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(Message started by: Melvyn on Jun 18^th, 2006, 3:52pm)

Title: What are rebounds?
Post by Melvyn on Jun 18^th, 2006, 3:52pm

Hi,

I know this may sound like a stupid question to most people out there, but I keep reading about 'rebound headaches' but don't know what they are. Can anybody explain please?

regards,

Melvyn

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by Richr8 on Jun 18^th, 2006, 3:54pm

Headaches induced by the overuse of a specific medication. OTC meds like, aspirin and ibuprofen are notorious for this as is Imitrex.

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 18^th, 2006, 4:55pm

Rebound is used for a certain type of headache, but us clusterheads use the term to mean what Rich said.

If you take me for an example, when I get a cluster headache, I can take Trex, but I need to take a very small dose of Trex. If I take a full dose, it may make that particular headache go away, but then will return with a fury. That returning fury is what we call a rebound.

Hope this helps
BMonee

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by andrewjb on Jun 18^th, 2006, 5:39pm

on 06/18/06 at 16:55:46, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:

:),it dose.and thanks for asking the question.

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by Jonny on Jun 18^th, 2006, 8:03pm

Ditto Rich!

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by AussieBrian on Jun 18^th, 2006, 10:20pm

on 06/18/06 at 15:52:37, Melvyn wrote:

I know this may sound like a stupid question.....

No such thing, mate. That's why we're here.

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Jun 19^th, 2006, 4:31pm

I can vouch for BMonees' answer.

I just now got the injectors and was so happy to abort my first CH after I got the stuff.

I then got hit very hard several times a day for the next three days.

As a result, I am trying very hard not to use the trex injections unless I really need it and the next time, I'll probably try to do the manual thing to only get 2 mgs.

The Red Bull actually helps with the lower grade shadows if I down one soon enough.

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by Melvyn on Jun 19^th, 2006, 7:24pm

Thanks a lot guys - Tried Taurine and 5HTL to no avail. Just got some melatonin via the net from the States - EU regs banned it in Europe. Been on it for three days and had one day CH free but too early to say whether it will kill the beast!!

Regards and thanks again for your helpful replies

Melvyn

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by CHTom on Jun 20^th, 2006, 11:58am

I haven't been able to find any scientific literature regarding the existence of rebound cluster headaches; my doctors tell me that rebound clusters do not exist. All that I have been able to find is that rebounds exist with "normal" headaches but say nothing of the phenomena with CH, migraine and other atypical, severe HA conditions. Can anyone point me to a reliable, scientific source which proves the existence of rebound CH? Thanks.

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by Goblin on Jun 20^th, 2006, 1:01pm

Its called EXPERIENCE!

But for you here is a link explaining rebound headaches. Rebound being... The first characteristic that would alert someone to the possibility that their headaches are rebound headaches is that they have headaches daily. Daily or almost daily headaches are most often due to rebound. That pattern, coupled with daily or almost daily use of analgesic medicines or caffeine will help define rebound headache. And, rebound headaches typically occur in people who also have a history of migraine.

Sorry but here is the link

http://www.lifematters.com/hrt_rebound.asp

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by CHTom on Jun 20^th, 2006, 2:15pm

Read the article...no mention of Chronic CH which, as you know, involves daily attacks. The mechanism of rebounds is such that if the HAs were caused by using improper meds, after one or more days without meds the HAs would disappear. With chronic CH, this does not apply as the HAs are daily, with or without meds. As several others have written in this post, narcotic analgesics do work for some with chronic CH and even if the meds take 15-30 minutes or so to start working, a chronic CH attack can last for several hours, so the argument that by the time the meds start to work the HAs are gone does not hold true. As others have said, and I agree, some meds work for some people and not for others and if narcotic analgesics bring relief to someone with chronic CH then I don't see any problem. Less than 2% of people who use narcotic meds become addicted, but given the choice between the agonizing, diabling pain of chronic CH and perhaps developing an addiction, I think that most chronic CH sufferers would rather have the addiction than the horrible daily and disabling pain of chronic CH.

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by LeLimey on Jun 20^th, 2006, 2:23pm

and so we're back to narcotics, there's a surprise.
Tom John, Donny Osmond, whatever you're calling yourself today - get it through your head that no one here gives a flying canoe about what you think. The vast majority of us here have an do experience "rebounds". Brian explained, quite eloquently, what "rebound" means to a clusterhead.
If that doesn't comply with your view of what "rebounds" mean then hold on I'll get my violin and play you a really sad song.

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by Jonny on Jun 20^th, 2006, 3:48pm

on 06/20/06 at 14:15:11, CHTom wrote:

I think that most chronic CH sufferers would rather have the addiction than the horrible daily and disabling pain of chronic CH.

Thats the most idiotic statement that I have read in the seven years ive been here....Unreal! ::)

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by Linda_Howell on Jun 20^th, 2006, 5:13pm

Quote:

Less than 2% of people who use narcotic meds become addicted,

Point us in the direction where you came up with this percentage while you're at it. 2% huh? unbelievable !!!! but then again I am one of those chronics who would NOT rather have an addiction than CH.

Good grief.

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by BlueMeanie on Jun 20^th, 2006, 7:57pm

Triptans can cause reaccuring Cluster Headaches. There is a difference. A rebound headaches IS NOT a Cluster Headache.

According to the International Classification of Headaches Disorders, 2nd edition, from the International Headache Society, there is no studies proving or disproving that Triptans will cause rebounds.

Here is a list of OVERUSED meds that WILL cause rebounds: DHE, Migranal, Cafergot, Acetaminphen, Codeine, Diluadid and COMBINATION meds such as aspirin, acetaminophen, and caffeine and Vicodin.

A rebound headache is a DULL HEADACHE, unlike a migraine or Clusterheadache. It is more like an annoying shadow that we get. You DO NOT get classic symptoms of a normal Migraine and/or Cluster during a rebound headache.

MY 2 cents :P

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by Melvyn on Jun 21^st, 2006, 5:52am

Hey Guys,

I'm sorry if I have started an argument. I do value everybody's point of view no matter how divergent.

Must say that, after using Imigran injects - I do feel that the next session of CH is more intense - almost as if the sods have been queuing up waiting for the passageway to open up again!! But the hardest part is not being able to have a beer.

My, very understanding wife, comes home on a hot day and asks me to make her a G&T or Pimms and I think - 'should I have just one drink' but experience has taught me that it just isn't worth it.

If we could bottle CH do you think we would have a cure for Alcholics?

ENGLAND for the World Cup!!

Title: Re: What are rebounds?
Post by Chillrmn1 on Jun 21^st, 2006, 6:25am

BlueMeanie,
Your explanation seems most accurate to me. I've also been guilty of associating "rebound" with the resultant CH attack after my past use of trex.

Thanks for the insight.

Bob