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(Message started by: JeffB on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:15pm)

Title: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by JeffB on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:15pm

Should we hit their missle thats ready to be launched?

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Richr8 on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:19pm

We have just the toy that can do it right here...
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h215/richr8/EKV.jpg

The exoatmosheric kill vehicle.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by BobG on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:19pm

OK with me. Might as well completely empty the taxpayer's wallet with another war.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by JeffB on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:23pm

on 07/03/06 at 16:19:38, Richr8 wrote:

We have just the toy that can do it right here...
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h215/richr8/EKV.jpg

The exoatmosheric kill vehicle.

Nice! It looks like a turbo garbage dosposal unit.
lmao.
I guess the billions that ere given to them in the 90's didn't work.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by JeffB on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:28pm

on 07/03/06 at 16:19:38, Richr8 wrote:

We have just the toy that can do it right here...
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h215/richr8/EKV.jpg

The exoatmosheric kill vehicle.

I was diving off the coast of the Channel Islands one night and watched a launch from Vandenberg and what looked like a hit in Oct of 02. Coolest thing I've seen. We all thought the missile was a plane until the contrail was reflecting sunlight, then a blue green cloud appeard way above.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Jonny on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:30pm

on 07/03/06 at 16:19:44, BobG wrote:

OK with me. Might as well completely empty the taxpayer's wallet with another war.

I vote that the first N Korean missle hit Vegas ;;D

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Ghost on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:31pm

on 07/03/06 at 16:30:07, Jonny wrote:

I vote that the first N Korean missle hit Vegas ;;D

Can I get an Amen! ;;D

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Richr8 on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:31pm

Nice to know we can essentially shoot a bullet out of the sky.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Jonny on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:42pm

Just a fly on the wall ;;D

http://www.6q.net/freehost/6q_1_FlyEricFly!.jpg

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by JeffB on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:57pm

on 07/03/06 at 16:30:07, Jonny wrote:

I vote that the first N Korean missle hit Vegas ;;D

Naw, the government was going to do that last month. But if you have google earth you can find area 51 pretty easily and just to the southwest of there, you can see hundreds of craters from tests.
And just about a mile from the Condo I owned in Henderson there was a place that PepCon had to make rocket fuel. Google PepCon or Henderson explosion to see a friggin big blast.
I had to sign a waiver before I closed on the condo saying I won't get mad if my kids start growing arms out their backs.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Jonny on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:03pm

Hitler lives!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/xenopherus/EricHitler.jpg

But he wont fly...go figure....LOL ;;D

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by unsolved1 on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 6:37pm

The DPRK (North Korea) has said they would retaliate with an "annihilating" nuclear strike against the US if we bomb their missle.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060703/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_us_11;_ylt=Ak6942924nvZuEOxfEiqxZMGw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/03/world/main1773966.shtml

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060703/pl_nm/korea_north_deterrent_dc_1

More info can be found all over the web news.

If we did 'strike and destroy' their missle and they did try to shoot any missle at the US (escpecially a nuclear missle) ... the US should annihilate their whole friggin country within minutes !!!

" Let's Roll ! "

UNsolved

BTW ... F Iran 2 !!

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by alchemy on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 6:45pm

I vote that the first N Korean missle hit Vegas

may as well, you know what they say what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas ;;D

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by BobG on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 7:05pm

on 07/03/06 at 16:57:42, JeffB wrote:

And just about a mile from the Condo I owned in Henderson there was a place that PepCon had to make rocket fuel. Google PepCon or Henderson explosion to see a friggin big blast.

I was home on blast day. Pretty cool it was. My house is about 4 miles from blast center. It caved in my aluminum garage door. If you Google PepCon please don't look for the owners name and I won't tell you my last name. We don't like to talk about “that” branch of the family cactus.

on 07/03/06 at 16:30:07, Jonny wrote:

I vote that the first N Korean missle hit Vegas ;;D

They can take their best shot but it'll just bounce off.
Too much silicone in Vegas.
::)

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Sandy_C on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 7:45pm

Number 1 - yes, we should attempt to shoot down any missle that N. Korea launches, if we really have that capability. I'm not so sure that we have had any really successful tests doing this, but if it worked, it sure would be a nice deterrant. But, if it doesn't work, we will look like we cannot defend our country. So do we, or don't we?

