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(Message started by: pfunk on May 10th, 2006, 12:21am)
Title: Baseball Fans???
Post by pfunk on May 10th, 2006, 12:21am
Just curious?  I pose this question as I am watching ESPN and they keep cutting in every time Barry Bonds comes to the plate.  And you Bo-Sox fans put aside your hatred for The Babe for just this once.  Should we really be celebrating this guy moving into 2nd place on the homerun list?  I say NO!  Yes, 714 is a huge accomplishment. But, it still is only 2nd place.  Because I am a baseball fanatic, I say show me 756 & 757; then I might(emphasis on might) celebrate his accomplishment.  Given his recent situation and chemically enhanced allegations I think the * next his name may be well deserved. MY  [smiley=twocents.gif].  Just wondering what some others might think, seeing that there is a huge debate about this issue tearing through the sports world right now.

Pfunk ;) 8)
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by FramCire on May 10th, 2006, 12:32am
They celebrated when he overtook 3rd, why not 2nd.

As for the "aaligations", baseball is full of cheating.  The foollowing are just some ways that MLB has had cheating since it's begining:

1. MLB itself.  
a. Lowering and raising the mound to help pitchers and hitters.
b. Baseballs with different characteristics that help the ball fly out of the park when the league needed a boost.
c.  not allowing black players for many years

2. Individual teams
a.  Raising fences
b.  Moving fences
c.  talking to players they aren't allow to talk to before they are FAs

3.  Pitchers
a. steroids
b. putting things on the ball to change how it moves
c. scuffing the ball
d. uppers
e. steroids

4. Hitters
a. pine tar
b. corked bats
c. uppers
d. roids

5.  fielders
a. uppers
b. roids
c.  phantom tags
d. "proximity" rule at 2B


See, baseball has had many shady dealings (don't forget multiple gambling issues) and cheating (legal and illegal) since the begining of the league.  Whether Bonds cheated or not, I would bet most records and HOF resumes were helped by cheating in 1 way or another.

In my eyes, the league has turned a blind eye to it all so why use the * because it should be used most of the time probably.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by cekelle on May 10th, 2006, 12:37am
Everyone loves to hate a winner, and unfortunately he has accomplished quite a goal by allegedly using drugs as an aide whether legal or not.  He may have been chemically enhanced during some of those games, but in this day and age, unfortunately many who go unnoticed are also doing the same thing to try to become better than the best.  I don't condone it, but he achieved what he has enhanced or not.  Just some food for thought.  I really don't care for the man one way or another, and I'm not trying to stick up for him.    

I'm just a Cardinals fan at heart.  Go Cards!   [smiley=headbanger.gif]
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by pfunk on May 10th, 2006, 1:08am
Cool this is the kind of discussion I like.  Yes, baseball has had cheating in one form or another since the beginning.  But, how many actually went in front of a grand jury, lyed to the grand jury and never got so much as a slap on the wrist for doing it?  Not looking for heated arguments, just friendly conversation on these.  Because I am in the Phys. Ed. field, topics like this can be very useful/helpful in my classwork and research.  Thanks.  

Pfunk

P.S. I'm not saying don't celebrate at all but I don't think a Ticker-tape parade is appropriate until maybe he passes "Hammerin' Hank".
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by FramCire on May 10th, 2006, 8:45am

on 05/10/06 at 01:08:45, pfunk wrote:
Cool this is the kind of discussion I like.  Yes, baseball has had cheating in one form or another since the beginning.  But, how many actually went in front of a grand jury, lyed to the grand jury and never got so much as a slap on the wrist for doing it?  Not looking for heated arguments, just friendly conversation on these.  Because I am in the Phys. Ed. field, topics like this can be very useful/helpful in my classwork and research.  Thanks.  

Pfunk

P.S. I'm not saying don't celebrate at all but I don't think a Ticker-tape parade is appropriate until maybe he passes "Hammerin' Hank".


1.  We don't know what he said to the Grand Jury since his testimony should be sealed.  What has been reported may be accurate but since it is sealed, how can you trust someone who breaks that seal?

2.  We don't know what he said was a lie.  

3.  The government IS investigating whether Bonds lied or not.  If he is found to have lied, they probably WILL bring charges.

4.  Why is he being called to task when there are tons of players (and ex-players) who have used, tested positive, or admitted to it.

