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(Message started by: Jonny on Jul 25th, 2006, 8:27pm)
Title: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Jonny on Jul 25th, 2006, 8:27pm
You Die!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/eao5w

Notice how these idiots fling off 11 rockets with an Israeli S&D plane above them.....oh well....LOL ;;D
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Jonny on Jul 25th, 2006, 8:47pm
Hell, the targeting looks just as good as the Americans.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/israeli_airforce_footage_against_targets_in_lebanon_and_gaza_Jul_18_2006.html

You have to wonder about folks that come out against an army that does ALL it can not to kill non combatants!
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by alchemy on Jul 25th, 2006, 8:58pm
It's incredible the instant damage, confined to such a small area
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Jonny on Jul 25th, 2006, 9:06pm

on 07/25/06 at 20:58:49, alchemy wrote:
It's incredible the instant damage, confined to such a small area


Yeah, and if these pricks want to fire from populated places.......war is hell!!!!

The UN was a good hit.....LOL ;;D
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by floridian on Jul 26th, 2006, 7:47am

on 07/25/06 at 20:47:59, Jonny wrote:
You have to wonder about folks that come out against an army that does ALL it can not to kill non combatants!


Tries not to kill non-combatants?  


Quote:
A high-ranking IAF {Israeli Air Force} officer caused a storm on Monday in an off-record briefing during which he told reporters that IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz had ordered the military to destroy 10 buildings in Beirut in retaliation to every Katyusha rocket strike on Haifa.

...

Since the beginning of Operation Change of Direction, launched on July 12 following the abduction of two soldiers during a Hizbullah cross-border attack, over 80 buildings in the neighborhood have been destroyed.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291987290&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


Haven't we seen that strategy before - from bin Laden??  When a miltary in one place does something, retaliate by hitting non-combatants in hi-rise buildings somewhere else?  If you think Israel is trying to avoid civilian casualties in Lebanon, you aren't paying attention.
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by JeffB on Jul 26th, 2006, 4:08pm
These friggin Hezbollah idiots are sitting around the floor eating flat bread and drinking tea and are saying to each other " Sh_t fellas, I think we may have made a boo boo with the kidnapings and rockets".
If you play with fire sooner or later you'll get burned!
KEEP SPANKING EM' ISREAL ;;D
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by alchemy on Jul 26th, 2006, 4:18pm

on 07/25/06 at 21:06:06, Jonny wrote:
Yeah, and if these pricks want to fire from populated places.......war is hell!!!!

The UN was a good hit.....LOL ;;D


chickenshit way to fight!!
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by JeffB on Jul 26th, 2006, 4:25pm
Those guys who fired the rockets had blue eyes! I could tell! One blue to the left the other blue to the right........ [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Jonny on Jul 26th, 2006, 4:38pm
You forgot this, Flo

"After the officer's remarks were published on The Jerusalem Post website as well as other Israeli news sites, the IDF Spokesperson's Office released a statement insinuating that reporters had misquoted the senior officer and claimed that the publications were false and that Halutz had never issued such a directive"
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by E-Double on Jul 26th, 2006, 4:42pm
How does one avoid civilian casualties when rockets are hidden in the homes as well as mosques?
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by floridian on Jul 26th, 2006, 5:50pm

on 07/26/06 at 16:38:02, Jonny wrote:
You forgot this, Flo

"After the officer's remarks were published on The Jerusalem Post website as well as other Israeli news sites, the IDF Spokesperson's Office released a statement insinuating that reporters had misquoted the senior officer and claimed that the publications were false and that Halutz had never issued such a directive"


Sure, the Israeli military blamed it on the media. And then they admitted the media wasn't misquoting the Israeli military guy, but that maybe the military guy was the one who made the mistake:


Quote:
The IDF Spokesperson's Office later retracted its accusation that reporters had misquoted the officer and issued a second statement claiming that the high-ranking officer had made a mistake and was wrong in claiming that
Halutz had issued such a directive.