Number 2 - copying from one of Jonny's links:

""The army and people of the DPRK are now in full preparedness to answer a pre-emptive attack with a relentless annihilating strike and a nuclear war with a mighty nuclear deterrent," the report said.""

How is it that if N. Korea launches a missle, even if it's just a "test" missle, aimed at the US, and we shoot it down, that WE have launched a "pre-emptive strike" ?

Just for thoughts.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by mynm156 on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 8:16pm

I vote to turn their country into an international parking lot! Bombs away!

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Richr8 on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 8:36pm

on 07/03/06 at 19:45:31, Sandy_C wrote:

http://www.raytheon.com/products/ekv/

Answer to question 1

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Richr8 on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 8:47pm

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h215/richr8/WonTheTosskORANS.jpg

God I love our county!

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by chewy on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 9:59pm

Quote:

I vote that the first N Korean missle hit Vegas

NO!

no no no no no no no no no !

I've got to many.......uhhh.............Friends in Vegas.

Yeah thats it! Friends.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:34pm

That StarWars thing doesnt really exist, does it?
I remember Regan tried to get that going, feasibility seemed to be an issue, then I thought the whole project was dead by like 1990 or 1995.
B$

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by dissident on Jul 4^th, 2006, 12:50am

No need to take a vote...it's gonna happen one of these days.
You guys ever heard of PNAC (Project For A New American Century)? It is a neo-conservative think tank established in 1997. The brain child / creator of this "think tank" was none other than Ole Dick Cheney. Here are some other names you might recognize that were part of this "think tank"...Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, I. Lewis Libby among others that are now high ranking administration officials.
They released their official document in 2000 called "Rebuilding Americas Defenses".
That document openly -proposes military and economic, space, cyberspace, and global domination by the United States, so as to establish — or maintain — American dominance in world affairs (Pax Americana)-.
It's funny, in that document Rumsfeld writes...
"Our stated goals will never be realized absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event –like a new Pearl Harbor”.
Shortly after that document was released and Rumsfeld was appointed SOD, 9/11 happened.
You all should read that document found here...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm

This document is something every Patriotic American should read...then read again!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

Remember, the people that created PNAC and released this .PDF are the same people who now run our country. This is not what -I think- they want to do...
These are their stated goals!
Americans are so use to hearing "Conspiracy Theory" that I'm not sure they understand when they are confronted with conspiracy fact.
My point...N.Korea is already marked with a big ole X.
I vote that we take out N.Korea today (JULY 4TH)...a few 1000MT Thero Nukes would make for one hell of a fireworks show!!! 8)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MY BEAUTIFUL AND BELOVED AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by unsolved1 on Jul 4^th, 2006, 1:23am

Well...I actually never saw the EKV before, but I have heard of THAAD for many years. I believe they said the tests results were 5 out of 10 successful intercepts (I could be wrong though). That's not too good :-/

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/thaad/

UNsolved

PS. Land for sale in North Korea. Any bidders ?? :P

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by MJ on Jul 4^th, 2006, 1:24am

on 07/03/06 at 16:15:34, JeffB wrote:

Should we hit their missle thats ready to be launched?

A military action thats needed and we are negotiating whats up with that? Give them more rice to feed their army?

I generally dont agree with the kill em all ideas but in this case and should a missile launch occur.

Unsolved wrote;
"If we did 'strike and destroy' their missle and they did try to shoot any missle at the US (escpecially a nuclear missle) ... the US should annihilate their whole friggin country within minutes !!!"

Either we do the above or begin smuggling in junk foods and stupid movies to the people of N. Korea to break the barriers while facing death and torture.

They have one of the best trained super armies in the world. Led by Dear leader, Supreme commander of the Korean Peoples army etc.. A complete pshyco, organizational genius and god to his people.

Worse yet the whole country is in the army.