Just some friendly food for thought.  I am not a Bonds fan, I just wonder why he is treated this way when guys like Big Mac had andro (which is now banned) sitting in his locker when he gave interviews and his testimony to congress pretty much was admitting he took roids too.

Anyway, I hope Bonds ties Aaron and then retires saying he refuses to break the record.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by Tom K on May 10th, 2006, 8:45am
I'll give you the cheating, Fram, but I still don't think it warrants all the big hubbub.  Especially since he isn't planning on going after Hank.  His whole thing, until very, very recently, has been to "Knock that white fat guy out of second", his words, not mine.  IMHO, Barry doesn't have any respect for the game, it's history, or himself.  He can try to dress up his image with his whole, self-produced, Bonds on Bonds, but when you boil it all down, he is still a biggoted asshat...
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by FramCire on May 10th, 2006, 8:52am

on 05/10/06 at 08:45:41, Tom K wrote:
I'll give you the cheating, Fram, but I still don't think it warrants all the big hubbub.  Especially since he isn't planning on going after Hank.  His whole thing, until very, very recently, has been to "Knock that white fat guy out of second", his words, not mine.  IMHO, Barry doesn't have any respect for the game, it's history, or himself.  He can try to dress up his image with his whole, self-produced, Bonds on Bonds, but when you boil it all down, he is still a biggoted asshat...



Why did Bonds agent say that he expects Bond to play NEXT year if he isn't going after the record?

Why do you say he doesn't have respect for the game of baseball?  Because he doesn't show respect to Ruth who was not exactly a guy who earned it off the field?

Is he biggoted?  Yes.  (his father taught him that because of how he was treated)  However, did you notice that Bonds was called out by the media because he didn't autograph the ball (713 I think) he hit in Philly.  Then the press went off about how he was a serviceman and Bonds should have signed it.

Now, the rest of the story:  Bonds took the time to pose for a photo with the guy.  When the photo was done, the guy FORGOT to ask him to sign the ball and Bonds had to take off.  The guy (on ESPN) said he cared only about getting the photo and he forgot to ask.

So, do you see why Barry might be a little jaded?  Even when he does the right thing, the press finds a way to make himout to be the bad guy.

Again, I am no Bonds fan but I think while you talk about Bonds dressing his image, you have to remember that Bond's current image was dressed by a not so friendly media.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by clarence on May 10th, 2006, 9:21am
To say that Bonds using steroids (if he did) is alright, because there is all kinds of other cheating in baseball, seems a little off.  

But then again, the biggest story baseball hasn't even been addressed on this thread:

Red Sox 14 Yankees 3

Now that's what I call news! - Take that Potter!

Yankees Suck,
Casey
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by Tom K on May 10th, 2006, 9:29am
Ruth was a jerkass off the field, and that doesn't allevate him from inspection.  On the field, the guy did twice as much in a shorter amount of time, and pitched in 163 games, with 107 of those being complete games.  17 of those were shutouts and he had an ERA of 2.88.  Pretty impressive for a home run hitter.  Yes, those were different times, but they were also the time of the "dead" ball.  Plus, he wasn't covered in the armor that the guys wear today.  Not calling Barry out on the armor because so many are doing the same thing.  What I would like to see is someone like Gibson pitch against Barry.  Then we would see, not only how well the armor does, but just how bad his elbow is...
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by fubar on May 10th, 2006, 12:22pm
I can prove that Barry hit 713 HR so far.

Can YOU prove he took steroids?

Ever since Barry blew off Sports Illustrated's mightier-than-God reporter many years ago, which resulted in a complete hatchet job that the whole media has taken as gospel (Barry is an a-hole, Barry can't get along with anybody, Barry grinds up small children in his protein shakes...) the majority of so-called baseball fans have bought into this BS.  Barry is a good guy.  He is on a pedestal and there are so many people who want to knock him off.  If I was Barry, I'd tell all of you to f-off.  His aloof posture is a product of his treatment in the press and by moronic people who can't stand to see his success.  WTF is wrong with people?
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by kimmiedawn81 on May 10th, 2006, 12:45pm
It is true that you can't prove that he took steroids, but it doesn't make me like him any more.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by mynm156 on May 10th, 2006, 1:03pm

on 05/10/06 at 12:22:28, fubar wrote:
I can prove that Barry hit 713 HR so far.
Can YOU prove he took steroids?
His aloof posture is a product of his treatment in the press and by moronic people who can't stand to see his success.  WTF is wrong with people?