(same article in Jerusalem Post)


Nothing like having a "high ranking military officer" who admits that his country is targeting civilians.  Better denounce him real quick.  And erase all the craters that you created in cities so far from the theatre of war.

That's the same General Halutz that directly told a British newspaper that "Nothing is safe (in Lebanon), it's as simple as that.”   http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2269750,00.html

Missiles are coming from a narrow strip in the south of the country, and planes are levelling hundreds of apartment buildings in the north of the country. It has nothing to do with Hezbollah - the 'clean break' strategy was developed years ago, and now they are implementing it.  

You are deluded prisoner of the strategic bombing fallacy:


Quote:
Military historians have a name for the logic behind Israel's military campaign in Lebanon. It's called the "strategic bombing fallacy." Almost since the dawn of the age of military air power, strategists have been tempted by the prospect that the bombing of "strategic" targets such as infrastructure and transportation hubs could inflict such pain on a population that it would turn against its leaders and get them to surrender or compromise.

Unfortunately -- as the United States itself discovered during World War II and Vietnam, to cite just two examples -- strategic bombing has almost never worked. Far from bringing about the intended softening of the opposition, bombing tends to rally people behind their own leaders and cause them to dig in against outsiders who, whatever the justification, are destroying their homeland.
     
The history of perennial overoptimism about air power is worth keeping in mind as we consider some of the arguments heard in Jerusalem and Washington that the Israeli bombing campaign will put Hezbollah out of business or somehow lead the Lebanese people and army to turn against it. According to retired Israeli army Col. Gal Luft, the goal of the campaign is to "create a rift between the Lebanese population and Hezbollah supporters." The message to Lebanon's elite, he said, is this: "If you want your air conditioning to work and if you want to be able to fly to Paris for shopping, you must pull your head out of the sand and take action toward shutting down Hezbollah-land."

The theory is almost as neat as those that postulated that an American show of force in Iraq would bring peace and democracy throughout the region -- but it is even less realistic. The issue is not whether Hezbollah is responsible for this crisis -- it is -- or whether Israel has the right to defend itself -- it does -- but whether this particular strategy will work. It will not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/24/AR2006072400807.html


So here we have another Israeli general (ret.) admitting that his country is targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure to try and indirectly put pressure on Hezbollah - in spite of the fact that the government of Lebanon doesn't have the strength to do anything about them.  And people like you can still pretend that they aren't targeting civilians, or that targeting civilians isn't a war crime.  
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Jonny on Jul 26th, 2006, 5:58pm

on 07/26/06 at 17:50:48, floridian wrote:
 And people like you can still pretend that they aren't targeting civilians, or that targeting civilians isn't a war crime.  


Then I guess your saying that we should not have dropped those two bombs on Japan because there were civilians there, right?
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by JeffB on Jul 26th, 2006, 6:00pm
So if I may ask Flo, do the Israelis go straight to Iran and Syria and bomb those guys? After all they are pretty much the checkbooks for Hezbollah.
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by maffumatt on Jul 26th, 2006, 6:01pm
UN Slams Hezbollah for Hiding Among Civilians

July 24, 2006 9:50 p.m. EST

Ryan R. Jones - All Headline News Correspondent

Larnaca, Cyprus (AHN) - United Nations humanitarian chief Jan Egeland Monday harshly criticized Hezbollah for using Lebanon's civilian population as cover in its fight with Israel.

Speaking to reporters following a visit to Beirut, the AP quoted Egeland as saying, "Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children."

Egeland deplored not only Hezbollah's tactics, but also the fact that the terror group would boast over putting civilians in such danger.

"I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men," he said.

While in Beirut Egeland also condemned Israel over what he called a "disproportionate" use of force that constituted "a violation of international humanitarian law."

The Fourth Geneva Convention, however, does not preclude military strikes against civilian areas illegally used as cover by enemy combatants.