Even worse still it is a complete and totally brainwashed army. I couldnt imagine millions of soldiers spilling out across the world like an army of fire ants. The masses believe that only they have superior technology and are invincible. They absolutely need containment.
The missiles are big but if the DPRK chose to march thats major.

Ever tried to eradicate a mound of fire ants, its been said they have lived well through nuclear fallout.

We think religous extremists are bad. I can say that you aint seen nuthin yet.

Another note, the missile defense system is pretty good for NK at least and though the exothingy only works 55% of the time we have more than one way to kill a missile.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by unsolved1 on Jul 4^th, 2006, 2:01am

"Can America's Missile Defense Handle North Korea?"

concerning the EKV ...
"Pentagon audits also slammed Raytheon Corp., which builds the $40 million interceptor, for shoddy work. "The contractor cannot build a consistent and reliable product," the GAO said in a March report."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1210029,00.html?cnn=yes

UNsolved

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by floridian on Jul 4^th, 2006, 7:29am

Sure. Let's bomb North Korea. They will attack South Korea and destroy half the country, and then we can retaliate and destroy the other half. That would be a brilliant final solution to the Korean problem.

How many of the 37,000 American troops stationed in South Korea are worth sacrificing for this pre-emptive war? Y'all feeling 'patriotic' enough to create 20,000 more American martyrs? Bin Laden only gave us 3,000.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by stevegeebe on Jul 4^th, 2006, 8:43am

What about this...

Let's announce that the US has temporarily suspend the atmospheric test ban treaty and detonate a few hydrogen bombs off the coast of North Korea....at night.

Steve G

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by unsolved1 on Jul 4^th, 2006, 9:41am

on 07/04/06 at 07:29:38, floridian wrote:

How many of the 37,000 American troops stationed in South Korea are worth sacrificing for this pre-emptive war? Y'all feeling 'patriotic' enough to create 20,000 more American martyrs? Bin Laden only gave us 3,000.

Maybe we should wait until they perfect their missles and bombs, they sell the stuff to all the lunitics in the world, and a nuclear bomb actually goes off in a major US city ... before we ever do a thing ? I don't think that's the answer.

Ever since I was old enough to swing a fist ... If I ever feel threatened by anyone and I don't see a way out ... I SWING FIRST. Even a big guy can't fight too good if he's swallowing his own teeth ! ;)

UNsolved

PS. Even though many have gave their lives for this country, we don't use the phrase "American Martyrs". BTW, you don't have to create any "American Martyrs" to be a patriotic citizen.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by floridian on Jul 4^th, 2006, 10:13am

on 07/04/06 at 09:41:08, unsolved1 wrote:

You are absolutely wrong and ignorant on the issue of martyrdom. Americans have used the term "American Martyrs" through most of history. It may be politically incorrect at present to use the term to describe our fallen, probably because most people automatically associate it with 'them' instead of us. But read the history of our country starting with Samuel Adam's description of the Boston Massacre, and you will find that martyrdom is a real American theme.
http://www.americanrevolution.com/MartyrsandHeroes.htm

Here's a description of a CD containing songs sung by secessionists in the War between the States: "After the election of Abraham Lincoln, eleven states secede. The beginning of the war is accompanied by songs of optimism, of "Copperheads" and "Black Republicans," of proud new regiments and of martyrs."
http://www.mcneilmusic.com/civil.html

And then there's a WWII pop song called "Martyrs of the Air" that sang the praises of our pilots that lost their lives.
http://umkcspecialcollections.cdmhost.com/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/p4027coll16&CISOPTR=98&DMDIM=500&DMDIMW=600&DMDIMH=600

Cheney's "1% Doctrine" is ridiculous - if there is a one percent chance that some other country will attack us, we attack them. So we might fight 99 unecessary wars to prevent one. Its a Monty Python skit made into foreign policy: http://www.mzonline.com/bin/view/Python/FearNoManSketch

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by karma on Jul 4^th, 2006, 10:16am

Seems people are getting pretty accepting of unleashing death and destruction on other countries.
North Korea is not a threat to anyone. Its leader is. That problem should be taken care of.
My guess is that with help from the South and the rest of the world, the millions of armed citizens and the rest who are on the brink of starvation will quickly get to work figuring out how to live instead of surviving in fear and repression.