BB is a JERK!  ALWAYS HAS BEEN! To his team mates and his FANS!  Even in Pittsburg.  Just look at how his own team mates have reacted to him over the years.  

As far as ROIDS go.  I doubt that they will prove anything because they will cop a plea and admit nothing.    
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by JDH on May 10th, 2006, 1:07pm

on 05/10/06 at 12:22:28, fubar wrote:
Can YOU prove he took steroids?


Sure, just look at the size of his head!
Also check out the pictures from when he played with Pittsburgh in the '80's and then look at him nowdays, YIKES!
People don't get bigger and stronger as they age unless......
Me thinks you're being awfully naive if you don't think Barroid isn't juiced.

Jim
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by tanner on May 10th, 2006, 1:15pm


Being a life long die hard Cubs fan I care more about the a-hole fan that kept the Cubbies out of the 2003 World Series, and I still want to know why someone hasn't killed the guy yet ;;D



not that i hold grudges or anything 8).....tim
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by fubar on May 10th, 2006, 2:02pm

on 05/10/06 at 13:03:26, mynm156 wrote:
BB is a JERK!  ALWAYS HAS BEEN! To his team mates and his FANS!  Even in Pittsburg.  Just look at how his own team mates have reacted to him over the years.  

As far as ROIDS go.  I doubt that they will prove anything because they will cop a plea and admit nothing.    


Yeah.  Never mind the fact that the whole 'team mate' thing includes a-holes like Jeff Kent, who couldn't stand to share the stage with Barry, broke his own hand f-ing around on a motorcycle (expressly forbid in his contract) then lied about it to make sure he got a paycheck.  Still, people take Jeff's side and assume Barry is an ass.

I've met Barry.  I had batting practice WITH the Giants.  I've talked to many active Giants players and even have spent evenings socializing with Hall of Famer Giants who all love Barry.  All of you Barry-haters are simply feeding from the trough of MEDIA BIAS.  There is no factual basis for this bias.  Barry snubbed SI years ago, and has never granted another interview to them.  Because of this, they have written smear piece after piece, and have never forgiven Barry.  Fine.  What amazes me is the extent to which the public (and most of the rest of the media) believes this crap.

As for Barry's size... I guarantee that NONE of you have ever worked out for one single day as hard as Barry does to maintain his body.  How can I say that?  Because there are probably 3-4 humans on this planet that work at it as hard as he does, and none of them are on this board.

In the end, I don't give a crap about the roids.  Baseball hasn't ever been a bastion of morality, and for Barry to carry the entire burden of the failings of baseball is simply unfair.  Put an asterisk next to his name and you will have to do the same to 90% of the records for some reason or another.  It becomes moot.  He kicked ass and we should be proud of him.  He comes from good family and he puts his family WAY ahead of the game of baseball.  I guess that makes him an a-hole to some fans.  

Some fans cite, as an example of Barry being an a-hole, the fact that he won't give up some of his salary so that the Giants could acquire some talent to push SF into the World Series.  This is one of the cases that illustrates my point.  For Barry to say, give up a few million dollars (at least) means taking it away from his family simply to pursue a ring for himself and the fans.  What would you do?  I'd say 'Screw that, the long term security of my family is more important than any trophy.'.  That's what Barry is doing, and still he is seen as a Jerk for doing it.  I know he would still be seen as a jerk if he did the opposite.

-Shawn
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by Tom K on May 10th, 2006, 2:09pm
OK, maybe you are all right, I'm biased because of what the media has said about Bonds...Fine, I'm biased...But here is a simple fact that cannot be argued....IT'S SECOND PLACE!  woohoo I'm second :-/  When he breaks first place, give me a call, until then he is only going to be #2.

;;D
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by clarence on May 10th, 2006, 2:12pm
Schilling vs. Mussina tonight.  Should be a good one.

Damn TSN (Canadian equivalent of ESPN) - They almost always only show Jays games...

Whole "local market" thing I guess.

Casey
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by FramCire on May 10th, 2006, 2:23pm
1.  Yes, the Yankees suck.  I think we can all agree on that one!  ;)

2.  Please name the teammates that have had a problem with Bonds.  If you mention Kent, you have rebutted your own point.  Kent is well disliked everywhere he plays.

3.  Ruth didn't have people throwing mid to high 90s EVERY DAY.  Maybe that is why he didn't invent the "armor" that the current players wear.

