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(Message started by: Jonny on May 26^th, 2006, 10:07pm)

Title: A show of hands!
Post by Jonny on May 26^th, 2006, 10:07pm

As it stands anyone can walk into this country and have a baby, BINGO!....all the family are Americans.

My question is this......How many of you would like to amend the constitution to read, "If your not here legally, take your kid and go home"?

WE pay for everyone....69 Billion a year!

What say you?

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Linda_Howell on May 26^th, 2006, 10:19pm

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Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by unsolved1 on May 26^th, 2006, 11:12pm

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UNsolved

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by floridian on May 26^th, 2006, 11:32pm

on 05/26/06 at 22:07:01, Jonny wrote:

My question is this......How many of you would like to amend the constitution to read, "If your not here legally, take your kid and go home"?

I think if we are going to ammend the constitution, we should use proper English.

Quote:

U.S. Army soldier Zeferino Colunga Jr. died four months ago from a mysterious illness he contracted while serving in Iraq and was buried with full honors in a Texas cemetery. Last week, with the family still in mourning, the soldier's father was deported to Mexico as an illegal immigrant. Now family members wonder if the deportation of Zeferino Colunga Sr. was connected to their public demand for an independent investigation into the young soldier's death.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/12/11/soldier/index.html

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Mattrf on May 26^th, 2006, 11:38pm

I agree, the thing that really gets me is that all of a sudden they go from being illegal aliens to immigrants, now correct me if I am wrong but to be an immigrant you have to be here legally and if you are not here legally then you are an illegal alien.
I think calling them immigrants is just trying to make it sound less then it is and is a insult to everyone who has gone through the legal process to be able to proudly call themselves immigrants.
Now I was born here but my great grandparents came here from Europe and they where proud to have earned the right to call themselves American and never drove around with a flag on the hood of there car or demanded that all form be printed in there native tong and spoke English when ever they where in public and tried hard to learn English and be part of American society.
Sorry but people that say they want to be part of America but try and turn it into there own country piss me off.
[smiley=bigtiny.gif] So they can all just bite me!

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by nani on May 26^th, 2006, 11:40pm

Jonny, why not STFU about this here and volunteer for the Minutemen? They're looking for guys just like you.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Sean_C on May 26^th, 2006, 11:53pm

How many of you are Indian?

Don't worry about who's coming to America, you want to change things BUY AMERICAN, make our country strong, turn our economy around, be proud that you people want to live the life you live. Forget about all the bullcrap you here on the radio and cnn. These aren't cuban prisoners, most are hard working people. Give them a shot at a life, the government let your grandparents unless of course you where feathers in your hat.

I got friends I love here that are of Mexican descent, end this stupidness, and I'm not pickin on anyone person either just so you know.

BUY American, nuff said.

Sean.......................................

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by clarence on May 26^th, 2006, 11:54pm

I'm just not sure that it is an automatic deal that if you have a kid, you get to stay.

I know people who have experienced the contrary.

Casey

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Charlie on May 27^th, 2006, 3:28am

George isn't happy. He's been ostensibly leaning over the fence because he has the truly xenophobic and militia fringe of his own party to deal with. I truly believe that is not where he wants to fit in. It's not a slam-dunk way to get votes either.

I thought it was just kids born here that are automatic citizens. I suppose this reflects notions of centuries gone by. It certainly isn't on everyone's short list of things that work well today.

One thing that does work well is that it's incredibly difficut to ammend the Constitution.

Charile

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Lizzie2 on May 27^th, 2006, 3:37am

I may be wrong on this, but I thought that if you come here illegally and your child is born here, then your child is automatically an American citizen since any child born within our borders is a citizen. However, the parents or entire family are still illegal. Am I wrong on this?

Sean - do you mean Indian as in India or Indian as in Native American? Just curious!

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by floridian on May 27^th, 2006, 6:31am

on 05/26/06 at 23:38:36, Mattrf wrote:

... now correct me if I am wrong but to be an immigrant you have to be here legally and if you are not here legally then you are an illegal alien.

You are mixing up the concepts. An immigrant is simply a person that moves to a place - it is independent of anything else (reasons for moving, legal status, etc.).

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Kirk on May 27^th, 2006, 8:02am

You're either here lawfully or unlawfully according to the current governments laws, regulations and rules. All the rest is merely commentary.

