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Title: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 16th, 2006, 9:26pm The President is a fucking retard!!! Just how do you be a country of laws and welcome 12-14 million law breakers? Sure, most are good but what about the killers, rapists and diseased? This is bullshit, there are folks like Cat that have been waiting for years to be legal. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it........ Post by maffumatt on May 16th, 2006, 9:38pm as much as it pains me to say but it your right...but don't tell Charlie..... |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BobG on May 16th, 2006, 9:45pm I have to agree. And, using the National Guard or Reserves to guard the border is B.S. Their job is to protect America in case the USA is attacked. It was not their job to go to war in Iraq. Mexico is not attacking us. It is the Border Patrol's job to stop the illegals. The Guard and Reserve troops don't deserve to come home from Iraq and then be sent to the border. Except in time of war it is not the military's job to patrol the border. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 16th, 2006, 9:49pm on 05/16/06 at 21:45:48, BobG wrote:
Guess what, Bob.....Its a fucking invasion.....we are being attacked!!! |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Linda_Howell on May 16th, 2006, 9:54pm Quote:
I agree too. My Father came through Ellis Island from Germany... legally. He studied our laws, learned how to speak English and took the test and proudly stood up, raised his right hand and was sworn in to be a US citizen. Amnesty for the millions of illegals is a very cruel slap in the face to people like Cat, my Dad and others who followed the rules. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by DonnaHar on May 16th, 2006, 10:21pm And YES they are taking jobs away from our citizens by working for $2-3.00 per hour, three or 4 families living in one house and collecting food stamps, etc. We have many workers here willing to work for minimum wage. It is not that Americans don't want to do certain jobs. They just can't make it on what the pay is. It is a fact that if you do not earn in one week what is equal to one months rent or mortage payment, you aren't going to make it. How many homeless people do we have in this country? How many used- to- be middle class people can now be wiped out if they lose a couple of weeks pay due to illness or whatever? I wish you all would go to www.letters-to.com and put this all down in one thread that I could mail to the powers-that-be. That site is all but dead, but I'd revive it in a heart beat just to show our superiors(?) that we have something to say. What happened to our job applications where we had to provide social security cards to prove that we were legal? My grandparents came from Prague and Germany, stood in line at Elis Island, studied English, learned the levels of government and tested out to earn their citizenship..ever so proudly. And now this stupid tax break where the middle class family saves $20 to $30 dollars per year while the rich saves in the 6 figures? It's our own fault, to a point. We let them get away with this crap a little bit at a time until we are so far in deep doo-doo that we can't get out. When are we the people going to say enough is enough? Sorry.......I get really upset when we talk about our government. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by KingOfPain on May 16th, 2006, 10:27pm on 05/16/06 at 21:54:53, Linda_Howell wrote:
Exactly! Granting amnesty to the illegals [that means law breakers] does nothing but weaken our security...a free pass into this country. You think it's bad now? If our so called "Government" gives amnesty to any of them, get ready people! How it is now will seem wonderful compared to the future. Terrorists, come on in. :o It's like handing the bank robbers a key to the vault. ::) |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by cyclops on May 16th, 2006, 10:38pm Remember when someone skipped in front of you in the lunch line at school? Same shit, different scenario! "BUSH" The first Democratic Republican I have ever seen >:( Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Lizzie2 on May 16th, 2006, 10:46pm Mark this day.....Jonny and Matt both said that Bush sucks. Is Charlie still away? This is the day us bleeding heart liberals have been waiting for for years! (And by that, I mean the day you guys admitted he was bad...) hahaha J/k you two....but glad you finally saw the light. ;) :-* |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BarbaraD on May 17th, 2006, 6:24am The latest on the airwaves is "What about the children that are born here of illegal parents -- they are American citizens?" Well, my opinion on that one -- they GO where the parents go - BACK - and when they're 18 they can decide which citizenship they want (isn't how that works when OUR children are born in a foreign country? - military kids [smiley=huh.gif]) Had a neighbor born in Germany and she had a dual citizenship until she reached 18 and then went thru the paperwork to "decide" to be American rather than German. Document them and then send them back to Mexico with their parents until they grow up. After that they can "sponser" their parents to come here if they still like them. But Jonny you're right -- Bush is a *&^^% idiot! Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by floridian on May 17th, 2006, 6:55am on 05/17/06 at 06:24:58, BarbaraD wrote:
Not exactly - a person born to a parent who is an American citizen is a citizen from day 1, no matter where they are born. It's a legal doctrine called jus sanguine, doctrine of blood. There is a form to fill out at any US embassy, and they will 'convert' the foreign birth certificate into the equivalent of a US birth certificate ... called a "Report of a US Citizen Born Abroad." That's what my daughter has, and she has had a US passport since she was knee high to a grasshopper. The other side of the coin is jus soli, doctrine of soil. Born on US soil = US citizen. I don't know as much about the details of that one, the US Constitution does mention it. Quote:
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by karma on May 17th, 2006, 7:14am Quote:
