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(Message started by: blood_Redd_son on May 19th, 2006, 9:32am)
Title: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by blood_Redd_son on May 19th, 2006, 9:32am
While trying to find my newest favorite hard rock/metal station, i stop on one station talking about the da Vinci Code movie.  They go on saying it's a bunch of crap, saying it doesn't follow 'biblical guidelines', and that it shouldn't come out.  they go on that if you marry someone whose not Christian, and decide not to interfere with their kids spiritual beliefes, then the kid(s) will go satanic, especially from reading Harry Potter.

and they say that the only people who can call in are Christians, yet they call themselves a free speech network.

Anyone see the irony in that?
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Redd715 on May 19th, 2006, 9:40am
Fear generates hate and misunderstanding, Dylan.  Try to remember that.

As far as the free speech network goes, the irony is very clear.  Don't stoop to the level of being angry, they seem to have that area covered.  Feel sorry that they have such closed minds instead.

Bright Blessings to you my son.

Love Mom.
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by aprilbee on May 19th, 2006, 10:16am
Does this movie claim to be a documentary or a movie for entertainment purposes?  
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Tom K on May 19th, 2006, 10:17am

on 05/19/06 at 09:32:10, blood_Redd_son wrote:
While trying to find my newest favorite hard rock/metal station, i stop on one station talking about the da Vinci Code movie.  They go on saying it's a bunch of crap, saying it doesn't follow 'biblical guidelines', and that it shouldn't come out.  they go on that if you marry someone whose not Christian, and decide not to interfere with their kids spiritual beliefes, then the kid(s) will go satanic, especially from reading Harry Potter.

and they say that the only people who can call in are Christians, yet they call themselves a free speech network.

Anyone see the irony in that?



They have the right to say it, you have the right to be pissed off.  The only freedom of speach that isn't covered in the First Amendment is yelling FIRE in a crowded room, unless there is really a fire.  Redd is right, just move along.  If you want to take away their right to say what they want, then you are taking the same side as the people who fine and censor talk show host like Opie and Anthony, or put the bleeps in songs.  By XM and you will have 200 channels to choose from and you can totally avoid shows like that, plus not have to deal with commericals on the music stations.  HTH  
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Racer1_NC on May 19th, 2006, 11:44am

on 05/19/06 at 09:32:10, blood_Redd_son wrote:
and they say that the only people who can call in are Christians, yet they call themselves a free speech network.


Hmmmm....you don't want to hear them, they don't want to hear you. Sounds like the idea situation. Move along.
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by zwibbs/Scott on May 19th, 2006, 12:01pm
The reason why Catholics ( of which I am a member) do not want to see this movie is because Brown, the author has this whole fictional theory that Jesus Christ actually married Mary Magdelane and they had children...BUT.....The worst part is that he claims that the Vatican killed people when they found out the truth.   I really haven't followed the whole media circus around this thing as Matt Lauer was in France for the past three days covering the DaVinci Code opening at one of the geographical landmarks of the book.....I view Jesus Christ as my Saviour, the Son of God. I don't shove my beliefs down anybody's throat----but think of this----if they came out with a book that belittled Mohammad--the prophet------------the muslims would cut your balls off and shove them down your throat...they wouldn't waste any time on the airwaves.
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by clarence on May 19th, 2006, 12:17pm
Hey Dylan,

Sounds like you tuned in to one of my least favorite radio stations.  Whenever I listen to those guys I want to shout at the top of my lungs for everyone to hear that not all Christians listen to or are a part of stupid radio stations, and there are a lot who actually like Harry Potter.  

There are some of us who aren't weirdos...at least, I don't think I'm a weirdo.

Going to see DaVinci Code this weekend,
Casey
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by maffumatt on May 19th, 2006, 12:35pm
they don't speak for me, I am a live and let live type of person............you have your beliefs and I have mine.......if they are not compatable then we just don't talk about them and go on about our day.
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Redd715 on May 19th, 2006, 12:49pm
Being a teenager, and finding a faith path that is not mainstream but makes sence to him, Dylan walks a precarious tightrope between remaining openminded, and falling prey to the pressures of society to be "normal" or to "conform".  We live in an area that is predominantly Catholic, his Paternal Grandmother is a member of a very tightly wound Fundamentalist/Evangelical chuch where he recieved his earliest religious education.  He and I follow a Wiccan path.  He came to this on his own this past autumn.  

We do not shove our beliefs down throats either.  All are entitled to their beliefs.  What has him upset, I suspect, is that alternative points of view, facts vs theology, were not welcome to be shared.  Instead, it was a dictorial condemnation of any belief or thought that might threaten to make someone think "outside the box".
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Charlie on May 19th, 2006, 6:42pm
I listened to a Jesusy radio station once because of a long discussion by some annointed type that Winston Churchill's radio speeches were done by a third party. I never did get why this was the topic or what he did to inflame these jerks....it doesn't take much. Ridiculous anyway. I wish I had those minutes back.  http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/slap.gif

Anyway, they are all a PITA and blow out other stations around here. There oughta be a law.