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Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by marlinsfan on May 27^th, 2006, 8:09am

on 05/27/06 at 03:37:35, Lizzie2 wrote:

You're right, Lizzie. Parents don't change their status by simply giving birth here.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by john_d on May 27^th, 2006, 8:35am

Amending the constitution is a real bear so if you hear politicians talking about it they are usually blowing hot wind your way, but IMHO...

I would like to see Amendment 14 amended again so that just being born on American soil does NOT result in automatic citizenship.

While we are at it, I would like to see it changed so dual citizenship is no longer possible. If you want to be an American- your loyalty and identity becomes American and only American.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by BobG on May 27^th, 2006, 9:04am

on 05/27/06 at 08:09:45, marlinsfan wrote:

You're right, Lizzie. Parents don't change their status by simply giving birth here.

Yep. But, then there is a decision to make. The baby is American, the mother is an illegal sneak-across-the-border type. Do we make the mother abandon her child? Or do we toss a legal American citizen out of the country. An American citizen that has not broken any law(s)?

Isn't there something in the Bible about visiting the sins of the parents on the child?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by clarence on May 27^th, 2006, 9:19am

on 05/27/06 at 09:04:02, BobG wrote:

In the acquaintences I have had, my understanding is that the child born in the US can be deported with the family, and then return at a later date, sponsoring the other family members for citizenship only when he/she turns 18.

Though, my understanding my be flawed.

And, of course, just because a law says something doesn't mean it is always enforced that way.

Casey

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by deltadarlin on May 27^th, 2006, 11:24am

My great grandmother was full-blooded Cherokee, now, all the rest of you furriners, get the hell out of my country 8).

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Jonny on May 27^th, 2006, 11:30am

on 05/27/06 at 11:24:18, deltadarlin wrote:

My great grandmother was full-blooded Cherokee, now, all the rest of you furriners, get the hell out of my country 8).

LMMFAO.....OK ;;D

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Charlie on May 27^th, 2006, 12:45pm

I kinda like living in a place where it takes some real effort to become a member or rejected. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/hook.gif

We're a strange group.

Charlie

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by pattik on May 27^th, 2006, 12:54pm

I don't think even the Cherokees can claim first dibs. ;;D
In fact, things are really up in the air now. There are even some scientists who theorize that the first Americans could have been European in origin. :o
http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1169905,00.html

Quote:

Coming To America

For decades, scientists thought the New World was populated by migrants from Asia who wandered down the center of the continent about 12,000 years ago. New discoveries are pushing that theory out to sea. Three views on how humans populated the Americas

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by deltadarlin on May 27^th, 2006, 2:08pm

Well, still got it beat, Indian + Europeans :P

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Leesa on May 28^th, 2006, 12:06am

Count me in on that one also can it read " YOU MUST READ AND SPEAK ENGLISH BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT ENTERING!!!!"
Leesa

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by catlind on May 28^th, 2006, 2:05am

on 05/27/06 at 08:35:11, john_d wrote:

I would like to see Amendment 14 amended again so that just being born on American soil does NOT result in automatic citizenship.

While we are at it, I would like to see it changed so dual citizenship is no longer possible. If you want to be an American- your loyalty and identity becomes American and only American.

So, my son born to an active duty Air Force serviceman, with 22 years of service, with a wife who is legally resident in this country, should not be allowed citizenship?

As it stands at the moment, there are 2 countries that the US allows dual citizenship with (legally), Canada and Ireland. For me to take my oath of naturalization (after paying the $1200) I have to renounce my citizenship and loyalty to any foreign government. Canada does not recognize that renunciation. I would have to write a letter of request of audience with the Governor General of Canada and essentially go before a 'confirmation hearing' and then they would determine if they will allow me to renounce my Canadian citizenship.

Under your proposal, I cannot naturalize, and my son cannot be a US citizen, and if I were to be granted renunciation of Canadian citizenship (which is rare) my son would then have no citizenship to any country - he was born in the US to a father of American citizenship, but you would have him unable to claim birth citizenship by birth right of a father who has served 22 years defending the constitution you wish to amend, and would not be allowed to claim Canadian citizenship (an automatic right allowed to him currently as he was born to a mother of Canadian Citizenship), but as soon as I was granted renunciation he would be left a citizen of no country.