4.  Nobody is saying Bonds is better than Ruth overall.  Why did you give us Ruth's resume?  However, NOBODY in the history of baseball whose name isn't Barry Bonds has hit 400 HRs AND had 400 SBs.  Bonds has 500+ and 500+.  

5. I never said using steroids was alright.  i just said that putting an * next to him and not next to the scores of other cheaters whose records are in the book is foolish.

6.  As for his size.  Nutrition and weight training has made amazing strides since Bonds was young.  He works extremely hard and thus the added size.  Clemens (and MANY others) is also significantly larger now, but noone despises him like they do Bonds.  Until people get accurate head measurements and show that it HAS to be roids, that is also not really proff of anything.

7.  This thread is awesome.  Passionate disagreements in a civil format.  Nice to see it is able to be done somewhere.  If you went to a sports MB, there would be namecalling and such by now.

8.  They celebrated 3rd place with a short interuption.  Why not 2nd?  BE CONSISTANT MLB.

9.  GO RED SOX!
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by Tom K on May 10th, 2006, 2:24pm

on 05/10/06 at 14:12:09, clarence wrote:
Schilling vs. Mussina tonight.  Should be a good one.
...



I saw Shill pitch a gem against the Brewer's a few years back.  17K, 1 hit shutout.  Holy Cow!  ESPN called it the one of the top 5 pitching performances ever.  Watching his curve and splitter from behind home plate was absolutly amazing!  
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by pfunk on May 10th, 2006, 2:33pm

on 05/10/06 at 14:02:49, fubar wrote:
Some fans cite, as an example of Barry being an a-hole, the fact that he won't give up some of his salary so that the Giants could acquire some talent to push SF into the World Series.  This is one of the cases that illustrates my point.  For Barry to say, give up a few million dollars (at least) means taking it away from his family simply to pursue a ring for himself and the fans.  What would you do?  I'd say 'Screw that, the long term security of my family is more important than any trophy.'.  That's what Barry is doing, and still he is seen as a Jerk for doing it.  I know he would still be seen as a jerk if he did the opposite.

-Shawn

I really don't think Barry's family has anything to worry about in the security area.  I mean the man has played for 19+ years and made God knows how many millions.  If he's playing only for himself and the "security of his family that only goes to support the ideas that he has no respect for the game.  Any player who says they don't care about winning rings is either lying or selfish and disrespecting the game.  I don't really have anything against Bonds but still I say, second is second and until I see 757, I'm not celebrating with or for him.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by pfunk on May 10th, 2006, 2:43pm
One other thing I want to say as I am watching St. Louis play Colorado.  I say we stop watching Bonds and pay attention to the Hall of Famer in-the-making, Pujols.  That guy is a bad man.  If he stays healthy, I think he might make a run at all these records and shut us all up.  This comes from a life-long Yankees fan.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by tanner on May 10th, 2006, 2:44pm

And I still say GO CUBBIES

http://www.123posters.com/images/sports/s-cubslogo1.gif

And if they remain true to form GO BO SOX....tim
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by JDH on May 10th, 2006, 2:59pm

on 05/10/06 at 14:43:14, pfunk wrote:
One other thing I want to say as I am watching St. Louis play Colorado.  I say we stop watching Bonds and pay attention to the Hall of Famer in-the-making, Pujols.  That guy is a bad man.  If he stays healthy, I think he might make a run at all these records and shut us all up.  This comes from a life-long Yankees fan.


You got that right Pfunk....and sorry to hear about the "lifelong Yankee fan" thing  ;;D When it's all said and done A.P. is going to go down as maybe the best to ever play the game.
I'd like to get into the Barry thing more tonight when I get home from work if ya'll are still going...and btw, this is a great thread!

Jim
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by imnotbub on May 10th, 2006, 3:03pm

on 05/10/06 at 14:23:48, FramCire wrote:
1.  Yes, the Yankees suck.  I think we can all agree on that one!


Speak for yourself, sock man.  Please, a team named after underwear. Only in Boston.

The Yankees. Greatness, win or lose.

Steve
Yankee fan
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by fubar on May 10th, 2006, 3:23pm

on 05/10/06 at 14:33:11, pfunk wrote:
I really don't think Barry's family has anything to worry about in the security area.  I mean the man has played for 19+ years and made God knows how many millions.  If he's playing only for himself and the "security of his family that only goes to support the ideas that he has no respect for the game.  Any player who says they don't care about winning rings is either lying or selfish and disrespecting the game.  I don't really have anything against Bonds but still I say, second is second and until I see 757, I'm not celebrating with or for him.


