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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Jonny on May 1st, 2006, 7:20pm Theres no arguing with those facts!! [smiley=bigguns.gif] |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by maffumatt on May 1st, 2006, 7:43pm notice how the media never uses the term illegal alien, it is now politaly correct to use the term undocumented immigrant It is lacking both the illegal and the alien terms. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Kris_in_SJ on May 1st, 2006, 7:55pm How pathetic it all is. My best friend's son lives in Houston and he owns 2 waste management companies. Treats his employees very well. Today, 80% of them walked out in support of the "cause." What's really tellling ... he and his wife speak only Spanish at home now so they can become more fluent in the predominant language of Houston. Isn't this backwards? I'm all for diversity, but illegal is illegal, no matter what the "politically corect" term might be. And Houston is still in America - at least the last time I looked. Kris |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by PL259 on May 1st, 2006, 8:06pm Go google and check and see what the mexican government does to illegal imm __OOPs undocumented workers from south america that sneak in. What about the word "illegal' don't the world understand. I break the law of the land, I pay, fines, jail, etc. Just kiss my a$$ and call me country! And dammed proud of it. In my mis-spent youth at one time a law officer told me ignorance of the law was not an excuse. It wasn't, he cuffed my ass! |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Jonny on May 1st, 2006, 8:31pm Pulling posts, Flo? |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by floridian on May 1st, 2006, 8:45pm Yeah, tired of this chat. Doubt the facts would change some people's minds. Later. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Jonny on May 1st, 2006, 8:50pm Gee, all I see is facts in this thread. Be well, Flo. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by nani on May 1st, 2006, 10:12pm Hey, here's a little discussed fact... the Pilgrims were illegal aliens. Nobody invited them, either. Another little discussed fact... indigent uninsured citizens drain health care resources. And one more... our taxes do go to care for felons... in our state prison systems. Sometimes, I'm just disgusted with this place. :-/ |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by _Lee_ on May 2nd, 2006, 2:26am I'm pretty sure about the fact that Mexico once owned California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Once we took control of Mexico City, they gave up the above to get us out of their hair. Not much different than stealing all the rest of the U.S. from the Indians, except they get to have casino's. L |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by MJ on May 2nd, 2006, 3:32am on 05/01/06 at 21:27:39, KingOfPain wrote:
They are not poverty sufferers. They come here work 2 and sometimes 3 jobs to try and get ahead. Notice what they are carrying. Most likely they will come for a year or more. All that they need they will buy here in the sates from our stores and they are 12 million strong maybe more. They work here so they dont have to make in mexico and elsewhere the products you buy everyday for slave wages. Maybe you all should try and buy american made as well, good luck. Its a two headed horse making a big fart. Here in minnesota they had to shut down all the packing plants, beef, turkey, and hog operations for today to honor the ralleys. Several hundred restaurants needed to close due to lack of help for the evening hours. Many other manufacturing operations went down to a crawl. Many rural ag operations were concerned but most showed up to work so as not to create a hardship on employers. I would make a preliminary guess and say maybe 50 million dollars were lost today in minnesota. On the bright side though the 12 million undocumented immigrants still probably managed to spend at least $240,000,000 million dollars in supporting our economy today. While paying the sales taxes on all things which helps pay for our roads, our schools, our healthcare system and our prisons. All purchases with cash not a credit or debit card wich pulls up to 6% of the sale away from the vendors Tommorrow they will buy new hats boots and shoes, Cars, computers and hard goods that are sold here in the USA but made by their brothers sisters aunts and uncles back home in Quatamala, Mexico, Ecuador, Taiwan, China, etc.. What did you contribute today to help make life undesirable in their home countries. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by clarence on May 2nd, 2006, 7:52am on 05/01/06 at 21:27:39, KingOfPain wrote:
Can you really know these guys' life story from this picture? Until you walk a mile... All I'm saying is that it might not be as black and white as some people make it out to be... Casey |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Chip80 on May 2nd, 2006, 8:07am My ancestors immigrated to this nation via Ellis Island legally. There were immigration laws in place that they respected and abided by. Those of you that are of the opinion that the Pilgrims were illegal immigrants are ignorant. Please show me the immigration laws that were in place and broken at the time the Pilgrims arrived. The fact is there weren't any - no laws were broken, thus nothing illegal took place. IMO - Immigrants are people that have legally settled in this country. All others living in this country illegally should be categorized as felons, and so should employers of these felons. What is it about breaking the law that people don't understand? People will complain about child slave labor, but seem to have no problem with Mexican slave labor in the U.S. Employers of these felons should be shut down for running and facilitating a back-door slave trade! Those of you that believe that Mexicans border jumpers are justified in their actions and should be granted amnisty seem to imply that if you disagree with the laws of the United States you may break them if you feel you are justified. In addition you feel you should not be penalized for breaking laws that you don't agree with. This is not the Lawless States of American - yet. As Reagan said - "A nation without borders is not a nation." A nation that doesn't enforce it laws will deteriorate into another Nuevo Lorada Mexico. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Dragnlance on May 2nd, 2006, 8:36am First off, this is not about racial prejudice. This simply about right and wrong. I have no problem at all with those that went about the immigration legally. MY qualm is with those that come sneaking into the country, either by climbing a fence or crawling thru a tunnel, and then have the UNMITIGATED GALL to demand the same rights as LEGAL citizens of this country. As soon as you change the laws to "forgive" them their CRIME, you know the lawyers of this country will glomb onto this with both hands and get every single murderer, child molester and thief off, based on the same precedent that these law breakers (illegal immigrants) were "forgiven" so these should be "forgiven" too. We will become a LAWLESS country from that point forward. The comment about the Indians... Let me point out, the Polish, the Irish, the Slovic, the Russians, the Native Mexicans, even most of CHina, in fact, ALL of Europe. Every one of these countries have one thing in common. They are a conquered people. Everyone acts like the Indians are the only ones that were conquered and the land taken away. NOT SO! Get back to the point. ILLEGAL immigrant do not belong, should not belong. Why should some of the immigrant have to pay large sums of money and go to all the effort to become LEGAL citizens, when crossing the borders in the night is free????? I ask, is this fair to them???? Dragn |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by superhawk2300 on May 2nd, 2006, 9:17am Fisrt off I AM for VERY strict immigration criteria and am against illegal aliens in this country. It seems to me we are trying to skin the cat the hard way. I see it this way. Some whites want to eat in authintic mexican resurants and use the cheap labor pool to their companies advantage to make profits for themselves. It is 100% hypocritical to want to use illegal aliens when it profits you and then when they complain about it, then cite all the negatives about it and want to shut down the borders. People, the world is a simple place. Every action has a equal and opposite reaction. If thre wasn't jobs given to these aliens they wouldn't be here in the first place, period. Hiring illegal aliens is AMERICAN CITIZENS breaking the law, for their own profit, at the expense of others! Where is the clamor to jail the job GIVERS in this case? Not only are they just as guilty of the current mess as the job takers, they brought it about themselves. I worked construction when I lived in FL. The company hired know illegal aliens and the whites made them do all the shit jobs (and I mean that figurtivly and literly - we were underground untilities) and payed them 2 dollars an hour (1990's dollars - lets be fair). There should be a gov rep at everyplace that has walkouts and every ilegal should be deported ASAP, right afer the company that hired them is fined for each and everyone working there. And who could complain, if the illegals doing a walk out crippled your company? Hire some AMERICAN CITIZENS and pay the proper wage, and EMPLOYER portion of taxes, and benefits and you wouldn't have this problem. It is only fair to let the door swing both ways.... I forget who brought up the pilgrims and the reply to claim that the Indians welcomed the pilgrims as friends - that reply only supports the immigration claims, which is the opposite side of the debate than the replier is on. It also shows that it is was the indians who are capable of welcoming others, not the other way