Christ thats some funny shit!....I can't stop laughing........ [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by brewcrew on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:46pm
Regarding the original topic of this thread, two words would keep the vast majority of people happy (i.e., keep these alleged scum away from society and be in compliance with the rule of law):

Bail denied.

Now, next topic?
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Tom K on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:48pm

on 07/27/06 at 15:13:15, theOtherCharlie wrote:
have a great day... everyone... even Tom


Nice...well I guess you got me... ::)

Since when, getting back to the original subject of this thread for a moment, do we have to understand the problems of the people committing crime, and put that over the rights of the victim?  Thats what it seems like with the "understand what they've been through" BS.  

Now back to the political end...Should we have done nothing in Iraq?  Eh..F'em.  They live there we don't, screw them.  I guess so, since everyone worries about the criminals civil rights more than the victims.  If it is so bad, why don't we just bail on Iraq now?  Just pull everyone out and let them deal.  Since the media tells me how good a guy the head of Hezbollah is, we should give him some money and since the President of Iran can't be all that bad, we should send him some coin, too.  Let that part of the world just self destruct....But if we did that, all the people who are bitching about what the President has done up to this point, would be bitching that we didn't or weren't doing anything.  
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by theOtherCharlie on Jul 27th, 2006, 5:34pm
if one is to stop the wounding... band-aids are only the temporary fix... a good doctor would look for the source of the problem and correct it... Saving money on band-aids and perscription drugs...

likewise wars, walls and prisons only band-aids we need face the issues.... not fuel the divisions. Easy to lock em up, kill em and wall em out... harder to look the problem in the eye.

we are a lazy nation. content to have our reality spoonfed without question... and we seem to be increasingly less tolerent of those who do look for solutions.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Jonny on Jul 27th, 2006, 5:41pm
ShariRea,

Let me be the one to apologise for these fucks hijacking your thread.

Ok boys, back at it if you must!  ::)
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by thomas on Jul 27th, 2006, 5:47pm

on 07/27/06 at 17:34:19, theOtherCharlie wrote:
we are a lazy nation. content to have our reality spoonfed without question... and we seem to be increasingly less tolerent of those who do look for solutions.



I applaud your logic.  I agree 100%.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by ShariRae on Jul 27th, 2006, 7:27pm
Thank You Jonny..It wasn't meant to be a Rep/Dem political thread in the least..It just seemed so wrong to me that they were released on their OR..after yelling at the TV news crew :"She Wanted It"
Guess I am just bothered that 3 rapists (alleged..puke) and the 4th shytball that videoed it are out free tonite...free to do this to someones else's daughter perhaps? WTF? And just because they are 16..obviously doesnt make them any less dangerous than an older RAPIST..my god they raped a handicapped girl...in my book they dont get much more dangerous or heartless than that...
Shari
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by john_d on Jul 27th, 2006, 7:44pm
Sounds like it was a legal loophole,  the prosecutors could either make that choice or lose the whole case.  Sux.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by theOtherCharlie on Jul 27th, 2006, 8:34pm
ShariRae, I'm sorry I derailed your initial post...

I'm a beekeeper and today as I went through my hives getting the summer honey with a friend... I learned something germaine to your thread. Please indulge me a story.

We beekeepers are very protective of our bees and their well-being. we use smokers to prod the bees away from the frames with their honey. Our actions are slow and deliberate so as not to rile the bees.

Today I worked through two hives containing more than 100,000 bees each. As we pulled frames with honey, some of them had small pockets of "brood" or bee babies not yet born... My friend is a doctor and is familiar with "Triage" or making life and death decisions at a moments notice deciding the fate of some for the good of others. She was quick to decide to take the frames with small brood patches. We westled with the decision until she gave in to my maternal support... Later as we began rebuilding the hive with empty frames there were thousands of bees congregating on the hive. As she placed the supers or bee boxes ontop each other, she was careless bout the bees congregating on top the hive and squished a few before I could alert her and help smoke the bees down into the hive and away from the next super she added.