Barry has never said a ring wasn't important to him.  He says the opposite.  He wants it as bad as anybody else and it's the only thing he is still playing for.  However, if you had to take away $10 million from your family (no matter how much money you had) for the mere opportunity to get one more player who might simply get injured... come on.  How hard of a decision is that?  Not to mention, $10 mil doesn't buy much.  People want multi-year contracts, especially the hot players.  Barry is being as prudent and sensible as any one of us would be in his position.

As for celebrating... hell, why not celebrate a milestone achievement?  It may not be first place yet, but it's more than noteworthy.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by clarence on May 10th, 2006, 3:28pm

on 05/10/06 at 14:43:14, pfunk wrote:
This comes from a life-long Yankees fan.


This thread is about to get UNcivilized!

Casey
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by imnotbub on May 10th, 2006, 3:36pm
This is such a volatile subject. True, more have used steroids than Bonds, jerk? Maybe, but he is certainly not the only one. Do I want him to break the record? No, but I didn't want anybody to break the record, not even Aaron. I would have liked to have seen one stick around for ever. It was indeed a different game then. Is it the black and white films played in high speed? Does this give the old players have a mythical quality? Maybe. It's like the baseball card craze. Back when there was only one, they meant something. Now, there is no sentimentality to them. You don't flip them any more. You put them in plastic and look at them while checking there value in Becket's. Same with todays players. I find very little that is special about the game anymore. I can't even enjoy the ballpark any more. A trip to the stadium to see a game runs in the hundreds of dollars.
I'm rambling........Oh well
Go Yankees, the team that still does not put players names on the unifiorms, because the game is supposed to be bigger than the players.

Steve
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by Charlie on May 10th, 2006, 4:21pm
Go Cubs.
http://www.123posters.com/images/sports/s-cubslogo1.gif

I'll second that.

I like baseball too much. I'm not mad about all the players but this too shall pass. Larry King said that baseball is the perfect game. It's close enough for me.

Go Yankees too. This year, I'm fan. Not all that exciting though.

Charlie
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by kimmiedawn81 on May 10th, 2006, 4:30pm

on 05/10/06 at 14:02:49, fubar wrote:
Yeah.  Never mind the fact that the whole 'team mate' thing includes a-holes like Jeff Kent, who couldn't stand to share the stage with Barry, broke his own hand f-ing around on a motorcycle (expressly forbid in his contract) then lied about it to make sure he got a paycheck.  Still, people take Jeff's side and assume Barry is an ass.

I've met Barry.  I had batting practice WITH the Giants.  I've talked to many active Giants players and even have spent evenings socializing with Hall of Famer Giants who all love Barry.  All of you Barry-haters are simply feeding from the trough of MEDIA BIAS.  There is no factual basis for this bias.  Barry snubbed SI years ago, and has never granted another interview to them.  Because of this, they have written smear piece after piece, and have never forgiven Barry.  Fine.  What amazes me is the extent to which the public (and most of the rest of the media) believes this crap.

As for Barry's size... I guarantee that NONE of you have ever worked out for one single day as hard as Barry does to maintain his body.  How can I say that?  Because there are probably 3-4 humans on this planet that work at it as hard as he does, and none of them are on this board.

In the end, I don't give a crap about the roids.  Baseball hasn't ever been a bastion of morality, and for Barry to carry the entire burden of the failings of baseball is simply unfair.  Put an asterisk next to his name and you will have to do the same to 90% of the records for some reason or another.  It becomes moot.  He kicked ass and we should be proud of him.  He comes from good family and he puts his family WAY ahead of the game of baseball.  I guess that makes him an a-hole to some fans.  

Some fans cite, as an example of Barry being an a-hole, the fact that he won't give up some of his salary so that the Giants could acquire some talent to push SF into the World Series.  This is one of the cases that illustrates my point.  For Barry to say, give up a few million dollars (at least) means taking it away from his family simply to pursue a ring for himself and the fans.  What would you do?  I'd say 'Screw that, the long term security of my family is more important than any trophy.'.  That's what Barry is doing, and still he is seen as a Jerk for doing it.  I know he would still be seen as a jerk if he did the opposite.
-Shawn

Yeah, b/c he is making so little money right now....give me a break.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by clarence on May 10th, 2006, 4:38pm

on 05/10/06 at 15:36:39, imnotbub wrote:
Go Yankees, the team that still does not put players names on the unifiorms, because the game is supposed to be bigger than the players.


