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Title: This is good : )----- Post by Jonny on Jul 12th, 2006, 4:56pm Anyone who remembers anything about World War II, or has studied anything about World War II, will understand and remember that during that war the Japanese developed a way to demoralize the American forces. The Japanese psychological warfare experts developed a message they felt would work. They gave their psychological warfare script to their famous broadcaster, "Tokyo Rose," and every day she would broadcast their message packaged in different ways, hoping it would have a negative impact on American GI's morale. What was that demoralizing message? It had three main points: 1. Your President is lying to you. 2. This war is illegal. 3. You cannot win the war Does this sound familiar??? Is it because of: Tokyo Hillary, Tokyo Harry, Tokyo Teddy Tokyo Nancy, Tokyo Durbin, Tokyo Kerry, who have all learned from the former enemies of our country, and have picked up the same message and are broadcasting it on: Tokyo CNN, Tokyo ABC, Tokyo CBS, Tokyo NBC? The only difference is that they claim to support our troops...before they demoralize them. Come to think of it...Tokyo Rose told the American Troops she was on their side, also! |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by thomas on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:06pm Good analogy. Priceless! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by JeffB on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:06pm Right on the money! |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:10pm Right on the Money !!! Move your business to New York----We'd be honored to have you here !!! However our assh**es vote for sh*t---namely Hilary, Chuck... |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by tanner on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:12pm AMEN !!! |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by PL259 on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:23pm Our politicians and media are the worst threat we face. At least the many voices used for Rose were semi sexy and funny at the same time. "Joe ur girfrien far away at home wid ur bes frien" LOL Keep up the good work bro! |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by JeffB on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:33pm I remember my first WestPac to the Gulf when we were escorting oil tankers through the straights of Hormuz. There was this guy every night broadcasting from Muscat. He would do this F'ed up whistle for a few minutes then he would lightly sing " your mothers a monkey she wants a banana" over and over....it was friggin hillarious. I would here guys on other ships start arguments with him and then all hell broke loose with rants and cultural insults...... Whenever we shot at speed boats we would yell on bull horns " Give us your bananas, moms hungry" |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Sandy_C on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:37pm It's interesting. My hubby and I were just talking last night about the "media", and how they put their own spin on everything that is aired. If you watch the three major networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, and even CNN, you get pretty much the same spin. So we started channel surfing to the BBC, FOX news, even Al Jazerra (sp?), and it's amazing what is shown there. Lots of stuff that is not shown on our networks. So, whether good reporting or bad, at least if I flip from one to the other, maybe I'm actually getting more of the full/real story. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by BobG on Jul 12th, 2006, 6:31pm In Vietnam we had Hanoi Hannah to cheer us up. She even knew the names of soldiers and the units they were with and would mention them. We always listened to her broadcast because she played better rock ‘n roll than the American Armed Forces Radio disc jockeys. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by floridian on Jul 12th, 2006, 6:38pm Once again, patriotism is a refuge for scoundrels. There is somewhat of a difference between WWII and the occupation of Iraq: Japan attacked us, but Iraq did not. In WWII, the country was united against Japan and willing to fight with 100%, but in the case of Iraq, the Army General that asked for more boots on the ground to secure the country was fired. And the President IS lying to you - just today, Novak revealed that Karl Rove confirmed the identity of Valerie Plame as a CIA agent, which he then leaked, damaging national security in the process. Bush said he would fire anyone involved in the leak, then he said that the matter was under investigation, then he said nothing - protecting the leaker and lying to the public. It's not Hirohito - its Nixon all over again ... develop an enemies list and smear or destroy those on it. This is the same old tactic of question their patriotism, question their sanity used against Daniel Ellsberg after he leaked the Pentagon Papers. And since you are such a history buff, Jonny, you know that the Pentagon Papers were a study conducted on behalf of the US government, which clearly showed that we WERE being lied to, and we WERE NOT winning the war, in spite of dropping more explosives on Vietnam than was dropped by all sides in WWII. Six to 14 years ago, conservatives belittled the idea of using our military for peacekeeping. Rush Limbaugh repeatedly pointed out that they were not trained for peacekeeping but to "kill people and break things" Then all of the sudden, they switched to the position that peacekeeping and pizza delivery is a good thing, and that we don't even need adequate force levels to do it. Meanwhile, Iraq spirals deeper into civil war. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by maffumatt on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:10pm you damn patriotic scoundrels, you you she be ashamed of yourselves. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by PL259 on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:16pm Pizza delivery? Keep your ass in Floida. nuff said edit to add: I do know how to spell, but I didn't! |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by floridian on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:19pm on 07/12/06 at 19:10:12, maffumatt wrote:
Agreed. I think. It wasn't quite a coherent sentence, but I am guessing what you meant. When Mark Twain coined the phrase that "patriotism is the refuge of scoundrels" he didn't mean that all patriotism was a bad thing. Merely that scalawags hide behind the flag and use it to manipulate people. Same with religion - televangelism a the refuge of con-men whose idea of salvation is taking your money, while other churches have made themselves a refuge for pedophiles. Love of God and Love of Country are transcendent emotions. They can be good. And when irrational, bad. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Jonny on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:20pm on 07/12/06 at 19:16:23, PL259 wrote:
LMMFAO!!!! ;;D |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:22pm You forgot about Senator Graham and Senator Kyl's blatant lies and placement of a ficticious dialogue into the congressional transcript. Tokyo Graham and Tokyo Kyl, as you call them, added a debate that never happened into the congressional records to make it look like it was discussed, when in reality it was just more lies and deceit. Yes, things are added to the record at a later date on a regular basis, but they arent lies, completely made up and they are ALWAYS noted that it was added at a later date. Senators are not allowed to secretly add lies into the congressional record strictly for the purpose of trying to sway the Sureme Court. Tokyo Lindsay Graham......that's got a nice ring to it. [smiley=laugh.gif] B$ |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by maffumatt on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:23pm on 07/12/06 at 19:19:38, floridian wrote:
apparently not |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by JeffB on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:34pm Iraq is just a start, wait till we bomb the "F" out of Syria and Iran. Hell, it took only one Battleship to flatten Berut after they bombed that Marine barracks. We'll have KFC's in Tehran in 10 years or we'll have alot of glass. Then we can get those island monkeys in Indonesia and bitch slap those guys into democracy. Face it, those snake charmers and camel jockies want to harm us for how we live. I say bring it on, maybe in 5 years I can get my beluga straight from the source in the caspian. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )---- Post by floridian on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:36pm on 07/12/06 at 19:16:23, PL259 wrote:
Pizza delivery? Yes, that is how the conservatives described our mililtary peacekeeping missions in the former Yugoslavia and Haiti, and peacekeeping in general - they were very clear that we had a military to defeat other militaries, not to occupy territories and police their populations. But then a Republican was elected to the White House, and the thing they used to be against they are now for. Today it's "Hooray for using the U.S. Military as a peacekeeping force!!" You got a problem with that? Take it up with Rush and his buddies. They are the ones that flip-flopped on this issue. They invented the 'pizza-delivery' description. Although the civil war has gotten so intense that delivering pizzas, or painting schools, or handing out teddy bears to little children is no longer possible in Iraq. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by JeffB on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:42pm And when Castro dies....wow wee. We can send the Coast Guard to invade that country. I hear there's great diving there, thats reason enough to send some peace keepers there. Of course, after we bomb those commies. We still hate commies don't we? |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Jonny on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:42pm Hey Matt, Wind them and let them go >>>>Weeeeeeee LMMFAO [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by JeffB on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:46pm You know what, Lets just let the world do what they want. Lets get rid of the Army,Navy,Air Force,Marines then we can all have bunny farms and and live in peace with god and baby jesus. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:53pm The President of the USA said he doesnt know where Bin Laden is, and quite frankly doesnt spend much time on him. Of course, this was after he said he wouldnt rest for a minute until we got him dead or alive. Tokyo Bush ;) B$ |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by maffumatt on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:58pm If President Clinton would have took him when Sudan offered we wouldn't be looking for him. Tokoyo |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by floridian on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:58pm on 07/12/06 at 19:46:42, JeffB wrote:
But are the bunny farms for meat? Or just for cuddles?? Seriously, the American public supported the invasion of Afghanistan. The Taliban government was in league with Al Qaeda, and wouldn't surrender them to the U.S. That is a good reason for invading them. It isn't about either being an extreme pacifist or supporting every fucked up war that the politicians give you. The British government, our closest ally, even they acknowledged that Bush was a liar for the war. They said Bush wanted to take a U.S. military plane, disguise it in UN colors, and send it in low. Then when it would have been shot down by Saddam, we would have a reason to invade!! Where is your pride? Would you be insulted if you found that Bush wanted to dress our troops up as little old ladies and send them into Iraq, and then use their arrest as justification for war? And what about the Powell Doctrine? That was supposed to prevent another Vietnam. Only the politicians decided we don't need to use overwhelming force, and we don't need clear objectives and an exit strategy. Punks like Jonny scream and moan when the big ditch goes $9 billion over budget and one person gets killed. Nine billion dollars in CASH sent to Iraq is unnacounted for and thousands are dead and maimed. And the total cost there is going to be a bit more. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Jonny on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:05pm on 07/12/06 at 19:58:46, floridian wrote:
Ahhhhh, now you have lowered yourself to name calling, Flo? Thats not like you, is it? |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:05pm on 07/12/06 at 19:58:39, maffumatt wrote:
But why isnt Bush trying to find him? He caused the worst attack on US soil, we arent even looking for him? I'll tell you one thing, if Bush even just put on a dog and pony show, let alone actually trying, I would like him a lot more. Why dont we have 100k troops combing the face of the earth looking for him? 1 isreali soldier was kidnapped, and Isreal sent over 10k troops in looking for him. 3000 US civilians died in an unprovoked attack, Bush waited 2 months and then sent in, what, 35k troops to Afganistan? B$ |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by maffumatt on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:16pm its a consperacy just to piss you and Flo off, or it could be that that finding one man in a country where everyone dresses alike and ll the men wear beards while hiding in a hole or quite possibly isnt as easy as you think it should be. Perhaps we should reinstate the draft andd put 3 million Americans there to intrude in every single home, building, and mosque. But hey the consperacy sound better. edited to add....... Flos right, my spelling sux. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by floridian on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:20pm on 07/12/06 at 20:05:01, Jonny wrote:
Yeah, usually its you that calls me a punk. But this time I beat you to it. ;) |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:36pm on 07/12/06 at 20:16:00, maffumatt wrote:
If that is what it takes, sure. Its a matter of principle. The USA got bitchslapped and then we didnt do much about it. Showing the world that you can cause the largest attack ever on american soil and then america doesnt do much of anything doesnt really work as a deterrant. In fact, it makes us look bad. Bush needs to take his balls out of his purse and take care of shit. What is he waiting for? B$ |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Jonny on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:38pm on 07/12/06 at 20:20:43, floridian wrote:
And I bow to you for making first strike ;;D |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Paul98 on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:44pm on 07/12/06 at 20:36:12, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
We got bitchslapped quite a few times under Clinton and he did nothing about it. If I remember correctly, since 9/11 we havn't been bitchslapped again. May be we ARE doing something about it this time. my $0.02 -P. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:48pm We got bitchslapped on American soil under clinton several times? I just remember one, 3 weeks after he took office. Oh, you are talking about worldwide? Oh, well if you are talking about worldwide, more attacks happened this week so far than in all 8 years of the clinton admin. What are you talking about? B$ |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by kayarr on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:56pm BRAVO!!!!! |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Paul98 on Jul 12th, 2006, 9:07pm First attack on the trade center, several attacks on our military, Cole..... All while we were not at war. Those are what I was talking about. Being attacked by a declared enemy while at war is expected. Don't you think? -P. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 12th, 2006, 9:17pm We are at war with the Saudis, Syrians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Iranians and Eqyptions? Oh. I didnt know that. Wait a minute......I thought we invaded Iraq cause we wanted to help our good buddies out. Now you are saying the Iraqi people are our declared enemy? If they are our enemy, why did we go there to help them out? If they are our enemy, why do we care so much about their well being? So, you are saying the dude that blew himself up on the US base inside the mess hall was our declared enemy? Why did we let him on the base then? :-/ B$ |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by maffumatt on Jul 12th, 2006, 9:49pm This just isn't any fun without Charlie. I have a long drive after work so I think I'll catch a few zzz's |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by jimmers on Jul 12th, 2006, 9:58pm Hey jonny! Why don't you start a pissin match and then run off to Milwaukee! ;;D Seeya Friday dude! Jimmers |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Paul98 on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:10am on 07/12/06 at 21:17:52, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