Would it take care of the problems with the Mexicans and other foreign nationals using that to gain residency? Possibly, but of course, IMO it would fuck over those of us who are trying to do things according to the law and have paid every penny (to the tune of $4000 so far), filled in every form, produced a background of myself from the age of 16 (including a police report from every city I have lived in from the age of 16), provided a full security and clearance check done by the Canadian Gov't, as well as having provided documented proof of the standard medical, financial, and stability requirements to become a permanent resident.

Yup, that makes alot of sense. Let's fuck every body over.

And to think, my husband has been deployed to a war zone 5 times in his 22 year career defending the freedoms of this country and protecting the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic -- all to have the constitution he has put his life on the line to protect, changed to deny his son citizenship and his wife naturalization if your proposed amendments were enacted.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by john_d on May 28^th, 2006, 7:38am

on 05/28/06 at 02:05:56, catlind wrote:

As it stands at the moment, there are 2 countries that the US allows dual citizenship with (legally), Canada and Ireland.

That's simply not true.

http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20020515dual0515p4.asp

If it were just Canada, it would be different. As it stands we just had millions of illegal immigrants waving flags of countries other than the US in an effort to be granted amnesty and citizenship of this country.

And of course there is this fun fact...

Quote:

In response to a survey of newly naturalized citizens in Los Angeles, 90 percent of Muslim immigrants said that if there were a conflict between the United States and their country of origin, they would be inclined to support their country of origin, said John Fonte of the Hudson Institute.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by sailpappy on May 28^th, 2006, 9:05am

;;D ;;D I believe the American Indians might have shared the view that this is our land and the Whites have no right to take it from us.
I feel any person that can make it here should be allowed to stay and try to meet the legal issues.
I'd still be digging up taters in Ireland and Terri would be making Feta in Greece if our ansestors had been twarted the same way as most of us contind to want to twart the new immagrants.
I see this problem as more of a ""failing of the elected officals"" to follow their own policies. If the border Patrol and INS were diligent in their duties we wouldn't hav this problem.
People that hire the undocumented worker and the poloticians that look the other way are the ones to blame here.
I agree with Buying American, however with Giants like WalMart and IBM in the hands of the Chainese already ther isn't much chance for the small business operations here that have been forced to be more humane by our labor laws.
Out sourcing is another way to circumvent our own Labor laws and Standards and If your Big Business and have people to lobby for you and fight in congress life is a diferent game as far as the law and limitations placed on the rest of us! JMHO Pappy

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Dragnlance on May 29^th, 2006, 9:57am

I agree wholeheartedly Jonny!! I for one, am sick of spending my tax dollars paying for education to kids of people who are criminals and pay no taxes either

Dragn

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on May 30^th, 2006, 10:55am

I'm from Mars.

I think I should be able to stay though since our government shot me down and left the wreckage in Roswell.

http://www.kramerforum.com/forum/images/smilies/alien.gif

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by medic1852 on May 30^th, 2006, 11:05am

on 05/30/06 at 10:55:09, ExplodingEyeBall wrote:

I'm from Mars.

I think I should be able to stay though since our government shot me down and left the wreckage in Roswell.

http://www.kramerforum.com/forum/images/smilies/alien.gif

I dont remember seeing you on my ship?!?http://bestsmileys.com/aliens/10.gif

Rodger

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by LeLimey on May 30^th, 2006, 11:23am

on 05/30/06 at 10:55:09, ExplodingEyeBall wrote:

I'm from Mars.

I think I should be able to stay though since our government shot me down and left the wreckage in Roswell.

http://www.kramerforum.com/forum/images/smilies/alien.gif

Welcome mars man.. this is quite an intergalactic forum. It seems we have more than a few citizens of Uranus here already ::)

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Redd715 on May 30^th, 2006, 11:33am

on 05/30/06 at 11:23:37, LeLimey wrote:

Welcome mars man.. this is quite an intergalactic forum. It seems we have more than a few citizens of Uranus here already ::)

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Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by unsolved1 on May 30^th, 2006, 11:44am

on 05/26/06 at 23:53:51, Sean_C wrote:

you want to change things BUY AMERICAN

BUY AMERICAN !!

