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Title: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 7:48pm Can anyone tell me the reasoning for giving out free condoms in schools? My take....Do we really need to be telling kids to go for it? Second, WTF is with a clean needle exchange program? Take two....Do we really need to be telling drug addicts that breaking the law is ok? Here in Mass they are going to start selling neddles to anyone OTC, do we really need more dirty needles in our parks to stick our kids in the feet? Do we? Someone splain to me how this shit helps, please. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by deltadarlin on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:02pm What age groups are they giving the free condoms to? Is this elementary, jr. high or high school? *Just say no* doesn't always work when you're young and in lust. Are they teaching these kids anything? |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by sailpappy on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:02pm ;;D Most of the civilized world uses the same practices to stem the spread of AIDS, many good documentarys on PBS about this subject. Ot does send a mixed message to kids but I think most of us would rather have live, AIDS free kids at the risk of mixed signals> JMHO Pappy http://www.caps.ucsf.edu/NEPrev.html http://www.caps.ucsf.edu/publications/needlereport.html |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Kirk on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:06pm Giving condoms out in school never seemed like a good idea to me. Syringes have always been available OTC in Oregon. So far this hasn't increased the presence of contaminated sharps in public areas. YMMV |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Paul98 on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:06pm More liberal bandaids. It is easier than holding the parents responsible for their drug addled kids or having the parents teach sex education to their kids. It goes in line with abortion on demand for 16 year olds without parental knowledge or consent. Schools can hand out condomes but can't produce students that can think through a problem. 6 X 7 = how do you feel about the number 7? Is the new math. I better back out of this thread before I cough up a rant. -P. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Sean_C on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:06pm Wonderful, get high with your clean needle so you can have safer sex. Can you get me a link to that jonny, I'm calling Riley's office and that fuckin Kennedy tomorrow. What were they thinking?? Its election time, we shall be heard believe me ;) |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:07pm on 06/07/06 at 20:02:09, deltadarlin wrote:
Jr high on up around these parts. This is Ted (Fatboy) Kennedy country. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Kris_in_SJ on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:10pm Jonny, As a fully-fledged supporter and board of directors member for Planned Parenthood, I'll explain the first one, OK? With the advent of the Republican government and the rise of the "religious right" many, many, many schools are teaching abstinence only sex education. They have to do that to continue getting grants and Federal dollars. Now ... think back to when you were 15 or 16 years old. Were you willing to keep it in your pants if an opportunity presented itself? Teenagers will be teenagers - and teenagers WILL have sex! By providing condoms, schools are helping prevent unwanted pregnancy, STD's and AIDS - even if they can't provide the education! Those schools that are providing proper family planning education are providing condoms in conjuction with their teaching. Still a good thing. As to your question about needles, my only explanation would be that certain areas are trying to reduce the incidence of AIDS from shared and dirty needles. That doesn't mean I agree with the method - just my take on it. Kris |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:11pm on 06/07/06 at 20:06:57, Sean_C wrote:
BOSTON - A bill aimed at cutting the spread of diseases such as AIDS and hepatitis C by legalizing the over-the-counter sale of clean hypodermic needles won the backing of the Massachusetts Senate on Wednesday. http://news.bostonherald.com/localPolitics/view.bg?articleid=142592 |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:15pm on 06/07/06 at 20:10:39, Kris_in_SJ wrote:
What 15 year old kid do you know has AIDS? |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Racer1_NC on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:19pm on 06/07/06 at 20:10:39, Kris_in_SJ wrote:
Nope........didn't wear condoms either and one could BUY them at the drug store. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Kris_in_SJ on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:28pm There are 4 (known) teenagers in Benton Harbor, Michigan who are infected with the AIDS virus, Jonny. Not a large number compared to Boston, but in a town of less than 20,000 people, it's pretty sad! Our county also has the true distinction of having the third highest rate of teenaged pregnancy in the state. Why? Because way too many schools teach "abstinence only" education. Don't make me quote the rate of STD's, etc. Condoms are a GOOD thing! As long as they're used, of course. Kris |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Tom K on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:34pm Is a condom really going to help against the AIDS? Me thinks not. I wouldn't screw someone who had the AIDS with a Class 3 HazMat suit on, let alone a piece of latex that is .01" thick. Tell the kids to keep it in their pants or it is going to fall off. Hell, show them the video of the guy who cut off his unit to show his wife he was faithful. Scratch that...we will have a bunch of kids cutting off their mules to show their girlfriends that they love them.... The key to this whole arguement for condoms and needles is IF THEY ARE USED nothing is going to make them use them if they REALLY love the person they are with..."Oh, but I REALLY love you, I'll pull out." Why don't we show the kids that if you get the AIDS, you are looking at a life full of bath robes and broth. Cold hearted but true none the less... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Charlie on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:40pm Simple: One kid's life might be saved. You can't say that keeping a condom from a kid is better. With one, he might live. Without, he has a real chance of dying and spreading disease. Witholding all for some moral reason doesn't work. You don't kill some kid to make morons happy. Free needles: Same story and a lot of the civilized world agrees. It just might save a life. Of course we are living in one of those sad eras when a bunch of surely not intelligently designed, science-hating puritans, tying condoms and appropriate aid to their bizarre twisted idea that people only get help if they play ball with them. Health isn't supposed to be doled out only to tithers. These creeps have no business speaking for God. They believe that God hates homosexuals, that superstition trumps science every time. These are truly horrible people that lie when they say they like children. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by floridian on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:43pm Since the conservative take-over, we have spent over a billion dollars on abstinence only programs that don't work. Why indeed would anyone propose an effective condom policy if it was not 100% Fundamentally Correct? Maybe because it has worked in other countries! Germany's teen pregnancy rate is only 1/5 that of the United States, and their rate of abortion is 1/8 of we yanks. HIV infection among youth is 1/5 of what it is here, and gonorrhea among U.S. kids is 66 times higher. People grow nads and they become sexually active. Have since the begining of time. And society becomes more complex, tells them to wait, which is great if they do, but most don't. http://www.ironhymen.com/ |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:47pm Ok, next up is teaching 7 year old kids about homosexuality....whos up for this one? Anyone? |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Charlie on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:58pm Sounds worse than it is of course but not very clever. This is a perfect example of the Karl Rove types trying to force Democrats to defend a position in which they haven't made a statement. It's clever of course but it's coming to an end....of course we have to listen all the gay marriage nonsense perpetrated by the same first. If only we would not respond. Make it an all Republican rant. They know it can't pass anyway. It's pure politics ala the GOP primary where these neocons circulated a rumor that John McCain fathered a black baby. Not true and they knew it. His wife adopted a kid from Kenya, I think. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/punish2.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Kris_in_SJ on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:01pm Jonny, I love you, but you and I are going to have a "sit down" one day! Would you like to visit St. Joseph, Michigan sometime soon? We have a beautiful lake. My daughter spent her first 10 years in Chicago. We lived in the area known as "boys town." Now, as an adult, she has an open and loving spirit without prejudice. I'm extremely proud of her. She has friends who are straight and who are gay. She's also been trained from her middle school years about sex education, is a Planned Parenthood patient, and uses the family planning taught her. She won't get pregnant until she is ready, won't get an STD and won't get AIDS. Best of all ... she has the open mind her parents encouraged her to have. Now stepping off my soapbox, Kris |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by purpleydog on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:01pm on 06/07/06 at 20:34:32, Tom K wrote:
What if you didn't know they had AIDS? What if THEY didn't know? |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:03pm on 06/07/06 at 20:47:16, Jonny wrote:
Well, to be honest with you, if you wanna have the 7 year old read a book about a princess and a prince that fall in love, I think you should also read a book that talks about a prince and a prnce that fall in love. If you wanna have the students talk about how the great morals and ethics of religious people, I think its also important to talk about the pandemic of gay child rape from the church also. Teaching just one thought process is not an education, its a brainwashing. How about we put these issues on the back burner and teach some fucking math and reading!! BMonee |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:03pm on 06/07/06 at 20:58:26, Charlie wrote:
Whats that got to do with a seven year old? |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by unsolved1 on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:16pm Well, I for one don't want the schools teaching my kid that it's okay to be gay. I find it to be morally offensive. I'm happy with the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy. We won't ask about it, and we don't want to be told about it either ! We WON'T be seeing brokeback mountain ! UNsolved |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:20pm on 06/07/06 at 21:16:59, unsolved1 wrote:
Some say "Gayness" is not being driven down your throat. I have no need to see it either, Bro |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Dave_Emond on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:29pm on 06/07/06 at 19:48:04, Jonny wrote:
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As of 2004, there were 215 American children diagnosed with AIDS at age 14 or younger per year. 24 deaths. Up to 2004, 5,360 deaths occurred from AIDS in children 14 years or younger, in America. When interpreting HIV and AIDS statistics, it is important to remember that a person infected with HIV will probably not develop AIDS for several years - the average delay in the USA is around ten years without treatment, and longer if antiretroviral drugs are taken. Also, new diagnoses of HIV do not necessarily represent new infections, because people may live with the virus for a number of years before being tested. Also one might consider the prenancy rate of teens in America: The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the western world, despite the fact that our teens are not more sexually active than Swedish teens, or Canadian teens, or British teens. Why? Because we don't educate about birth control in sex education classes, we don't discuss it at home, we don't give teens good access to it, and we don't advertise it in our media. Fact: One million teens in the USA will become pregnant over the next twelve months. Ninety-five percent of those pregnancies are unintended. About one third will end in abortion; one third will end in spontaneous miscarriage; and one third will continue their pregnancy to term and keep their baby. Quote:
Never understood how Mass. could keep this A$$ in office? Either they don't vote, don't care, or are plain ignorant (percentage wise that is). JMHO, Dave (Who doesn't know a solution to the "needles" problem.) |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Charlie on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:31pm Seven year olds are different from my day. I had to learn everything the hard way. One of my friends was a wreck because he was gay. His family moved rather than deal with it and I didn't know why until after high school. We were lied to about this stuff all the time. I was encouraged never to contact him. He disappeared. You have to use common sense but don't lie to them forever. On the whole, its us, not the kids that can't handle it but we do our best to keep them off balance. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:34pm on 06/07/06 at 21:29:32, Dave_Emond wrote:
You must provide a link to that shit, Dave! |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Dave_Emond on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:45pm Sorry, You're right Jonny, :-[ I should have posted where I got that info. There are many, many links to back that up. Here's one: http://www.avert.org/usastata.htm Dave |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:51pm on 06/07/06 at 21:45:44, Dave_Emond wrote:
I wonder how many of them got it from their parents at birth vs from drug use vs from sexual contact. That would be an interesting study. B$ |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by chewy on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:56pm Quote:
No we dont because they already are. What we need to be doing is getting our heads out of the sand and teaching them how to be safe. Quote:
Theoretically it works. In reality if you have one near your home you can expect someone to do a score on your house on the way back to theirs. Boston Public Health tried it in Charlestown and got run out of town. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:56pm on 06/07/06 at 21:45:44, Dave_Emond wrote:
Sorry, Bro...Estimates mean shit to anybody! "Estimated HIV diagnoses, AIDS diagnoses and deaths of persons with AIDS, by age group" |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Ueli on Jun 7th, 2006, 10:00pm Wow, I didn't know we have so many followers of Pappa Razzi here. :o [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by chewy on Jun 7th, 2006, 10:01pm An estimate of HIV diagnosis is all you'll ever get. If I remember correctly only an AIDS diagnosis is reportable. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by kcopelin on Jun 7th, 2006, 10:12pm The only 100% effective means of avoiding sexually transmitted HIV is abstinance. There is no safe sex-only safer sex. Latex condoms to not provide full protection. Rubbers were available when I was a teenager-lust ruled out over common sense most of the time, and I am not generally considered a stupid person. Seems to me that teaching our kids (that is, parents teaching their kids) to respect themselves and practive self-control is part of the missing link. Doesn't mean they're always gonna succeed. But as a parent, I want to make the decision to provide birth control, because it IS MY JOB! It is not the states' job or the schools job to teach my kids morality. That's also my JOB. IT IS THEIR JOB to teach them to read and write and do arithmetic, and I even help them. My 8 year old does not need to know anything yet about what adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms-no matter what gender they are. Needle exchanges, ect, have been used in Europe for a long time. At least it eliminates one means of transmission of not only HIV but also Hep. Doesn't mean I think being a junkie is a great idea, but at least it cuts down on HIV. I have a dear precious friend who contracted HIV, Hep, Herpes and shingles from a very dirty blood transfusion. She is alive now, 25 years after diagnosis, because she has a purpose for still being here. She talks to jr high and HS kids about AIDS. And she doesn't pull any punches. Keep it in your pants or it really might fall off-no kidding. Condoms don't protect you completely. And no, teenage boys will not die if they get an erection and cannot "do anything about it". I told that to my 15 year old daughter and she spewed mocha out of her nose : perhaps she had heard that lame excuse before. My $.02 worth, Kathy |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Dave_Emond on Jun 7th, 2006, 10:20pm on 06/07/06 at 21:56:55, Jonny wrote:
See your view easily Jonny, in fact, we're probably thinking along the same lines anyway. If that link wasn't sufficient, there are so many out there that will back what we both know. Kids do get AIDS, by sex, drugs, inherited, etc... I only posted one link, very easy to search a browser to come up with hundreds and hundreds of links to this issue. The one I gave you seemed to be on the lowest end of "Estimates" I saw. It's hard to determine exactly the rates of AIDS by age from all the different factors involved. Even one child/teen getting AIDS from just sex, is a sad situation. Free condoms from schools? Tough call. Needle exchange ... even tougher. But ... surly I would think you would agree that children/teens do indeed get AIDS from "unsafe" sex these days? It's one messed up world we live in and I haven't seen any evidence that it'll get any better. Dave |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 7th, 2006, 10:28pm on 06/07/06 at 22:20:49, Dave_Emond wrote:
Well Dave, teaching seven year olds about homosexuality aint a start!.....agreed? |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by chewy on Jun 7th, 2006, 10:28pm Quote:
Pre natal transmission is extremely rare now if the mother is aware of her status and takes the prescribed medications. Many children born to mothers infected with the virus will test positive at birth but negative after a few months. Why? In the the first few months of life the child is still using the mothers immune system and then develops there own which is free of the virus. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Tom K on Jun 7th, 2006, 10:33pm Why is it when someone has an opposing view of something that is "against the grain" or against the "norm", they are instantly tagged a Religous Zealot or a Karl Rove wanna be? ::) Nothing I believe comes from listening to Rove, I was a Conservative way before he came into light, and the last thing on the planet you can call me is a Religous Zealot (See thread about religion). I don't think we should be handing this stuff out in schools, plain and simple. If the parents these days would actually do some parenting, and oh my gawd, smack the kid upside the head when need be, we wouldn't have to have the schools raising children. If, by the statistics shown in the thread, 24 kids died because of the AIDS in '04...wtf? Don't you think that they get it? You can't stop everyone from dying, tough fact but the truth. IIRC, back in '86, we were supposed to have a minimum of 2000 dead per year in these age groups. Kinda makes me think that the absinance program has worked. [smiley=huh.gif] Kinda also makes me think that if the original jagbag who screwed the monkey didn't, we wouldn't be talking about this. I'm sorry if I sound cold hearted but if you are going to shoot drugs and screw, then you may become one of the 24. I'm not talking about the woman who got it through a transfusion, she probably got blood from some drug addict who sold blood for money. If our kids were able to be taught that if you go home and pull your mule, you might actually live, they probably would. This whole discussion makes me think about what would have happened today with the TB outbreak back in the day. I know for a fact that they wouldn't be putting people in sanitariums! That would be an outrage and a knock on their dignity...oh the humanity...they might...have their feelings hurt... People, tell your kids to keep the mule in the barn! You will save the rest of us from having to pay for your kids AZT. ;) |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Dave_Emond on Jun 7th, 2006, 10:37pm on 06/07/06 at 22:28:21, Jonny wrote:
Completly Agree !!! Interesting convo ... but I'm fading fast. Lots of good responses in this thread though for such a hard topic to find solutions for. I'll also agree the gov has no business here, parents job ... as said above. Take care, Dave |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by kayarr on Jun 7th, 2006, 11:58pm My kids were born in 1981 and 1982 and AIDS was just coming to the forefront. When I taught my daughters about sex I also used the no such thing as safe sex and gave them the stats on pregnancy with barrier protection versus the ability to transfer STD's ratio. We talked about lust and hormones and everything and they are both in their mid twenties and not Mommies or sick. I think being open is very important but there are families out there that do not have that kind of communication. So, I guess I am saying they have to get the knowledge somewhere. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by tanner on Jun 8th, 2006, 12:49am I am a conservative but I must say I agree that both the condom and needle programs have a very strong record of helping to reduce both std's and unwanted pregnancies in the parts of the world where they have been in use for some time. I still hate Ted (OJ Simpson) Kennedy and no broke back mountain for me or our 7 year olds. ..........2 cents Tim |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by BarbaraD on Jun 8th, 2006, 6:05am on 06/07/06 at 21:03:04, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Amen BMon.... If the schools would spend as much time teaching reading, writin' and rithmetic, our kids might come out of our schools "educated". And SEX ED should be taught at home, but parents have gotten too damn lazy to take responsibility for their kids -- so the govt and schools have taken over and we've got a mess as usual when that happens. Years ago a talk radio show was discussing sex ed. I listened for a while and then called in with my opinion. "Sex Ed should be taken out of the schools and put back behind the bleachers where it belongs!" My 2 cents -- until parents take responsibility for their kids and start teaching them "family values" at home NOTHING is going to be done to stem this problem. We've lost the family unit and let the govt take over our lives. Our kids don't know how to read and write, but they know all about sex and drugs. It's just time parents got back into the equation and started taking responsibility for the kids they brought into this world. Off soapbox! Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by ShadowLord on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:03am I think all kids should learn about sex the same way I did... With the neighbrhood tramp when the parents are away... Not all parents (prolly not even most) are going to teach their kids about sex. I don't see any harm in sex ed in school, nor do I have a problem with schools providing free condoms to students. Maybe if they have 'em freely available without guilt or shame, they may be more likely to use it when the need arises. I don't see a problem with a clean needle program either, because if the ppl are getting the needles, they are probably already using needles in the first place. And when you say "teaching 7 year old kids about homosexuality", do you mean teaching them to be homosexual, teaching them the basics of homosexuality, or having an open and honest discussion about homosexuals and homosexuality? In this day and age, a kid is likely to see or hear about some sort of homosexual behaviour, and I don't see any reason why the kids shouldn't be told about it, to a point. Once they bring out the slideshows and diagrams, it might be time to slow things down, and a live demonstration should be completely out of the question. PFDAN................................................. ShadowLord |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by chewy on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:07am Quote:
And if they proposed to establish it next door to you?? Inviting active addicts into any neighborhood is a public safety issue. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by ShadowLord on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:09am on 06/08/06 at 09:07:07, chewy wrote:
They'd have to evict the crack house first. PFDAN................................................. ShadowLord |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by chewy on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:10am Quote:
LMAO! Then I guess in your case it would be a step in the right direction. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Paul98 on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:12am Clean needle program??? More clean needles for the junkies = more dirty needles lying around. Do they really think a junkie gives a rats ass? -P. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by chewy on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:16am Theoretically thye addict has to return a dirty needle to obtain a clean one. My experiance with these programs indicates that the proponents generally have their heads in the clouds and are reality removed. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Redd715 on Jun 8th, 2006, 12:01pm Joyceln Elders |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by deltadarlin on Jun 8th, 2006, 1:10pm Regarding handing out condoms or sex education, I'd like to pose a question. How many of us here were virgins when we got married? Teaching kids abstinence only is a crock. I don't have a problem with teaching kids that abstinence is the *best* way, but kids need to know what to do if and when they decide to engage in sex. Do you rally think that teaching kids that abstinence ce only is going to keep them from having sex? Shucks, do we have any blind, hairy palmed guys that will comment here? http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/news/press/092704.