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Title: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by LeLimey on Jun 1st, 2006, 7:37am ... when people can even THINK shit like this. http://www.ntlworld.com/news/story_intl.php?page_zone=267.7.2&storyid=31203374 |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Karla on Jun 1st, 2006, 7:46am That is just sick and wrong. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Melissa on Jun 1st, 2006, 7:47am I just had one of those "that's fucked up" moments. [smiley=nono.gif] |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by clarence on Jun 1st, 2006, 7:54am At least they're into "free train travel for all." :-/ Casey |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by deltadarlin on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:01am A few more links. I'd already seen this on another board that I frequent. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22AD+van+den+berg%22+paedophile&meta= http://www.cerius.org/ http://www.cerius.org/community.htm http://www.cerius.org/community.htm#politic http://www.nvd.nu/main.html |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by maffumatt on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:13am The ACLU has proposed the same thing here in the US, it doesn't surprise me. Matt |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by LeLimey on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:16am You know what's so scary about this for me? Is that they can even talk about it out in the open.. that they not only believe they are right but that they have the right to demand the abuse of other's rights.. children and animals.. "people" (I know animals aren't people) who can't speak for themselves. I'm sorry but if this is where "the right to free speech" is taking us then please take it away. :'( |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:46am You shouldn't be surprised ---we're talking about the " Netherlands." |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Ghost on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:47am >:( OMFG!!!! Mike |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by maffumatt on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:53am http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18029 |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by LeLimey on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:55am who funds the ACLU? How do they get their money? |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by maffumatt on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:58am mostly democrat contributers they are a liberal rights orginization. Don't get me wrong, they have done alot of good for alot of people, its just some of their ideas of what the NORM should be is skewed. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by rickyshot on Jun 1st, 2006, 9:05am You just know this sicko has participated in sex with kids and animals. JMHO but he should be put to death. I am not kidding. Someone needs to draw the line on these sickos. They have given up their rights as far as I am concerned. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by aprilbee on Jun 1st, 2006, 9:52am As the mother of a 12 year old daughter, I am sick and sad....what is this world coming to...LeLimey..I'm taking my daughter and getting off w/you okay???? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Jun 1st, 2006, 10:10am Anti Christian Liberties Union Them and the pedophiles have a special place in hell reserved for them. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by nani on Jun 1st, 2006, 10:31am The ACLU is a group of lawyers that are committed to making sure that the government doesn't abuse it's power and take away our Constitutional rights. They often take up "unpopular" causes, like local governments attempts at preventing Nazi parades. It's not about whether someone is a Nazi, or a pedophile... it's about their constituional rights to free speech, peaceful assembly, etc. They did not defend those pedophile murderers...they defended NAMBLA's right to exist. And yes, it is anti- Christian in the sense that the constitution requires a "seperation" of church and state. Special place in hell? Puh-leez. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Jun 1st, 2006, 10:49am on 06/01/06 at 10:31:49, nani wrote:
Show me where. The special place in hell remark was mostly for the pedophiles. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by LeLimey on Jun 1st, 2006, 11:55am Thanks for explaining about the ACLU Nani. My personal opinion is that free speech is all very well but my rights stop when they start impinging on someone elses. And promoting sex with kids or animals is certainly impinging on THEIR rights. In general most people can see what is right and wrong, most people will make their own minds up about nazi rallies as an example etc but there are sections of society that must be protected by the rest of us. Vulnerable and unformed sections of society who should not be taken advantage of and THAT is what I see this pervert promoting. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by floridian on Jun 1st, 2006, 12:00pm Yeah, and since the ACLU said that people accused of terrorism should have a fair trial, they obviously are all a bunch of Al Qeada fans who are promoting terrorism and the gruesome dismemberment of innocent civilians. My life would be so much simpler if I adopted a black-and-white, comic book view of the world. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by kcopelin on Jun 1st, 2006, 12:48pm Life may not be black and white, but there is such a thing as Truth. The US was founded on premises of individual freedom and responsibility. I served in the USAF for 16 years to defend those rights, People have given their lives that we can have the freedom to worship, assemble, speak, and disagree with one another. Still, right and wrong are not relative terms. If there was no real moral standard that the vast majority of folks believe in, no matter what they call it, then it would be perfectly all right to do anything we want to do. Including having sex with small children and animals. But there is an innate moral sense of right and wrong, and my friends, these folks are just WRONG. My freedom to swing my arms around ends at your nose, and their freedom to swing their dicks around ends at my children. kathy (call me politically incorrect and intolerant) |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Paul98 on Jun 1st, 2006, 12:54pm Yikes! They ought to call themselves the darwin party 'cuz it'll exterminate itself. Man, that's one ugly MoFo. -P |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by maffumatt on Jun 1st, 2006, 12:55pm NAMBLA = North American Man Boy Love Association has a right to exist? Nani do YOU think such an association of pediphiles has a right to exist? Can you imagine what their conventions are like? |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by floridian on Jun 1st, 2006, 1:09pm on 06/01/06 at 12:55:42, maffumatt wrote:
Does clusterbusters have a right to exist? If an individual in the busters breaks the law, then they are subject to arrest. But should it be a crime to talk about changing the law? Is thought-crime evidence of real crime? Shouldn't novelists who write about rape or incest or murder be arrested? Don't most kids who go on Columbine-like shooting sprees start off with hour after hour of violent video games? Got to draw the line somewhere - it should be where a crime is committed, not where a crime is discussed, or where legal reform (however misguided) is advocated. Can I imagine what their conventions are like? Yeah, the same 3 members and same 5 undercover officers, all repeating the same twisted bull-sht. Year after year. I don't care for NAMBLA, the American Nazi Party, the KKK, and a large number of other small fringe groups. But I do believe in freedom of speech. Being a member of the KKK is morally reprehensible in my opinion. Lynching or harrassing a person is a crime. The purpose of government is not to enforce my moral sensibilities, it is to enforce the law. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 1st, 2006, 1:14pm You may not like it when the ACLU comes to the defense of people you find morally repulsive but one should never forget that there are those at work in the world that may find you and your behavior morally repulsive one day. Morals, blasphemous behavior, and crimes often reside on a sliding scale in our world. The challenge in the widening gulf in our society is that saying that you believe in certain inalienable rights is almost like asking someone, "have you stopped beating your wife?" If you answer "yes" you admit to having been a wifebeater, if you answer "no" you're implying that you still beat your wife. scott |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by LeLimey on Jun 1st, 2006, 1:23pm Flo I can see your point. My problem with it lies quite simply in the fact of doing harm to others and to a group that has no voice unless we speak for them. Clusterbusters can speak for themselves, authors should be articulate enough to argue the merits of their work.. little kids and animals CAN'T. I do feel sometimes we come across issues where our own beliefs cause us to have to draw a line and stand on one side of it. This one is mine. I may not be able to stop the talking about it and I do take your comments on board, but I can make it into a debate and make DAMN sure my side of the argument gets across. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by BobG on Jun 1st, 2006, 1:30pm on 06/01/06 at 12:48:19, kcopelin wrote:
OK. You're politicall incorrect and intolerant. You're also right. I like you that way. ;) |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Donna_D. on Jun 1st, 2006, 1:45pm What a golden opportunity!! I say let them meet, help them with free train fare to the meeting, free advertising so they have the biggest turnout they can!! Let them have a HUGE meeting!! Get them all in one building and blow it up with them in it....PROBLEM SOLVED!! Hmmm, I sound like a terrorist....OH WELL!! Some sick F*ck thinks it's ok for kids to do what they suggest, he deserves what he gets!! D.O.A.!! DD |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by floridian on Jun 1st, 2006, 1:46pm Your right that children and animals don't have a voice - but the one guy in the Netherlands and the 3 guys in the US are not a strong voice for weakening the laws. The problem with child abuse, child molestation, spouse abuse, and other crimes is not that the perpetrators have a well organized lobby to speak out for the criminals - they don't. The problem is that the perpetrators, the victims, and (especially tragic) the by-standers too often are silent. And publicizing the antics of an out-spoken pedophile can be a valuable reminder to the community of exactly who lives amongst us, usually invisible. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Racer1_NC on Jun 1st, 2006, 1:52pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by LeLimey on Jun 1st, 2006, 2:11pm on 06/01/06 at 13:46:44, floridian wrote:
on 06/01/06 at 13:52:40, Racer1_NC wrote:
Good points boys, I can't and won't argue with THAT at all. :) |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by maffumatt on Jun 1st, 2006, 2:45pm http://216.220.97.17/ edited to add........ NAMBLA's Website address |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by deltadarlin on Jun 1st, 2006, 2:52pm The ACLU can take their *ideals* and stick them where the sun don't shine. They have a tendency not to take cases UNLESS it's going to generate them some nice publicity (and yes, my opinion is formed from trying to get them involved in something). And I'll say this, ANY organization that promotes the ideas put forth by NAMBLA and ilk such as them, should not be given the *right* to promote something that is so obviously abhorent. DonnaD, we'll make sure we hire you an attorney to defend you against all charges. Flo, Got a point to make for you. Yes, too often victims do not step forward. Now, ask yourself why? Could it be that the *system* is more sympathetic to the perpetrator than the vicitm? For those of you stateside, support Jessica's law (the first version being passed in FL). Parts of Jessica's law include, "It establishes a mandatory sentence of at least 25 years behind bars for people convicted of certain sex crimes against children 11 and younger, with lifetime tracking by global positioning satellite after they are freed. It could also mean the death penalty for more killers, because it allows a defendant's status as a sexual predator to be considered as an aggravating factor during sentencing for a murder. " The following states have some form of Jessica's law or equivalent-Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Nebraska, Missouri, Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Indiana and Virginia. States that heading toward similar laws- Washington, California, North Dakota, Kansas, Texas, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio, Kentucky, S. carolina, N. Carolina, New Jersey, New York and Rhode Island. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 1st, 2006, 2:56pm Hey Matt, Nice link! you idiot. When you post a link to a conversation please make people aware of what the link is. In this case it is NAMBLA. Luckily I don't work in an environment where internet usage is tracked by my employer but for those of you who do, realize that if you click on that link that your company's IT department has logged your linking to that site while at work. THat should look good on your next review. Think people. Respect others on the boards by not planting crap like that on a thread. Scott |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by maffumatt on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:17pm An idiot I am not, and don't call me that again, but you are right, I should have posted the websites name. For that I am sorry. It was an oversight. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:38pm I rarely name call here and you know that as well. And I accept your apology for posting the site blind. I apologize to you as well. Here's my main point. Just today we have had links to pedophile sites that members could link to, we have had other members talk about planting pot in a co-workers work area, replies to that about beating people up, and god knows what else. Do y'all think this stuff just vaporizes? No, it is part of the electronic record of our existence here. We talk about a lot of stuff here. Let alone the fact that one of our most promising treatments is completely illegal. People should be careful. These are tricky times, times when one should be very aware and very careful of the record you leave in cyberspace and elsewhere. So as I said before people, THINK. Big brother might not be out there yet but a bunch if his little nosy cousins are, so user beware. Scott |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by maffumatt on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:40pm Agreed! |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by pattik on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:46pm with all due respect.... Quote:
To each her own opinion. I for one am glad that there is an organization out there that looks out for my Constitutional rights--especially in this day and age of the "Patriot Act". Quote:
The ACLU doesn't promote the ideas, they defend groups' rights to express the ideas. We have laws against that "abhorrant" behavior, all we need to do is enforce the laws. Those of you who want to dictate what the ACLU can and cannot defend should just go live somewhere else where the dictator of your choice can make all the decisions. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Jonny on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:47pm on 06/01/06 at 15:38:52, seasonalboomer wrote:
Who in the fuck made you CYBER-GOD? STFU or I will find you and kill you, then I will fuck your dog and burn your house down....Idiot!!! LMMFAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by BarbaraD on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:51pm For those of you old enough to remember (and Bob G that's you and Charlie) all this crap began with Madilan O'Hare when she started the atheist movement against prayer in schools. Before that we had very "little" government interferrance in our lives. We didn't have the government telling us (after millions of dollars in "studies) what to eat, what drugs to take, seatbelts, child abuse (kids can sue their parents - gee mine didn't know that when they beat the devil out of me - and I probably deserved it). But one thing led to another and now we don't have a say in anything. I don't believe in the KKK, the Nazi Party or any of that crap, but we've lost OUR rights in this country. My four year old grandson told me the other day that I couldn't spank him because that was abuse! (Yeah, I told him to sit back and watch me abuse him if he didn't behave). His parents were afraid to send him to school with bruises (from the dog and falling). What the devil is going on -- kids get bruises. Because of some "misguided" parents actually abusing kids we all suffer. If we'd spend a little time TEACHING our kids what's right and wrong and stopping some of the crap they teach in schools we might not have all these problems. We used to watch out after each other. I never had a qualm about putting my kid out and letting him run the neighborhood - the neighbors were watching him like I was watching theirs when they were in my yard. We once had a "flasher" live in our neighborhood, but some of the "guys" had a long talk with him and he did his flashing elsewhere - their was no question as to what would happen to him if he ever flashed one of our kids. We took care of our own. We can sit here and bitch about all this, but as long as we keep electing "corrupt" politicians this will keep happening. Maybe the ACLU isn't the answer, but at least they're involved - more than most of us. Off soapbox ..... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:51pm on 06/01/06 at 15:47:27, Jonny wrote:
Big brother's nosy cousins already sniffed around your presence, sneezed and scurried away... Malcontent. ;;D Scott |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Jonny on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:53pm on 06/01/06 at 15:51:52, seasonalboomer wrote:
ROTFFLMMFAO!!!!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by JeffB on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:54pm "F" the ACLU ! And buy a Sirius Radio! |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Charlotte on Jun 1st, 2006, 4:01pm I'm pretty far down the link so this may sound out of context. I met a pedofile when I was 5. I didn't mention it until I was 40, in group therapy. It was worse bringing it back to mind that the original occurrence. I thought my bones were going to break in my ribcage, and the therapist was totally unavailable, emotionally. I know why the victims are silent. God lets some people forget. Charlotte |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by pattik on Jun 1st, 2006, 4:10pm :'( :'(Very sad story, Charlotte. And very sad that the family that should have been protecting you failed. [smiley=hug.gif] Quote:
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by BarbaraD on Jun 1st, 2006, 6:45pm on 06/01/06 at 16:01:40, Charlotte wrote:
My case was a little different. I was 11 and I went home and told my Mom. By the time she got thru with that pervert, he didn't mess with anyone else's kid (at least not in our town). And he was a good upstanding Christian man - who'd of thunk it about him? Guess I was a lucky one - My parents got told everything and they took care of what needed to be taken care of. And I never kept anything to myself, so I don't have any bad experience feelings about it. I can just remember my Mom getting mad and loosing her temper (something she rarely ever did). I don't like perverts and think they should all be hung up by their balls and their winkies cut off with a dull knife in the public square. I'm against protecting them and NOT sending them to jail for life. BD |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Charlotte on Jun 1st, 2006, 6:53pm The balls and winkies aren't the problem - it's their brains. It is sad that my family couldn't protect me. I've found, as a mother myself, one can't really protect people. We can only do our best. Charlotte |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by floridian on Jun 1st, 2006, 7:08pm on 06/01/06 at 14:52:53, deltadarlin wrote:
I'm not trying to blame the victim, and agree that 'the system' could use some tuning. From police departments and DA offices that are jaded, overworked and unsympathetic to church boards that refused to consider that Father Jones might be a perv, to the school principal that becomes stone-faced serious and asks "do you know how serious these allegations are" - it all discourages people from coming forward. And in our society, kids are not listened to, not always treated as people. All of that could be improved. But I assume you refer to the trial process - which (if it gets to trial) is often traumatizing for the accuser and no fun for any one. Not sure how that part of the system can be improved. While most accusations of molestation or rape or spousal/elderly abuse are not false, some are. As it is, a person is usually suspended from their job and often arrested on an accusation, which doesn't lead to perfect justice as some are innocent. And if there wasn't cross examination of the