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Title: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 14th, 2006, 7:32pm http://michellemalkin.com/archives/2006_06.htm "Did you know there are seven young Marines and a Navy corpsman sitting in a military brig right now in leg and wrist shackles -- despite the fact that they've not been charged with any crime?" "The national media ignored a protest by supporters outside Camp Pendleton over the weekend. Not a peep heard yet from the American Civil Liberties Union. The website of the self-anointed crusaders for individual rights contains hundreds of articles on the rights of al Qaeda suspects and an indignant press release on the suicides of Guantanamo Bay detainees. But no mention of the Camp Pendleton Eight. For their part, human rights groups were too busy shedding tears for the Gitmo terrorist suicide squad and lionizing them as "heroes" in the words of William Goodman of the Center for Constitutional Rights. Editorial cartoonists have been preoccupied desecrating the Marine Corps logo and tarring troops as baby-killers." "Innocent until proven guilty? Justice for all? Benefit of the doubt? These are apparently foreign concepts when it comes to Americans in uniform being held on American soil. Perhaps if our troops proclaimed themselves "conscientious objectors" and converted to Islam, they might start getting some sympathy." Whats wrong with this? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by JeffB on Jun 14th, 2006, 7:46pm WTF, one of the Marines was on his third tour?? What a crock of shiite, here we go again, public opinion is running another war. Can you imagine what these guys go through. An enemy with no uniform who can say and claim anything while standing at his front door and walk out the back with his A K and plant IED's that going to kill. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 14th, 2006, 7:47pm Seems to me they forgot they were the American Civil Liberties Union.... Sheesh. DD |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by fubar on Jun 14th, 2006, 7:51pm Although the idea of an organization to protect out civil liberties is a good one, the ACLU we have today is not that. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 14th, 2006, 7:52pm on 06/14/06 at 19:47:07, Donna_D. wrote:
Someone should ask them why they have an office in London!....thats not America, is it? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by mynm156 on Jun 14th, 2006, 7:55pm Good GRAVEY! Dont let them Rot guilty or not these are our boys give them their day!!! Thank you to all of you who have served or are serving a great nation in the Armed Forces!!! MYNM156 |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by alchemy on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:08pm What a way to treat AMERICANS who put their lives on the line eveyday for us. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:14pm What's wrong with it is that hysterical ditz Michelle Malkin is writing about it in shrill tones. Is she saying that the Military is not living by the Uniform Code of Military Justice? Or is she just saying that the Uniform Code is different from civilian law?? She must be alarmed about the centuries-old difference between the systems, because she doesn't present any evidence that the military justice system is breaking down in this case. We know the two systems do not have the same procedures (never were identical), but that both are supposed to guarantee the rights of those suspected and those accused. If there is evidence that these soldiers are being denied the rights due to them under the law, then people should be upset. But where is the evidence that is happening? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:23pm on 06/14/06 at 20:14:24, floridian wrote:
What are you saying, Flo....shes lies? (BTW..why the name calling? ) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:33pm on 06/14/06 at 20:23:21, Jonny wrote:
Yes, she makes a career out of lying, distorting and inflaming people. I pulled a post because I may have misinterpreted an ambiguous statement made on this board - if I did misinterpret, my apologies. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:46pm on 06/14/06 at 20:33:22, floridian wrote:
Well Flo, what I see is the writer comparing the treatment of terrorists and American soldiers.....AND where the ACLU is. Is this guy a liar also? "human rights groups were too busy shedding tears for the Gitmo terrorist suicide squad and lionizing them as "heroes" in the words of William Goodman of the Center for Constitutional Rights." Are you a member of the ACLU, Flo? Why does the ACLU have an office in London?.....Hmmmm Do you like America, Flo? What dont you get? http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/united-states-flag_1901_52111274 |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 14th, 2006, 9:15pm on 06/14/06 at 20:46:10, Jonny wrote:
Is that guy a liar?? Well, I don't know that any one was actually shedding tears. Did anyone see him cry, or is someone being hyperbolic? I don't feel they were heroes, but they could have been tragic victims. 167 of the "terrorist" prisoners at Guantanamo have been let go after being held for years in a system of guilty until we decide you are not, and others have been returned to other countries to be imprisoned there. Not really what you would expect if they were all really terrorists out to get the United States. No charges, no chance to defend yourself. And that is not what the servicemen in Fort Pendleton are facing - I am willing to bet real American Dollars that they will either be charged soon and allowed to defend themselves, or be released. Why does the ACLU have an office in London? Probably because its cheaper and closer compared to Geneva - both are considered capitals for groups doing international humanitarian and human rights work. Do I like America? Yes, in spite of the fact that we have embassies and offices in fureign countries. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 14th, 2006, 9:30pm on 06/14/06 at 21:15:13, floridian wrote:
And at least one of them (that we know of) went on to blow up a hotel after being released killing people......has that skipped your mind, Flo? ACLU dont need no London office and we both know it, America is here and so is the CIVIL problems......No? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 14th, 2006, 9:41pm on 06/14/06 at 21:30:10, Jonny wrote:
I wasn't aware of that. Neither is Google, apparently. Searched for "guantanamo releasee hotel bombing" and "guantanamo released hotel bombing" in Google News and Google Web, couldn't find anything. Huh? Quote:
You've really run out of steam when you are questioning the patriotrism of a group simply because it has a branch office in another country. Next your going to turn on political parties that publish their websites in Spanish (http://www.gop.com/espanol/) or accuse the World Fund for Wildlife of being a communist front (Why did they pick a panda for their logo? What's wrong with using an American animal for a logo?) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 14th, 2006, 9:50pm on 06/14/06 at 21:41:36, floridian wrote:
Really?.....What does this say? on 06/14/06 at 19:32:52, Jonny wrote:
I will get back to you on the other point tomorrow....I work and have to sleep now. Love you, Flo :-* |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 14th, 2006, 10:13pm It's actually more simple than is being discussed here. As a card-carrying member of the ACLU I'll tell you why they have offices throughout the world and not just London: We are people in many countries and they have decided to put offices internationally to protect us when we ARE facing different laws and rights. As unpopular as this apparently is, they do it for us. The bastards. They also fought for the right for Nazis to march in Skokie, a heavily Jewish town that tried to stop them. Now they are calling for an end to gitmo's policy of keeping everyone imprisoned forever. They aren't saying prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you shouldn't be a POW. Just that you aren't one of the many who are taken in and there was no reason to keep you here other than we don't want you to talk about the torture. We are not America if we can arrest whoever we want and refuse to release them because we don't want our treatment of them geting out. On the other hand, those who think we should not ensure we aren't rounding up anyone and keeping them like we're a South American country are the same ones who thought we should go to Iraq and will eventually jump on the bandwagon agaon... once they feel safe that their friends won't make fun of them for doing the right thing. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 14th, 2006, 10:44pm on 06/14/06 at 20:33:22, floridian wrote:
can I get a few examples? It seems any conservitive colomist or commentator gets these same labels, mostly without any specific examples. It looks like a ploy to discredit anyyone they don't agree with, yet they believe anything Dan Rather or Al Frankton says as gospel. |
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Title: Sure Maff Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 14th, 2006, 11:13pm All the info is too long to post here so follow the link: http://hnn.us/articles/7094.html |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 14th, 2006, 11:37pm ........I do not doubt, by the way, that the documents to which Malkin cites actually exist; I'm not suggesting she's making them up.......... This quote is from that opinion column you linked to,It is all I need to read. She may be wrong in her opinions but thats all it was, an opinion. I would like to see evidence of these so called lies. this is her reply to this Opinion column ......University of North Carolina law professor Eric Muller has been guest-blogging about my new book this week over at The Volokh Conspiracy. He enlisted the aid of his friend and author Greg Robinson in his endeavor. I welcome the debate from the Eric-Greg tag team and others who have actually read the book and are willing to engage its arguments--as opposed to this MTV bubble-headed pablum........... |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 14th, 2006, 11:58pm on 06/14/06 at 22:13:40, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
and your proud to be part of this? on 06/14/06 at 22:13:40, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
What about the ones that have been released? They were not there forever. These guys were taken off the battlefield, there are still people dieing on this battlefield, you don't release the enemy to rejoin the fight, which is what some of those that have been released has done. on 06/14/06 at 22:13:40, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