The Divinci Code is fiction and a movie and these idiots are insuring that its producers are going to make a shitload of money on what has been called a not too exciting film.

Every time they slam Harry Potter, thousands of people make it a point to look it over.

These are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Charlie
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by zwibbs/Scott on May 20th, 2006, 2:51am
I have never heard of Catholics slamming Harry Potter, however Da Vinci Code has received some pretty awful reviews. I don't think it will make the type of money everyone thinks it has the ability to make. Ron Howard hasn't made a winner in the last three movies that he has produced. " Cinderella Man" while a very good movie---busted from opening night.
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by floridian on May 21st, 2006, 4:53pm

on 05/19/06 at 12:01:40, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
The reason why Catholics ( of which I am a member) do not want to see this movie is because Brown, the author has this whole fictional theory that Jesus Christ actually married Mary Magdelane and they had children...BUT.....The worst part is that he claims that the Vatican killed people when they found out the truth.  



Sure, its fictional. I don't think that the idea that Jesus might have had kids with a woman really challenges the central ideas of Christianity - the whole God as Man idea only makes sense if he is fully human, subject to pain and temptation. And having kids isn't necessarily a sin - many on this board are reputed to have kids of their own.  ;)  

Enjoyed the book, haven't seen the movie yet.
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Charlie on May 21st, 2006, 5:09pm
Or as a cartoon that I saw roughly stated: If this movie is enough to shake up your religion, you need to give it some serious work.

Charlie
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Tom K on May 21st, 2006, 5:14pm

on 05/19/06 at 12:01:40, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
----if they came out with a book that belittled Mohammad--the prophet------------the muslims would cut your balls off and shove them down your throat...they wouldn't waste any time on the airwaves.


It didn't take a book, just a couple of drawings.  Saw the movie, it was...eh....Hanks sucks in it and it was...eh.  The shame is that I really like Brown's work.  
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by dennisoc on May 22nd, 2006, 3:03am

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his Paternal Grandmother is a member of a very tightly wound Fundamentalist/Evangelical chuch ...  He and I follow a Wiccan path.


yikes...beware of dinner invitations...they eat their young

Son. You are god. Be a gentle loving one.

wage peace
den
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by clarence on May 22nd, 2006, 7:40am

on 05/22/06 at 03:03:55, dennisoc wrote:
yikes...beware of dinner invitations...they eat their young


Eh, Christians been accused of that since the first century.  Never seen it happen myself, but, it would be odd.

Casey
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by john_d on May 22nd, 2006, 9:42am

You may have about 10-15 years of disappointment ahead before you figure out we are actually just hairless monkeys.   [smiley=bunnybash.gif]
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Kevin_M on May 22nd, 2006, 10:59am

on 05/22/06 at 09:42:19, john_d wrote:
You may have about 10-15 years of disappointment ahead before you figure out we are actually just hairless monkeys.



In another thread, I fell out of a pine tree.   ;)
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by nani on May 22nd, 2006, 11:10am

on 05/22/06 at 09:42:19, john_d wrote:
we are actually just hairless monkeys.


Speak for yourself, blondie. I'm actually quite hairy.  ;;D

Dyl, let me give you my two cents:

1. Don't listen to that metal devil music. You'll turn out like Jonny.  ;;D
2. I agree with Casey, those who speak loudest, do not speak for all Christians.
3. den is right...we are God. All living things are part of this great cosmic consiousness we call God (or Allah, or...insert name here).

I think movies are meant to be entertaining, not something to set or alter your beliefs.
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Tom K on May 22nd, 2006, 11:58am
Don't let them get to you, Dylan.  Just remember, that all the religous fanatics beliefs are based on fiction.  Did god really build all of the earth and it's beings in 7 of our days?  What, when the sun went down, he called it quits for the day?  I really don't think god went by the modern calander.  Think of Jesus as an ancient version of Penn and Teller.  He may have walked on water, but everyone else was too stupid to know that it was frozen.   ;;D  Now, I will get all the religous people pissed at me, but oh well...Where did I put that "Stir the Pot" smilie?   8)
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Jimi on May 22nd, 2006, 12:11pm

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3. den is right...we are God

Den is not right. We are not God.


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 Now, I will get all the religous people pissed at me, but oh well...Where did I put that "Stir the Pot" smilie?    

Why do you feel the need to get the "religious" people pissed at you? You know there are many on here that DO believe. Why would you want to hurt their feelings or make them angry?

I hate these threads. :-/
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Tom K on May 22nd, 2006, 12:20pm

on 05/22/06 at 12:11:37, Jimi wrote:
Why do you feel the need to get the "religious" people pissed at you? You know there are many on here that DO believe. Why would you want to hurt their feelings or make them angry?