America's strength was in its willingness to help; anywhere, anytime and to fight the battles that needed to be fought. America was respected knowing that it had the ability to protect its own and its friends and would use it of provoked. That respect has been replaced by fear.
This new philosphy of 'Might is Right" will either stop or it will destroy the foundation of the Mighty United States of America. Right now its a coin flip as to what will happen.

Quote:

Ever since I was old enough to swing a fist ... If I ever feel threatened by anyone and I don't see a way out ... I SWING FIRST. Even a big guy can't fight too good if he's swallowing his own teeth

Good point,
America is all grown up now and already missing a few teeth. How many more do we need to lose before we realize that the rest of the world doesn't think of us as their saviors?

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Richr8 on Jul 4^th, 2006, 11:26am

on 07/04/06 at 01:23:30, unsolved1 wrote:

I believe they said the tests results were 5 out of 10 successful intercepts

This is not uncommon at all with leading edge state of the art technology. When you are pushing the envelope, failures are inevitable. I like to remember that you only fail when you give up. EKV, et al, are viable weapons currently emerging from development that wll succeed and continue to keep our troops, and us, out of harms way. With each test launch valuable lessons are learned and applied to the next generation. I believe the urrent record is 3 for 3. Keep your fingers crossed and be glad you pay taxes. Freedom isn't free.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by dissident on Jul 4^th, 2006, 12:10pm

Floridian, Karma
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Government sponsored FEAR is what drives American citizens to accept the inhalation of their Constitution, Bill of Rights and any other country that is a supposed threat!
Republicans - Democrats = Republicats...they are all the same. Rich elitists who want unbridled power.
Hey do you guys think you had a "choice" in the 2004 election? They wanted you to think you had a choice...think about this...Bush AND Kerry both went to Yale. They are both admitted members of a secret society called Skull and Bones (&The Illuminati) and they are both COUSINS! No really...literal cousins. You had no freedom to choose who rules your life and country! :o
No disrespect Richr8 but nothing gets under my skin more than those simplistic, mindless mottos like "Freedom isn't free"..."We gotta fight em over there before we have to fight em here"
Here's a motto for you guys...
THESE COLORS DON'T RUN...................................................................................................
THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4286105/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml

http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/kerry_bush_sb.htm

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2006, 12:15pm

"I believe everybody on the planet is related if you go back far enough,"

LMMFAO!! ;;D

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by dissident on Jul 4^th, 2006, 12:21pm

True enough...if you believe the whole Adam and Eve thing. Does that mean we're all committing incest...LOL...kidding ::)

Okay I'm stepping out of this thread now. I really don't want to make enemy's before I even get to know everyone (or before you get to know me)...I'm just a bit opinionated. Thanks for a healthy debate :-*

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by maffumatt on Jul 4^th, 2006, 12:38pm

The Koreans are some bad bad boys. They are not pushovers. Flo's right about this one, it would be better to starve and freeze them into submission. their inability to feed their people is their weakness, so is their fuel oil imports. If it came to blows they would be halfway down the pennisula before we could react. But then again they might just do it anyway just for the hell of it, the guy isn't all that predictable.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by LeLimey on Jul 4^th, 2006, 12:39pm

on 07/04/06 at 12:21:36, dissident wrote:

Okay I'm stepping out of this thread now. I really don't want to make enemy's before I even get to know everyone...I'm just a bit opinionated. Thanks for a healthy debate :-*

Bloody hell fire.. a man behaving nicely?!

Now I HAVE seen it all! ;)

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by MJ on Jul 4^th, 2006, 12:46pm

on 07/04/06 at 10:16:46, karma wrote:

Good points Karma.

I was and still am against the iraq invasion, the Iran baloney, our positions in the islamic world and the drug wars in latin america. Each of those have created only more problems for the U.S.
Even those places taking out the leaders could not be done.
I dont remember any of the above threatening directly the U.S. except in false statements by our administration

I was for the afghanistan, al queda conflict. Where Bin Laden et al actually intentionally sent harm to us.