First attack on the trade center, several attacks on our military, Cole..... All while we were not at war. What part of the word not do you NOT understand??? -P. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:24am I understand what the word NOT means. We are NOT at war with the Saudis, or the Syrians, or the Iranians, or the Jordanians, or the Egyptions. We are NOT at war with the Iraqis either, we are just there to help. [smiley=laugh.gif] There have been more attacks against americans this week alone than there were in all 8 years of the clinton administration. What part of that do YOU not understand? B$ |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Dissident on Jul 13th, 2006, 1:43pm It's hard to believe that some people are comparing aspects of this illegal invasion of a sovereign nation to WWII. OH MY F'ING GOD PEOPLE. WAKE THE F&CK UP! You guys can rationalize all you want. This war IS illegal and no matter how you try, it cannot be justified. I'm not gonna waste my time trying to state my views in detail or change peoples minds but I will say this. I'm really getting tired of being called unpatriotic because I question my governments motives. I DO support my troops. I've sent countless books and wrote letters to troops that I don't even know...but of course I'm labeled a left wing traitor because I call the invasion illegal and morally wrong. F*ck that and F*ck anyone who calls me that! Bush is a war criminal and will pay for what he has done. For all of you people who think the Patriot Act is ok...who think NSA spying is ok...who think allowing this disgusting Bush family to destroy our Constitution and Bill Of Rights is ok...this is what I say..... Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin AMEN BEN! |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Paul98 on Jul 13th, 2006, 3:57pm on 07/13/06 at 10:24:55, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
n the Clinton Administration we had not declared war on anybody even though we had been attacked multiple times both domestically and abroad. We did nothing of meaning in response to these attacks. (Playing tit-for-tat is not a meaningful response.) After 9/11, we did declare war on a multi-national enemy. We responded in Afghanistan and took out a dictator in Iraq which had vowed to exterminate the USA. We declared war against a multinational enemy, be of Saudi, Iraqi, Jordanian, Philippine or whatever nationality. Not their people, not their government but their fanatics that attack us. And since we DID declare war on the fanatics, the attacks against us are no longer a bitchslap but part of the war. -P. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Dissident on Jul 13th, 2006, 6:43pm Bush at war with the Saudis...LOFLROTFFLAYAHFS. [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] Buddy, you better do your homework. I've got a suggestion for ya...get your news from someone other than FOX NEWS NETWORK...aka...The Right Wing Propaganda Machine. Bush and the Saudis fighting....NEVER! |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Paul98 on Jul 13th, 2006, 7:13pm on 07/13/06 at 18:43:42, Dissident wrote:
You don't read very well do you Diss. Try reading it again....slowly. "Not their people, not their government but their fanatics that attack us." -P. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by maffumatt on Jul 13th, 2006, 7:23pm Check out the contibutions to the Clinton Library. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 13th, 2006, 7:38pm on 07/13/06 at 15:57:54, Paul98 wrote:
Bro, Abd Rahim Nashiri and Jamal Badawi have been sentenced to die in a Yemen court of law for the USS Cole bombing. 4 others have been sentenced to prison for being on the sidelines, such as delivering money or video taping the bombing. Ramsi Yousef and the blind sheik dude are both in jail for life for the 1st Trade Center bombing. SO, if this outcome is what you call "nothing", I'll take that over what Bush has done ANY DAY of ANY WEEK. Now, as to your second paragraph......Bro, with all due respect, look up and see what the word TERROR or TERRORIST mean. You say we have declared war on a multinational enemy, but you are wrong. Terrorism is a TACTIC, not a GROUP. The people in Iraq are not terrorists, they are insurgents. We went in to Iraq to find WMDs. Now we are fighting the "war on the insurgence". B$ |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Paul98 on Jul 13th, 2006, 8:34pm B$, with all due respect, the bombing of the Cole took place October 12, 2000. Bush came in in Jan, 2001. Any effort goes to Bush. Ramsi Yousef, yes the Clinton admin. got him but bringing them to justice will not deter them will it? Did it? NO. Where in my last post did I use the term/word terror, terrorist or terrorism? I thought I was very clear in my definition. -P. |
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Title: Re: This is good : )----- Post by Dissident on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:27pm on 07/13/06 at 19:13:02, Paul98 wrote:
I'm actually dyslexic thank you very much ;) |
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