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(Message started by: unsolved1 on May 17^th, 2006, 4:54pm)

Title: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by unsolved1 on May 17^th, 2006, 4:54pm

This today at CNN.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/17/unmarried.ap/index.html

Quote:

BLACK JACK, Missouri (AP) -- The City Council has rejected a measure allowing unmarried couples with multiple children to live together, and the mayor said those who fall into that category could soon face eviction.

Olivia Shelltrack and Fondrey Loving were denied an occupancy permit after moving into a home in this St. Louis suburb because they have three children and are not married.

The town's Planning and Zoning Commission proposed a change in the law, but the measure was rejected Tuesday by the City Council in a 5-3 vote.

"I'm just shocked," Shelltrack said. "I really thought this would all be over, and we could go on with our lives."

The current ordinance prohibits more than three people from living together unless they are related by "blood, marriage or adoption." The defeated measure would have changed the definition of a family to include unmarried couples with two or more children.

Mayor Norman McCourt declined to be interviewed but said in a statement that those who do not meet the town's definition of family could soon face eviction.

Black Jack's special counsel, Sheldon Stock, declined to say whether the city will seek to remove Loving and Shelltrack from their home

I'm not saying they should change the definition of family...but really, why not? If you and your spouse has 2 or more children ... Doesn't that make you family?

I know if I lived there with my childrens' mother, even though we never got married, I would not let city council evict me. IT would have to be by force!

UNsolved

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by Jonny on May 17^th, 2006, 4:58pm

Is that only for people renting or even if someone buys a house?

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by Melissa on May 17^th, 2006, 5:03pm

How absolutely fucking retarded! So if let's say my husband and I get divorced, and I rent an appartment/house with my 2 kids, fall in love with someone else and have them move in...I could be evicted there?

I don't think so. >:(

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by unsolved1 on May 17^th, 2006, 5:04pm

I guess law would apply to both renters and home owners. You would not be able to get an "Occupancy Permit" if there were more than 3 people living together unless the 3 were related by blood, marriage, or adoption.

What if I wanted to move there and have a couple of room mates ? NO CAN DO !!

UNsolved

"Anyone who is moving into City of Black Jack must apply for and receive an occupancy permit before moving in."
http://www.cityofblackjack.com/default.asp?sectionID=42&MENUID=738&pageID=10116&lMnu=m0

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by medic1852 on May 17^th, 2006, 5:26pm

Big Brother is coming! "We have ways of making you comply!"http://bestsmileys.com/evil/4.gif

Rodger :-/

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by Jonny on May 17^th, 2006, 5:26pm

I have never had to get an "Occupancy Permit" ANYWHERE I have lived.

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by unsolved1 on May 17^th, 2006, 5:36pm

I just e-mailed the mayor of Black Jack, MO ;;D

Evicting a family on the basis that mom and dad aren't married sounds like something the Talibani's would do !!

UNsolved

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by Redd715 on May 17^th, 2006, 7:34pm

The children are related by blood to both parents, there are only 2 people who aren't related. They fall below the 3 person rule.

Mother and 2 children= related=3
Father and 2 children=related=3
Mother and father=not related=2

The math there is faulty and could be argued?

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by BobG on May 17^th, 2006, 10:39pm

What the hell is an Occupancy Permit? Isn't Missouri part of the USA? Or is it a communist nation all to it's own?

Sounds like some of the nazi controlled Home Owners Associations here.

Where's the ACLU when you need them? Might be worth moving there just to sue their balls off.

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by Charlie on May 17^th, 2006, 11:06pm

Missouri is too close to Kansas I guess. Some medieval legislation is bound to ooze across the border so long as pulpit pounders populate school boards.

Unreal http://www.subscribe.smileygenerator.us/smileys/Read/news.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Charlie

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by notseinfeld on May 18^th, 2006, 8:47am

I believe this law (and others like it) stem from a 'good place' which is to keep Julio and his 15 friends from occupying the house next to yours under the protection of 'hey, we're all just renting it'. Especially if it's a semi-quiet family neighborhood.

So far as owning a home the government has business telling you what you can do inside of it, outside of it, or how many people you care to have living with you. So long as no one's rights are being infringed upon let's all remember: it's your castle.

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by imnotbub on May 18^th, 2006, 10:34am

on 05/18/06 at 08:47:11, notseinfeld wrote:

Here, it's not Julio that is the problem, it's Bong Wing and the Patel's that crowd populate, and they generaly stay to themselves, so who cares. The only detriment is that they send a flock to the schools, and don't pay their fair share of school taxes, as they are included in property taxes here.

Steve

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by Kirk on May 18^th, 2006, 4:08pm

An "Occupancy Permit"?

That is so wierd I don't know where to start. Is Rod Serling still alive?

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Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by Carl_D on May 18^th, 2006, 5:40pm

Shit!
You mean only us midwesterners have to pay occupancy permits? It is always nice $50 addition to anywhere you are scraping up the money for both first and last months rent plus deposit. I have paid for occupancy permits here in Illinois since moving back here 10 years ago.

And as far as the Blackjack ordinance goes? That is totally fucked up! What the fuck ever happened to the LAND OF THE FREE?

It is not a democracy, it is a demockracy!

>:(

*Next will come segregation where if 2 household members are white and one is black you cannot live together.

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by unsolved1 on May 18^th, 2006, 11:17pm

I can see not wanting or allowing 10 people to occupy a 2 bedroom house. But in this particular case, we're talking about a mom and a dad and their 3 children. Since mom and dad aren't married, they have to move out of that CITY (not just the residence). There is a flaw there!

So, if I do win the lottery and plan on building a big 6 bedroom house in Black Jack, MO and moving in a few close friends ... I CAN'T BY LAW ?? There's a flaw there too.

UNsolved

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by BarbaraD on May 19^th, 2006, 5:57am

So is BIG BROTHER gonna monitor our HOMES now? This is a ridiculous ordiance and should be challenged. Where's the ALCU when you need them?

A few years ago there was a story about divorced parents and custody of the kid. The mother was "ordered" NOT to smoke in her house if she wanted to have her son visit.

Let's face it - WE'VE given too much power to our "elected" officials and now they're trying to place their "druthers" on US. If we just sit around and take it - we deserve what we get.

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Black Jack, MO city council gone mad !
Post by floridian on May 19^th, 2006, 6:19am

These laws have been around for a long time in many areas - people do want to keep boarding houses out of suburban neighborhoods. They do want to keep student ghettos from spreading. Big brother doesn't check on each and every residence. But if 5 or 6 college students rent a house in a nice neighborhood, and bring Animal House lifestyle to the burbs, they can be evicted.

The hysteria seems to be related to a government definition of what a family is - in a few cases, there might be an extended family that doesn't fit the restrictive definition from Black Jack. One man, one woman, their kids. That's the definition the fundamentalists want - anything beyond that is illegal.