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Title: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by tanner on Apr 17th, 2006, 2:31pm GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all! (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one. How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. Kerry Lyle, Director, Research Coordinator I'm doing it.................tim |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Dragnlance on Apr 17th, 2006, 2:45pm I saw this a few weeks back. I am doing it as well. Dragn |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Svenn on Apr 17th, 2006, 2:59pm STFU and complain about the gas-prizes [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] We are paying $1.7047/litre = close to $6,8188 for 1 gallon. If my mind is working 1 gallon=3,7 litre Svenn |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by kcopelin on Apr 17th, 2006, 3:09pm Svenn, Yep, think your math is right...@ $6.82 a gallon. I remember when I was stationed in Germany-we never, never, never wanted to buy gas off-base-it was outrageous. Problem here is the price can jump 10-15 cents per gallon over night with no discernable reason. I'm looking into the vegie oil running engine. Hybrids are too expensive. I think the Europeans have a good handle on some of this-they walk-they carpool, they take public transportation, and they ride bikes. High gas prices may have a positive effect, n'est pas? As for the plan, I already buy my gas from the cheap places-don't know who owns them-how can we tell if a station may be owned by Exxon/Mobil, not the obvious ones, but others without those names on the sign? PFDAN y'all kathy |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 17th, 2006, 3:27pm Normally, it'll say ExxonMobil on the pumps, but it's possible they may sell some of their gas generically... Ya might have to find out the gasoline distributor the station uses, then research to find out who their suppliers are. Luckily, most stations get their gas straight from the big guys, so you'll know who's pockets your paddin' with your fill up right away. PFDAN....................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Oh Boy! Post by Paul98 on Apr 17th, 2006, 4:35pm Gas prices are a hot button with me. Boycoting E/M would only work if the loss in sales was net reduction in all gas sales. Most people drive because they have to and this only switches where they buy gas. If the other companys don't see a reduction in sales, (they would see an increase in sales if E/M were boycotted.) they have no incentive to lower prices. Back in '99, the administration made the EPA enact standards for custom blends of gas/ETOH or gas/MBTE which were to be phased in starting in 2000. This led to the shortages of gas on the left coast because there was a lack of distribution of the "blends" out there. As more of the phase-in kicked in shortages became greater and prices went up further. Congress forced the requirement of these blends and now congress wants to turn around ans sue the makers of MBTE because it has polluted the environment. Now the makers of MBTE stopped producing it and the oil refineries are cought not having the capability to instantly switch over to ETOH blends. Sure the price of oil has gone up but the government has caused a lot of the increase in the pump price of gas. Now about ETOH in gas. ETOH is much more expensive to produce than gas. It also has less BTU/gal than gas. It is supposed to reduce emmissions in engines by 10%. What they don't tell you is that your gas mileage goes down 15-20% using gas with 10% ETOH in it. (remember last Aug. in the aftermath of Katrina, EPA rules were suspended for ETOH in gas to allow for easier distribution and with 100% gas flowing from the pumps gas mileage shot up 15-20%. ) So in the name of helping the environment, we reduce tailpipe emmissions by 10% but use 15-20% MORE GAS! Corn growers love it. Thank Tommy Dashle for that one! Now for all you folks outside the USA; I would not say we have cheap gas. YOU are being taxed to death. A whopping chunk of the $6.00/gal price is TAX. You should be complaining to your goverment, not saying how easy we have it. Yes, the oil companies are reaping huge profits and I think it is wrong but it is not the sole cause for the high gas prices. Speculation on oil futures and goverment medeling is the primary reason for high prices. OK, I'm done rantin and I'll shut up now >:( -P. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Charlie on Apr 17th, 2006, 4:57pm Everybody in my town drives 22 miles each way :o to buy their gasoline and horseshit cigarettes on the Seneca Reservation. After that they hop on over to the casino to experience more native American tradition. I dunno. 44 miles to avoid NY taxes which although are formidible.... Of course I've never bought gas. :o 8) Charlie |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Dragnlance on Apr 17th, 2006, 4:58pm Quote:
I don't buy that excuse for a second. The oil companies netted PROFIT of 138 BILLION Dollars. This is AFTER all the expenses. That is obscene. I have no problem with making profit, but when a group of companies can RAPE the public and get away with it... Did you notice how gas prices went down this winter when they were called into Washington to explain, now not one politician is saying a word.. can we say BRIBE??? |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by tanner on Apr 17th, 2006, 5:23pm I am sorry Paul but I have to disagree with pretty much your entire post. Speculation as in futures is a way that oil companies can maximize profits by buying or selling or actually taking delivery of the commodity but has zero relationship to the price at the pump on a large scale. If one particular company really sucks at hedging which is really about all they do anyway then they would need to raise prices while the competition sat back and LTFAO. As far as the effect of boycotting long term against one or two individual players it would indeed force them to lower prices or start losing shareholders. BP even tho the brits are wonderful people is not going to step up to help Exxon out of a jam and Shell is going to sit and watch until the effect on Exxon really does cause price wars. It has worked in the past and it can work again. Do you remember back in the 60s when Conoco almost disappeared because of the price war inflicted on them by the big boys? I do. It is simply a matter of a massive commitment to absolutely boycott one player and Exxon is a great choice because of their size and the fact that they have huge profits to go to war with. And OPEC, well they just want to sell oil at the highest price the market will bear and we the consumers can control that market. ......................tim |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Paul98 on Apr 17th, 2006, 10:20pm Tim, Economics isn't my strong point and perhaps I'm wrong but with the futures in oil, say when conflict in the mid east is hightened, futures go up (yes to maximize profits) and along with it, the price of a Brl of oil on the open market. This in turn is reflected at the pump. Perhaps I'm missing something. As far as a boycot, the lost revenue to E/M would have to be reflected in the gas not sold at all, not just made up for by another company. If the country runs on 2M Brl/day, you are still using 2M Brl/day despite who sells it and if E/M goes out of buisness there is one less player so the long term effect would be to drive prices up. As far as Conoco, if I remember correctly, the big oil companys started lowering prices to drive Conoco out. Much different then a boycot from the public. Did you disagree with the part about ethanol and MBTE? That is directly from the WSJ. and my own knowledge of chenistry and physics and detailed tracking of gas mileage over the past 15 years. -P. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by purpleydog on Apr 17th, 2006, 11:15pm ExxonMobil is a publicly traded company. I don't hear the stockholders complaining about the profit XOM has made, and the stockholders have the final word in any publicly held company I've heard of. XOM is also the most widely held petroleum/ chemical stock there is. Also, there is the petro-chemical business to think of, not to mention plastics, and other every day things we all use that are made from petroleum products. And gasoline isn't the only fuel these companies make. You know the brand Hefty? Trash bags, etc? A division of Mobil. Sterlite brand garbage cans, kitchen size, etc, and other plastic containers? Another division of Mobil, now part of Exxon, since they merged. Not buying their brand of gasoline won't put that much of a dent in their business. Also, let's not forget the taxes on gasoline. It varies from state to state and city to city. In the city and state I live in, there is a hefty $1.25 tax that goes to the city and state, not to mention the federal tax imposed on it. I can drive across the river and pay 10 cents less per gallon, or I can drive 20 miles and pay 20 cents less. Or I can pump my own gas in the sate I live in, and then travel to another state, and pay 10 cents less a gallon, and have someone else pump it for me, because it's the law. In the last 18 years, the value of my Mobil, now ExxonMobil stock has gone up over 1000% due to dividend reinvestment, and stock splits. I suppose people could find alternate transportaion to work, school, the grocery store, shopping, vacations, etc. But unless you're walking or riding your bike, you are going to be paying someone for the fuel it takes to get there. And in todays society, with the freedom of being able to drive where you want, when you want, the price of gas is a small price to pay. Not to mention the ability to buy a gas guzzler/ status symbol to hold your fuel in while driving around. Just be glad you don't live in Europe, or somewhere else, where the price of gas, and other fuels, are about double or more than what we pay here. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by tanner on Apr 17th, 2006, 11:25pm on 04/17/06 at 22:20:32, Paul98 wrote:
The difference between what we the public could accomplish now with a boycott and what happened to Conoco is that BIG BIG OIL like Exxon cannot go under without dragging the entire brotherhood down and they would have no choice but to start a price war. They can't deny that thay have the assets to do it! As to what happens at the commodity trading centers and their real effect on what we pay it mostly smoke and mirrors. The bottom line is supply and demand. Exxon is way too big a player for the OPEC shmucks to sit back and not find a way for them to continue to do business even if it meant lowering the price per barrel. If and I really mean if they could go under you and I had better start watching Exxon stock prices and get ready to sell short! Then we wouldn't need to worry about the price of gas cuz we would be rich!!! But it's not going to happen. The largest shareholders are groups (mostly funds and holding companies) that are owned by the same people who sell them the oil to begin with. And own the largest percenage of stations. .....................tim |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by mynm156 on Apr 18th, 2006, 12:55am CAN U SAY URBAN LEGEND?! http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Dragnlance on Apr 18th, 2006, 8:54am sooooooooo...... The gas is in the tank in the ground, under the pumps. They were filled up LAST WEEK. HOW do you explain that the cost of that same tank of gas as GONE UP 35 cents a gallon, when they bought it LAST WEEK.. RAPE of the public due to GREED Dragn, one pissed consumer. BTW, I walk to work and have for the last eight years. But when it costs $25 to put 8 gallons of gas into a Honda Civic, I would rather pay Taxes. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by catlind on Apr 18th, 2006, 9:09am I live in Nebraska, I buy Ethanol 10%, and am all for modified autos that run on 85% ethanol. Trust me, there's a boat load of corn out here ;) Cat |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 18th, 2006, 9:39am on 04/17/06 at 15:09:32, kcopelin wrote:
Just wanted to say, that they can do that because their countries are a weeeeeee bit smaller than ours. Some of our states are the size of their whole country. I don't think my husband, with his severe asthma even and in the middle of winter, would be all that happy on biking 30 miles one way to werk. ;) Now, my opinion, GET THEM ETHANOL PLANTS BUILT AND RUNNING!!! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Dragnlance on Apr 18th, 2006, 10:42am Melissa wrote Quote:
I AGREE! ANYTHING to gouge the oil companies! |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by tanner on Apr 18th, 2006, 10:53am on 04/18/06 at 00:55:11, mynm156 wrote:
Pretty hard to argue with that :-[................tim |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by medic1852 on Apr 18th, 2006, 11:04am on 04/18/06 at 00:55:11, mynm156 wrote:
I agree that it is an "urban legend". But if everyone stopped buying gas for a month or two, the price would go down. Not just from one company like Exon but all the gas companies. The reason that it would work is the same reason a strike works for a union. The Oil Companies really bank on the whole "urban legend" thing. Well that is a strong statement, but they do know that we will not stop buying their product for more than a day. And that is what it would take, more than one day of boycotts, we would need at least a month, not just a small group but the entire nation. Rodger |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Paul98 on Apr 18th, 2006, 11:21am Cat and Mel, If switching to an ethanol economy is what you want be prepaired to pay the cost. Filling your tank will cost over $5/gal and since corn production would have to rise by 11-12X current production (you would have to plant ~600-800 BILLION acers) and corn is one of the hardest crops on soil so be prepaired for the pollution from the run off. Still think it is a good idea? -P. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by karma on Apr 18th, 2006, 11:31am Its interesting that no one has brought up conservation. Everyone is just trying to figure out ways to keep up the same old wastefull habits but at a cheaper price. If everyone tried as hard to figure out ways to conserve just 10% of what they use it would have a profound effect on the oil co's. bottom line. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 18th, 2006, 11:39am on 04/18/06 at 11:21:20, Paul98 wrote:
First of all, ethanol would not be 100%. I would think that even putting it at 20% would be efficient enough to offset gas prices here. Oh and btw, it would further reduce our dependency on foreign oil, where we'd have control of the market better. I'd rather pay a steady $5 a gallon instead of wide fluctuations. Secondly, responsible farming would be madatory. And the U.S. is up there with good farming practices. There is less soil erosion in the U.S. than many countries in the world. It comes from crop rotations. There is always a way. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by tanner on Apr 18th, 2006, 12:30pm on 04/18/06 at 11:31:12, karma wrote:
Karma, you are so right! Here I am ranting about what turns out to be a bogus boycott plan and I live in a country where almost no one carpools. Yes people do use public transportation but it is mostly folks who are fortunate enough for that to be convenient for them. When we lived on the island and were paying what you do for fuel we never went over the hill without seeing if someone else needed a ride. ....tim |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by BobG on Apr 18th, 2006, 1:36pm I'm waiting for the oil sands in Canada to be developed and producing. It'll be the biggest oil source in the world. Then Dick Chaney can declare war on Canada and sell it to Halliburton. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Paul98 on Apr 18th, 2006, 1:49pm Mel, Most of the US is currently using E-10 (10% ETOH) and the US consumption of oil is above what it was 1-2 years ago. I feel that going to 20% ETOH will have no effect on oil consumption. If you have no problem with paying $5/gal of gas think about what you are willing to pay for food or anything else dependant on energy. Crop rotation would lessen the impact of corn production but then you would need 1.2-1.6 TRILLION acers ADDED to current land that is now being tilled. I personally think growing food for use as a fuel is pure arrogance and downright sinfull when 1/3-1/2 of the world population is malnourished. Less oil consumption through better efficiency is a good way to go but as the world population increases so does energy use. It boils down to to over population. -P. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Dragnlance on Apr 18th, 2006, 1:52pm Quote:
Actually I noted 2 things, that I walk to work, and I drive a Honda Civic. Sold my jeep that got 20 mpg, bought the Civic which gets 38 MPG. I also use my motorcycle which gets 62 mpg. My pickup I use only when I need to. You do have to realize that Montana is a big state. If you put one corner in Washington DC, the other corner will be in Chicago. We are also not very populated. The city of Milwaukee has more people in it than the whole state of Montana. We don't have lot's of choice when it comes to how much we drive. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 18th, 2006, 1:58pm on 04/18/06 at 13:49:54, Paul98 wrote:
I am always hopeful on alternative ways to solve problems, but saying I am arrogant and sinful to even think of using ethanol is very judgemental. Quote:
That's a copout. The earth is not overpopulated, we just have too much corrupt government running everything. Human beings themselves need to conserve, like Karma said above. But until it's a global consensus, you gotta look at other options. I have sometimes wished we lived in the times before organized armies, where a family fought just to survive, and not because the government said so. mel- the forever optomist |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:01pm on 04/18/06 at 13:49:54, Paul98 wrote:
Oh and by the way, we are very self sustaining out here in the country. We kill and grow our own food. If I wanted to, we wouldn't ever have to purchase anything from the grocery store. But being the greedy human I am, I like a little flavor in my life. You can't tell me you never keep wanting something other than what you got. It's human nature. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by medic1852 on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:06pm on 04/18/06 at 13:58:22, Melissa wrote:
WOW send in the raiding parties...woooohoooo!http://www.millan.net/anims/giffar/viking.gif No serious we do need to look at alternatives. There is grain in the heartland that is stored there is soybeans that are stored. There is a lot of natural resources out there that we could look at. Rodger |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:10pm LMAO Rodger! I think Vikings are sexy. ;;D [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Paul98 on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:12pm My appologies Mel. I should have worded it differently. It was not ment to be directed at you personaly but at energy consuming society as a whole. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by medic1852 on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:14pm Well Mel here I is! Rodger AKA the SEXY VIKING...of course I am a short one more like a Yosemite Sam viking..Hey I live in the country also..Hunt Deer, Turkey, Dove, have hunted Pheasant. Can grow anything from Apples to Zucchini...and some other thing out here in the woods of Kentucky! Rodger |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Dragnlance on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:20pm Hunting fishing and growing food are simply part of Montana life. I too like things like sugar, molasis and spices that cannot be grown here. Soooo, I have to drive to get there. There is no public transportation in the country BTW. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:22pm on 04/18/06 at 14:12:53, Paul98 wrote:
Paul, thank you for clarifying. And I understand your sentiments as I hope you do mine. :)mel |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:23pm Rodger you're a nutter! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by medic1852 on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:25pm Better to be a nutter than a Butter! [smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif] Rodger |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 18th, 2006, 2:28pm [smiley=ohjez.gif] |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by floridian on Apr 18th, 2006, 4:34pm Problem is that our food production system is very efficient in terms of yield per acres, but to get that, it is very, very inefficient in terms of energy in vs energy out. It takes more fossil fuels to produce a bushel of corn than we could ever get out in terms of ethanol. All that energy for plowing, fertilizing, harvesting and processing makes it a losing proposition. Plus, we erode away a few bushels of topsoil for every bushel of corn, which is basically mining the soil. Ethanol makes sense for Archer Daniels Midland and the farmers that would would see a boost in their profits if demand goes up. It makes no sense for the country as a whole. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by deltadarlin on Apr 18th, 2006, 4:40pm I don't have a choice about driving, I drive as a part of my job (around 2500 miles a month). I don't own a gas guzzler, but I don't own a matchbox car either~I get around 25 mph. Also, I live in the country and the closet store to me is about 4 miles away on a busy highway with no *sides* to it (thing log trucks, and chicken trucks mowing you down). As far as oil? The US has enough oil in the ground to lessen the dependence on foreign oil, 'cept that the caribou keep organizing protests to keep us from drilling. Carolyn |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by thomas on Apr 18th, 2006, 4:41pm Ethanol makes cars run shitty. And if you buy fuel from other companies besides the big boys, you are buying inferior fuel which gets less mileage, causes more pollution and in turn uses more resources. Double edged sword. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Paul98 on Apr 18th, 2006, 4:46pm Adding ~2-4 OZ of acetone to 10 gal of gas helps with the poor mileage caused by the ETOH. Emissions are reduced and the car runs better. -P. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Charlie on Apr 18th, 2006, 7:16pm They are about to build an ethanol plant right here in Chautauqua County, NY and employ some of those sexy Vikings. Not sure what they plan to do with it but we grow a shitload of cow corn. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/confetti.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Paul98 on Apr 18th, 2006, 7:54pm Hey Charlie, I'm just a "stones throw" east of you in NY, Yup, shitloads of field corn! I have it in my fields every 3rd year. They are talking of puting in a ETOH plant in Seneca Falls just south of me. The county gets a woody thinking about it because of the taxes but most folks don't want it because of the smell. I guess you get whompt on with the lake effect like I do except you get it from Erie, I get it from Ontairo. -P. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by mynm156 on Apr 18th, 2006, 9:48pm on 04/18/06 at 11:04:50, medic1852 wrote:
Never happen. Could you go a month without driving your car? Also most gas stations get thier fuel twice a week. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Charlie on Apr 18th, 2006, 10:38pm Your right Paul. We get it from Erie but the big whompt is just south of Buffalo. We get about the same as the city. Not sure about the new plant. Anything for taxes and a few jobs. It's pretty grim otherwise. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/neat confused.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Opus on Apr 18th, 2006, 11:52pm on 04/18/06 at 11:21:20, Paul98 wrote:
Also planting, harvesting, trucking, and distilling all that corn uses a huge amount of?...... You guessed it, petroleum products, which will result in higher gas prices yet. Opus/Paul |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by medic1852 on Apr 19th, 2006, 8:11am on 04/18/06 at 21:48:01, mynm156 wrote:
Your right I cant go without driving my car, I live 24 miles from work, also I have to drive an ambulance at work. My point was that IF we could. But as we all know IF is a big word. Rodger |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 19th, 2006, 8:35am on 04/18/06 at 16:46:07, Paul98 wrote:
Of course, there's that little thing about the acetone eating away the gaskets and seals in the fuel system and engine, but that's not too important really. PFDAN................................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by JenniferD on Apr 19th, 2006, 8:48am http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989 April 14, 2006— Soaring gas prices are squeezing most Americans at the pump, but at least one man isn't complaining. Last year, Exxon made the biggest profit of any company ever, $36 billion, and its retiring chairman appears to be reaping the benefits. Exxon is giving Lee Raymond one of the most generous retirement packages in history, nearly $400 million, including pension, stock options and other perks, such as a $1 million consulting deal, two years of home security, personal security, a car and driver, and use of a corporate jet for professional purposes. I personally would like to bitch slap that rat bastard. I live out in the country too, and the nearest anything resembling a "town" is 26 miles away. I've learned a simpler way of life here and trips to the store for anything is planned in advance, or trips are shared with my sister who lives up the road. I might pick stuff up for her while I'm out, and vice versa. When we don't have something, we make do with what we have. I think we are all a bit spoiled in our lifestyles and work related travel aside, there is a lot we can do to cut down on our overall consumption. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Dragnlance on Apr 19th, 2006, 9:19am One of the things that this is going to have a major impact on is the economy. Already there is a downturn in the smaller communities in spending, since the oil companies started raping the public. If the fuel prices make it to 4 dollars a gallon, you see a huge decrease in consumer spending. I can tell you that I have already cut back on everything, including groceries because of the greed of oil companies.. Any bets that this year the oil companies show an even higher profit margin than last year's 138 Billion Profit??? I predict that this year, Despite their propiganda stating that it is everyone else that is causing the price jump, that they top 150 Billion Dollar profit. I hope you like the feeling of being raped I know I dont Dragn |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 19th, 2006, 9:19am With every negative aspect, there is always a solution. It just takes some creative ingenuity. Anyway, I would personally like to see the O2 fueled cars studied more. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by floridian on Apr 19th, 2006, 9:55am on 04/19/06 at 09:19:26, Melissa wrote:
You mean hydrogen?? Oxygen is not a fuel - it is an oxidant. Using pure oxygen can result in higher temperatures and more 'efficient' combustion, but usually there is plenty of O2 in the air. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 19th, 2006, 10:01am on 04/19/06 at 09:55:28, floridian wrote:
Nope, I'm pretty sure it was Oxygen that I heard. It was on a program that was on either the Discovery or History Channel. This guy has the only O2 powered car and has to hook up some sort of thing to a huge tank to refuel his car. The tanks they had at the plant were huge and frosty. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Paul98 on Apr 19th, 2006, 10:10am Drk, I was very leery of trying the acetone at first and did a lot of reading on it. Vehicles today have newer seals, tubing and gaskets made with different polymers and less suseptable to attack from acetone than they would have been 20 years ago. This concern has been debated at length and I have not heard of any actual problems. I have had no problems using it over the last 60K miles. It saves me ~$1,400/year in gas which is a 15% savings for me. I would not use it in an old car or one that has not been well maintained. It has a cleaning effect and if the engine is gummed up with high mileage you might find the engine burning a lot of oil after using it. I also would not reccomend it for the ocasional driver where the car sits for lorn periods of time. Google search the subject if you are interested. There is a lot of info out there and to date I have read no actual horror stories, just speculation of problems. -P. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by medic1852 on Apr 19th, 2006, 1:00pm Mel, I did not doubt what you say you saw on TV. So since I watch those two channels regularly, I went to Google and done a search, found that it was a Hydrogen car with a run off of water as waste. I would like to see it looked into also. Hydrogen Cars (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/science/03/16/hydrogen.cars/) Rodger |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 19th, 2006, 1:28pm on 04/19/06 at 13:00:01, medic1852 wrote:
Oh, well, my mistake then. I wonder why O2 keeps sticking out in my mind tho? That's odd.... Perhaps it was some other news program? On PBS maybe? Anyway, I did a search on O2 fueled cars and got these results: http://www.o2fc.com/ http://greenhummerproject.org/ridelog/89_0_1_0_C/ I think it had to do with liquid O2, but because of it's combustable nature, there were concerns for if people got into accidents. You also need gloves to put the fuel into the car, and there are battery packs for a secondary energy. I also watched something about a guy who increased his mpg by adding additional battery packs, which you can now purchase if you already own a hybrid. I'm sure I'm not getting the whole picture, and maybe it was about hydrogen and oxygen, but for some reason it is nagging at me that it was something more... :-/ sorry |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 19th, 2006, 1:34pm I remember where I read it! It wasn't on TV, but in my Smithsonian magazine! ;;D Now if I hadn't thrown it out after reading it. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by tanner on Apr 19th, 2006, 1:48pm Will you guys please stop this thread !!! I started it with a stupid urban legend that I had fallen for and now you just keep it going!!! I am going to get yelled at for bandwidth hogging if you don't let this die ;;D .......................stupid, naive, tim |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by medic1852 on Apr 19th, 2006, 1:50pm Mell I could swear I seen it somewhere also. I dont know where but I remember it that is why I started looking, either way Hydrogen or Oxygen would be a great source of fuel. There would be a bonus if it were Oxygen powered for us though....... If you driving and get a hit pull over and huff on your fuel tank.... [smiley=crackup.gif] Rodger |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Opus on Apr 19th, 2006, 6:49pm on 04/19/06 at 13:28:53, Melissa wrote:
LOL did you read that link? From the FAQ. Quote:
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Charlie on Apr 19th, 2006, 7:02pm We need some kind of alternative. Gas just hit $3 a gallon here in Jamestown, NY. http://www.subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/0riginals/drive2.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Nobody is casually driving several miles along our lake to get a Tastee Freeze. The future so far hasn't much resembled Arthur C. Clarke's. Get to work kids. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/umnik.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by imnotbub on Apr 20th, 2006, 11:27am I think we're screwed folks. Last years spike to three dollars just showed the oil companies that they can get away with just about anything. We will pay and the government will do nothing. Is there a solution? Maybe, but what's the hurry? Their making a ton of money the way it is. Steve |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Melissa on Apr 20th, 2006, 12:47pm on 04/19/06 at 18:49:08, Opus wrote:
Naw, I just said that is what I got when I did a search, LOL. Pretty funny tho. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by floridian on Apr 20th, 2006, 12:53pm on 04/19/06 at 19:02:52, Charlie wrote:
You'll soon be reminiscing about the good ole days when gasoline was freely available and only cost $3 a gallon, Charlie. Just wait until Bush attacks Iran ... that'll be the lynchpin. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by karma on Apr 20th, 2006, 1:07pm on 04/20/06 at 11:27:35, imnotbub wrote:
This is the kind of rhetoric that makes for great public consumption but makes no sense. Government doesn't belong in private business period! If government were to investigate possible price fixing or cartel like practices thats different but forcing a private company to reduce prices becsause the public thinks it's to high is just wrong. Its the simplest economic law of supply and demand at work. If prices go up and demand remains strong then prices stay up. If prices go up and demand goes down prices will come down. People do NEED to buy gas to survive. Thats a given. When the prices get to high people will reduce consumption thats a given. How many people that can take public transportation? How many people that can carpool? How many people that can have given up the gas guzzling tank for a sipping compact? How many people keep ther car properly tuned and tires properly inflated? How many people have given up keeping the car running so it stays cool or warm while you run into the store? What most people don't consider is that world consumption of fossil fuels is exploding and expected to increase by as much as 70% over the next 30 years in some rapidly expanding ecomomies, namely China and India. We are not the only ones buying oil and that affects the prices. The use of alternative fuel systems is great but will remain on a small scale unless the auto manufacturers become committed to producing them. They won't become committed unless the consumer is willing to accept less performance at a higher price until the technology improves and the cost of manufacturing becomes competetive. Then you have the problem of having two or three or four different technologies being produced that all need different sources of fuel. It will take many, many years for all this to shake out to see what technology is the winner. In the meantime all we can do is use the least amount possible. It will make a difference, it just takes awhile. |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by Charlie on Apr 20th, 2006, 4:29pm I'm sorry. The most prosperous time in our history is the 50s and 60s. The government had its nose into everything and the taxes were the highest. Everybody had decent job and it was one of the rare times when the little guy had a decent break. Even business did well but knew how to toss us a bone now and then. The neocons have fostered an unbelieveable gap between the ultra rich and poor. It's absolutely reverse Robin Hood and anyone that believes anything these greedy CEOS tell you about how tough they have it, is in a fantasy. It's beyond greed, it's criminal. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It Post by medic1852 on Apr 20th, 2006, 4:34pm on 04/20/06 at 16:29:14, Charlie wrote:
WOOOOO HOOOO! finally a statement that I would vote for...Glad to know I am not alone in some of my delusions! Rodger |
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