"The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations," reads Article 28 of that document.
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by floridian on Jul 26th, 2006, 7:07pm

on 07/26/06 at 18:01:33, maffumatt wrote:
UN Slams Hezbollah for Hiding Among Civilians

Larnaca, Cyprus (AHN) - United Nations humanitarian chief Jan Egeland Monday harshly criticized Hezbollah for using Lebanon's civilian population as cover in its fight with Israel.


I agree, and don't think it goes far enough in criticizing both the murderous shalomers and the murderous salaamers.  The Hezbollah rockets can't be aimed, and sending them at cities like Haifa is a war crime. Hezbollah is using civilians as a shield - in the south, which is also deplorable. And Israel also has no interest in civilians except as targets, since most of the weapons are hidden unless they are being fired to the south, and so many civilian targets are far to the north. Israel attacks the innocent to make the guilty 'pay' - except attacking the innocent really only punishes the innocent.   I have consitently held that neither Hezbollah nor the Israeli military are saintly, and I don't think it is in the interest of the US to give up our traditional role of mediator and join the dog fight.  
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Jonny on Jul 26th, 2006, 7:13pm

on 07/26/06 at 19:07:59, floridian wrote:
I don't think it is in the interest of the US to give up our traditional role of mediator and join the dog fight.  


Agreed  :-*
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by wildhaus on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:37pm
The war in Israel / Lebanon was not provoked or started by Israel…..
It is the right of a country to defend it self. The ppl. In Lebanon host
And nourish the Terrorists and fanatics….. and the Government in Lebanon
Tolerates the existence of these groups….
If this groups have decided to compromise the right of Israel to exist! And harm
Its population, the Israelis not only have the right to retaliate….. the military has to
provide there population (in the north of Galilee) with a decent, quite and peaceful life!
As the population in the south of Lebanon host (of there own free will) the terrorists,
Well then they become a valid target…..  and telling the world they are victims….
If they would not have stored weapons, host and nourish the terrorists, most likely
All this would not have happened!

In any war there will be innocent victims, pain and sorrow, and that is not just regrettable,
In most cases avoidable…..  and yet the terror group chose to start the fire, just forgot they might get hurt them self, and the one that gave them shield and shelter, which makes the so called victims, collaborators and by doing that risking gating hurt…. And they did, but not
Being victims, being just simply part of the terror group! Not Innocent victims!

WAR IS NOT  THE BEAST WAY....  BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIV?  IF THE TERORISTS GOLE IS TO SEE YOU EXTINGWISHED AND DENAY ONES
RIGHT OF EXCITSENS
>:(
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Jonny on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:41pm

on 07/27/06 at 15:37:41, wildhaus wrote:
The war in Israel / Lebanon was not provoked or started by Israel…..
It is the right of a country to defend it self. The ppl. In Lebanon host
And nourish the Terrorists and fanatics….. and the Government in Lebanon
Tolerates the existence of these groups….
If this groups have decided to compromise the right of Israel to exist! And harm
Its population, the Israelis not only have the right to retaliate….. the military has to
provide there population (in the north of Galilee) with a decent, quite and peaceful life!
As the population in the south of Lebanon host (of there own free will) the terrorists,
Well then they become a valid target…..  and telling the world they are victims….
If they would not have stored weapons, host and nourish the terrorists, most likely
All this would not have happened!

In any war there will be innocent victims, pain and sorrow, and that is not just regrettable,
In most cases avoidable…..  and yet the terror group chose to start the fire, just forgot they might get hurt them self, and the one that gave them shield and shelter, which makes the so called victims, collaborators and by doing that risking gating hurt…. And they did, but not
Being victims, being just simply part of the terror group! Not Innocent victims!