accuser, Tawana Brawley would have sent people to jail on lies, all because she didn't want to be punished by her parents for staying out late with friends. And there is atleast one large cluster of child abuse tied in with mass hysteria, false allegations of Satanism, and 'recovered memories' -- how can you protect 100% of the rights of the accused and the accuser, always convicting only the guilty? Not sure on that. But I don't like the idea of convicting a person as soon as they are accused - that isn't right, either. Not sure that the legal system is more sympathetic to the perp than the victim, more that it is neutral and provides a referreed forum where competing claims are presented and decided on. Which isn't easy on the true victims. But what is your alternative? |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Charlie on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:29pm The ACLU is responsible far more good stuff than bad. It gets bashed mostly by intolerant religious bigots that rant about judicial legislating....Judicial legislating is all they want so long as they have the judges. However: Call me intolerant but when they defended Nazi marches in Peoria, Illinois, way back when; they lost me. I'm sorry, but Nazis are different. Nazis represent nothing but death, pain and misery. It's like being pro-cancer to me. I will never forget it. I do support ACLU when defending the Constitution but I draw the line at Nazis. I know too much about them. I suppose I'm a bigot too. I never really understood NAMBLA and for a long time, thought it was a gag. It makes me gag anyway. I know there are a lot of bizarre things in the world but this...... I guess I'm intolerant where they are concerned too. So far, I put them in the same category as the Nazis. Not genocidal but well.....some things just aren't any damned good. Nambla shoots itself in the foot with shit like this so perhaps it's good that they exist, but on paper only. Pedophiles always will. I remember Madeline Murray O'Hare. I hated her for making things worse for those not all that taken with religion. (I'm not very) She was the worst possible spokesperson for atheists. She looked, acted and sounded horrible. Atheists have a strong point about discrimination but it's not the same to me. Use your head. Church isn't all bad and if you must, go to a Unitarian service....lots of our so-called founding fathers did..... it's a revelation :o but they knew when to shut up. For me, I don't want to waste time battling religion. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/sissy fight.gif Anyway, she and a few others helped to ignite the kind of bizarre evangelical backlash that we have to put up with today. She was the perfect example of my position that life is too short for such ranting. It's like neo-cons gay bashing and moral legislation. It's fine to be a conservative but it's not okay to be nuts. She was a classic example of the other side. Merv Griffin and other talk show hosts loved having her as a guest. She was an audience grabber. Johnny Carson wasn't so taken with her, if I remember. Whew. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/heat.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Jonny on Jun 1st, 2006, 9:13pm http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/01/MNG5QJ5RTK7.DTL |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by kcopelin on Jun 1st, 2006, 11:35pm Wow, Charlie, feel better now? Charlotte, I am sorry you went through that and you are 100% correct-the problem isn't the external organs-its their brains-same as rape is not an act of lust, or about sex, but about power and violence. Not gonna go down the "religious road", but anyone who believes that there are no moral absolutes is advocating for chaos. kathy |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by unsolved1 on Jun 2nd, 2006, 3:33am Sheew :o Glad I didn't click on that link !! I don't wanna go to any pedophile sites or child porn sites !! plz don't post anymore of that crap !! Can we just add NAMBLA and the likes to our 'terrorists' list and start bombing asap ?? :) UNsolved |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 2nd, 2006, 8:49am on 06/01/06 at 23:35:22, kcopelin wrote:
Yes Virginia, there are no moral absolutes - or at least history has shown this to be so. One need only look at the behavior of the world's monotheistic religions to understand that the respect for human life has been as solid as the shifting sands of the deserts. But let's not go down the "religious road", it might be too much too swallow. Scott |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 8:59am ACLU= facisists NAMBLA= perfectly logical candidates for congress for some people. What about the fucking "civil liberties" of the victims of these fucking scumbags? Who is going to defend their liberties and rights after some sick fuck member of NAMBLA has his way with them and destroys their lives? Huh? Who? Jeez some people will support any body as long as they get to fucking argue with some one. Look past your damn noses and think about the big picture for once instead of "talking points". |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:10am on 06/02/06 at 08:59:50, thomas wrote:
the same could be said......well, umm....forget it, it wasn't important....... scott |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:14am on 06/02/06 at 09:10:57, seasonalboomer wrote:
Go ahead, you wanna try? Feel free, bucko. Be prepared to open you mind before you do though. I'm not like the rest of the sheep. I can think for myself. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:17am on 06/02/06 at 09:14:00, thomas wrote:
who are the sheep? And how long have you been imagining sheep appearing on your computer? you can look at my history here and see a pretty open mind, both thoughtful and consistent. an ideologue I'm not but I'm also not going to let everything roll by like I agree with it. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:30am on 06/02/06 at 09:10:57, seasonalboomer wrote:
So what is the point of this post? You are obviously trying to bait me. So let's have it. BTW the sheep are the 40% of registered voters that vote for R's or D's come election time. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Tom K on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:36am As much as I hate to admit it, the ACLU has it's place. Do I agree with them, actually yes. They are defending the rights of the people of this country. As sick and twisted these groups may be, they have the right to speak, just as you have the right not to listen. There is no right that ensures that you will not be offended by someone excersizing their rights. Some times people forget that. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:38am on 06/02/06 at 09:30:34, thomas wrote:
you take things awfully personal. baiting? the point of my post was that your post stated, "Jeez some people will support any body as long as they get to fucking argue with some one." While you were arguing your point. That's fine. If you want to argue, argue. But don't cast dispersions on others as "arguers" and your own post as some enlightened manna that we all have to accept because you aren't arguing. that's my point. not baiting. just stating the obvious and the ironic. scott |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:39am Excuse me, but where in the Constitution does it state "A group of perverts have the right to assemble and discuss the virtues of raping young men." Some one please point that article out to me. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by ShadowLord on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:41am Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. PFDAN................................................................. ShadowLord |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by pattik on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:42am Not everyone thinks that the ACLU are a bunch of facists. Yes, they sometimes defend despicable groups, but you could also say the same about criminal attorneys defending despicable criminals. We have a legal system that is in part based on the right to representation for everyone, including the scumbags. So are all criminal attorneys facists too? |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:42am on 06/02/06 at 09:38:38, seasonalboomer wrote:
Well, if you were as enlightened as you claim to be, you would accept everything I say. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:43am on 06/02/06 at 09:39:22, thomas wrote:
There are laws against raping young men. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:45am on 06/02/06 at 09:41:21, ShadowLord wrote:
Nice try, but that doesn't wash. So why are cops picking up the internet predators? Shouldn't they be allowed to pluck our children's virtue as well? There is a difference between right and wrong. That's the problem today. People only view things a "right" if it falls under their particular political label. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Tom K on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:46am on 06/02/06 at 09:39:22, thomas wrote:
It's in the First Amendment...Freedom of Speach. As much as it sucks, is sick and wrong, it is covered. LIke I said, you don't have to listen. Remember, there are some people out there that would be pissed as all get out as to what ClusterBusters advoactes. There is not a right that says you will not be offended by someone excersizing their freedom of speach. Tell this group or that group that they don't have a right to assemble, speak, etc., then pretty soon, someone will come around to your group and say the exact same thing. 'Tis a slippery slope, this one. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by nani on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:46am on 06/02/06 at 09:39:22, thomas wrote:
It also doesn't say that a bunch of perverts can put up pictures of barely legal girls in bondage, being tortured and raped. It's about free speech, not what you talk about. The ACLU doesn't protect our right to be perverts or criminals... it defends our right to think and talk about it. I find most porn (and NAMBLA and Nazis) to be highly offensive and immoral... but I defend it's (their) right to exsist. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:47am on 06/02/06 at 09:43:07, seasonalboomer wrote:
Ok, who is the worse evil, George W. Bush or a member of NAMBLA? This question is for everyone. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:52am on 06/02/06 at 09:45:59, thomas wrote:
The structure of your argument is where things give way. "Right" is not a stable concept and never has been. There was a time when certain women in New England could be burned as witches for giving an "evil eye". There was a time where slaughtering entire villages of women and children was "right" (but then we have to go back to the Old Testament). Now, many in the world believe they are "right" to slaughter the "infidels". So who say's you're right? Your God? The sheep in your computer? As the earlier posts said so eloquently, let them gather and be known, that way we know who the damn predators are. scott |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Tom K on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:52am on 06/02/06 at 09:47:30, thomas wrote:
Wow...it actually took 3 pages before it got to this tangent... ::) Usually it only takes 1.5 ;;D |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:53am on 06/02/06 at 09:42:17, pattik wrote:
I say the same about them as well. Criminal attorneys don't try to infringe upon my rights for the most part, so they are just scum and excellent candidates for congress. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by ShadowLord on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:55am on 06/02/06 at 09:45:59, thomas wrote:
Probably because they are doing something illegal, but you may want to ask the cops. It doesn't fall under freedom of speech, religion, and assembly if they are actually doin' something more than just talkin' about it, preachin' it, or sittin' around talkin' or preachin' about it. If an internet predator solicits sexual favors from someone they know to be under age, and then drive to a house that the cops tell them to go to for the sexual favors from the person they know to be under age, they are guilty of soliciting sexual favors from a minor or corruption of a minor. It's amazing how that works out 'eh? Or even better, if they download material from the internet that contains child pornography, they are guilty of possesion of child pornography. Personally... I liked the case where the under age girl was sending naked pics of herself, and was found guilty of supplying child pornography. PFDAN............................................................... ShadowLord |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:58am on 06/02/06 at 09:52:32, Tom K wrote:
My response might just shock you. ;) |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Tom K on Jun 2nd, 2006, 10:29am on 06/02/06 at 09:58:07, thomas wrote:
Nothing shocks me about you, Puddin' Pie :-* |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Tom K on Jun 2nd, 2006, 10:31am on 06/02/06 at 09:55:08, ShadowLord wrote:
That's funny as hell, I don't care who you are. Git 'R' Done! |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 10:49am on 06/02/06 at 09:46:57, nani wrote:
Legal, that's the issue, young boys are not of an age where they can consent. But an 18+ woman is, and she is probably making more money than you and I put together. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 10:56am on 06/02/06 at 10:31:12, Tom K wrote:
Funny, but I agree she should be prosecuted. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by nani on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:06am on 06/02/06 at 10:49:33, thomas wrote:
So, should I read this as you saying it's OK to bound, torture and rape someone if they're over 18? I really don't know about anything on the NAMBLA website, but I assume it doesn't post child pornography. That's what is illegal. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:12am on 06/02/06 at 11:06:19, nani wrote:
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by nani on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:17am That's the point. Talking about, or fantasizing about raping anyone is not a crime. Doing so, is. That is what the ACLU does. It makes sure that our rights to do things that are not crimes are protected. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:25am on 06/02/06 at 11:17:24, nani wrote:
Yes, but you could still have a consensual "rape" with a willing, LEGAL AGED partner, as part of fulfilling some type of fantasy. However, you can never have a sexual relationship between an adult and a minor that meets consent requirements. So for the sake of argument, lets say NAMBLA gets what they want........Who's gonna feel safe then? What if sex between boys and men was made legal (their goal, btw) what then? Adults and newborns, adults and people in PVS? Kids and animals? You have to draw the line SOMEWHERE. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by nani on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:30am on 06/02/06 at 11:25:49, thomas wrote:
And I believe that we do. With laws against those acts. Do you really think NAMBLA will get what they want? Really? |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Tom K on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:33am on 06/02/06 at 11:25:49, thomas wrote:
I highly doubt that NAMBLA would get this passed. There aren't that many people who go along with their viewpoint in order to get it passed. Look, there are more gays than kid touchers and they couldn't get same sex marriage passed. (Note: Not trying to piss off gay people but gays just fit better in the sentence.) :) |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:39am on 06/02/06 at 11:30:28, nani wrote:
I sincerely believe that the possibility exists for them to get what they want. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:42am on 06/02/06 at 11:33:29, Tom K wrote:
Boy that's another thing that chaps my ass, the whole fracas over gay marriage. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by floridian on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:50am on 06/02/06 at 11:42:09, thomas wrote:
Try coconut oil or shea butter. |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:53am on 06/02/06 at 11:50:09, floridian wrote:
I think people leaving consenting adults alone, would work better. Treat the problem, not the symptom. ;) |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Tom K on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:53am on 06/02/06 at 11:42:09, thomas wrote:
http://www.desitin.com/ Got, rash? [smiley=laugh.gif] Oh, I slay me!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by floridian on Jun 2nd, 2006, 12:17pm on 06/02/06 at 11:53:32, thomas wrote:
That sounds reasonable, too. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Donna_D. on Jun 2nd, 2006, 12:43pm This thread needs one of these.... http://www.mobyinthemorning.com/images/soapbox.jpg ...step right up!! Take turns with it, ya hear me?? :P DD |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by kcopelin on Jun 2nd, 2006, 4:41pm Scott, My name is not Virginia, and the fact that people do not follow moral absolutes does not negate the existence of them. It merely points to our species' inability to be good, loving, compassionate, honest, charitable and a whole host of other characteristics that most of us would like others to show to us. The Golden rule is cross-cultural, cross-ethnic and cross-religious ideaolgies. A moral absolute is how we "ought" to behave, not how we do, in fact behave. kathy |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Charlie on Jun 2nd, 2006, 7:02pm Quote:
"Not that there's anything wrong with that." http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/yes4.gif?SSImageQuality=Full NAMBLA and its ilk really stretch things. Perhaps it's like yelling fire in a crowded theater. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Jasmyn on Jun 2nd, 2006, 9:26pm on 06/01/06 at 13:09:22, floridian wrote:
This is truly a double edged sword, this freedom of speech. It is better to know your moral enemy by giving them the freedom to speak up. It does not matter what laws exist if they are not enforced. Crime and crimes like this happens all over the world and it is atrocious, so it is this freedom of speech that informs us on how to have better security and protection in place. Awareness is the best individual protection. We are lucky that we have the technology today that allows us to become more aware of things like this happening all over the world. It is not as if this is a new crime but more people are now informed. From: http://www.nai.uu.se/newsfromnai/arkiv/2003/smitheng.html Rape is the most silent of four letter words. Few use it easily. The notion of the sexual violation of an indidivual is repulsive. Human rights organizations say that rape is akin to torture. And yet, there is a curious inertia around combating the scourge of ‘virgin’ rape that accompanies high HIV prevalence, and lack of access to treatment, in some countries with high HIV infection. Many countries in Africa, India and the Caribbean are reporting the phenomenon of the rape of babies—some only a few days old—and the rape of very small children and very elderly women, in the belief, by those that rape, that sex with such females, or small boys, will rid them of HIV. Us woman in South Africa, only got our voting rights and freedom of speech, a few years ago. It is something that we never want to lose again but stricter laws are a definite must and the enforcement of those laws are even more important. Quote:
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by Tom K on Jun 2nd, 2006, 11:25pm on 06/02/06 at 21:26:00, Jasmyn wrote:
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 5th, 2006, 8:46am on 06/02/06 at 16:41:44, kcopelin wrote:
Kathy, Pardon my cynicism. The existence of such a rule ( "Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you." ) does allow our society to function most of the time. However, when it comes to moral absolutes I stand by my contention that history does not agree with you. The whole concept of absolutes "cross-culturally", "cross-ethnically" and "cross-religions" is a fallacy. We're simply lucky to live in the time we're in, in the place we live, where a majority have signed on to the deal. Scott |
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Title: Re: Stop the world, I want to get off.. Post by kcopelin on Jun 5th, 2006, 11:47am Scott, What you refer to has, more often than not, been an issue of the definition of "people". Throughout history various groups and individuals have endured torture, imprisonment, slavery and genocide because they were seen as less than human by those in power. Examples:Hebrews/Israelites/Jews throughout their entire history, people of color, indigenious peoples on every continent, homosexuals, Christians, Catholics, Protestants, pagans, baby girls, left handed people, mentally or physically challenged people, old people, and of course, women. The absolute remains, it is a matter of application. We are hideously and historically bad at being good. But we do know how we want to be treated. And with the exception of masochists, no one wants to be treated badly. And it seems we have strayed far from the original thread. ::) PFDAN y'all, Kathy |
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