UNsolved

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by nani on May 30^th, 2006, 12:09pm

on 05/30/06 at 11:23:37, LeLimey wrote:

It seems we have more than a few citizens of Uranus here already ::)

[smiley=spit.gif] ;;D

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Melissa on May 30^th, 2006, 12:33pm

I know this is way out there, but I will say it anyway.

I've always wished for a world without borders....

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by echo on May 30^th, 2006, 12:53pm

on 05/30/06 at 12:33:41, Melissa wrote:

I've always wished for a world without borders....

I agree, I hate that book store.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on May 30^th, 2006, 1:46pm

on 05/30/06 at 12:53:07, echo wrote:

I agree, I hate that book store.

Dam!!! I wasn't fast enough. I work at a Library and Borders is cutting into business.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by aprilbee on May 30^th, 2006, 3:25pm

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh what to do, what to do....we can talk about it all we want, but the fact of the matter is people are PAID to search for, keep out, illegal aliens, and as long as they can get into this country, they will have a job, and I'm sure these men are "choosen" by certain gov officials to run those particular offices, so in my view nothing will ever change, we let them in on a work program and now we're kicking them out, its lining peoples pockets left and right...why would they try to fix the problem???? I say if they are here and earning AMERICAN dollars, they need to be spent in AMERICA, not sent back home and spent in their country...that's what bothers me the most... :-/

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Charlie on May 30^th, 2006, 8:08pm

Pretty hard to buy American.

Something like 90% of clothing purchased here comes from China and the like. http://kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/fool.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Charlie

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by maffumatt on May 30^th, 2006, 8:49pm

on 05/30/06 at 20:08:31, Charlie wrote:

Pretty hard to buy American.

Something like 90% of clothing purchased here comes from China and the like. http://kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/fool.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Charlie

lets import some 3rd world workers to drive the textile wage down to 25 cents an hour then I bet you could find some with the good 'ol USA printed on them.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Sean_C on May 30^th, 2006, 9:14pm

on 05/30/06 at 20:49:39, maffumatt wrote:

lets import some 3rd world workers to drive the textile wage down to 25 cents an hour then I bet you could find some with the good 'ol USA printed on them.

LOL Matt what planet do you live on. Don't drive down the wage, just pay more for the products that your brothers and sisters made here in the good ol' USA. You would do that if thats what we needed to do wouldn't you? Or would you just say fuck it and give your money to the gooks because you got to save a few pennies and put an american out of a job because you were to cheap to pay the extra buck? Just curious ;;D

AP-Feb 10, 2006 WASHINGTON - The U.S. trade deficit soared to an all-time high of $725.8 billion in 2005, pushed upward by record imports of oil, food, cars and other consumer goods. The deficit with China hit an all-time high as did America’s deficits with Japan, Europe, OPEC, Canada, Mexico and South and Central America.

The Commerce Department reported Friday that the gap between what America sells abroad and what it imports rose to $725.8 billion last year, up by 17.5 percent from the previous record of $617.6 billion set in 2004.

It marked the fourth consecutive year that America’s trade deficit has set a record and was certain to spark increased debate in Congress over President Bush’s trade policies. Since mid-2000 the country has lost nearly 3 million manufacturing jobs and Democrats blame the administration’s policy of emphasizing free trade agreements.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by maffumatt on May 30^th, 2006, 9:30pm

I was a caricature Sean.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Tom K on May 30^th, 2006, 9:40pm

on 05/30/06 at 12:53:07, echo wrote:

I agree, I hate that book store.

Screw Borders, buy at Barnes and Chernobyl... ;;D

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by mynm156 on May 31^st, 2006, 5:58pm

Countries like Germany, Fance and I am sure MANY others have policies that just because you were born there doesnt make you a citizen. I was born in Germany and I dont have duel citizenship. I say YEAH!

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by floridian on May 31^st, 2006, 6:29pm

on 05/30/06 at 21:40:54, Tom K wrote:

Screw Borders, buy at Barnes and Chernobyl... ;;D

That's where Doctors Without Borders go.

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by Ghost on Jun 1^st, 2006, 8:51am

[smiley=wave.gif]

Mike

Title: Re: A show of hands!
Post by unsolved1 on Jun 1^st, 2006, 2:05pm

Is this coming in the future ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060601/sc_space/proposaltoimplanttrackingchipsinimmigrants;_ylt=AjtBjnBMYlSg2hLT_VoozUwbr7sF;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-

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