around. Of course it does nothing to counter the fact that if you are white your relatives helped steal eveything you own from other who were here first: The fact the pilgrims were welcomed as friends doesn't justify the rest even remotley. I ain't saying that I as a white person own anyone anything for some things that were done way before I was born, but I do think to ignore what happened or act like it was somehow justified adds insult to injury and makes me feel foolish and ignorant. Jamey |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by superhawk2300 on May 2nd, 2006, 9:26am Dragonlance, I do not undestand some of your points have some questions for you to help me. " This simply about right and wrong" "Everyone acts like the Indians are the only ones that were conquered and the land taken away. NOT SO!" Does the fact that other people have been killed for their land make the plight of the indians simply right or wrong in your opinion? I noticed you like enough about indians to take an "indian name". I don't understand your last paragraph in context with the rest of your post - the two sentances seem to counteract each other, but they do highlight a big problem with the system. I am sure it is me reading this paragraph wrong so could you elaborte a little?> |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Dragnlance on May 2nd, 2006, 9:40am I actually like the indian ways, and some of their beliefs. What I have a problem with, is that everyone acts like the Brittish 'whites' are the only ones who did this and that the Indians are the only victims in the whole world. What happened to them is wrong and tragic, but we cannot change the past. I also want people to remember that there is no place on earth that has not had the same history. The second paragraph was meant to emphasize that while this country is a land of immigrants, we cannot allow illegals to have the same rights and privliges that legal citizens do. I work with several immigrants here, and they tell me what all they had to do to become citizens of the U.S. . If we allow illegals to stay, and be 'forgiven', then we will have to reimburse those who took the legal route, for their time and money. I hope this clairifies, but if not, let me know. Dragn |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Tom K on May 2nd, 2006, 9:56am Everyone has their own take on this, depending on what side of the political isle they reside on. Here is one fact that can't be questioned...20% of the US population is for an unsecured boarder. I get this number from the fact that only 80% of the population is for securing our boarder, be it with Mexico or America Jr.(Just kidding, eh! LOL!) What other country in the world would actualy have a debate on whether or not to secure their boarder and what other country would not have 100% of it's population for it? Just something to think about... |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Bob P on May 2nd, 2006, 10:14am It's called a "Green Card" folks. The legal way for foreigners to work in this country. They don't have to become citizens. My mother-in-law was a green card her entire life in the US. Made a good living, owned a house, raised a family. This is an issue of legal vs illegal. http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/residency/index.htm Quote:
NAFTA - That big sucking sound as Ross Perot described it. Thanks to slick willy we've sent them jobs. (Never mind that US citizens had to give up theirs). |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by imnotbub on May 2nd, 2006, 11:09am on 05/02/06 at 08:07:45, Chip80 wrote:
This is a bit misleading. While I do support a stricter immigration law enforcement, and believe me, I pay for my beliefs on a daily basis with arguments with my wife, I think it's important to remember that at Ellis island, where my ancestors also came in, the immigration laws in place were basically....show up, don't have lice or some obvious disease, you're in. "What's your name?" "Scuze?" "Your first name!" "Que?" "O.K........Kay Scoozy.....NEXT!" [smiley=confused.gif] Steve |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Ghost on May 2nd, 2006, 11:52am on 05/01/06 at 22:12:23, nani wrote:
Hey Mom I got to do this. When the Pilgrims came this was not a reconized country by even the standards of the time. It was not imigration it was colonization. Same as when the spanards colonized Mexico and the Southwest. Once the counrty of the United States of America was established over time laws where made to protect and defend this countries soverenty. Yes we are a nation of mostly immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws. There is a guest worked program in place where as if a company would like to use migrant workers, they can apply to the government and legally obtain workers from other countries to work for them. If they attempt and can document they tried to get local labor and was unable the will be granted the ability to actually increase the