Common sense goes out the window when you need votes. It seems that the only people who don't want an amnesty or special treatment for Illegal aliens aren't running for any office. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Ghost on May 17th, 2006, 7:45am No matter how you look at it rewarding lawbreakers and punishing those following the law is wrong no matter what the motivation IMHO. :'( It is just sad. :( Mike |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by deltadarlin on May 17th, 2006, 8:08am I'm gonna run my ass out on a limb here (so please dont' anyone grab a saw). How does anyone propose that we round up 10-12 million people (including women, infants/children and the elderly) and remove them from the US? Right now, we (as in the US) is probably one of the most despised countries in the world. Even those who marginally like us are not going to continue to do so when the press sends pictures around the world of the elderly and infants/children being *removed* and sent back to Mexico, et al at the hands of armed men. I can't say that there aren't parts of Bush's plan that I agree with. He is NOT suggesting that blanket amnesty be given to illegals in this country, nor is he suggesting that they get special treatment and be allowed to obtain citizenship through an accelerated path. From what I understood, those that are here illegally, they will go to the end of the line, behind all those that are trying to obtain citizenship legally (oen report stated that it would take 10 years to obtain citizenzhip). As for using the guard~what does anyone suggest? Build a wall? Sure, but better get read to pony up about a billion dollars to build it. For those of you who say that what the president is doing with the guard is not their duty~ on 05/16/06 at 21:45:48, BobG wrote:
well, that's not quite correct either. 1) Article I, Section 8; Clause 15 The Congress shall have Power ... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions. I do believe that thousands of illegals crossing the border illegally would come under the classical definition of *Invasion*. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by karma on May 17th, 2006, 8:51am Quote:
1) enforce the existing immigration/labor laws 2) 6 months to register for and obtain a visa. Work, school, visitor doesn't matter, apply for what you need. 3) If you haven't applied in time you will be sent home 4) If you violate the terms of your visa you cannot be approved for another one. 5) hire/ train enough border protection agents. I think the number is 6,000 6) keep up the pressure to get it right. The only reason immigration is headlines is because voters are upset and letting people know it. Unfortunatly rule for one is rule for all. Age, gender, health or nationality it makes no difference. By applying even, fair pressure to get legal or get out, many will go home, more will try and get legal and the rest will be sent home. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by deltadarlin on May 17th, 2006, 9:01am You still haven't said *how* we are supposed to do this. All you did was say what needed to be done, that's like telling me to bake a wedding cake and handing me the recipe, but no tools to bake it with. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Mark C on May 17th, 2006, 9:13am I agree too.....I believe the answer lies in the economics of the situation.....supply and demand....we (American Companies) demand cheap labor because we demand cheap products (and higher profits).....Mexico supplies the cheap labor. Following the current laws (I-9's etc) on the books would cull a lot of it but the answer lies in curtailing the demand for $2.00 an hour labor, which don’t seem likely....hmmm....punish the companies that willingly employ illeagles? Charlie! ;;D ;;D |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by aprilbee on May 17th, 2006, 10:13am on 05/16/06 at 21:26:45, Jonny wrote:
Yep! He's a [smiley=looser.gif] Thank you for saying it first!! :-* |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BarbaraD on May 17th, 2006, 10:34am In other countries, if an American wants to work there, he/she applies for a work visa. This has to be renewed periodically (usually every 3 months - depending on the country). If you don't report for the renewal (and a lot of time that means leaving the country for a while and then coming back) - you go to jail or worse (depending on the country). Even in Venezuela (a thrid world country if I ever saw one) they KEEP UP with "guest workers" and come after you if you don't renew your visa. Now, if these OTHER countries can keep up with people who are "guests" in their country WHY the hell can't the US? Over the past 40+ years I've been in and out of the US and coming back in I ALWAYS get questioned by the immigration people. Why aren't they doing this to others? As far as the border goes -- put up the wall and if you catch the illegals - send 'em back. Maybe instead of tapping all our phones, the US government should start checking SS cards on jobsites. Fine the hell out of the employer and send the employee back. And as far as I-9s go, most people don't even bother with them. As I've said before, I've never known anyone to get checked on them, so people just don't fool with them. I always did, but most people I know don't even know what they are (small companies). It's taken a lot of years of "ignoring" this problem to get into this fix, so it'll take a little while to get out of it, but it's time Congress did SOMETHING besides talk! Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by karma on May 17th, 2006, 10:54am Quote:
Step one is to apply the laws in place already. Personnel is a problem so give local police the power to check and prosecute immigration violations. Right now only Homelandd security can do that. As for the rest its a matter of upgrading the systems already in place to expedite visa applications. BUT it MUST be rule for one rule for all. That includes Canadians, Europeans, Asians, everyone! If you do that the number increase way beyond the 12-14 million Latinos. Are we willing to go that far? |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by imnotbub on May 17th, 2006, 11:12am on 05/17/06 at 08:08:56, deltadarlin wrote:
Just a drop in the bucket if you look at what we are spending in the middle east. Is the revelation that the president is a moron, surrounded by criminals, finally going to open the eyes of the few that still think that the war is a good thing? on 05/17/06 at 09:13:16, Mark C wrote:
Unfortunately, I know a few business people that use illegals in their businesses. They don’t pay them $2.00 and hour, they get pretty decent money. I believe the incentive is the elimination of paying workmans comp and social security fees. I’m all for fining the business owners, but some businesses will go under because the overhead increase will facilitate the need for a price increase in the goods or services provided, and people will not pay more for it. on 05/16/06 at 22:21:09, DonnaHar wrote:
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Charlie on May 17th, 2006, 11:14am You know---- every now and then one of these blowhards gets a chance to tilt the scale back his way just a bit. No such luck here. Bush succeeded in making everybody mad....even the barbed wire stringing, AK-47 weilding, barricaded lunatic encamped fringe hate him. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/bat.gif |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by nani on May 17th, 2006, 11:25am on 05/17/06 at 11:14:14, Charlie wrote:
You mean, like..... Jonny? ;;D Actually Jonny... you're not the first to say it... I've been saying it all along. :P |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by chewy on May 17th, 2006, 11:30am Jonny isn't barricaded. He's on the loose raoming freely and at will. And you let a bunch of Mexcan illegals scare you? |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by wildhaus on May 17th, 2006, 11:42am Hay, so when I came to the convention can I take advantage of the situation, and be an American......... Would it work? Oh and I do have A SS Nr. so I am 1/2 way IN........ Jonny..... can I? PLS........ ;) |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by MJ on May 17th, 2006, 12:29pm Answers are not easy. Especially when it comes to mexican immigrants. Some facts. If assuming all illegals are of mexico. 10-12 million is equal to allmost 10% of the entire population of Mexico. per capita income in mexico is equal to around 20% of that in the U.S. unemployment in the southern mexican states runs close to 36% Some views. Very few U.S employers pay less than minimum wage to the immigrants. Thats many times the wages back home if there were any to be made. I think the national guard on the border is a good idea. Good luck I am hesitant to post this but I have a confession. Understand this was 16 years ago and If I wanted to stay in biz I didnt have many choices either. Up untill about 1990 I employed many illegal aliens in another state. Once the company was fined a total of 200$ and the gov. took away many of my employees and sent them back to mexico free of charge. This was on a thursday afternoon. Monday morning at 7 am most of them were back and ready to work. If ever the immigrants wanted to go home for a holiday and needed a ride, they just hitched a free ride with immigration to the border. The reason I used the undocumented workers. At the time was a contractor providing commercial property services. From construction and tenant improvements to landscaping. Many clients were government organizations. During the S&L crisis of the 80s we were one of the go to guys for the repo properties in the southwest. for the upkeep, security, renovations etc.. When seeking employees I used to have great difficulty finding people to do manual labor even though I would pay up to 12 an hour, an acceptable wage at that time. turnover rates were well over 400%, simply because many U.S. citizens did not want to do that kind of work. If I ran an ad for help sometimes I would recieve no responses at all. One day I mentioned to a tenant of mine that I could use a litle help. The next morning at 4:30 am ( I dont even get up before 6) there were about 25 able bodied males outside my home waiting and wanting to go to work and we desperately needed help. I tried a couple out and the work was good. From that day on for the next 8 years I never again lacked employees, I never asked about papers, just S.S. numbers and allways they had them. If I needed 50 employees for a particular job for a week I had them next day. If another contractor needed to say frame or sheetrock or gut a building or catch up in a day, no problem we provided. Our responses looked like that show where they say move that bus. Most of my customers were major builders, Banks, S&Ls, Insurance companies, and large property mngmnt companies. Average age of employees were 30-40 yrs, Employed engineers, doctors, veterinarians, business people, the cream of the immigrant crop all doing manual labor. Wages ranged from 8-12$ per hour. In mexico at that time professional wages were around 8 dollars a day up to30 dollars a month. In that time never had a major accident or work loss injury. Once gained a contract to renovate a major circus train. I knew nothing about it really. But asked my people and found I had a former engineer from the mexican railroad working for me, we got the job done and shared in the profits I wont say it was right but it is what was done. I no longer do that. I also think a solution is desperately needed. That of course is why I have my views. Fining an employer does nothing, its a cost of doing business. Sealing the borders will do nothing they get back, its like trying to eradicate a mound of fire ants. Wages are irrelevant as most quality employers are willing to pay for quality work. Shipping them back does nothing, its a free holiday home. Its a tricky subject because like I used to be there are another million U.S. citizen companies filling the needs of you and I with willing and able illegal workers filling the jobs many of this country wont take. The U.S. companies moving manufacturing ops to mexico are just making the situation worse paying lower and lower wages driving more over the border. Peso is around 10.6 to the dollar I have to wonder if the dollar were 10 to 1 peso would I go to mexico to work. Maybe I think we need to ask the illegal immigrants why they come and what would stop them from coming as none of us totally understand there motivations. Capitalism will allways capitalize no matter what so how can we stop something we need. That is willing and able workers. I really am on the side of finding a solution now but most solutions offered have no merit at all when the finer details are looked at. The national guard may be a possible deterent but when most of the citizen peoples along the border are of mexican decent how do you know who belongs and who doesnt. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Melissa on May 17th, 2006, 12:44pm I just wanted to say, excellent post MJ. and to what deltadarlin said: Quote:
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by floridian on May 17th, 2006, 1:08pm on 05/17/06 at 12:44:51, Melissa wrote:
Hell must be freezin over, because I am disagreeing with Jonny about the president - and it's me that is defending Bush. I agree with Mel on not finding a perfect plan. I don't like everything in Bush's 'plan' - for example, assigning the guard to do two week shifts, when the border patrol has been cut over the past few years. I would have gone more to fight the economic causes - fine people more than $200 for employing undocumented workers, throw them in jail. I think he is too generous to big business and their desire for cheap labor. But Bush's plan is a compromise - it does call for improving border security, creating tamperproof ID cards for alien workers, increasing penalties against employers somewhat, and establishing a new system for regulating guest workers. Not likely to please everyone (maybe hardly any one). |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by deltadarlin on May 17th, 2006, 1:08pm And the debate rages on ::). I really don't thing ANYTHING that ANYONE does is going to please everybody or perhaps even NOBODY. Thanks' mel. I also was led to believe that even after the immigrant and fulfilled all the requirements, they could still be turned down for citizenship (and that is not a concept that I'm sure I'd agree with either~if a person has done everything they were supposed to do, caused no problems and broken no laws, then they should be granted citizenship). The socioeconomic impact of deporting 10 million people would be devastating. A scholarly response http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/520538/ Some excerpts: RANDALL MCGUIRE, professor of anthropology at BINGHAMTON UNIVERSITY, STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK, has spent over 25 years conducting research on the Mexico and Arizona border, and has recently spent three months in the Mexican village Altar, Sonora, the current epicenter for illegal border crossing into the United States: "The border figures prominently in the current debates over immigration to the United States. Some people think that stopping entrants at the border will resolve the problem of illegal immigration. It is not practical to stop all illegal crossings, and punitive attempts to do so will only increase human suffering. The solutions to the problems of illegal immigration lie in the workplaces of the United States and Mexico, not on the border." P.K. KANNAN, Safeway Fellow and Harvey Sanders associate professor of marketing at the UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND's Robert H. Smith School of Business: "A lack of immigrant workers will negatively impact the service sector and economy. Service by immigrant workers is the reverse of outsourcing in the sense that, for low-value-added service jobs that cannot be outsourced, immigrant workers are brought into the United States for cost containment. Not having this service can lead to spiraling costs in almost all industries and have a negative impact on the economy NICOLE SIMPSON, assistant professor of economics at COLGATE UNIVERSITY, recently found that immigrants who have spent time in the U.S. prior to obtaining permanent legal status, known as adjustments, are of higher skill levels than those who enter directly from their home country: "This just shows that the proposals to provide amnesty to some illegal immigrants will benefit the economy. Since these people have acquired specific skills and training during their time in the country, they will quickly be able to earn decent wages and pay taxes as legal citizens and members of the American labor force. If they leave, the economy will undoubtedly suffer." BENJAMIN POWELL, economist and senior fellow at the INDEPENDENT INSTITUTE: "None of the proposed reform bills in either the House or Senate will completely fix our illegal immigration problems. The 11 million illegal migrants currently in the U.S. perform jobs crucial to our economy, and any reform that forces these workers to leave the U.S., permanently or temporarily, will hurt our employers, consumers, economy and those who are deported. Increasing border security alone will simply cause migrants to resort to more extreme measures. Successful reforms must provide a legal avenue for workers to come here DR. VIRGINIA BENMAMAN, director of the MA program in Bilingual Legal Interpreting at COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON: "Several portions of the legislation are tenable and provide a rational manner in dealing with this issue. Offering amnesty in 1987 did not solve the problem. Providing work temporary work permits, and offering those currently in the U.S. the opportunity to receive legal residence, is a rational way to approach a solution. The social and economic benefits of this approach far outweigh the negative arguments we hear." And so it goes. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by deltadarlin on May 17th, 2006, 1:12pm Another thought. In regards to jobs being taken that should be going to Americans, there is the idea that positions would be offered to citizens first and then if there were no takers, then it would be open to immigrants. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Sandy_C on May 17th, 2006, 3:53pm First priority is to seal the borders, in any way, method, or manner possible. If that means using National Guard to back up Border Patrol, so be it. I don't like, but what else have we got, vigilante groups? Once borders are sealed, then do what Karma said. All illegals within our borders must report and apply for legal visas, work permits, whatever. They have a specified time limit in which to do this, otherwise, they are deported, along with their US born children, so be it. All employers of illegals are subject to MASSIVE fines, and jail time. If their business go under, so be it. All food stamps, free housing, free medical care stops immediately unless the person can PROVE they are in this country legally. So be it. This goes not just for Mexico, but for anyone entering this country for any purpose. In other words, EVERYONE, including you and me, should be prepared to prove legal residency in this country at any time. Is that fair to legal US citizens, probably not, but it's the price we will have to pay in order to take back control of our borders. And, yes, Jonny, Bush is exactly what you called him. Sandy |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by _Lee_ on May 17th, 2006, 4:06pm Well go to Mexico, there are Federals everywhere, so we have to explain to Fox what were doing while his thugs stop tourists buses with locked and loaded machine guns? I am loosing my compassion for the Mexicans, albeit there leaders fault. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Sandy_C on May 17th, 2006, 4:28pm I just came back from Mexico last Friday. No Federales. I just had to prove my American citizenship, tell them why I was there and how long I planned to stay. I was given a visitors visa and had a lovely time. They knew when I arrived and when I was supposed to depart. If I had not shown up for my flight out, they would have known it and hunted me down. What's the problem with our country doing that? If I had gone there to live and work, it would have been a different story. How many illegals are coming in to this country saying they are "on vacation", and then stay forever? Sandy |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by fubar on May 17th, 2006, 4:41pm Bush's plan does not include amnesty of any kind. Once again, the Bush-hating media is only reporting this like we are debating an amnesty program, and that's not the debate. The debate is real, but it's about securing our country, physically and economically. Personally, I'd love to see the US enforce the laws that are on the books already. The problem is, they are not even close to being geared up enough to process all of the illegals even if that was their goal. We don't have enough border patrol. We don't have rational immigration policies or the people to process the ones who try to go through the process legally. We have to face the music and FUND the processes we have in place. Everybody wants their cake and they want to eat it too. Nobody is willing to pony up the dollars it takes to face this problem on all fronts. -Shawn |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2006, 4:45pm Senate Okays Building Fence Along US-Mexican Border (CNSNews.com) - In a vote of 83 to 16, the U.S. Senate Wednesday voted to build a 370-mile triple-layer fence along the U.S.-Mexican border as a way to combat the illegal immigration problem, according to the Associated Press. The Senate also approved an amendment that would prevent illegal aliens with a criminal background from becoming legal residents or U.S. citizens, Reuters reports. Meanwhile, speaking on Fox News Wednesday morning, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) said he's disappointed the proposal to delay the guest worker program failed: He said the United States must stop the "hemorrhaging" at the Mexican border before addressing other immigration issues, such as guest worker programs. Frist also said the United States must crack down on employers, imposing "very stiff fines" on those who hire illegal aliens. Until that happens, Mexicans will continue coming here for jobs, he said. Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) is giving President Bush credit for persuading Republicans to support a bill that includes both a guest worker program and border security, the Washington Times reported. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2006, 5:23pm javascript:popUp('http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/mexico_migrants/index.html?SITE=AP') |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by unsolved1 on May 17th, 2006, 5:54pm "Mexicans dismiss U.S. plans to send National Guard troops to the border as a futile effort that will only fuel the booming drug- and migrant-smuggling industry." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060517/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_us_immigration |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2006, 6:06pm "In many areas, the border isn't clearly marked, especially in remote stretches of desert from New Mexico to California where many migrants cross." It would be clearly marked when the bullet meets the head if I was running this shit ;;D |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Bob P on May 17th, 2006, 6:42pm Truthfully, I think this whole border thing is a bunch of crap! Them beaners have been coming over the border to do our grunt work for many years. Never any problems. Now that they are taking after NOW and the NAACP and shouting how they want equality, they've brought this whole round 'em up thingy on themselves. Give me back the good old days of firecraker smuggling and watching the mule at the Blue Fox (well it was really a donkey but I said mule for Jonny's sake). |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2006, 6:52pm on 05/17/06 at 18:42:38, Bob P wrote:
And I appreciate that! ;;D http://www.filecabi.net/video/amazing-racist-mexicans-2.html |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 17th, 2006, 7:30pm on 05/16/06 at 21:26:45, Jonny wrote:
You liberal, terrorist lovin, Saddam sympathist, tree huggin, socialist, commie, anti-American fucker!!! You are just emboldening the terrorists and helping the enemy, with your America hating bullshit. Now apologize to the president for blaming him for what Clinton is doing. It's all Clinton's fault. [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] Long Live El Presidente!!!! We don need no stinking badges!!!!! B$ |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2006, 7:40pm After Monday night, I would love to know just who wears the blue dress when Bush and Fox get together! |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2006, 9:56pm Heres a thought. If all these Mexicans are going to go to the back of the line for citizenship....why are they still in this country (collecting benifits) when all the folks that applied legally are still in other countries collecting jack shit? Ponder that shit! Goodnight. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Charlie on May 17th, 2006, 11:21pm The National Guard thing is more symbolic than a deterrent. The force as deployed is too small, undermanned, and underequipped because of cutbacks. Pretty sad. Also, something like Kent State is bound to make headlines eventually. Nobody tunes in the news to hear about good deeds anyway. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Dragnlance on May 17th, 2006, 11:26pm Jonny, I am forced to agree with you. A criminal is a criminal. What part of Illegal Alien is not sinking in? Get rid of them. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by chewy on May 18th, 2006, 8:03am Lets put a bounty on illegals. Make good TV anyway. http://www.needcoffee.com/html/recommend/images/dog.jpg |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by rickyshot on May 18th, 2006, 8:48am I have always hated politrics yes trics and I have always said that politicians have no loyalty except to themselves and getting reelcted. Bush or anyone else have no real platforms. They are all intersted in bribes, money, power, reelection or all of the above. There are millions of Hispanic voters out there. You better believe the government will kow tow to them. It is not about right or wrong or crimanals or illegal aliens or about our economy. It is about THEIR being in power, reelected, their personal economy etc. When will people get it? Talking about governent and morals is an oxymoron. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Big Dan on May 18th, 2006, 10:25am Here's the answer, you tell me the question... ... "Flaming river of gasoline". -Big Dan |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by maffumatt on May 18th, 2006, 11:45am http://www.spectrumz.com/z/images/bush_flips_off_US.jpg] |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BarbaraD on May 18th, 2006, 3:45pm on 05/18/06 at 11:45:41, maffumatt wrote:
so what's new??? He's been saying that for over six years..... |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by stevegeebe on May 18th, 2006, 4:02pm Folks,...the United States of America is changing before our eyes, in so many ways. Oil, immigration (into the Northern Hemisphere), National Debt, and on and on...... The world is in transition and the days ahead depend on us, as a species, to educate ourselves as to what is obvious. This history of this past century will make for intence stories aroung the fire. Steve G |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by john_d on May 18th, 2006, 5:17pm If you don't know here are the specifics of the compromised bill... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/immigration_glance;_ylt=Ane6GZ9m9LXcrg9pG9ueUtcDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBhcmljNmVhBHNlYwNtcm5ld3M- I found it helpful. The part that is muddy to me is how they are going to know how long immigrants have been here. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 18th, 2006, 5:31pm on 05/18/06 at 17:17:55, john_d wrote:
Not to mention how much they have made so they can pay back taxes/plus penalties. Do any of us get to skip that part just cause we live here?.....NOT!!!! |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Charlie on May 18th, 2006, 6:33pm Steve is right. The world is changing. Either it's been catching up to us or we to it. Nothing like a 370 mile fence. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/imhard.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by chewy on May 18th, 2006, 9:29pm I work with a guy who emigrated from Russia 6 years ago. Went to work for us the same year he arrived. Couldn't find a better family man, worker, or human being. Today he was notified that on June 23 he will take his oath of citizenship at the Hynes Auditorium in Boston. He was so proud he insisted on buying everybody lunch. My entire staff will be getting the day off to attend. I will have the company purchase a table for us and one for his family. Amnesty for illegals? I should just walk over to my co-worker and slap him in the face. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BobG on May 19th, 2006, 1:49am on 05/18/06 at 21:29:48, chewy wrote:
I'll bet, that if the citizenship test was posted right here right now, nobody here could pass it. Best of luck to your friend. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BarbaraD on May 19th, 2006, 5:50am But he did it the legal way Don... The way it SHOULD be done. My congrats to him. My best friend's dad was an immigrant from Czechosolvia (and I never could spell it). He went thru immigration and naturalization and was a good citizen of the US and paid his taxes. He was LEGAL and proud of his citizenship. I don't have a problem with people doing things the LEGAL way - it's just the ILLEGAL ones I have the problem with. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by chewy on May 19th, 2006, 7:16am Quote:
Exactly! Thats why supporting any type of amnesty by any other name is a slap in the face to him. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by karma on May 19th, 2006, 7:30am Quote:
From CNN: "On Thursday, the Senate passed an amendment to its immigration reform bill that would make it easier for guest workers to apply for permanent residency. It would allow immigrants who have worked in the country for four years to petition for permanent residency and acquire a green card. The amendment would apply to illegal immigrants who entered the country before April 2001. They could move toward eventual citizenship by paying $2,000 in fines and any back taxes they owe, undergoing a background check, working for at least six more years and learning English. They would also have to wait in line behind people who applied to legally emigrate." Two different processes, Green Card and Citizenship. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by chewy on May 19th, 2006, 7:34am Quote:
And how would that amount be determined? Illegals are paid under the table. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by maffumatt on May 19th, 2006, 8:16am well I heard this morning the house passed a bill to pay them SS benifits on their illegal income while using their fake SS card. I wonder if there will be any left for me.......... |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Donna_D. on May 19th, 2006, 8:27am on 05/19/06 at 01:49:27, BobG wrote:
INS Citizenship Test Questions The Immigration and Naturalization Service administers a test to all immigrants applying for citizenship. For years, these questions have been selected from among the following list of 100. How would you do? Many, you will find simple. Others are not so easy. In all cases, the answer INS wants to hear is given. 1. What are the colors of our flag? 2. How many stars are there in our flag? 3. What color are the stars on our flag? 4. What do the stars on the flag mean? 5. How many stripes are there in the flag? 6. What color are the stripes? 7. What do the stripes on the flag mean? 8. How many states are there in the Union? 9. What is the 4th of July? 10. What is the date of Independence Day? 11. Independence from whom? 12. What country did we fight during the Revolutionary War? 13. Who was the first President of the United States? 14. Who is the President of the United States today? 15. Who is the vice-president of the United States today? 16. Who elects the President of the United States? 17. Who becomes President of the United States if the President should die? 18. For how long do we elect the President? 19. What is the Constitution? 20. Can the Constitution be changed? 21. What do we call a change to the Constitution? 22. How many changes or amendments are there to the Constitution? 23. How many branches are there in our government? 24. What are the three branches of our government? 25. What is the legislative branch of our government? 26. Who makes the laws in the United States? 27. What is the Congress? 28. What are the duties of Congress? 29. Who elects the Congress? 30. How many senators are there in Congress? 31. Can you name the two senators from your state? 32. For how long do we elect each senator? 33. How many representatives are there in Congress? 34. For how long do we elect the representatives? 35. What is the executive branch of our government? 36. What is the judiciary branch of our government? 37. What are the duties of the Supreme Court? 38. What is the supreme court law of the United States? 39. What is the Bill of Rights? 40. What is the capital of your state? 41. Who is the current governor of your state? 42. Who becomes President of the United States if the President and the vice-president should die? 43. Who is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? 44. Can you name thirteen original states? 45. Who said, "Give me liberty or give me death."? 46. Which countries were our enemies during World War II? 47. What are the 49th and 50th states of the Union? 48. How many terms can the President serve? 49. Who was Martin Luther King, Jr.? 50. Who is the head of your local government? |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Donna_D. on May 19th, 2006, 8:28am 51. According to the Constitution, a person must meet certain requirements in order to be eligible to become President. Name one of these requirements. 52. Why are there 100 Senators in the Senate? 53. Who selects the Supreme Court justice? 54. How many Supreme Court justice are there? 55. Why did the Pilgrims come to America? 56. What is the head executive of a state government called? 57. What is the head executive of a city government called? 58. What holiday was celebrated for the first time by the Americans colonists? 59. Who was the main writer of the Declaration of Independence? 60. When was the Declaration of Independence adopted? 61. What is the basic belief of the Declaration of Independence? 62. What is the national anthem of the United States? 63. Who wrote the Star-Spangled Banner? 64. Where does freedom of speech come from? 65. What is a minimum voting age in the United States? 66. Who signs bills into law? 67. What is the highest court in the United States? 68. Who was the President during the Civil War? 69. What did the Emancipation Declaration do? 70. What special group advises the President? 71. Which President is called the "Father of our country"? 72. What Immigration and Naturalization Service form is used to apply to become a naturalized citizen? 73. Who helped the Pilgrims in America? 74. What is the name of the ship that brought the Pilgrims to America? 75. What are the 13 original states of the U.S. called? 76. Name 3 rights of freedom guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. 77. Who has the power to declare the war? 78. What kind of government does the United States have? 79. Which President freed the slaves? 80. In what year was the Constitution written? 81. What are the first 10 amendments to the Constitution called? 82. Name one purpose of the United Nations? 83. Where does Congress meet? 84. Whose rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? 85. What is the introduction to the Constitution called? 86. Name one benefit of being citizen of the United States. 87. What is the most important right granted to U.S. citizens? 88. What is the United States Capitol? 89. What is the White House? 90. Where is the White House located? 91. What is the name of the President's official home? 92. Name the right guaranteed by the first amendment. 93. Who is the Commander in Chief of the U.S. military? 94. Which President was the first Commander in Chief of the U.S. military? 95. In what month do we vote for the President? 96. In what month is the new President inaugurated? 97. How many times may a Senator be re-elected? 98. How many times may a Congressman be re-elected? 99. What are the 2 major political parties in the U.S. today? 100. How many states are there in the United States today? http://usgovinfo.about.com/blinstst.htm |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by chewy on May 19th, 2006, 8:37am Quote:
On a border that is 1,951 miles long. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by karma on May 19th, 2006, 8:41am Quote:
I would be up to the applicant to prove they have been here for four years. This means payslips, rent bills, utility bills etc. I would imagine that youwould ahve to prove how youwere paying for stuff w/o a job No proof = NO |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by chewy on May 19th, 2006, 8:44am 89/100 on the citizenship test. What # of correct answers are required to pass? |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by catlind on May 19th, 2006, 8:46am on 05/19/06 at 01:49:27, BobG wrote:
I could. I've studied it over and over. Just waiting to have and extra $1000 or so to actually fill in the paperwork so I can take the test in a year or two when they get through the applications. Cat as a side note, don't forget the Federated States of Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands, paulau, virgin islands and Guam. None states but all considered so by the US postal system. And some interesting reading for anyone interested in taking the test: http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/OIG_05-25_Jun05.pdf Remember, Immigration and Naturalization Service doesn't exist anymore, it's now Homeland Security, I've had to visit them a few times since the change. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by catlind on May 19th, 2006, 9:46am As a side note: Quote:
Taken directly from U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement at http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/newsrels/citizentest_031303.htm |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Donna_D. on May 19th, 2006, 10:20am on 05/19/06 at 08:44:35, chewy wrote:
From what I can find, applicants are typically asked between 10-15 of the listed questions and must correctly answer approximately 58% of them. :-/ DD |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by chewy on May 19th, 2006, 1:45pm Quote:
I dont agree but it wopuld depend on the questions asked. If I were asked 10 random questions they could have been the all of the ones I missed. If that were to happen then I'll see you in Tijuana. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Bob P on May 19th, 2006, 1:47pm How did the "secure the border so terrorists can't sneak in" gripe turn into "kick out all the Mexicans"? |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BarbaraD on May 19th, 2006, 3:23pm Well, Bob, it's just like sitting in the living room -- one topic led to another and here we are... everyone with a different opinion. No telling where we'll be tomorrow... [smiley=huh.gif] Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BobG on May 19th, 2006, 3:31pm on 05/19/06 at 13:47:43, Bob P wrote:
Not all of them, Bob. Jeb Bush's ol' lady gets to stay. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Melissa on May 19th, 2006, 3:38pm on 05/19/06 at 15:23:20, BarbaraD wrote:
I know, I know! It'll be a debate on whether Mars is inhabitable or not. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by tanner on May 19th, 2006, 3:42pm 95 out of 100 and one of those was my own local leaders name :-[ ....tim |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 19th, 2006, 3:44pm http://www.wrko.com/poll.asp |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BobG on May 19th, 2006, 3:46pm on 05/19/06 at 13:45:25, chewy wrote:
LMAO [smiley=laugh.gif] Mr. Fatfingers. Hope there's no spelling questions on the test. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by tanner on May 19th, 2006, 3:47pm any chance those 2% speak spanish? ;;D ......tim |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by aprilbee on May 19th, 2006, 3:53pm on 05/19/06 at 15:47:05, tanner wrote:
huh, no shit... ;) |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by BobG on May 19th, 2006, 3:55pm Jonny...don't know how or why anyone would be dumb enough to answer yes to that question but 2% did. The 2% was probably Jesus Hector Jaun-Pedro and Rosatrita Margetita Sanchez Hernandez-Gonzales Smith. |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by aprilbee on May 19th, 2006, 3:59pm on 05/19/06 at 15:55:42, BobG wrote:
[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] You hit the nail on the head w/that one.... |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by brewcrew on May 19th, 2006, 4:17pm on 05/16/06 at 22:46:41, Lizzie2 wrote:
But for very, very different reasons. You because, perhaps, you think he's too unfeeling, uncaring, too conservative. For them, he's a RINO (Republican In Name Only). In my mind, conservatism occupies no part of the Bush psyche. Populism, yes. If you want to call that common ground, have at it. ;) |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Sandy_C on May 19th, 2006, 4:45pm on 05/19/06 at 13:47:43, Bob P wrote:
Not in my mind, Bob. Secure the borders means "secure the borders" so no more illegals can enter, whether from Mexico, Canada, or anywhere, without proper entry papers. Secure the borders does not mean kick out all the Mexicans. If Mexicans, or Cubans, or Italians, or Germans, or, Australians, or anyone from anywhere are in this country ILlegally, then they had better be prepared to show why they should remain here or be deported. What's so hard about that? What is it about "illegal" that you don't understand? Sandy |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by Jonny on May 22nd, 2006, 4:41pm -- The bill supposedly would protect American workers by ensuring that new immigrants would not take away jobs. However, the bill's definition of "United States Worker" includes temporary foreign guest workers, so the protection is meaningless. -- The bill extends the Davis-Bacon Act's requirement for the payment of "prevailing wage" levels to all temporary guest workers. That puts them ahead of American workers, who have this protection only on federal job sites. -- Foreign guest farm workers, admitted under the bill, cannot be "terminated from employment by any employer . . . except for just cause." In contrast, American ag workers can be fired for any reason. http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/robertnovak/2006/05/22/198245.html |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by maffumatt on May 22nd, 2006, 5:16pm it makes me all warm and tingely inside knowing that "guest workers" are protected........... |
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Title: Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it..... Post by medic1852 on May 22nd, 2006, 5:30pm Maybe we need to make unions strong again. Make old fashion picket lines with axe handles really wanting people to cross it. Rodger |
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