The Yankees?  Think that the game is bigger than the players?  Did you just say that?  

[smiley=crackup.gif]

Casey
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by BlueMeanie on May 10th, 2006, 6:06pm
I hope he sticks around long enough to take 1st. If not, 2nd is still kicksass. That Babe guy would never live up to todays baseball. All he ever did was swing as hard as he could. Most times he'd strikeout. Doesn't he have the record for strikeouts or at least close to it. Did he ever even swing at 100MPH fastball ? Yesteryears baseball was like a sandlot compared to today. The only problem I have with Bonds passing Hank is he's gonna do it against the CUBS.  :(
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by FramCire on May 10th, 2006, 6:44pm
1.  The ideal would be Bonds tying the record and retiring right after he touches home plate.

2.  The Yankees are throwbacks in a few ways, the most visible is throw green backs to players at a disgusting rate.

3.  MLB players CAN'T give money back so that they can get other players.  ARod tried to give money back to get traded to a place he WANTED to go and MLBPA wouldn't let it happen.  The critics say Bonds SHOULD TAKE less to be competitive and why should he.  Honestly, the Giants make a ton of money on him and he makes a ton for it.  Without Bonds, the Giants couldn't afford to be competitive.

Anyway, go Red Sox.  
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by jon019 on May 10th, 2006, 7:39pm
[quote author=BlueMeanie link=board=general;num=1147234880;start=25#30 date=05/10/That Babe guy would never live up to todays baseball. All he ever did was swing as hard as he could. Most times he'd strikeout. Doesn't he have the record for strikeouts or at least close to it. Did he ever even swing at 100MPH fastball ?

[/quote]

Blue, You need to Google babe Ruth stats bro'

Slugging avg .690:, #1 all time
Batting average: .342  #10 all time
HR:  714   #2 alltime (averaged 46/yr)
RBI:  frickin averaged 143/yr   #2 all time rbi
Strike outs 86/yr avg (  #78 alltime and less than most of todays "power"  hitters have by July

And a whole mess more!

BTW, ever hear of Walter Johnson? "The Big Train", possibly fastest ever, and he was throwing the same dirty ball inning after inning, cuz they didn't used to change 'em (at least not until Ray Chapman got killed by a beanball)


Oh, and he won 94 games pitching, with a 2.28 era,
fer chrisakes.

Am I a Yankee fan, damn right. Dad born and raised there during murderers row era and he saw 'em live. I got to hear some great stories. Used to watch NBC Yankee game of the week in the 60's with him. Dizzy Dean and Pee Wee Reese. Shell of the great teams of the past but I didn't care.

Since 1967 there is only one team I love more. Heatbreak by the numbers (1967, 1975...) until '04.
If I accomplish only one thing in my life, it is to see a game in Fenway (preferably on top of the green monster in one of those great new seats.

Regards

Jon
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by pfunk on May 10th, 2006, 11:39pm
Sorry to bring this up but the Yanks won 7-3 tonight.  No, it isn't the 14-? spanking they took last night but a win is a win(especially when it against Boston).  
I did notice a few CUBS on this thread.  I go to Wrigley once or twice a year because my brother lives in Chi-town.  I've been to stadiums all over the country an I'd have to say that I have never gone to a Cubs' game and not have a good time.  The fans are nice and diehard.  I have become somewhat of a fan(if I had to choose an NL team) over the past couple of years.  I've got to hand it to all the Cub fans; they are there through thick and thin.  A wise man once said, "The shines on a dogs ass evry once in a while" (as it did in Boston two years ago and on those boys from the Southside last year).  Your time is coming Cubbies.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by fubar on May 10th, 2006, 11:48pm
I have to say, baseball is the most enjoyable sport, period.  I would rather spend a day at the ballpark than almost anything else.  I took my son to see Barry hit 71 and 72 and it was magical.  I was there for #500, #600 and #700.  I'll be there tomorrow when he hits #714 (or #715, either way it's cool).