WAR IS NOT  THE BEAST WAY....  BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIV?  IF THE TERORISTS GOLE IS TO SEE YOU EXTINGWISHED AND DENAY ONES
RIGHT OF EXCITSENS
>:(


[smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=bigguns.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif]
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by JeffB on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:50pm
Inmate 224784, hope you enjoyed that big lunch, now  we need your help! There's a fire in the wall, we need you to pee in that outlet...hurry!
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by JeffB on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:52pm

on 07/27/06 at 15:50:24, JeffB wrote:
Inmate 224784, hope you enjoyed that big lunch, now  we need your help! There's a fire in the wall, we need you to pee in that outlet...hurry!


Sorry, wrong thread. laughing too hard!
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Tom K on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:52pm

on 07/27/06 at 15:37:41, wildhaus wrote:
The war in Israel / Lebanon was not provoked or started by Israel…..
It is the right of a country to defend it self. The ppl. In Lebanon host
And nourish the Terrorists and fanatics….. and the Government in Lebanon
Tolerates the existence of these groups….
If this groups have decided to compromise the right of Israel to exist! And harm
Its population, the Israelis not only have the right to retaliate….. the military has to
provide there population (in the north of Galilee) with a decent, quite and peaceful life!
As the population in the south of Lebanon host (of there own free will) the terrorists,
Well then they become a valid target…..  and telling the world they are victims….
If they would not have stored weapons, host and nourish the terrorists, most likely
All this would not have happened!

In any war there will be innocent victims, pain and sorrow, and that is not just regrettable,
In most cases avoidable…..  and yet the terror group chose to start the fire, just forgot they might get hurt them self, and the one that gave them shield and shelter, which makes the so called victims, collaborators and by doing that risking gating hurt…. And they did, but not
Being victims, being just simply part of the terror group! Not Innocent victims!

WAR IS NOT  THE BEAST WAY....  BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIV?  IF THE TERORISTS GOLE IS TO SEE YOU EXTINGWISHED AND DENAY ONES
RIGHT OF EXCITSENS
>:(


X2 Million!!!  Couldn't have said it better myself.  Rock on, Michael! 8)
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by wildhaus on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:54pm

Quote:
Posted by: JeffB Posted on: Today at 21:50:24
Inmate 224784, hope you enjoyed that big lunch, now  we need your help! There's a fire in the wall, we need you to pee in that outlet...hurry!  


sorry, but didnt get this one, its me, I must be dens or simply stupid......
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by JeffB on Jul 27th, 2006, 3:58pm
Now I'm not a doom sayer but........this is the begining of WWIII and this is nothing compared to whats coming.
We might as well start thining their ranks now!
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by maffumatt on Jul 27th, 2006, 4:03pm
I must be stupid too Micheal. I didn't get it either.
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Jonny on Jul 27th, 2006, 4:08pm

on 07/27/06 at 15:58:09, JeffB wrote:
Now I'm not a doom sayer but........this is the begining of WWIII


Get real dude, even you know its not world war until the French surrender ;;D
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by Ghost on Jul 27th, 2006, 4:10pm

on 07/27/06 at 16:08:13, Jonny wrote:
Get real dude, even you know its not world war until the French surrender ;;D

[smiley=spit.gif] [smiley=spit.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bigguns.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif]

Now I gotta clean my screen!

Mike
Title: Re: If you fly rockets.......
Post by wildhaus on Jul 27th, 2006, 4:19pm

Quote:
Posted by: JeffB Posted on: Today at 21:58:09
........this is the begining of WWIII  .....


This is not the start of  WW3, its just a local dispute, which is “normal” to the Mid East (unfortunately), my mom and brother are living in Israel, and they regarded as just another
border “dispute”. It’s the media that by excessive coverage blows the situation way out of proportion!
The Mid East being the Mid East, with all the tension the pations and religions, for the past few millennia’s the region erupts, It must be some sort of self distractive “pation”, Lebanon and Israel
And other nations in the region just started to excel and prosper, and then this, and its time and again trough out history…….

By the way sorry for my spelling…. but still home alone and no wife to see that my spelling is right and proper…..


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