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(Message started by: JeffB on Jul 19^th, 2006, 6:00pm)

Title: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by JeffB on Jul 19^th, 2006, 6:00pm

How do we feel about stem cell research? I'm on the fence on this one but also a daibetic.

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by Yorky on Jul 19^th, 2006, 6:21pm

IF MY CHILDREN HAVE A CHANCE OF INHERITING THIS THEN I AM IN FOR ANY TPE OF TRYALS STELL CELL OR OTHER OPTIONS.
GOOD LUCK

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by floridian on Jul 19^th, 2006, 6:30pm

Dissapointed that a promising avenue of research will be delayed.

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by Jackie on Jul 19^th, 2006, 6:32pm

on 07/19/06 at 18:30:27, floridian wrote:

Dissapointed that a promising avenue of research will be delayed.

Putting it mildy, Flo...

I think the veto SUCKS!!!! Just imagine all the possibilities.....what a shame.....one day wasted is one day to many.

Sincerely,
Jackie

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by JeffB on Jul 19^th, 2006, 6:35pm

Not to start anything but how do they get these cells? I know here in California we have a company that just got millions for research.

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by Bob P on Jul 19^th, 2006, 6:52pm

Quote:

Embryonic stem cells, as their name suggests, are derived from embryos. Specifically, embryonic stem cells are derived from embryos that develop from eggs that have been fertilized in vitro—in an in vitro fertilization clinic—and then donated for research purposes with informed consent of the donors. They are not derived from eggs fertilized in a woman's body. The embryos from which human embryonic stem cells are derived are typically four or five days old and are a hollow microscopic ball of cells called the blastocyst. The blastocyst includes three structures: the trophoblast, which is the layer of cells that surrounds the blastocyst; the blastocoel, which is the hollow cavity inside the blastocyst; and the inner cell mass, which is a group of approximately 30 cells at one end of the blastocoel.

And that is the debate. Do we kill living embryos to do research?
Shame it's such a tough debate cause so much good could come from the research but does it outweigh the sanctity of life?

This bill/veto is actually about - do we spend more Federal $ on stem cell research, not do we do the research. You can do the research on newly created stem cell strains but don't get Federal funds. You can do the research using existing stem cell strains and get Federal funding.

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by JeffB on Jul 19^th, 2006, 7:05pm

Well WTF,
We'll fund a bridge for 12 eskimos tho!

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by _Lee_ on Jul 19^th, 2006, 7:24pm

Just because we take the moral hi-ground won't stop other countries from taking this on. GBJ needs to go to church. As we do already we should benefit from this eventually. Did you see this goober in his obviously 100% staged announcement today? Thought I was going to hurl.

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by maffumatt on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:11pm

Why not grow the babies to the stage where their organs can be harvested? A whole new industry could be born.
Matts Fetal Parts next door to Nappa Auto Parts. Weekly specials this week bone marrow cells 1/2 half off.

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by jimmers on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:15pm

I am Catholic and not supposed to believe in this type of thing, But!

I also believe that if God didn't want us to have the intelligence to figure out these kind of things, he never would have given us the intelligence to do so!

If we can cure many things by doing this research and testing, I say "Go for it!"

I'm not turning this into a Religious thread, just putting in my 2 cents.

Jimmers

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by Jonny on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:17pm

Ok, bear with me here.....I only know as much as I heard on the radio and im not a bright dude.

Theres a shit load of embroys that are going to be killed OR we could use them to probably ease some peoples pain?

Someone clear this up for me, please!

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by andrewjb on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:20pm

on 07/19/06 at 20:17:46, Jonny wrote:

:).nuf said.

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by maffumatt on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:21pm

I am not opposed to it I just think its a slippery slope. At what point do you stop growing an embryo ? 1 month, 3 months ? At what point does it become unethical?

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by Paul98 on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:26pm

Stem cell research=good
Bush veto=bad
using existing embryos that would go to waste=OK
creating embryos for research=very,very bad.

-P.

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by Jonny on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:33pm

on 07/19/06 at 20:26:50, Paul98 wrote:

Stem cell research=good
Bush veto=bad
using existing embryos that would go to waste=OK
creating embryos for research=very,very bad.

-P.

Thanks for clearing it up for me, Paul.

I agree!

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by andrewjb on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:44pm

on 07/19/06 at 20:26:50, Paul98 wrote:

Stem cell research=good
Bush veto=bad
using existing embryos that would go to waste=OK
creating embryos for research=very,very bad.

-P.

creating a religous doctrin that inhibits evolution-very very selfish !

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by floridian on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:48pm

The irony that nobody sees:

Right now, there are several technologies that use adult stem cells. But adult stems cells are not as flexible as embryonic stem cells - they can change into some tissue types but not others. If the 'pro-lifers' can sucessfully push for only adult stem cell research, then some day we might unlock that secret. When we get to the point where 'adult' stem cells are so flexible that they can change into any or all tissue types, there might not be any difference between 'adult' stem cells and embryos!! Each adult stem cell would have the potential to grow into another adult person (if it were implanted in a womb or some not yet developed incubator.) Then some people would be wringing their hands about what to do with trillions of stem cells that we have on tap.

Every cell is sacred!!

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:50pm

I guess the deal is that embryos are created at fertility clinics for those of us that have trouble getting or staying pregnant. They create many many embryos, but only implant one in the woman, the rest are destroyed. Some want to use them for research rather than destroy them.

Why is it ok to kill animals for research?

Remember when the neocons kept saying "the good of the many outweigh the good of the one", as a justification to kill innocent iraqi people? I guess that doesnt apply in the USA.
:-/

B$

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by Charlie on Jul 19^th, 2006, 8:58pm

George Bush is the anti-science President.

The days of the New Fontier are now truly a thing of the past. With Bush and some his drunk with power Bible thumper types (These Christian Right types are more Right than religious) are terrified of education. Careful thought isn't their thing.

When nearly every researcher, scientist, and 70% of the populace sides with science, you'd think he'd take a chance and do what Americans would like, not Pat Roberston. Like his Byzantine Medicare drug benefit, his convoluted stem cell research guidelines are cosmetic only. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/images/smiles/icon_idea.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Even weird Bill Frist backs the idea. That takes some doing.

Charlie

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by clarence on Jul 19^th, 2006, 9:03pm

on 07/19/06 at 20:50:14, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:

"the good of the many outweigh the good of the one"

Or - the greatest good for the greatest number....

Utilitarianism is a slippery slope. I think anyway.

I am against embryonic stem cell research. Regardless of whether it will happen or not, I am definately against my tax dollars being used to fund embryonic stem cell research.

While I do think that it would be a wonderful thing for many diseases to be cured...I do not think that this should be done at the expense of human life. It is, in my opinion, parasitical.

I have been thinking a lot about this story lately, and think that it relates directly to the embryonic stem cell debate:

The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas (http://teacherweb.ftl.pinecrest.edu/crawfor/apcg/Unit1Omelas.htm)

My 2 cents.

Casey

Title: Re: Stem Cell Use Veto
Post by Paul98 on Jul 19^th, 2006, 9:17pm

I think much good could come from stem cell research; however I also think some very bad things can come from it. To put it bluntly, it aint nice to fuck with mother nature. If you look at the very long term ramifications, you are nullifying natural selection. way down the road, mankind's genetic pool will be built on a house of cards.

-P.