numbers of guest workers to legally cross into this country with a work visa and work for them. This program actually requires no cost to the worker and even a tax free status they just have to get there whether it be by bus, car, taxy, or even the company provided transportation. The problem is the companies are so grossly underpaying the illegals that if they did it legally they would have to pay them a fair wage. The workers are not better for the way it is being done now they are actually getting ripped off. As a guest worker they can actually go to a legitamate border crossing and apply to a list for access to the program. The list is then turned over to the authorities and a limited background check is done. If they are not felons or wanted they will most likely be accepted into the program, again at no cost to them. Yes this does take time but at least there is the advantage of not paying a Mule to cross/transport them and the possability of dying on the journey. I agree the problem has escallated to almost immesurable proportions but there has to be a point where for the security of the country we have to stop the flow of illegal crossings and assist those wanting to work the ability to do so legally. If done correctly both sides of the issue can be assisted and there wouldn't be so many problems and issues to bicker about. If those wanting to work are not criminals then they should not have a problem doing it legally. There are presently hundreds of thousands doing exactly what I described and they do not have to live in fear of being detained and sent home for no other reason than just being here. During the time they are in the guest worker program most apply for either citizenship or dual citizenship. All of this can be done Legally and this would also grant them rights they feel they should have. Ok well I will wait to get blasted now but I hope before blasting me please read my whole post and see that it can be done right and fair. Mike |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Chip80 on May 2nd, 2006, 12:01pm on 05/02/06 at 11:09:51, imnotbub wrote:
There is nothing misleading about it. The laws and processes in place were followed. My ancestors didn't stow-away or border jump to get in this country. I suppose you are hoping to make the argument that because it's just sooo hard to become a legal immigrant today, that it's justifiable to break the law. Sorry, I'm not buying your crap! |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by catlind on May 2nd, 2006, 12:39pm on 05/01/06 at 19:12:02, KingOfPain wrote:
Hmmm I wonder what that makes me then. Guess I can call myself an alien from now on ;;D I'm a foreign-born resident who has not been naturalized and still a subject citizen of a foreign country. I'm not a citizen, I'm an alien, although not an illegal one....I didn't see a definition for a permanent resident. Just as a thought, it has cost us over $4500 US for myself and my 2 oldest kids to become permanent residents in the US with my husband as an active duty member in the USAF. For pretty much every other country besides Canada, there is a lottery for immigrants to enter legally. The cost for them is probably as much if not considerably more if they require an immigration lawyer. Mexicans cross the border illegally - generally paying around $2000-$3000 to get smuggled in. Do the math, they enter illegally not just because of the lottery, but also because of the cost of immigrating, and then all the other factors that have drawn so many here. This is neither and endorsement nor a damnation, just simply stating the facts. I did everything legally, by the book at every step and it has been a struggle. It's a huge financial endeavor, and the cost of the medical alone is daunting. The main reason I haven't actually taken my naturalization yet? $1200 cash up front for myself and my 2 kids on top of the $4500 I've already paid. Quote:
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Kevin_M on May 2nd, 2006, 12:46pm on 05/01/06 at 22:12:23, nani wrote:
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by maffumatt on May 2nd, 2006, 12:47pm I'm curious as to what the reaction is going to be when the next terrorist stike in the US happens and it is found the those who did it crossed illegaly from Canada or Mexico. Another thing that comes to mind, in the Palo Verde Vally in Southern California where most of my family lives, it is a heavy Ag community, illegals are hired and work the mellon and Vegtable fields. The average wage there is 5 dollars an hour, far below the California min. wage. Those people work their ass off in 120 plus degree temps. People die from doing that work. Is that right? Is that fair? No. I have nothing against those people at all, as a matter of fact I have a high degree of respect for them. However if they were legal they would get paid a living wage, and wouldn't be forced to live next to the drainage ditches, drinking farm wastewater runoff, ect.....The conditions they are forced to live in are inhumane, all because the farmers there can save a few cents per pound on the produce. Be legal and be treated like a person instead of a damn dog is my opinion. Matt. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by catlind on May 2nd, 2006, 12:57pm on 05/02/06 at 12:47:28, maffumatt wrote:
Hmmm wonder what the reaction will be when they find out the terrorists who DID attack were granted an educational visa AFTER they were identified as the ones dead on a plane that crashed into the WTC.... Don't look to include Canada in the same arena as Mexicans coming into this country. The immigration laws with Canada are COMPLETELY different than for Mexico. There is no lottery for immigration, Canadians are one of 2 countries allowed to maintain dual citizenships legally, people in Canada can live for 6 months in the US without having to do anything more than cross the border and say where they are going and for how long, and in the months after 9/11 we were still living in upstate NY where it was STILL harder to get into Canada than it was the US. In fact they had the commander at Fort Drum had the Canadian customs and immigration officers babysitting the soldiers...not allowing them to cross the border without official leave orders...something which is illegal in Canada and that I took directly to the Minister of Immigration and had a man fired for...not to mention the PR office at Drum when they received the copy of the letter with the complaint to the Human Rights Commission and the Minister of Immigration. Be careful how you choose to generalize things. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by floridian on May 2nd, 2006, 1:04pm Have to agree with most of what Ghost said. There is a program in place. Companies are not using it because they make more money by ignoring the law than by following it. We could spend ten times more than we do now on border security, and that would not solve the problem. Or we could spend a much smaller sum on enforcing the law that so many American citizens are breaking to make money. That would turn off the demand for illegal labor, which would slow to a small trickle of what it is now. Yesterday's protest led to the shutdown of half of the chicken packing plants in the country. Hello?? The executives and human resource departments from those plants should be investigated. Start siezing assets that result from criminal conspiracies to employ illegals. Start locking up Americans who break the law. Without illegal employers there would be few illegal workers. The Demand is concentrated in a relatively small number of people who have a lot to lose; The Supply is spread across millions of poor people who have little to lose if they are caught and sent back. Side note to G: the colonists were immigrants. Immigration merely means 'to move to' and is independent of legal framework or motivation (political, religious, economic). |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Tom K on May 2nd, 2006, 1:23pm on 05/02/06 at 12:57:27, catlind wrote:
Didn't a group of terrorist who were going to blow up the Space Needle in Seattle get in through Canada? Or am I getting two different groups mixed up? [smiley=huh.gif][smiley=huh.gif] Along the cheap labor lines, legalize this group and let them demand higher pay and another group of "illegals" will come along and do the same jobs cheaper than this group is. You are never going to get rid of this with out totally sealing the boarders, and even then the people who want to go around the system will still find a way. To all who say that the Pilgrams were illegal and didn't ask to come here and are "illegal", trace back your lineage and see if your ansestors came here via legal means, if not, then maybe you need to turn yourself in and get out. Why can't everyone see this issue for what it is...just another way for the media to get people attacking each other and making something that is a non-story into something bigger than it ought to be. If the media didn't start to cover this heavily this year, it would have died the same death it has for the last 12-15 years. There was never this much attention brought to this issue in Cali when it came up for a vote back in the '90's, the only thing that is different is that the media has brought it to the forefront and one group of politicians is using it to bash another group over the head with it. At the same time, it is dividing the country. Or so they would like you to belive. I just read a story on MSN, maybe it was MSN maybe Comcast, that the tide is turing against the protestors and people are starting to get sick of it all. Personally, I think that this wouldn't be a major issue if the people coming into the country would learn and speak English. The American people are pretty tollerant of someone if they try to fit in. By demanding Spanish on signs, at the polling booth, on TV, etc, they are setting themselves apart from the everyday American and those Americans are becoming resentful. Assimilate and this would be a non-issue, again. Just my $.02 |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by floridian on May 2nd, 2006, 1:43pm on 05/02/06 at 13:23:28, Tom K wrote:
No, they tried to get in through Canada. They would have gotten through, but an alert guard noticed one was behaving strangely, and ordered an inspection, which revealed explosives. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Tom K on May 2nd, 2006, 1:44pm on 05/02/06 at 13:43:09, floridian wrote:
That's right, thanks for the clarification... [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by catlind on May 2nd, 2006, 4:32pm on 05/02/06 at 15:44:36, KingOfPain wrote:
Relax Steve, I wasn't questioning the definitions, I was pointing out that I get to be an alien, that's why the grin :) Cat |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by cootie on May 2nd, 2006, 4:38pm I jus think were a greedy lot and we suck.....(yeah I know...speak for myself) End of story Pam |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Donna_D. on May 2nd, 2006, 5:26pm on 05/02/06 at 16:32:09, catlind wrote:
Nah, you get to be an alien because of that implant in yer brain that causes those really bad headaches :P I shall now put on my tinfoil hat. DD |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by superhawk2300 on May 2nd, 2006, 6:40pm thanks dragon I get ya now. I concur with your last part but I think in reference to the "Indian thing" : I think I have a problem with it because other nations that slaughtered and killed and displaced the indigenous peoples never posted a sign reading the whole "give me your tired, your poor....." theme to them. Anf the fact that others have done dispicable things does not excuse me doing those same things I'm American, I'm supposed to be the good guys. Oh yeah, Hypocracy is my number 1 pet peeve. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Dragnlance on May 2nd, 2006, 9:33pm Hey Hawk, I want to make it clear that what I stated about the Indians is not an excuse. I simply want people to realize that this is not the only place on earth that this sort of thing happend. I have read things that people from other countries say about it, blithly ignoring their own history... Ghost has a point.. this was not a nation of any kind, when it was colonized, so you cannot count the pilgrims as illegal. The aliens nowadays are a different story. They ARE criminals, and quite simply, how can we trust someone who ignores the LAW from their first step onto American soil? |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Tom K on May 2nd, 2006, 10:26pm Maybe this will sum it all up... "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907 |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by catlind on May 2nd, 2006, 10:54pm on 05/02/06 at 21:33:12, Dragnlance wrote:
Ummm I do believe you meant to say the ILLEGAL aliens?? I'm an alien, however I am NOT a criminal....I did everything according to the book and paid a small fortune to do so. Cat |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Charlie on May 3rd, 2006, 6:26pm Quote:
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by floridian on May 3rd, 2006, 7:12pm on 05/02/06 at 22:26:23, Tom K wrote:
I love that quote. But I find it just a tad hypocritical that the right wing is so quick to rally around the One True Flag when they have been silent or supportive on the widespread flying of the Battle Flag of the Confederacy for decades. All the while pretending that neither issue has anything to do with race. I don't hear any complaining about Irish flags. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Jonny on May 3rd, 2006, 7:25pm I love how you just pick PARTS of posts to quote, Flo [smiley=laugh.gif] I guess my post yesterday never mentioned "one word" of holding companies responsible for hiring illegals, right? [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] You never answered that one......LOL |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by BlueMeanie on May 3rd, 2006, 7:49pm on 05/02/06 at 13:23:28, Tom K wrote:
Yea, you're right the media should wait until this gets way out of hand before telling the truth about 12 million illegals. Maybe they should wait another 5 years when there's 25 million. Or perhaps wait 10 years when there's 50 million stealing us blind. ::) I vote for sending them all to Florida. ;) |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Jonny on May 3rd, 2006, 7:56pm on 05/03/06 at 19:49:59, BlueMeanie wrote:
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by floridian on May 3rd, 2006, 8:13pm on 05/03/06 at 19:25:33, Jonny wrote:
I'll be happy to admit that I made a mistake. Terribly sorry about the "not one word" oversight I made in the other thread the other day .... I skimmed your lengthy cut and paste without exercising due diligence. You are absolutely right - there were a few words buried in the other nonsense. What about you - did you every answer john_d about your promoting a violent racist computer game on this board?? Quote:
I thought not. You wouldn't own to a mistake like promoting hate, anti-semitism and discrimination against Mexicans. You probably don't even see it is an mistake, just another viewpoint. But you want to hold my feet to the fire for a statement that is hyperbolic. Bankrupt. I got no problem with a discussion of whether English should be the official language. I agree with the idea that immigration should be done in accordance with the laws. But this whole debate is being pushed with heavy racist notes - and I thank you for providing irrefutable proof of that with your post on the that splat-the-Mexican-breeder game. Sad to think that boys in their fourties gets their jollies from violent racist cartoon games. :-/ |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by chewy on May 3rd, 2006, 8:28pm Quote:
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Jonny on May 3rd, 2006, 8:30pm on 05/03/06 at 20:13:38, floridian wrote:
Promoting?.......LOL, I just posted a link...where did I say "This is what I believe?"....I guess now I hate Jews and Mexicans, Flo.....LMAO [smiley=laugh.gif] You should refrain from taking one snippet from a quote and adding your spin to it, Flo. Here is the full quote you bashed! on 05/02/06 at 22:26:23, Tom K wrote:
It seems that you just skimmed over this post as you did mine and picked out what you wanted to spin. Just move to Mexico, Flo ;;D |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by superhawk2300 on May 3rd, 2006, 9:36pm on 05/02/06 at 21:33:12, Dragnlance wrote:
I see your point, but we could be the only nation that did so while claiming to be "The land of the free" and open to all. Quote:
I see this point simular to you leaving your bike outside and I take it and when you say "Hey that is mine" I say back "I don't see your name on it", only I won't send you a blanket filled with the small pox virus after I steal it. Hey! I just realized that early settlers, my relatives, conducted the first bio-terrorism on the continent! Quote:
There are plenty of people who get suckered into thinking they are entering the country legaly. There are poeple called "Wolves" who tell a family that for a certainnumber of dollars they can get them citizenship papers. The family pays up and gets dumped this side of the border and usually get arrested the same day. Now I am not denying there are many illegal people that come in. Just pointing out this is a very huge, complex problem. Some people are criminals, some are victems. And the criminals are on both sides of the border (Wolves and US Emplyers) but the victems are only on one side. I do agree with much stricter guidelines for letting people in much like Canada and most European countires have. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Tom K on May 3rd, 2006, 11:50pm on 05/03/06 at 19:49:59, BlueMeanie wrote:
What I was refering to was the coverage of the protests and of the proposed bill. No one said Boo about this in the past when it has been brought up, so what, 5 years ago, according to your math, 6 million was ok? If this is such a big issue, why don't we round ALL of them up, the Mexicans, Chinese, Polish, Irish anyone who is in the country illegally, ship them all back and seal the boarder? Or is that too mean? Not calling you out, personally, just everyone who says that we don't need to stregthen the boarder. Hey Flo, nice way to pick and choose what you want to rip on...If a state wants to fly the Stars and Bars, what does it matter to you? And what the hell does that have to do with what Roosevelt said? Hi Pot, Meet Kettle... It's no wonder that I try to stay off the General Board...show an opinion that doesn't jive with the "Cool Kids" and they try to pick you apart... |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by deltadarlin on May 4th, 2006, 8:29am Superhawk2300, They aren't called *wolves* they are called *coyotes*. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by Bob P on May 4th, 2006, 10:04am Quote:
Too general Flo. Must have missed where I said my mother-in-law was a green card. My wife's maiden name is Hernandez. Judging by the lip lock Jonny laid on her in Atlanta I don't think he's predjudiced! |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by BobG on May 4th, 2006, 10:41am Aliens come to the USA and take jobs that Americans don't want to touch or even recognize. One job is bringing attention to the fact there is an alien invasion going on. Lily white America has ignored and refused to do this job for decades. |
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Title: Re: US Immigration and Naturalization Service Post by superhawk2300 on May 7th, 2006, 5:53pm Thx delta, I love the southwest I used to be an avid backpacker there. After meeting some people there I was told about the coyotes. It been several years since I've been there soI was mixed up. Jamey |
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