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26623-2004Dec1.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8470845/ 'darlin |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by tanner on Jun 8th, 2006, 1:17pm DD, that's not fair ! my palm is hairy because of a skin transplant and I am not blind! I just wear these coke bottle glasses as a fashion statement ;;D .......Grew up in the sears catalog generation....Tim |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by catlind on Jun 8th, 2006, 1:46pm on 06/07/06 at 20:47:16, Jonny wrote:
Me thinks it would behoove me to stay out of this one, but.... When I was 5 years old I met Ted, John's boyfriend. My father was one of the worlds worst homophobics (his brother was gay and it caused many many nightmares). Yet, he never once judged Ted and John. Some 30+ years later, John and Ted are still together as a committed couple. I have known them my whole life. Ted owns a flower shop, and that shop provided all the flowers for my fathers funeral. When he came to the house 6 years ago to set up the flowers for the service, he had my dad's navy hat, and put it on and walked around the house saying I'm going to be a Toy Boy. Then everyone laughed because we knew dad was rolling over in his grave so to speak, and that only one person could actually get away with that....Ted. I just returned from a week's holiday in Canada for my brother's 40th birthday. All 3 of my kids (14, 12 and 5) know John and Ted and who and what they are. They are family friends who love each other and are committed to each other. What *I* think is irrelevant in this case. My kids have the facts, no opinions, no judgements, just the facts. As they grow older they will come to their own conclusions, and in the process of letting them see part of the real world, they will learn something called tolerance. I know more heterosexual evil humans than homosexual. Evil is not reserved for those who we do not see as fitting into our predetermined, predefined, prelabeled boxes of society. My kids are growing up learning one very important value: Life is the highest value, period. They have learned to do nothing to interfere with or cause hurt to another life. Whether they, or I agree with what another person does is not relevant in my house, they are another human being and my children know tolerance. Skin color, sexual preference, religious preference, political preference or any other personal choice has no basis for judgement in my house. Cat |
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Title: It gets worse .... Post by floridian on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:04pm Sorry to once again be the bearer of bad news, Jonny, but the FDA just approved a vaccine for HPV (Human Papilloma Virus) - it seems to prevent 99% of cervical cancer in women with the virus, and will also reduce men's risk of penile cancer. The vaccine will even help some who are never inoculated, by breaking the transmission from a person who would otherwise be a carrier. The abstinence only crowd tried to block this sinful vaccine, but failed: "Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV," says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council, a leading Christian lobby group ..."Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful, because they may see it as a licence to engage in premarital sex." |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Jonny on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:21pm It seems that you are the bearer of bad news to everything I say, Flo ;) New question (Which should have been the question) Should parents be notified that the school is going to teach your child about homosexuality or anything to do with sex at the age of seven? Here in Mass they are doing it for five year olds. When does the state take your right away of how you raise your child? Here in Mass they dont even tell you that they are teaching this shit. What say you, Flo? |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by ShadowLord on Jun 9th, 2006, 9:15am The school district should notify the children's parents at the beginning of the school year, and provide copies of the teaching materials, to be used, for review. If the parents don't agree with the course, then they should be permitted to reject it. PFDAN.......................................................... ShadowLord |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by BobG on Jun 9th, 2006, 9:20am Quote:
They started doing that when too many parents started using the school as a babysitter. |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by ShadowLord on Jun 9th, 2006, 9:27am on 06/09/06 at 09:20:14, BobG wrote:
Yeah... School ain't a babysitter... When's the last time you got to pay a babysitter through taxes? PFDAN............................................ ShadowLord P.S. I mean other than school. SL |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by BobG on Jun 9th, 2006, 9:41am And it started when too many huggy-kissy-feelgood-sissyfied-wimpy parents decided teaching politically correctness was more important that reading, writing and 'rithmatic. "You can't flunk my little baby. That would hurt he's feelings. And feelings are more important than education. Or I'll sue your ass!" |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Redd715 on Jun 9th, 2006, 9:48am I have yet to object to any of the material Meg and Dyls schools have presented to me. We fortunately have open communication in my houshold, and they feel comfortable in talking to me about anything they have questions on. Even if I don't personally agree with some of the material, two sides of the issue is better than one and they can make an informed decision on what they are going to believe. By the other token, the schools have NOT always been open to information I've provided to THEM. I recall when Dyl was in first grade and it took siting the Americans with Disabilities Act, as Dyl was ADHD, for his teacher to make reasonable accomodations for him. I was then labled a difficult parent, because I would not force Dylan to conform to this teacher's demand he be an automaton in her classroom. Needless to say, she retired after that year of teaching, and I think it was at least a year too late. ;) I sent this along with him earlier this year, and it was well recieved by his teachers and other faculty. http://paganpride.org/resources/paganstudent.html I agree there are uninvolved parents these days. However knowlege is a good thing. Homosexuality has existed since human kind evolved, it cannot be governed or preached out of existance. Any two consenting adults who are willing to commit to the legalities involved with any sort of legal domestic contract should be allowed to. Off my soapbox. Pegg |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by catlind on Jun 9th, 2006, 10:03am Now that's a different question altogether Jonny ;) I'm an involved parent. When my 12 and 14 year old had trouble in school this year, when their grades dropped, I was in the school immediately. I supported the teachers and worked with my kids to make sure they were getting the proper discipline and guidance to ensure the best opportunity for success in their education. I was astonished when the teachers in both their schools expressed huge gratitude to have my involvement and co-operation. That tells me that too many parents are NOT involved. I'm fortunate that the school district we live in requires a parental signature before the kids are even allowed to cover any of the topics in this thread in their health classes. Because I'm an involved parent, I've actually read what the material is and know exactly what they are being taught and have open discussions on the subjects here at home as well. The state/government/schools will continue to do as they are, until more parents become involved parents again. The reaction from my kids' teachers was an eye opener for me. I had no idea that so many parents weren't involved. I volunteer at their schools (I don't have a job that requires me to show up at an office so I have that luxury) and I stay in contact with their teachers through email. Parental involvement is the only thing that can alter the school systems...until parents stand up and take back control of their children, the schools and other agencies will continue to try to control them for us. Cat |
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Title: Re: Help me out here...... Post by Sandy_C on Jun 9th, 2006, 12:40pm Too many parents are abdicating their responsibilities as parents - in every sense, including sex-ed. They depend on the schools to teach EVERYTHING to their children, but place limitations on sex-ed - abstinence only. Face it folks, the majority of our children will lose their virginity before marriage, teaching of abstinence or not. When I was a child, my parents (mother) told me absolutely nothing about my body, it's functions, it's feelings - nothing. I learned about sex, menstruation, boy's "parts", from my peers. Hell of an education. I vowed when I had two daughters, that they would not learn the way I did. I bought a marvelous book (after much research), which explained, in plain language, just about EVERYTHING that goes on sexually - including masturbation, homosexuality, beastiality. I read the book, cover to cover, first, then gave it to my daughters, one at a time to read. Told them to come to me with any question - no matter what it was, and we would discuss it. Surprisingly, both girls came to me with lots of questions, I thought they would just blow off their questions. I was honest, forthright, didn't use "cutsie" terms for parts of the body. Both girls said they wanted to wait until marriage to experience sex. Sure! Then came the hormones. Both of my girls came to me at a later time to tell me they were sexually active. So much for abstinence. I took them to my OBGYN, put them on birth control, and bought them their own box of condems. I am happy to say that one is happily married, the other soon to be married, no children, no STDs, no AIDS, and no mental problems regarding to sex. They are healthy and happy. Had I been given this knowledge when I was a child, I probably would not have done some of the stupid things I did as a teen. If you are armed with knowledge, I believe you have more of a chance to succeed in life. Knowledge of all things, including sexuality, cannot hurt. Off soapbox now Sandy |
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