I would cast doubt on anything those released claimed, I am sure that they wouldn't LIE to get some bad press for their enemy. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by cootie on Jun 15th, 2006, 12:34am sumtimes I think everything sucks..........ok it's late.........carry on Pam Hi Ted..............missed you !!! http://bestsmileys.com/expressions/7.gif |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Charlie on Jun 15th, 2006, 3:36am Our local newspaper publishes this whiny infant three times a week. I tried many times to give her the benefit of the doubt. I gave up. If anyone is more childish than Ann Coutler, it's she. At least it's obvious that Coulter is more of performer than serious pundit. This kid is very modern. She appeals to the anti-intellectual portion of the electorate that's fired up by outrageous and inflamatory rantings but recoils at the complexity of the real world. Easy plays well with them. When they are called on it, they wrap themselves in the flag, declare that only their kind of conservatives are straight shooters trying to dig themselves out from under the thumb of liberal media. It plays well in Peoria. She focuses on things like gay marriage, flag desecration, and other scary stuff that Daniel Patrick Moynihan rightly called "Boob bait for bubbas." It works too. She is incapable of telling the truth if she doesn't like it. She needs to grow up. Quote:
Here we go.... In fact if you like America, you need play by the rules. Liberals are the ones trying to keep the Bush administration from picking apart the Bill of Rights so they don't have to be as slippery as they already are. This is not a question but a way to try to divert the topic by questioning patriotism. Patriotism is not only defined by military service or party registration. If so, almost the entire Congress are unpatriotic. The ACLU does far far more good than harm. You cannot rely on anything coming from her pen. She does nothing but rail on the left. I do part with Ted on the Nazi marches in Peoria. The reason I didn't become a member is their support of the marches. I'm sorry. Nazis are special. There in nothing good about a Nazi. They represent death, repression and mass murder. To me, it's akin to being pro-cancer. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 7:12am When Capt. James Yee was accused of espionage, Malkin had no concern over the notion of "innocent until proven guilty" as she claims to now. She was quick to throw that soldier under the bus, and indict all of America for it. Turns out that Yee did get a fair trial, and there was no evidence that he committed espionage. Malkin supports the troops - if they are white Christians. Malkin has expressed a clear contempt for religious and ethnic minorities - from defending the wholesale internment of people guilty of having Japanese bloodlines in WWII to cartoonish stereotyping of all Islam today. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 15th, 2006, 8:12am on 06/15/06 at 07:12:00, floridian wrote:
So basicaly she is an asian Uncle Tom? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 8:24am on 06/15/06 at 08:12:24, maffumatt wrote:
No. In Harriet Beecher Stowe's book, Uncle Tom was a good natured guy. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 15th, 2006, 8:31am Well the posts following the one claiming she is a liar has done nothing but reinforce the ideal that liberals are trying to discredit her by makeing unproved accusations like the one that states she is a liar. Now she is racist that hates everyoone who isn't white ( she's asian) and Christian. You have done nothing but prove my earlier point. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Paul98 on Jun 15th, 2006, 8:32am The ACLU picks and chooses the issues that fall in line with its liberal political agenda 99% of the time. -P. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by deltadarlin on Jun 15th, 2006, 8:36am What happened to the precept, "innocent unti proven guilty"? It seems to be that these boys are not being treated fairly. I found this and it does seem to me that they are not being treated according to the UCJ-813. ART. 13 PUNISHMENT PROHIBITED BEFORE TRIAL No person, while being held for trial, may be subjected to punishment or penalty other than arrest or confinement upon the charges pending against him, nor shall the arrest or confinement imposed upon him be any more rigorous than the circumstances required to insure his presence, but he may be subjected to minor punishments. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 9:31am on 06/15/06 at 08:36:57, deltadarlin wrote:
It's normal for prisoners of the US military accused of serious crimes to be fitted with a "3 piece suit" (arm and leg shackles chained to a belt) whenever they are not in their cells. Captain James Yee routinely wore one when he was facing espionage charges. The soldiers at Camp Pendleton facing lesser charges are confined to base; those who may face charges of murder (a capital offense) are in the brig. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by catlind on Jun 15th, 2006, 9:35am I know nothing of the details of this situation, the only thing I do know is the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) does NOT adhere to the standard laws of the rest of the country. Cat |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 10:02am on 06/15/06 at 08:31:28, maffumatt wrote:
So when Malkin defends the wholesale imprisonment of people of Japanese ancestry because there might somewhere be a handful of Japanese spies, that is not racism? Your fine with arresting people because of their race, not because there is evidence they as individuals are part of a crime or a plot? That is merely one example of Malkin's defense of racism. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Slammy on Jun 15th, 2006, 11:39am on 06/15/06 at 10:02:15, floridian wrote:
This is more like racial profiling. And given the right circumstances, like WAR, might be deemed necessary. The problem I have with liberal pacifists is that they are naive to think that if we just leave everyone alone, we will not be attacked. This war with Muslim terrorists did not start on 9/11/01, it started in 1979 with the taking of hostages from the US Embassy in Iran. It has spanned over 26 years and 5 presidents, 3 republican and 2 democrats. This is not a political war, it is a religious war, with the stated goal of the Muslim radicals to "Kill all Infidels". We can still lose this war. The problem with the left is that they do not understand what "losing" means. This is not Viet Nam where losing meant hanging our heads and pulling out of the region. Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 12:09pm on 06/15/06 at 11:39:53, Slammy wrote:
Racial profiling is the use of race to identify people for extra investigation. One can argue that properly applied racial profiling is a minor form of racism, as it merely subjects people to occasional inconvience due to their race. Using race to Imprison people in camps for years and seize their property (even while some of their husbands were risking their lives to fight for their country) is not mere racial profiling. It is a far more pernicious form of racism. Malkin would agree with you Slammy - that racism is necessary to protect the nation. Not sure that I agree with either the Japanese internment or what Malkin would like to do with people who Arabs/Muslims. I think that this nation is incredibly strong and resistant to external threats, and I think that preserving the US Constitution (things like equal protection of the law) is generally not an option. She clearly is a hypocrite with a double standard. When Capt. Yee was accused of espionage, she wasn't saying support our troops, don't rush to judge, innocent until proven guilty - she cited him as proof that we had been infiltrated, and she criticized him for being a chaplain and doing the job the military told him to do - ministering to the prisoners at Guantanamo. I think Malkin is trying to undermine confidence in the military justice system so that if any soldiers are found guilty of a massacre, she can blame it on the liberal media and politicians corrupting the system. And I see no evidence that the military is not following procedure on this case. I'm still willing to bet Johnny that the soldiers will get due process. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 15th, 2006, 12:19pm I am still waiting for the examples of her lies, as it stands now you are being exactly what you accuse her to be on all counts. If you don't like her opinions thats fine, her articles are editorials, back up your accusations with facts. And please get them from somwhere other than the Daily Kos, because they Are exactly what you accuse her doing. And on that count I Can back it up with fact. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Slammy on Jun 15th, 2006, 12:30pm Flo, In general, I don't subscribe to Malkin's points of view. Extremes go both ways.. left and right. I don't think that left-wing liberal pacifists are unpatriotic. Naive... but not unpatriotic :D. While I treasure the Constitution and what it stands for, I do not feel that it is in peril when some civil rights are restricted for the safety and defense of the country. We gave up several civil rights during WWII and quickly restored them after the victory. In fact, we added many more since then. I do not think racial profiling, in general, is un constitutional. However, how it is implemented can be. The Japanese interment during WWII was a prime example of poor execution. One might say criminal. But targeting your investgation based on racial profiling is not treading on civil liberties. If there were over 7500 terrorist attacks world wide since 1981, and almost all of them were committed by Muslim men between the ages of 17 and 40, wouldn't prudence suggest that we focus our attention on those that fit that profile? Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Bob P on Jun 15th, 2006, 12:49pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 1:35pm on 06/15/06 at 12:30:52, Slammy wrote:
Ok, but will this undeclared war ever end? Terrorism is not an enemy - it is a tactic. Anybody can decide to use that tactic at any time. WWII had defined enemies and a begining, a middle and an end. But you can never end an undeclared war against who-ever out there might decide to blow something up some where. Only 7500 terrorist acts? By whose numbers? There have been 7500 acts of terror in Sri Lanka alone since 1981. Almost all of it Hindu on Hindu. I also think you are discounting history if you think that their goal of the war is to kill all infidels. The strategy against the Soviets in Afghanistan was to bleed them, particularly economically. Coincidentally, I just heard that the Wall Street money boys at Standard & Poor's are talking about downgrading US debt - it may no longer have the highest level of confidence and the most favorable interest rates. They also said that if current trends continue, within 5 - 10 years the US could have its debt down-graded to third-world status. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 2:04pm on 06/15/06 at 12:19:58, maffumatt wrote:
And I am still waiting for Jonny to cough up some facts from page 1 of this thread. Get in line. But before I address the issue of lying, I would like to know if you think that defending the imprisonment of 100,000+ Japanese (as Malkin has done in her book) because they were Japanese constitutes racism. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Slammy on Jun 15th, 2006, 2:11pm on 06/15/06 at 13:35:22, floridian wrote:
Flo, Terrorism is indeed a tactic, but Muslim extremists ARE the enemy. I am not discounting history. "kill all infidels" is the stated goal, I did not make that up. The Soviet war in Afghanistan was not fought for the same reason. The Soviets were caught up in an Afghani civil war between the communist government and the the ethnic tribal factions. In that way, there are similarities to our Viet Nam conflict. However, i will grant you that the insurgents in Iraq are using a similar strategy. While WWII was a "war against countries, and the enemy defined by contrasting uniforms and insignia", the war against terrorism is no less a war. The Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, as well as the US failure in Viet Nam were caused by the same systemic issues. The failure to have a clear and defined mission and objective once troops were committed to the region. The mission and objective in Iraq is clear and defined. Root all terrorist insurgents out of the country and support the development of an Iraqi self- governed infrastructure. It no longer matters why we went there in the first place. It only matters what we do now and in the future. Just because the time-table is not defined ( I have never heard of a war with a time table), doesn't mean the objective is not defined. Regarding the economical impact of war, I couldn't agree with you more. Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 2:42pm Not saying you are making it up. Some extremists have said that, just like Ann Coulter said we should kill their leaders and force them to convert to Christianity. But I think that is a minority opinion, not what is driving most people. In the case of Afghanistan, the Taliban want to bring that country under their version of sharia. In the case of Al Qaeda, they want to restore the caliphate (bin Laden sees himself as a modern day Saladin). In the case of Iraq, the conflict is mostly unrelated to fundamentalist anti-westernism. The Kurds, Sunni, and various factions of Shia are all jockeying for power and control, and we are in the middle of it. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 15th, 2006, 3:29pm on 06/15/06 at 14:04:23, floridian wrote:
I had nothing to do with anyones comments but my own. Do I think the internment of the Japanese was wrong ? Yes. Is that my opinion? Yes. Does her opinion differ? Yes. Is it an opinion ? Yes. Have you read the book? I doubt it. Have you taken some liberal bloggers opinion as a fact, I bet so. You are still doing what you accuse her of doing. Isn't that a little hypocritical on your part? on 06/14/06 at 20:33:22, floridian wrote:
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 15th, 2006, 3:40pm I have this recurring nightmare... *scene opens a large round table surrounded by clusterheads sits in the middle of a dimly lit room* It's Jonny, Matt and Tom K sitting at one half of the table and Floridian and Charlie at the other with Ted in the middle mediating a political debate between the two groups... I always wake up screaming before anyone gets hurt though :P DD |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 15th, 2006, 3:41pm on 06/14/06 at 21:15:13, floridian wrote:
I havent found info on the bombing (Yet) but it looks like when we do let the innocent ones go they dont go home and get a paper route. and we cant track them all, can we? Former Gitmo detainee killed in Afghanistan By wire services Published September 27, 2004 KABUL, Afghanistan - A senior Taliban commander who had been released from the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was killed Saturday in Uruzgan province, Afghan officials said. The commander, Maulavi Ghaffar, had spent eight months in the Guantanamo prison, said interior minister Ali Jalali. Ghaffar had been captured after fighting for the Taliban in northern Afghanistan, Jalali said. After Ghaffar's release more than a year ago, he was appointed the Taliban's regional commander in Uruzgan and Helmand provinces, said Jan Mohammad Khan, the governor of Uruzgan province. The governor said Ghaffar had carried out attacks against U.S. Special Forces soldiers and an attack on a district chief in Helmand. Three Afghan soldiers were killed in that attack. The governor said that on Friday, officials learned that Ghaffar planned to attack the police in Chachani district, and instead the Afghan forces killed him and two of his men. Officials in Afghanistan and the United States have indicated in the past that at least five Afghan detainees released from Guantanamo had returned to Afghanistan and again become Taliban commanders or fighters. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Kevin_M on Jun 15th, 2006, 4:17pm on 06/15/06 at 15:40:18, Donna_D. wrote:
You need Cinemascope dreaming to include the two rows of popcorn tossing. Comb out the one's in the back of your hair Donna and check down your front. ;) :-* The empty seat was Chewy's, we gave him pizza money but he never came back. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 15th, 2006, 4:18pm Yep, all these innocent folks we let go are just great guys, eh? Former Gitmo detainee held over Russia attack Kudayev allegedly linked to south Russia raid, freed from U.S. custody in '04 NALCHIK, Russia - A man who was held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba has been detained on suspicion of involvement in attacks on police last month in southern Russia, a senior prosecutor said Friday. Relatives and lawyers confirmed that Rasul Kudayev, a Russian who was released from Guantanamo last year, had been detained and insisted the charges have been fabricated. Deputy Prosecutor General Nikolai Shepel said witnesses, along with Kudayev’s own confessions, confirmed his involvement in preparing and carrying out the Oct. 13 attacks on government and law enforcement offices in Nalchik, the capital of the troubled Kabardino-Balkariya region. At least 139 people died in the nearly simultaneous daytime assaults on law enforcement offices, including the 94 accused attackers, according to official tallies. Shepel said more than 40 people have been detained on suspicion of involvement. Alexandra Zernova, a lawyer for Kudayev, said that her client was physically too weak to participate in the attacks and said he had been tortured into confessing. Kudayev was imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay after being captured in Afghanistan and linked to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, a terror group with alleged ties to al-Qaida. Since his release last year, he and his family have been repeatedly harassed by police, said his mother, Fatimat Takayeva. Shepel also said that Ruslan Nakhushev, a respected Islamic expert and well-known government critic who has been missing since being questioned by security officers Nov. 4, has been charged with instigating the attack. Kabardino-Balkariya is one of several North Caucasus regions that has long been plagued by endemic corruption and violence — some of it stemming from criminal gang feuds and some spilling over from nearby Chechnya. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 15th, 2006, 4:40pm on 06/15/06 at 15:40:18, Donna_D. wrote:
If we were all in a room sitting at a table we would be acting like long lost brothers that hadn't seen each other in awhile. I quite enjoy our political disagreements as long as they remain civil. It makes you think, food for the brain. I don't agree with Flos politics but when it comes to meds and CH he is the goto man, and for that he deserves and has my utmost respect. For sticking to his guns on the political threads and not caving in because someone disagrees, that you have to respect too. edited to add.........even if he is wrong lol |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 15th, 2006, 4:46pm Ditto to Matt....LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 15th, 2006, 5:11pm on 06/15/06 at 16:40:26, maffumatt wrote:
X2,000,000 Just because we don't agree doesn't mean that we couldn't drink beer, or something... I think I would have less respect for Flo if he caved. Stick to your guns, no matter what the outcome. 8) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 5:35pm on 06/15/06 at 15:41:59, Jonny wrote:
Ok, lets say that the report from the governor of Afghanistan is accurate (which is questionable - Superman Ghafar made attacks (plural!) on US Special Forces troops? - how many people live after their first attack on special forces?) But even assuming that it was correct - that doesn't change the question - how many people do we keep when there is little or no evidence? Somebody is suspected of child molesting, but no proof ... lock him up and throw away the key and the Constitution, or let him go with the knowledge that he will offend again if he is in fact a child molester? The old standard was 'better to let 10 guilty men go free than put one innocent man in jail unjustly." Whats the new rule of law? Better to imprison 112,000 innocent Japanese than let 12 spies remain free? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 15th, 2006, 5:41pm Seems to me that the dudes in gitmo were caught on a battle field trying to kill Americans, they have no rights under OUR Constitution....am I wrong on this? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 5:47pm on 06/15/06 at 15:29:50, maffumatt wrote:
You lost that bet - although I haven't read her book, I am not relying solely on 3rd party bloggers or hearsay. I have read more than a few of her columns on the topic. http://tinyurl.com/o2jg4 citations Enough to say with clarity that she supports the arrest of innocent people based on their race or religion. If you don't consider that racism, then I don't think we can have a discussion. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 15th, 2006, 5:53pm show me |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 6:10pm on 06/15/06 at 17:53:46, maffumatt wrote:
Start with the title of her book: In Defense of Internment: The Case for 'Racial Profiling' in World War II and the War on Terror. That should be your first clue that she does in fact defend the WWII policy of rounding up the Japanese, and that she thinks the policy is relevant to the current day. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 15th, 2006, 6:35pm you cant judge a book by its cover I recently spoke with a group of bright, young law students and undergrads from the best schools in the country, including Yale, Georgetown, the University of Chicago and William and Mary. We discussed my new book, "In Defense of Internment: The Case for 'Racial Profiling' in World War II and the War on Terror." When I mentioned that a large number of those interned in U.S. Department of Justice camps were of European descent, the students showed surprise. "I didn't know that," someone said aloud. Thanks to a left-wing monopoly on the teaching of World War II history, not many other Americans know about these long-forgotten internees, either. Generations of schoolchildren have been taught to believe that our government threw only ethnic Japanese into camps because of wartime hysteria and anti-Asian bigotry. It's a convenient myth that allows today's civil liberties absolutists to guilt-trip America into opposing any use of racial, nationality or religious profiling to protect the homeland. In fact, enemy aliens from all Axis nations -- not just Japan -- were subjected to curfews, registration, censorship, exclusion from sensitive areas and internment during World War II. Enemy aliens from Europe and their family members (many of whom were U.S.-born) made up nearly half of the total internee population. She must be an equal opertunity bigot http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/blog/images/uploads/Michelle_Malkin_Luce_Calendar-cropped.jpg I find it hard to believe that she is an anti-asian racist. In none of her columns have I found that we should round up all muslems and deport or intern them. However she does advocate paying special attention to muslem communities since that is where most of the captured terrorist have been from. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 15th, 2006, 6:42pm About Michelle Malkin: Michelle Malkin makes news and waves with a unique combination of investigative journalism and incisive commentary. She's not afraid to expose hypocritical environmentalists, needle pork-loving politicians or criticize the MTV generation's morally deprived icons. Most of all, she's not afraid to hold up the Immigration and Naturalization Service to the relentless scrutiny it deserves post-Sept. 11. Her ground-breaking research and reporting led to her first book, Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores (Regnery 2002), in which she argues "immigration must be treated as a national-security issue." The book debuted on The New York Times' nonfiction best-seller list at No. 14 (week of Nov. 17, 2002). Malkin's second book, In Defense of Internment: The Case for "Racial Profiling" in World War II and the War on Terror, was released in August 2004. She is releasing her third book, Unhinged: Exposing Liberals Gone Wild, this fall. Malkin began her career in newspaper journalism with the Los Angeles Daily News, where she worked as an editorial writer and weekly columnist from 1992-94. In 1995, she was named Warren Brookes Fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C. In 1996, she joined the editorial board of the Seattle Times, where she penned editorials and weekly columns for three and a half years. Today, her syndicated column appears in over 100 papers nationwide. Malkin's work has been cited in The New York Times, The Washington Post, USA Today, Reader's Digest and U.S. News and World Report. Her freelance work has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, Weekly Standard and Reason magazine. She has appeared on "The O'Reilly Factor," "Hannity and Colmes," "The McLaughlin Group" and "20/20," and is currently a Fox News commentator. Her hard-hitting -- and news-breaking -- commentary has been honored by several national organizations. Among the journalism awards Malkin has received: * The 1998 Council on Governmental Ethics Laws (COGEL) national award, for outstanding service for the cause of governmental ethics and leadership, for investigative columns that exposed campaign finance abuses by Washington state Democrats, Republicans and political organizations. * The 1998 Second Amendment Foundation's James Madison Award, for excellence in journalism "promoting the individual right to keep and bear arms." * The 1997 National Society of Newspaper Columnists writing award, for general interest columnists in newspapers with a circulation of at least 100,000 (2nd place). * The 1997 Evert Clark Science Award for journalists under the age of 30, for commentary and analysis of environmental regulations and science policy (honorable mention). Malkin, the daughter of Filipino immigrants, was born in Philadelphia and raised in southern New Jersey. She has worked as a press inserter, tax preparation aide and network news librarian; she is also a lapsed classical pianist. Malkin's hobbies include crocheting and pier fishing with her dad. A graduate of Oberlin College in Oberlin, Ohio, Malkin currently lives with her husband and daughter in Maryland. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 15th, 2006, 7:35pm on 06/15/06 at 17:47:29, floridian wrote:
This one is the best I've seen in awhile.... |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 15th, 2006, 7:59pm Ok, I've held back for a while now. All I'm adding is that Little White Old Ladies didn't fly planes into WTC. Neither did Black men and women, Asian men and women and white men and women. If we don't racially profile, who's to say that they wouldn't try again? Yes, Tim McVay(sp) was white, so were a host of others, but the largest attack was orchestrated by and we are at war with Muslims. If you wears a permanat tan, have an Arabic dilect and are clutching the Koran, you should be profiled. Me, I'm white, 6'2", 275#, brown hair and a goatee. I get pulled out of line, have my bag searched and wanded every time I go to the airport. What is the big deal? I guess I fit some sort of "profile" that they alwasy pull me out. If you can't deal with being searched a little more than most people, are you hiding something? Get these guys to trial and give them their day in court. The ACLU made sure that ALF and ELF, got their speedy trials, and they are considered the largest domestic terrorist groups in the USA, today. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 15th, 2006, 8:06pm on 06/15/06 at 19:59:27, Tom K wrote:
It took four years to convict Zacarias Moussaoui. Thats one guy! |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 15th, 2006, 9:08pm on 06/15/06 at 14:04:23, floridian wrote:
And im still waiting for an answer from Flo on this! . . . . . . . on 06/15/06 at 17:41:13, Jonny wrote:
Get in line ;) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 15th, 2006, 10:09pm on 06/15/06 at 08:32:40, Paul98 wrote:
Those liberal Nazis in Skokie. ANd if you want to claim that's the 1%, check their record before you use those stats. And actually, Charlie, that was the case that made me become a member. If it was an organization like Paul suggested I wouldn't waste my money. It wasn't a permit to commit genocide but a permit for offensive speech to be spoken where it would be most offensive... which is exactly what the first amendment is there to protect. If I'm diametrically opposed to a certain point of view and people who agree with me are trying to block their ability to speak their views, I'll put my support behind the 1st amendment and not those who agree with my side. Blocking speech is what being PC is all about. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 15th, 2006, 10:29pm on 06/15/06 at 21:08:43, Jonny wrote:
Yup. Now if this was a conventional war where there were actual battlefields and people picked up on the "battlefield" that would be one thing. But, since the "battlefield," by our government's own admission is "anywhere in Iraq" (because it is an insurgency and not a war of land) that doesn't parse too well. Also, if this wasn't the gubment that told us there were weapons of mass destruction ("Slam dunk") or there was Al Qaeda in Iraq (neglecting to mention that the few who were there were in our allied section of Kurdish-controlled Iraq, or that there was al_qaeda in America too So, are we asking that the prisoners have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt of their guilt? Nope. We are asking that there is a legitimate reason to assume they are part of the war. Not a tough legal standard to prove, if there is any proof. Or, should we start acting like a third-world nation before W's economic policies actually make us one? America is not about rounding up whoever we want and letting them rot in dungeons without due process. At least not the America before the 2000 elections. PS: Hi Cootie! |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2006, 10:45pm on 06/15/06 at 21:08:43, Jonny wrote:
Well, you can keep waiting. Or you can read my response on the previous page, a few posts below yours. I guess I agree with that radical pacifist ACLU guy John McCain when he said: "The weight of evidence has got to be that we've got to adjudicate these people's cases, and...if it means releasing some of them, you'll have to release them. Look, even Adolf Eichmann got a trial." |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 15th, 2006, 11:22pm on 06/15/06 at 22:29:46, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
Oh yeah, because we are all too poor to own anything. Pretty soon, you will be running your computer by kerosene lamp. Get over it already. ::)If you are on the Internet, using a computer and working, I would say you are far far far from being in a third world country. The current unemployment rate is 4.6%, the lowest it has been in the last 16 years was 4.2%. Not too shabby, if you ask me. Even if it was 4.1% you leftist would be bitching, so as stated before...we get it. Oh and by the way, it's the Geneva Convention that talks about how prisoners of war are to be treated. Since the prisoners at Gitmo aren't of a regulated and recognized national army, they aren't covered. Not that it really matters because they treat their prisoners soooo well. Talk to a family member who has seen their loved one's head removed by these "innocent prisoners have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt of their guilt", and see if they are all too eager to release them. I know that probably none of the one's in Gitmo are the ones videotaped chopping off heads, but you do understand where I'm coming from, don't pretend you don't. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 15th, 2006, 11:41pm on 06/15/06 at 23:22:42, Tom K wrote:
I did say before we get to a third-world nation under his policies. I didn't say we are there now. For instance, you do have correct numbers of employment and unemployment. I feel so stupid even mentioning that those employed once as engineers now tell me to go to window 2 at McDonalds. They truly are employred. I've been caught in a lie. Yes. It is the Geneva convention that decides how prisoners should be held, so, while we do have kids younger than us facing the fight and it's been acknowledged that this war not allowing us to face down Iran (a country), we don't have to face the torture... we're too old for that, let's give the OK to torture those of us that would never have to face it. I like your thinking. Talk to the families that have their sons tortured And daughters raped and tortured because we OK'd it. You know what I'm talking about. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 16th, 2006, 1:24am on 06/15/06 at 22:09:53, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
Man I tried so hard to stay out of this one but Ted you have sent me over the edge! I presume from the statement above that I will be seeing you at a Heroes funeral soon to protect the rights of the Westboro Baptist Church! well I will be one of the PGR guys making sure you don't get any where near it. Your comments about conventional war show that you don't know S**T about war, police actions, peace keeping missions, or any of the other title's used by our country when it is necessary for someone to do something and we stand up to the plate. And you bring up the Geneva Convention in regard to how we should treat terrorists. I have not looked at your profile yet to see how old you are but if you are young enough by all means go put your ass on the firing line and then maybe you will deserve an opinion. ACLU my ass. You need a new acronym for what the organization has really become. A racist, publicity seeking bunch of left over Berkley grads that haven't got a pair swingin in the whole freakin organization. There are a number of bloodsucking do-good-er groups around that take advantage of the uneducated and under privileged using the pretense that they are Watching Out For The Common Man by protecting our freedoms but you guys are the sickest of the sick! I need my freakin O2, and maybe a valium....Tim |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 16th, 2006, 8:51am on 06/15/06 at 23:41:02, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
I'm sorry, did I do something to piss you off...I'm not your kid or your subordinate. Don't talk down to me like I'm three years old and we will have no further problems. Your condescending tone isn't needed. I guess it is President Bush's fault that people aren't working in their degreed field. I know people who went to college and majored in Sanskrit, but they work in a wharehouse...And on our way to being a thrid world nation? Give me a fawking break. I'm glad you are such a positive person. I'm not even going to waste my time with this anymore...Remember to wrap yourself in the flag before you light it on fire... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Kevin_M on Jun 16th, 2006, 9:20am on 06/15/06 at 18:35:51, maffumatt wrote:
Ms. Malkin appears to have possibly used this source here (http://www.pnorthwestbooks.com/docs/ja_faq.html) in her findings to make her point. Quote:
Internment appears to be incarceration. She goes on to mention curfews, registration, censorship, and exclusion as well as internment. However, she neglected to to mention evacuation to relocation camps. If she had, her point would seem to be diminished somewhat. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jimi on Jun 16th, 2006, 10:08am I like your style Tanner. Yours too Tom K. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by CHTom on Jun 16th, 2006, 1:46pm on 06/14/06 at 19:32:52, Jonny wrote:
It appears to me, if it is true that the 7 Marines and 1 Navy Corpsman are in jail without any charges, that the problem lies with the Marine Corps and the Navy and not the ACLU nor anyone else. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 16th, 2006, 2:07pm Its funny how the neocons use the UNemployment rate as ammo and the liberals use the EMployment rate. The unemployment rate says we are doing terrific, but if you look at the actual number of jobs created in the last 5 years, it sucks. Only like 3 million new (non farm, private sector) jobs, but the population has increased by over 10 million. If you look at personal income vs inflation for the last 5 years also, it sucks. B$ |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 16th, 2006, 2:43pm on 06/16/06 at 14:07:45, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Everyone wanted their companies to run more efficient, therefore less overlap in jobs. Or to make everyone happy, should we just create jobs to pay people not to work...oh yeah, that is called Welfare... :-/ How many of those 10 million are working in farm or government jobs? How many of those 10 million are under the age of employment? Additionally, and look out Flo...I'm going to bring up Clinton's name, the unemployment numbers were always touted as the measure of how the economy was doing in the Clinton years. Why is it different now? What the hell is this neocon stuff any how? When did this term arrise? You're either Conservative or Liberal. Conservatives now get labeled Neocons and other stupid things by the media. Get over yourselves. ::) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 16th, 2006, 7:37pm on 06/16/06 at 14:07:45, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Yeah, 10 million illegal aliens, kick them the fuck out and there will be a few jobs! |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 16th, 2006, 8:47pm Normal population growth for of age, legal people was at about 1.8 million throughout the 90s. So far this decade its been more than that.....up over 2 million a year. Then when you add illegals on top of that, its even more. When Clinton was president, there were about 22 million jobs created with a population growth of less than 15 million people. So far with Bush, there have been about 3.5 million jobs created and the population has risen by about over 10 million already. Tom K, Neocon is a newer term to lable the new conservatives that dont really know what "conservative" means. For example, they think that Bush Jr is conservative just cause he said so. Another name for Neo-Con is Pseudo-Con. And yes Tom K, you are correct. The federal government is much larger now that it has ever been......which is ironic because Bush claims to be a conservative and conservatives are proponents of small government. Also, I dont think its just Conservative and Liberal. I think now there are 3 parties, Conservative, Liberal and Sick of this shit. B$ |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 16th, 2006, 8:55pm on 06/16/06 at 20:47:16, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Do you really think?.........or are you just adding a one sentence BS to the conversation? Where is the sentence that says if we kick these fucks out of the country there would be more jobs for Americans?......even if we have to get layabouts OFF the welfare rolls? Christ!! |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 16th, 2006, 10:24pm on 06/16/06 at 20:55:10, Jonny wrote:
Im not disagreeing with you. But I think the problem is with the overall economic policy, not just the illegal alien problem. B$ |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Charlie on Jun 16th, 2006, 11:04pm Whew..... Time to catch up...oh happy day.... http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/sclerosis.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Anyway: First Michelle Malkin. As I posted, I see her stuff in our local paper, which is more right wing than any I've read. Saw her on TV once....bizarre. In her case, she'd post that if a Democrat took a bullet for George Bush and saved his life, she'd find a why to call it as it is: a ploy to boost the horrific Democrats. She's really that bad. Ted: I get where you are coming from but I differ with letting Nazis march. You'll never stop them from existing of course but to me, it's akin to the yelling fire in a crowded theater argument. The other reason, and probably the biggest, is that in my military relics business over the years, I've gotten to know several avowed Nazis and a lot more white supremacists. Both groups are worse than you can imagine. The last one I dealt with told be how happy he was that I come from Scandinavians and that he knew he could trust me. (Don't tell Svenn...) it's pretty scary, Still, it's been a long time and the ACLU is needed more than ever but I need the money for now. As to Gitmo: This is as close to fascism that I want to go. I'll go along with Tom Friedman. His idea is to sort it out now and bulldoze the place as it's as un-American as it gets. It's a disgrace. We're stuck profiling. Perhaps it's like wars. In many ways, American Germans had a much tougher time during WWI. That is no excuse but I don't know what it will take to ease up on it now. America has always had strains of isolationism, chauvinism, puritanism and religious fanaticism. But most of our leaders, even our devout presidents, have tried to keep these impulses under control. Not this crew. They don't preach to our better angels but rather our nasty devils. It's not a pretty picture to pretend we have some kind of employment boom. The gap between rich and poor hasn't been so wide since what is called the gilded age of the late 19th century. Not one of them takes a second to consider consequences of their unprecedented greed. Our 30% popular President is incapable.....on every level but inflicting pain on his own countrymen and the rest of the world. These people can deliver it but know nothing of feeling it. Few of them have ever been in that position. They are presiding over one of the richest countries in the world....rich but populated with poor citizens. It's mediaeval, but then so are they. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 16th, 2006, 11:06pm on 06/16/06 at 01:24:36, tanner wrote:
How was the valium? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 16th, 2006, 11:07pm on 06/16/06 at 23:06:22, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 16th, 2006, 11:22pm on 06/16/06 at 08:51:47, Tom K wrote:
Thank God you weren't condescending. While I wrap myself in the flag. Thank God you talk about the employment rate but neglect to talk about how Bush isn't responsible for for what the jobs are. Anyway, Charlie, we have different views of the ACLU. My point's right and yours is wrong. :-) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Charlie on Jun 16th, 2006, 11:29pm http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/acute.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Screw you Ted..... http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/madhouse/sarcastic_hand.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Seriously, If I could afford it. there are a lot of things I'd consider restarting....even these guys. It's been a long time. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 17th, 2006, 12:03am well ted the valium was good! Your edit of my post adding your own bullShite in there sucked! Glad you tried to help out with the defense of our nation, but my view of the aclu still stands as does my opinion of your posts. enjoy your freedom of speech! but it came on the backs of a lot of people who are rolling over in there graves right now, and a lot of people who are alive and well and just plain pissed! I would be one of the latter.....................Tim |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 17th, 2006, 12:26am on 06/16/06 at 23:22:25, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
You're right, I was condescending...you expected different? Now that President Bush is in office, everyone is poking at what jobs are being created and in what fields. This is a first. No one bitched about what jobs were created when Clinton, Bush Sr. or Reagan were in office. I guess it is the same ol' Liberal Bravo Sierra, change the rules in the middle of the game to favor your bitching. I know many family members and friends who have fought and died to give you the freedom of speech that you so greatly use. They all would appreciate it if you just said "Thank you" and went on your way... :-/ What the hell are you going to do when the GOP wins in November? I know I'll be laughing pretty damn hard. Yes, I'm a condescending prick, but I didn't play until provoked. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 17th, 2006, 1:00am on 06/17/06 at 00:26:56, Tom K wrote:
Bro, National savings rates are at 0%, the lowest ever. Operating budget is at highest deficit EVER, Bush has borrowed over 4 TRILLION dollars. The middle class is getting squeezed out of existence. Illegals are flocking over the border at the fastest pace in decades. Political corruption (outside of blowjobs) is the worst it's been in decades. Poverty is up. Inflation is hyper. What is it that you are laughing about? B$ |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 17th, 2006, 1:49pm on 06/17/06 at 01:00:04, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
The national savings rate is at 0% because people are using their homes equity as an ATM. I don't know about you but I have been seeing plenty of shiny new BMWs and MBs around, the President can't help it if the consumer base is refying and spending their cash on material products. The price of gold is dropping so that means that the dollar is gaining value. The stock market is rebounding after signing on a new Chairman. You know as well as I do that the same thing happened in the market when Greenspan took over. Maybe illegals are flocking over because there is a future in America, a better one than where they are currently living. There are jobs, if there weren't, they wouldn't continue to come over. Politcal corruption, seems to me that there was a President who was impeached a while back...Inflation is hyper? I really wouldn't call it hyper. The rise in energy costs accounts for a large total of the inflation rate. I highly doubt that we will see double digit inflation rates any time in the future. IIRC, the current Federal Interest Rate is up around 2% from where it was a year ago. That being said, it still is around 5.5%. I don't think that is all that bad. We have a market that is on the moving up and down, but it still is the highest that it has been. The economic news isn't as bad as everyone is trying to make it out to be. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 17th, 2006, 3:09pm on 06/17/06 at 13:49:32, Tom K wrote:
I hear you, bro. Some of your points are valid, some are talking points that mean nothing. Thanks for making my point about personal savings. What you said is one of the huge problems with this generation, they think just cause you can borrow money, you must be doing well. I see lots of new expensive cars also, but at the same time personal bankruptcy is as high as its ever been. I have a 3000 sq ft driveway and I can fill it with brand new exotic cars, but that doesnt mean I have a positive net worth. And thank you again for confirming my point, aside from a blowjob, the political corruption is rampant, the worst it has been in decades. My electric and natural gas is up 50% in just a few years. My healthcare is up 16% last year and 10% this year. Gasoline is up 100% in 5 years. Building products have skyrocketed, mostly because of Iraq and Katrina, but most are up more than 10% over last year. The price of gold (an indicator of inflation) has gone up more than 100% in 5 years. Even with it's recent retracement, its still up 100%. I do certainly classify these things as hyper inflation. Since you think borrowing money personally means that times are good, you must think that the federal government borrowing 4 trillion dollars is super-terrific, huh? Tmes are so good we are borrowing money at the fastest pace ever? I disagree with that line of thinking. B$ |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 17th, 2006, 4:43pm I guess with your line of thinking, prices for everything should remain the same throughout the course of history. Since I make the same amount of meals at work, my wage shouldn't increase. As for personal savings, you seem to be arguing both sides of the issue. It isn't the President's fault that people are spending unwisely. Maybe we should go after those evil electronics companies for making such fun gadgets that the kids all want now. Maybe go after Nike for coming out with shoes that cost $150 a pair when a pair of Keds will cost only $30. As for the Feds borrowing money and running a deficit, is it a bad thing? Were things really that great under Clinton? I seem to have more money in my savings and stock portfolios under this President than I did under Clinton. Maybe it's just me but I don't see the situation being as bleak as the Democrats make it out to be. Let me guess, when you received your tax credit check after President Bush came into office, you said, "No thank you, please take this back." Pleeaassseee... ::) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 17th, 2006, 5:34pm on 06/17/06 at 16:43:09, Tom K wrote:
That tax decrease cost $550 Billion dollars in defecit spending, and Bush said it was to try to create 1 or 2 million jobs. Even though over 2 million jobs have been created since then, they will never pay for the initial investment of the 550 billion. The average american family doesnt pay that much in federal tax over the course of a lifetime. The money wasn't invested, it was spent. Spent with no plan on how to pay for it. Like I said, it's just bad policy. And Tom, this is extremely liberal policy. You are conservative aren't you? Why are you defending liberal economic policy? :o B$ |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 17th, 2006, 10:13pm on 06/17/06 at 00:26:56, Tom K wrote:
So now you admit you were codescending after questioning why I treated you with equal respect when you claimed you didn't deserve it? I go to nursing homes all the time to spend time with WWII veterans who saved our freedom of speech. And you do what, Tom? Yes, I know you feel that trying to make the people who care about not sending our boys into wars for false reasons doesn't seem patriotic to you. But you MUST have gotten over the fact that WWII was a legitimate war by now. So, what do you do for those veterans? Naaahhhh. When Clinton was in office and we were touting new jobs it was you all who pulled out your kleenex and cried "They are low-paying jobs, sob sob." So don't try and pretend this is new!" Of course when Reagan and Bush Sr were presidents no new jobs were created so I can't answer the rest of your question. I know it's time you said thank you to our veterans not only of today but from back when the war was legitimate. Hey, I'll join you laughing if the GGOP wins anything in November. You do realize that that 1 percent point bump Bush got this week is soft and the war will drop that... again... 1% increase. I'm laughing now that you are claiming that as success. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 17th, 2006, 10:26pm on 06/17/06 at 00:03:52, tanner wrote:
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Charlie on Jun 17th, 2006, 11:48pm The reason people are using the equity in their homes...of course most don't have one, is not that they choose to, they have to as it's the only way they can borrow during these boom times. Bush comes from old super rich stock. He has no idea what it's like to postpone buying a good piece of meat until the next paycheck. Things like this just don't happen to the "right" people. The difference between the effect of gasoline prices from the 1970s and now is that they just don't care this time. With Republicans in charge of Congress as well, it doesn't matter. It isn't important. They're doing just fine and other than keeping the electorate all excited over gay marriages, ridiculous flag desecration bills, fining CBS for Janet Jackson's popup tit (still in court) and other things that have no chance just to keep our eyes off the ball and a little off balance. They use real...but more unreal fear to gather votes because the new Republicans pretend the world works easily. It plays well in places like Kansas. On that, never in my lifetime did I expect to have a President that pretended science was something to underfund when told that it would get a few religious right votes and this group has done damage to this country that will take decades to correct. That's okay though because the religious right is more right than religious. Bush gets hammered because he deserves it. I've been waiting for just one thing from him to applaud. I'll take Clinton's discretions any day. At least he didn't look for ways to kill the Bill of Rights and the New Deal that has kept us afloat for 70 years. No one ever needed a blow job more than George Bush. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 18th, 2006, 12:37am on 06/17/06 at 22:13:51, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