I had season tickets to the 49ers until this year.  20 years of football, great seats.  However, I'd rather have season tickets to the Giants.  Maybe someday I'll get to see them actually win a World Series.  yeah right.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by pfunk on May 11th, 2006, 12:18am

on 05/10/06 at 18:06:57, BlueMeanie wrote:
The only problem I have with Bonds passing Hank is he's gonna do it against the CUBS.  :(


Doesn't look like that's gonna happen 2nite.  Just popped up, bottom 8th and loosing 8-1.  I know this because ESPN has to cut into whatever you are watching every single time he comes to bat.  I think at this point I just want him to hit it so we can get the weeks of watching it over and over and again over with.  Then, I hope he never hits another one.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by BlueMeanie on May 11th, 2006, 12:32am
Hey Jon, I just like seeing YANKS fans get riled up.  [smiley=laugh.gif]

The Babe was awsome during his time in baseball. I still think Bonds deserves a little credit for his accomplishments regardless of the steroid hoopla.

Go SOX !!!!!!
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by Tom K on May 11th, 2006, 7:52am

on 05/10/06 at 23:39:25, pfunk wrote:
Sorry to bring this up but the Yanks won 7-3 tonight.  No, it isn't the 14-? spanking they took last night but a win is a win(especially when it against Boston).  
I did notice a few CUBS on this thread.  I go to Wrigley once or twice a year because my brother lives in Chi-town.  I've been to stadiums all over the country an I'd have to say that I have never gone to a Cubs' game and not have a good time.  The fans are nice and diehard.  I have become somewhat of a fan(if I had to choose an NL team) over the past couple of years.  I've got to hand it to all the Cub fans; they are there through thick and thin.  A wise man once said, "The shines on a dogs ass evry once in a while" (as it did in Boston two years ago and on those boys from the Southside last year).  Your time is coming Cubbies.



I got lucky enough to get a ticket to Game 1 of the World Series last year, being a life long White Sox fan, it was a dream come true.  After being there, having the team win and the celebration that followed I can honestly say...That...I HOPE THE CUB NEVER WINS!!!  I hate Barry but I hate the Cub more and there would have been nothing finer that seeing Barry hit it off Zambrano!  The only thing better would have been Barry actually hitting the ball off of Zambrano's head and then it flying out of the park for a HR!  99% of the people at a Cub game aren't fans, they think it is another bar on Clark.  You could put cardboard cutouts on the field and they would still be there...give me a break.  The only time I will go to The House of Lies, is if I get a free ticket and the White Sox are playing, which most of the time doesn't happen.  Yankees/BoSox people, think of it as your hatered for eachother, but you are both in the same city.  It is even worse than Mets/Yankees.  Dusty Baker should have been fired after day 2 of his contract because he sucks on ice!  Sheesh...whoa...sorry the Cub thing kinda gets me worked up... 8)
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by chewy on May 11th, 2006, 7:57am
Boston Red Sox vs. New York Yankees.

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Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by karma on May 11th, 2006, 8:14am
If a spotlight on Barry's shiny dome continues to bring attention to the dangers of abusing steriods then I don't have a problem with it.
Steroid use and abuse among high school and even jr. high school athletes is a very serious problem. These kids follow the example of pro athletes and are many times pushed and pushed by both coaches and parents to be the biggest, the fastest and the best at all costs.    
The driven ones and the easily led ones may make poor decisons that can affect there life forever. All for the goal of reaching the fame and fortune that they see on T.V. Most don't make it and some are physically ruined.
Do I care about Barry? Not in the least. Do I care about the message that he sends? You bet.
My oldest son is a jr. in High School and determined to play football at the next level. You bet I worry about steroids. Luckily he is a level headed kid but who knows what can happen.
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by mynm156 on May 11th, 2006, 12:51pm
GEEZE!  I guess there was NO WAY that Barry would be on his BEST at these Dog and Pony Shows you were able to attend and that any team mate would really say much at one of these events. However, Jeff Kent is a PLICK and you are right there IS a HUGE MEDIA wide conspiracy against Barry and lets not forget  OJ while we are at it.   Lets wait and see what happens in the end.  I am sure that all WILL come out.  Though I dont think that CONGRESS needs to be WASTING thier time with BARRY BONDS or any sport!  Lets get GAS Prices back down and our TROOPS home!!!
Title: Re: Baseball Fans???
Post by jon019 on May 11th, 2006, 9:53pm
Hey Blue. Ya got me! Good on ya.

Go Sox, Red that is

Regards

Jon


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