But it was in the basement as we unpacked the full frames, loaded with honey, that my doctor friend did someting that just drove home your post about that poor girl and those evil boys. As we pulled out the frames, a single bee had managed to hang on and fall to the tabletop. All of a sudden, my friend was filled with compassion and concern for this one bee.... she wanted to save it and let it out the door to fly home. It was very revealing to see how we can be oblivious to our actions when the numbers are great and the victims are indecernable. But when we are faced with one victim, one face, one story... it becomes important for us to take a moral high ground. While I'm in agreement that every bee is important to me, I do recognize the greater importance of my hive behavior as it effects many more bees.

So too was it my hope that by focusing your comment on the greater atrocities that we are even more responsible for... I hoped to take the emotions the disabled girl's story and bring home our greater issues for the hive... our nation.

If i look to save the one bee and lose focus of the hive, my ability to get honey in the future begins to lessen... So too, if we dwell on the horrors of one girl and lose focus of our nation's equally horrific actions... we also face loosing the hive.

I weep for the girl and have concern for the boys, but I'm much more aware of our need as a nation to come to terms with the realities of our policies as they are killing and torturing and destroying many more innocent people every day... this girls problem is tragic... our nation's problem could prove fatal... priorities ShariRae, thats all I meant to bring to this discussion. I apologize for the discord.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by fubar on Jul 27th, 2006, 8:49pm
I simply can't believe what I'm reading... compassion and understanding for rapists?  What?  Seriously?  Have we become that pathetic?  Are we to suppress our natural desire to rebuke, in the strongest terms, this kind of heinous behavior?  Screw that.  Try them... yes.  Hang them, shoot them, bury them alive if guilty.  People NEED to know that we will NOT tolerate this shit at all.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by rickyshot on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:08pm

on 07/27/06 at 15:35:00, thomas wrote:
If you think I'm choosing sides, you don't know me very well, at all.  There is only ONE politician in D.C. that I have even one ounce of respect for and he happens to be a democrat, they are all crooks, thieves, liars, pimps, scum, wastes of human flesh.  I find it amusing how everyone seems to think these dregs of society have all the answers, where in reality they should ALL be executed as enemies of the Constitution.  That's a fact, not an opinion.

 Finally someone who knows the truth.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by rickyshot on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:10pm

on 07/27/06 at 19:27:58, ShariRae wrote:
Thank You Jonny..It wasn't meant to be a Rep/Dem political thread in the least..It just seemed so wrong to me that they were released on their OR..after yelling at the TV news crew :"She Wanted It"
Guess I am just bothered that 3 rapists (alleged..puke) and the 4th shytball that videoed it are out free tonite...free to do this to someones else's daughter perhaps? WTF? And just because they are 16..obviously doesnt make them any less dangerous than an older RAPIST..my god they raped a handicapped girl...in my book they dont get much more dangerous or heartless than that...
Shari

Exactly. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out. As an above poster said whatever happened to our natural instincts against shit like this.
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by deltadarlin on Jul 27th, 2006, 10:26pm
Isn't it wonderful, this wonderful world we live in?  We discuss the victim and *agonize* over whether or not these poor unfortunate, misdirected, defenseless boys are truly culpable, the victim continues to be victimized over and over again by the same system that should be protecting her.

BFS folks, if the boys admitted it (as it *appears* they did), screw a court trial, fry their ignorant a$$es, save the money and put it toward counseling for the girl.

'darlin
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by alienspacebabe on Jul 27th, 2006, 10:38pm

on 07/27/06 at 20:49:58, fubar wrote:
I simply can't believe what I'm reading... compassion and understanding for rapists?  What?  Seriously?  Have we become that pathetic?  Are we to suppress our natural desire to rebuke, in the strongest terms, this kind of heinous behavior?  Screw that.  Try them... yes.  Hang them, shoot them, bury them alive if guilty.  People NEED to know that we will NOT tolerate this shit at all.



well said.

and, having been there, I repeat:

Rapists - the best use of the death penalty, imho
Title: Re: Rapists Released On Own Recognizance
Post by Mrs Deej on Jul 28th, 2006, 12:20am
This is getting out of hand, you said your peace, let's not make it into a pissing contest...don't encourage the stupidity.

I think we can all agree it was a horrible act...if it's true, they will "get theirs", if it's not, we have wasted a lot of time trying to make something out of nothing!


..."all you need is love"...just a thought

Steph


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