Do you really want to play this game, Ted? I see a WWII vet every weekend...he's called my Grandfather. Retired 2 Star General in the Army and Retired Master Cheif Petty Officer Navy. My Great Uncle was also Navy, Petty Officer, survived the Yorktown going down, I see him at least once a month. I have various other family memebers who faught in WWII, 2 who never made it off the beach at Omaha, and 1 who never made it to the beach. My family has been in this country since 1764, and has had a member fight in every major battle this country has seen. My cousin is in the Middle East now, but we do not know where he is or what he is doing other than he is alive. The last time I talked to him, he was going through Recon, so I figure he has gone black. Where do you get off questioning what me and my family have done for vets and this country? And to answer your other question, I never cried about low paying jobs during when Clinton was in office. If I remember correctly...I was working full time, going to culinary school full time and working in a 4 Star restaurant 30 hours a week. I was paying $10K per year for school, made $8.50 per hour at the print shop on third shift and worked in the restaurant for free, to learn the business. Don't try to tout some crap, trying to make me out to be some rich kid. I worked for every damn thing I have today. I never cried to anyone about not having anything, I went out and earned the money. I never got breaks, I made my own. Those are the reasons why I get pissed when people dump on this country and people who have busted their ass to get where they are. Maybe President Bush didn't have to work. So fawking what? Don't try to tell me for one minute that if you had the money that his family has, you would be working whatever job it is that you do. Please. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 18th, 2006, 12:53am on 06/17/06 at 22:26:20, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
Ted why don't you STFU and go try to save the drownding girl you left in the car?.......oh shit wrong Ted...I think! War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill How does it feel to be a "kept man" you aclu puke!!! Sometimes the Beast just brings out the best in me!!! .....Tim |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 18th, 2006, 1:26am Would that be this ACLU? May 11, 2006 ACLU defending criminals over victims The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has persistently challenged state and federal efforts to pass Jessica’s law, an essential piece of legislation that calls for more rigorous tracking of convicted sex offenders, believing that the law is too harsh on released sexual predators—and they’re at it again. Most recently, in Vermont, the ACLU advocated for the removal of convicted child molester’s names from public record, a dangerous and ill-conceived position that would facilitate the open, undetectable movement of vicious criminals and leave everyone in their path—especially children—in grave danger. It seems that the ACLU is more concerned with the rights of convicted felons than the rights of innocent, law-abiding citizens. The bottom line: the ACLU is a deplorable organization that believes sexual predators should be free to roam the streets without regulation. They knowingly put the wellbeing of innocent people after the wellbeing of the most heinous monsters in society. The ACLU supposedly stands for civil rights, but what about the rights of all the innocent people victimized because a convicted felon slipped under the radar and sexually assaulted, molested, raped or killed an innocent bystander? The ACLU is no better than the ruthless transgressors they vouch to protect, and their asinine position is jeopardizing the safety and security of every American citizen. Or this ACLU http://annavenger.blogspot.com/2006/06/aclu-defends-pedophiles.html Or this ACLU http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18029 Or this ACLU The ACLU is a supporter of NAMBLA, representing the organization in the civil case related to the aforementioned murder. The ACLU is representing NAMBLA PRO BONO. Their official position: “In representing NAMBLA, the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children. What we do advocate is robust freedom of speech. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by deltadarlin on Jun 18th, 2006, 10:13am Gas/oil companies do rake in huge profits, but they also pay out the a$$ in taxes. 'While politicians decry large corporate profits, those profits generate large corporate income-tax payments. We estimate that over the past 25 years, the major domestic oil companies paid about $518 billion in corporate income taxes to Uncle Sam and state governments. Oil companies pay billions more to governments in off-shore royalties, severance taxes, property taxes, and payroll taxes — and the list goes on." The federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon (this is a set figure and does not fluctuate with the price). Each state sets a *state tax* and other taxes that are added in. http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp I still have no use for the ACLU. Several years ago, we contacted them to ask them to intervene in one of our local schools. They never even responded, guess there wouldn't have been enough publicity. 'darlin |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 18th, 2006, 10:28am on 06/16/06 at 23:22:25, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 18th, 2006, 1:24pm Wheres the glowing buzz about the ACLU now? Ted, your a card carrying member.....want to back NAMBLA? Comon, where are you guys now? Oh well |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Charlie on Jun 18th, 2006, 3:52pm Those are far right wing and social conservative blogspots, Jonny. Jerry Falwell and Pat Roberston are on your side. ACLU is almost as bad as the countless wastes of time spent spent by GOP and religious groups trying to censor what we read and do for that matter. Just because you don't like an argument or process doesn't mean that you're right. I'll take ACLU over ACLJ and other far right wing litigators calling Harry Potter evil, any time. That's what my side has to deal with. It's clever as it's used mostly as a distraction so Bush & his ilk can tear bits off what's left of the Constitution. Charlie....had to modify underlining and the like. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 18th, 2006, 10:27pm on 06/18/06 at 15:52:21, Charlie wrote:
Charlie, I agree with you wholeheartedly! The term far when it applies in a political context automatically tells me that their ideas should be ignored whether they are right or left. this does not mean (obviously) that I am a fence sitter. I have strong opinions and don't hesitate to air them. :-[ I think I just agreed with a left winger :o but to keep the record straight the aclu sucks.......tim |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 19th, 2006, 12:00am on 06/18/06 at 00:37:10, Tom K wrote:
Hi Kom T. While you just plead the ol' red white and blue you completely neglected to address one point out there. Consider your family saluted and try again. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 19th, 2006, 12:05am on 06/18/06 at 00:53:56, tanner wrote:
No, it's the right Ted. I'll grab your wife out of the river in a minute. But first, let me tell you it feels good to be an ACLU puke. I like the fact that you can call me that or the righteous Bush that. Not something that could happen without someone protecting your wif... rights. Now to get her out of the river. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 19th, 2006, 12:08am Why yes. That would be a blog and The Daily News (the NY Post equivalent) talking about it. Why not just rewind the election year and ask if Dickhead Cheney's comments about Kerry were propoganda or true? Damn, I hate when I'm proven wrong by the false statements of the FOX lovers on 06/18/06 at 01:26:13, Jonny wrote:
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 19th, 2006, 12:20am on 06/18/06 at 13:24:25, Jonny wrote:
NAMBLA is actually chock-filled with the GOP who feels we shouldn't take away people's freedoms. So, enjoy your membership. I remember when you used the idiotic talking point of " the smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud. I remember when you said al-Qaeda was in Iraq. I remember when you you took everything W. Bitch said and parroted it. And said we should go to war for that. So, now that a few years passed I ask you, where are those weapons? Where are those terrorists (of course I mean before we went to war, not when we recruited them all afterwards) There are so many dead. And for what? For a game Bitch played? Why are those troops out of Afghanistan where they should be fighting the war? Why does N korea decide they can go nuclear? Why does Iran decide now is the time? Because we're a little overstretched maybe? The world has gone to hell since we decided to go to war in Iraq. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 19th, 2006, 12:32am on 06/19/06 at 00:05:04, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
Ted, Either you missed the Chappaquiddick comparison or you really are as ignorant as I am starting to believe! The only time that I have ever referenced MY wife is in supportive threads and I would Thank you to do the same >:( Bring my wife into your crap posts again and you will have a lot more to worry about that being an "ACLU PUKE"! That is not a threat so take it as you may, but watch the fuck out! ................................."One Warning".......Tim |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 19th, 2006, 9:30am on 06/19/06 at 00:20:50, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
Bro, maybe you havent heard: there were no WMDs in Iraq, we stopped even looking a long time ago. The reason we went to war in Iraq was over lies, yet we have PICTURES and VIDEO of the nuclear program in Iran. In addition to the pics and video, they admit fully to their intentions - a nuke - a nuke with the goal of harming the USA and Israel. The reason we arent doing anything is not because we are overstretched, its because China and Russia haven't given the USA permission to defend itself. Plus, we dont want to upset our terrorist friends in Saudi Arabia. Talk about flip-flopper............... B$ |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 19th, 2006, 4:36pm Might I suggest a few moments to soothe the nerves and calm the tempers in this thread? OHMMMMMMMMMMMM DD |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 19th, 2006, 4:42pm on 06/19/06 at 00:32:26, tanner wrote:
And Bingo was his Nameo......... It is no use argueing with anyone who supports the positions this guy makes his stands on because no matter what kind of common sense you use it will be rejected. Fact or reason make no difference. If the ACLU says so thats all that counts |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by brewcrew on Jun 19th, 2006, 4:42pm This whole thread has become silly. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Graham_Chapman_Colonel.jpg/180px-Graham_Chapman_Colonel.jpg |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 19th, 2006, 4:50pm Donna, I have taken several deep breathes! It happened to be O2 but still I agree with both you and Brother Brew ;;D and I will ignore this thread as I am starting not to like myself :o Never a good sign..................calmed down Tim |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by medic1852 on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:02pm Here is a thought! http://buffoonery.org/images/random/cowbell.gif Rodger ;;D |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:12pm http://www.mikesfreegifs.com/main4/funny/gordis.gifhttp://www.mikesfreegifs.com/main4/funny/gordis.gifhttp://www.mikesfreegifs.com/main4/funny/gordis.gif ;;D DD |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:12pm Rodger---is that Will Ferrell ???? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:16pm Instead of condemning others, strive to reach inner peace. Keep silent, refrain from judgement. This will raise you above the deadly arrows of slander, insult and outrage and will shield your glowing hearts against all evil. St. Seraphim of Sarov ...hijacker....Tim |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:21pm on 06/19/06 at 17:12:46, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