I hate these threads. :-/



I don't feel the need to get anyone angry, but it seems to be the way it works out lately.  Maybe it is the length of this cycle, maybe I'm just getting to be more of an asshat in my old age.  Maybe it is the fact that I'm an outspoken prick...Everyone has an opinion about things and I tend to voice mine.  Dylan voiced his and didn't have a problem with it, nor did anyone accuse him of jumping on people's beliefs.  If what I say makes someone question their beliefs, is that my fault?  I wasn't personally attacking anyone, it just seems that when voicing one's opinion, that may differ from the "norm", some people get their panties in a wad.  Additionally, reread my quote with a bit of sarcasm added, because that is how it was written.  If you are at Convention, I will buy you a beer and we will talk.  Insert Bark worse than Bite, here...
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Redd715 on May 22nd, 2006, 12:40pm
Hey folks, I'm sure my son didn't start this thread to raise the hackles on anybody's necks, or start a Holy War over religious freedoms.

Can we please not make this personal?

Thank you,

Pegg
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by seasonalboomer on May 22nd, 2006, 1:13pm
read a good one the other day regarding the issue of fundamentalists and taking the bible literally.... the argument was along the lines of, "should we live by dogma that was created and written when the highest ideal of technology was a wheelbarrow?"

it's from a book called "The Loss of Faith" -- this book is sure to get the author a personal fatwa issued against him as well as excommunication from the other side. an interesting read if you can stomach a little criticism against everything.

Scott
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Jimi on May 22nd, 2006, 1:42pm
First of all...........
1. I don't wear panties.
2. My bite is worse than my bark.
3. I don't drink beer.
4. But I will take a rum and coke. ;;D

See you at the convention, but I will NOT be talking about religion.
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Charlie on May 22nd, 2006, 1:47pm
I rarely long for the good old days but I liked it when I was young. A ton of us went to church, did churchy things, contributed to poor and sick people rather than to screeching Supreme Court haters and gay bashers.

I miss that.

Charlie
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by fubar on May 22nd, 2006, 2:25pm

on 05/22/06 at 13:47:25, Charlie wrote:
I rarely long for the good old days but I liked it when I was young. A ton of us went to church, did churchy things, contributed to poor and sick people rather than to screeching Supreme Court haters and gay bashers.

I miss that.

Charlie


There's no good reason to miss it at all, is there?  Don't let the haters get you down Charlie.
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by clarence on May 22nd, 2006, 2:47pm

on 05/22/06 at 12:40:41, Redd715 wrote:
Hey folks, I'm sure my son didn't start this thread to raise the hackles on anybody's necks, or start a Holy War over religious freedoms.

Can we please not make this personal?

Thank you,

Pegg


While I find this thread incredibly interesting, and while I find that when my hackles are raised, I am inclined towards spiritual growth, out of respect I would be happy to let this thread drop.

Casey

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Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Tom K on May 22nd, 2006, 2:50pm

on 05/22/06 at 13:42:54, Jimi wrote:
First of all...........
1. I don't wear panties.
2. My bite is worse than my bark.
3. I don't drink beer.
4. But I will take a rum and coke. ;;D

See you at the convention, but I will NOT be talking about religion.



Works for me!
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by seasonalboomer on May 22nd, 2006, 2:53pm

on 05/22/06 at 13:47:25, Charlie wrote:
I rarely long for the good old days but I liked it when I was young. A ton of us went to church, did churchy things, contributed to poor and sick people rather than to screeching Supreme Court haters and gay bashers.

I miss that.

Charlie



Charlie, I'm with ya there. Even for those of us that didn't do "churchy" things back then, it sure seemed that times were a lot nicer and for some reason "screeching" was something I rarely saw or heard. I just haven't ficured out how my generation (I'm 45) has been at its apex of influence during such an incredibly shrill period in political history. Did everyone forget?

scott
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by maffumatt on May 22nd, 2006, 5:14pm
this thread hurts my head...........
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by dennisoc on May 22nd, 2006, 7:35pm
this threads title is eyecatching

experiencing and questioning culture, myth, religion etc is paramount toward spiritual growth...you feel free fella.

we are a circus of beliefs here...enjoy the glamor, the clowns, the danger...

...and listen as the blind men touch the different parts of the elephant...each describing their belief...their opinion on what an elephant (god) really looks like.

simply tell your story...if you don't have one...get one

wage peace
den
Title: Re: More fundamentalist bulls***?!?
Post by Linda_Howell on May 22nd, 2006, 7:53pm

Quote:
:First of all...........
1. I don't wear panties.
2. My bite is worse than my bark.
3. I don't drink beer.
4. But I will take a rum and coke.  

See you at the convention, but I will NOT be talking about religion.  


And I will be the one buying him the rum and coke... ;;D


Linda


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