Your right in the fact our bridges to the rest of the world have been burned badly due to treading in places we dont belong.
Its no different than some putzes trying to force me to wear a seat belt when I dont want to.

N. Korea is another thing. Capable or not they have made threats toward the U.S. and the west.

The absolute leader there has done a brilliant job of shifting fear and repression away from him and against the western world and particularly the U.S.
Remember charles mansons tribe. We may be facing the same in NK., only multiplied 4 million times.
No doubt the people there are good people just extremely misled and highly disciplined from birth which makes a scary prospect that would take generations to correct.

A partial response will never work in NK in my opinion. This is one time where might does make right.

It is an all or none situation in our responses. A partial effort will create what Flo says and enrage the chinese and begin WWIII. Nostradomus visions come true.

Next question can we afford another conflict while we are persuading the middle east to go back on centuries of religous teachings. Dont know.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Richr8 on Jul 4^th, 2006, 12:59pm

on 07/04/06 at 12:10:10, dissident wrote:

nothing gets under my skin more than those simplistic, mindless mottos like "Freedom isn't free"...

Disrespect? I will say that my use of the term is not simplistic or mindless. That statement is based on a lifetime of serving and taveling the world seeing first hand that what we have here is not a given. I gladly pay my taxes with the understanding that much of it will not be spent well, but with the hope that we will continue to develop the defenses we require preserve our way of life.

I'm sure you have a few mottos that get under my skin, but I do respect your right to say them, and I will not attack your comments as you have mine without insight as to who you are, or you life experience..

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by unsolved1 on Jul 4^th, 2006, 3:20pm

Well...I think they're saying it's ready to fly !

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/04/korea.missile/index.html

We'll see

UNsolved

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Melissa on Jul 4^th, 2006, 4:58pm

They are fucking nuts! I cannot believe they just fired the things. Is it OK now for us to get pissed?

sheesh! >:(

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2006, 5:06pm

on 07/04/06 at 16:58:32, Melissa wrote:

They are fucking nuts! I cannot believe they just fired the things. Is it OK now for us to get pissed?

sheesh! >:(

They did?

Theres nothing on my TV or radio about it.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 4^th, 2006, 5:20pm

yeah, they fired 3 missiles.

Looks like its time to do some talking, huh?

[smiley=laugh.gif]
B$

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Kevin_M on Jul 4^th, 2006, 5:23pm

A couple short range missiles but the long range one broke up soon after and didn't go far, it failed as an intercontinental missile.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2006, 6:29pm

Long range?

40 seconds aint that long.....LOL ;;D

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Kevin_M on Jul 4^th, 2006, 6:47pm

on 07/04/06 at 18:29:20, Jonny wrote:

Long range?

40 seconds aint that long.....LOL ;;D

It was suppose to reach Alaska. It's toast.

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images2/21854.jpg

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by lilboo on Jul 4^th, 2006, 6:51pm

They just announced that there was a 4th, 5th,and 6th missle, the 4th was a scud and the 5th & sixth one was launched just moments ago.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by unsolved1 on Jul 4^th, 2006, 8:07pm

LOL ;;D

I'm going out to fire off a few missles right now !

http://www.taterhollow.com/GIFS/scudmisl.gif

http://www.fagshategod.co.uk/comics/insanity/gifs/missile.gif

UNsolved

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by chewy on Jul 4^th, 2006, 9:12pm

Quote:

Hadley said the long-range missile was the Taepodong-2, which failed 35 seconds after launch.

Quote:

Is it OK now for us to get pissed?

We dont have to. They pissed off Japan. Now they got real troubles.

Title: Re: Bomb N.Korea??
Post by Charlie on Jul 5^th, 2006, 12:48am

One of the not so clever things to do was to test fire weapons that were billed as something for us to worry about, on the Fourth of July. I can't think of a day when more Americans would support some kind of hasty reply. I just hope we do something right but what, I don't know. These are not sane individuals.

This is one area where we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Short of an asteroid taking out the penninsula, it needs careful tweaking.

Little Kim....handsome devil that he is.... is unhinged. Even the Iranian loons look good in comparison.

We need spooks to take him out; but what a mess.

Charlie