I'm not Rodger, but I have the answer :P Quote:
http://www.undercover.com.au/pics/qotsawill.jpg Hope that helps :) Hijack continued in 3....2....1.... |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Tom K on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:31pm on 06/19/06 at 17:12:38, Donna_D. wrote:
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:34pm Quote for the day: Friendship is like peeing your pants, everyone can see it, but only you can feel the true warmth. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_12_16.gif |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:40pm on 06/19/06 at 17:34:01, Donna_D. wrote:
ROTFLMAO |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by medic1852 on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:42pm Yes it is Will Ferrel the skit is very funny it also has Christopher Walken in it. I love it! MORE COWBELL (http://media.putfile.com/SNL-Cowbell) Rodger Highjacking in progress ;;D |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 19th, 2006, 5:48pm A gentle reminder for those of you who may interrupt this hijacking with some "half baked" posts.... http://www.closecombat.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2367&d=1094865201 DD |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Charlie on Jun 19th, 2006, 8:09pm http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/heat.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/HoosierDude//spliff.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/characters//king1.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/friends.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 19th, 2006, 8:44pm My head hurts. [smiley=finger.gif] [smiley=mad.gif] [smiley=finger.gif] [smiley=bomb.gif] Fuck |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 12:01am on 06/19/06 at 00:32:26, tanner wrote:
Ahhhhh. You can throw people's wives into the situation but it's off-limits for you? I love hypocrisy. Get real! |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 12:04am on 06/19/06 at 09:30:06, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
I think what you brought up would be legitimate wars. But we can't even touch those anymore. But great points. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 12:21am Clarence, send the next hit. I won't come back for the last one. I just checked out your writing. Your're chronic. That's what this board is here for. We get to beat each other up on other issues but it all boils down to you're chronic. I'm going to put my case out here again so you might get some help. I started back when I was 18 and got hit 2X p/yr with these. Then after 2 years I got hit every 2-6 weeks. Then in '98 I got hit.... chronic. But just before I turned 40 they left. Something I never expected. Hold on for that day. That's the short version! |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 20th, 2006, 1:56am Ted, Consider yourself "Krueger-ized"!! They have turned their backs on you and taken away all your power. How dare you interrupt my thread hi-jack!! Don't make me have the king lop off your head :P DD |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 20th, 2006, 6:47pm on 06/20/06 at 00:01:04, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
When? sorry donna |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Charlie on Jun 20th, 2006, 6:51pm Oops http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/lostthread.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by deltadarlin on Jun 20th, 2006, 7:25pm http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1150744521 Donna_D. , maybe they need to jon Jonny and Jasper in the naughty room? Where's Helen? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 9:56pm on 06/19/06 at 00:32:26, tanner wrote:
My apologies. By the way. what's her e-mail address? Is she hot? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 9:59pm on 06/19/06 at 09:30:06, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
FINALLY!!! A man besides Charlie who knows what he's talking about! |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 20th, 2006, 9:59pm on 06/20/06 at 21:56:28, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
bro, PLEASE. Thats the dude's wife. >:( |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 10:04pm on 06/19/06 at 16:42:41, maffumatt wrote:
It no use discussing chapsaquickdick with someone who thinks the death of one person is bad but that 2500 people dying for something equally as irrelevant is good. And "arguing" has no "e" in it. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 10:13pm on 06/19/06 at 17:16:55, tanner wrote:
You're Bhuddist? A great philosophy. Can you believe that these were the mantras given during the Spanish Inquisition? My apologies to you. I thought you were a member of the Christian right. I was way off. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 10:18pm on 06/20/06 at 18:47:05, tanner wrote:
Whenever you'd like???? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 10:21pm on 06/20/06 at 21:59:35, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
I know. But if he didn't want to use her as a weapon to try and quiet me I never would have brought her up. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 20th, 2006, 10:33pm Your opinion here has become irrevelent Ted. Do your thing if you must, your positions have become irrevelent as well, being that you have to be respected for them to be respected. Have a nice day. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 10:38pm on 06/20/06 at 22:33:19, maffumatt wrote:
Not only do you feel the need to respond to irrelevance but your friends do too. That doesn't say a lot about your life, does it? I remember having such a small life once. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by maffumatt on Jun 20th, 2006, 10:42pm Theres your personality showing again, such a small shriveled up thing it is. Better put it away before it exposes its true self. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jun 20th, 2006, 10:51pm on 06/20/06 at 22:42:44, maffumatt wrote:
Ooops. You did it again MattressMatt. You responded to that irrelevance. Keep trying and you might seem noble for your thoughts and a chick might actually sleep with you. :-) |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture Post by maffumatt on Jun 20th, 2006, 10:54pm if you say so it must be true |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by brewcrew on Jun 20th, 2006, 11:31pm Silly, I say! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Graham_Chapman_Colonel.jpg/180px-Graham_Chapman_Colonel.jpg |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 21st, 2006, 12:47am http://members.aol.com/debradownsth/images/trollug.jpg |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 21st, 2006, 11:54am When I read this thread I am reminded of the last lines of this video....and yeah, you have to watch the whole thing to find out. ;;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wMHcpMmV9g DD |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jimi on Jun 21st, 2006, 12:01pm [smiley=argue.gif] The question is...........who cares? |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 21st, 2006, 12:02pm on 06/21/06 at 11:54:48, Donna_D. wrote:
You're dead on!!!!!! with that one. [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by tanner on Jun 21st, 2006, 1:56pm OMG Donna, that was perfect!! Thanks again for reminding me to be a da do da doo doo .......Tim |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Charlie on Jun 21st, 2006, 5:31pm http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/sissy fight.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BobG on Jun 21st, 2006, 6:35pm on 06/14/06 at 19:32:52, Jonny wrote:
Hate to low jack this thread back to page 1, but....... It's been a week. I haven't seen or read a word about those guys since then. What's their status now? P.S. Jonny, I love your new picture. Blond is your color. It makes you much prettier and your nose looks straighter. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by medic1852 on Jun 21st, 2006, 6:42pm The question is.......what is a manha a na....oh who cares? Rodger |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by floridian on Jun 21st, 2006, 7:15pm on 06/21/06 at 18:35:51, BobG wrote:
They have been charged with premeditated murder, conspiracy, larceny, giving false statements, and threatening to kill other US personell if they were to honestly report what they saw. http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9406237/detail.html http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a5_4Yw8Ot0Ug&refer=us What is wrong with the picture is that Malkin and her buddies are trying to erase the concept of personal responsibility. If the Pendleton 8 are being mistreated or used as political pawns (which she certainly didn't prove) then she should point a finger directly at the people responsible for such abuses. But instead she blames society ... It's John Murtha's fault, it's the liberal media, its the ACLU. She apparently forgot the NBA. Nobody in the NBA has spoken up on this matter, and the finals are diverting attention. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Jonny on Jun 21st, 2006, 7:35pm on 06/21/06 at 18:35:51, BobG wrote:
Sorry Bob, I gave up on this thread when someone started insulting someones wife, DD tried to hijack this thread but some folks just can let it go. |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 21st, 2006, 10:39pm on 06/21/06 at 19:35:22, Jonny wrote:
And it was a GOOD hi-jack....just hope they don't run back into burning buildings like they keep posting on this thread :P (Love ya fellas) DD |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by BlueMeanie on Jun 21st, 2006, 10:45pm Hi Donna.... waving hands because I don't have smilys. :o |
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with this picture? Post by Donna_D. on Jun 21st, 2006, 10:50pm [smiley=wave.gif] Hi Bob!! DD |
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