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Title: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by medic1852 on Apr 15th, 2006, 10:41am I was looking at the Fox News Site, Fair And Balanced as usual. I came across this little tid bit. It is things like this that make me regret bringing children into this world. People are so sick and depraved it is unreal. This is why I think the justice system is messed up and why I think the penal system is too lax, why we need the death penalty. I am sorry to bring such a negative post to everyone on Easter weekend. But then again this is how this child's family will remember Easter for the rest of their lives. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191879,00.html Rodger :'( |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Dragnlance on Apr 15th, 2006, 11:12am I guess I have to add to this too. We need a death penalty to be enforced more often. And lawyers should not be able to lie, just to keep the losers from jail or death. I never have figured out how lawyers can sleep at night when they know the scum did the deed, yet they work so hard to keep them out of jail. I know I wouldn't be able to live with Myself for doing something like that, just for money. [smiley=twocents.gif] Dragn |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by BarbaraD on Apr 15th, 2006, 12:59pm AND they don't need to be on Death Row for 25 or 30 years so they can find God and be redeamed.... They need to be hung at high noon on the town square. The pendulum has swung too far in the wrong direction. I think it's about time this old world got back to some damn basics. Parents need to start taking care of their kids and teaching them some VALUES. Get the damn politicians OUT of OUR lives. THEY don't know what's best for OUR kids! Our schools need to quit worrying so much about sex education and who's touching who and start teaching reading, writing and 'rithemetic again. Get the politicians out of our schools and let the teachers start teaching again! Quit teaching them about drugs!!!! They might not be so interested if they didn't know how bad they were! If people don't work - let them go hungry - they might not be so eager to watch soap operas then! Hell, I'm old and I've got enough wrong with me that I should be taking it easy but I get up and go to work every day - what's wrong with a 20 year old doing the same? I'm sorry, it's just not in me to feel sorry for them because they can't quit having kids. Go to work and you'll be too damn tired to screw around at night! As far as all this crime is concerned - let the prisons be self-supporting - Put the damn prisoners to work - they may not be so eager to go back. Basically we just need to get the government OUT of our lives and start telling our politicians ENOUGH!!!! And I've really got to learn to say what I'm thinking!!!! Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Jonny on Apr 15th, 2006, 1:07pm QUICK!!!!! Somebody kick Mom's soapbox......LMMFAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by jimmers on Apr 15th, 2006, 1:14pm Barb, They say it costs more to execute these animals than it does to keep them alive! I say "Bullshit" One shell for my 300 Winchester Mag. only costs about $2.00 Eye for an Eye! Jimmers |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by medic1852 on Apr 15th, 2006, 1:17pm on 04/15/06 at 12:59:18, BarbaraD wrote:
Barb do you have any thoughts on this matter? [smiley=laugh.gif] As for the welfare folks who just cant seem to find work...I think they should show up at the city hall at 8 am to get a work detail, to either mow city lawns pick up trash clean city offices, what ever their disability will allow. Prisons, yes they should be a nasty place they don't want to be and don't want to go back to. Grow their own food, livestock for meat, and hey there is an interstate that needs to be resurfaced get busy. Teachers should teach, and the politicians shut up and sit down and let us be a society. Quit telling me I should be politically correct, quit telling me I cant do this cause it is immoral, quit telling me you know best for my kids and the Ten Commandment should not be on view. That is just a bunch of horse sh*t. These bleeding hearts have taken away my rights and given them to the criminal, and the derelicts of society. Rodger |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Donna_D. on Apr 15th, 2006, 1:38pm Protect your kids by knowing your surroundings. http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/states.htm An ounce of prevention.... DD |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by BarbaraD on Apr 15th, 2006, 2:13pm That's why I'm building a house in the country -- so I can watch my grandkid and get him back to some basics. Let him learn to work, hunt and play without being afraid of every passing car (our house is high enough up on Red Hill not to worry about traffic). Let him be a KID! Let him learn what it's like to plant a garden and eat what you plant. Let him learn some VALUES that I grew up on..... I'm tired of all this political correctness stuff and having to watch everyone.... Up in the country I KNOW everyone and everyone knows Granny..... It's just time to SLOW down.... At Red Hill we SHOOT people and the high sherrif cleans up the mess..... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Paul98 on Apr 15th, 2006, 9:04pm I agree with all the above posts in this thread. I really think the prison system should get back to basics. All the crime, gang wars and crap that goes on inside prisons you would thing they were still on the streets. Cable, conjative (sp?) visits and having to buss the wife in for it on the taxpayers dime, have to have “my” type of food or I’ll file a law suit. Bullshit!! They should work on a chain gang during the day so by the time they get “home” they will be to tired to start crap. And no BS lawsuits filed by inmates with to much time on their hands. -P. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Dragnlance on Apr 15th, 2006, 9:53pm Dont forget public canings. (anything that deserves corpreal punishment) A split bamboo cane across a sweat back 50 times will correct the would be murders and rapists in a hurry |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Charlie on Apr 15th, 2006, 9:54pm Sad stuff. Hard to deal with. I assume Oklahoma is one of those states with an ineffective death penalty. I'd rather live now than in them good ol' days. I've spent a lot of time dealing in old ephemera. If you think things are bad today, try 100 or 150 years ago. Much more murder, child abuse, wife beating was rarely a crime and fairly common. Child abuse was rarely admitted or prosecuted. I know it's not the popular thing to say. The big difference is that information was filtered by time. Horrible crime stories were often set aside for later editions. A lot were simply not reported to suit churches and politicians.....like the current self righteous bunch would like. Charlie |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by _Lee_ on Apr 15th, 2006, 11:12pm on 04/15/06 at 21:54:01, Charlie wrote:
Sorry to disagree Charlie, last I heard we assassinated more criminals so far this year than TEXAS :o Most of them killed somebody. ;) |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by zwibbs/Scott on Apr 16th, 2006, 7:20am How about the Cop-Killer in Philadelphia who has hunderds of hollywood types----i.e.--Ed Asner, Bruce Springsteen , Norman Mailer......who they want released because he wrote something. This guy went up to the officer and shot him in the face when he was already down !!!! The NYPD held a service outside Madison Square Garden with candles the night Springsteen had a concert, because he also wrote songs against the NYPD ( 41 SHOTS). How in God's name can you ask to have a killer released ?!?!?! But then again Ted Kennedy walks the streets. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by aprilbee on Apr 16th, 2006, 10:39am I live in Oklahoma City...such a horrible story, her sweet face was posted everywhere, with Amber Alerts coming as soon as more information was gathered...it makes me sick to think that she was just under their feet.... :'( |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Jonny on Apr 16th, 2006, 10:43am It turns out that this guy planned on eating the kid. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by BarbaraD on Apr 16th, 2006, 12:01pm Killing is just too good for him. He needs to suffer .... |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by tanner on Apr 16th, 2006, 4:04pm How about the Cop-Killer in Philadelphia who has hundreds of hollywood types----i.e.--Ed Asner, Bruce Springsteen , Norman Mailer......who they want released because he wrote something. Screw them and the fans they rode in on! I used to love the boss now you couldn't pay me to go see him perform. DEATH PENALTY NOW FOR THESE ANIMALS !!! I had better pick this up later because it is Easter and I can't say things as strongly as I would like. Kill Them And Don't spout any crap about cruel and unusual. If you actually buy into that liberal BS move to another country and we can just close our prisons and send these poor misunderstood , in need of psyc. help and had a rotten upbringing BAS##RDS to ive there with you!! .........................tim ..... and I would be happy to pull the trigger! |
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Title: It is truely a Sick Sad World Post by tanner on Apr 16th, 2006, 9:30pm I just got home from Easter dinner with some friends and am so glad that no one else has responded to my last post yet! I want anyone that reads this to know that the tone of my response was entirely wrong. I won't make excuses for my statements because I really do feel that strongly about these issues, however the way that I expressed myself made it look as if I was challenging the political opinions of specific people on this forum and I am not and have no reason to. I welcome any dialog of conflicting opinion but (and I stress this) I am not calling anyone out. My only intent was to make clear the depth of my emotional feelings towards news like this thread started with and make clear that I truly believe the only way to stop this type of heinous behavior is through a zero tolerance approach. There are times in this world where certain people are called on to take another's humans life during war and police type situations. I believe that no one that can do such a thing with no reason or with criminal intent is not a person who can be "fixed" or rehabbed. I don't believe we can build a conscience where there was not one to begin with and I believe the only just remedy for such monsters is death !!! .....sad.................tim |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 16th, 2006, 9:45pm I say... Bring back public burnings at the stake... It'll teach a leason, and provide wholesome entertainment for primetime TV... PFDAN........................................ Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by floridian on Apr 17th, 2006, 1:39pm It's a sad, sick crime. Not sure that the death penalty will act as a deterrent in any way to that kind of person, or to the person who kills in a drunken rage ... those people simply are not rational. But more people would be protected if Americans cared more about mental health than the death penalty - not that someone doesn't deserve life in prison or death for a crime like this, just that if could have been prevented in the first place, then a family would be living with their daughter instead of the 'satisfaction' of seeing her killer put to death. Just got back from the Bahamas - had a curious encounter with an old man who was obviously not right in the head. We left tourist-town and were off the beaten track, eating in a small dive in a narrow alley. This guy was walking with a cane, and every five or ten steps, he would stop and do a little dance, or shout out at unseen people. He came up to us, and alternated between rational sentences, idea fixations, and complete nonsense. While most people with mental illnesses are not a threat to others, failure to treat them does have a high cost for society. And the cannibal killer in Oklahoma knew he had mental problems, but wasn't getting the appropriate treatment - not sure if that was a decison he made or not or if the care was available to him. on 04/15/06 at 13:17:21, medic1852 wrote:
??? So you don't want people telling you what is moral or immoral, but you do want people to put up religious tablets telling what people can and can't do, which god to worship, not to be greedy, which days to work and which days to pray, and not to take the Lord's name in vain? In a post-rational world, your comments make complete sense. on 04/15/06 at 13:17:21, BarbaraD wrote:
??? You are kidding, right? A few lectures a year in health class, a visit from Officer DARE, and posters on the wall are responsible for the drug problems?? While most drug prevention programs are unproven, they came After the increase in drug use. Illegal drug use generally spreads from peer to peer, and legal addictions (alcohol, tobacco) are via peers and a person's own family. The youth anti-smoking campaigns in Florida were having dramatic results, until the legislature here slashed funding. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by BobG on Apr 17th, 2006, 1:52pm on 04/15/06 at 13:17:21, medic1852 wrote:
Years ago Ronald Reagan tried that in California. Got his ass sued by the touchy-feely-huggy-kissyface freaks. Had to call the program off. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Charlie on Apr 17th, 2006, 4:42pm Quote:
Fine with me so long as I don't have to trip over the thing. I don't remember who it was but someone once said that perhaps something that would satisfy both sides would be for a member the victim's family to show up regularly in his cell and clobber the guy within an inch or so of his life..... or perhaps force him to watch Lockup all day long. Charlie |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 17th, 2006, 9:47pm One thing people seem to miss - the prison system is ineffective because it is about making money - nothing more. The lefts want rehabilitation and the rights want to grind people to paste - the system is too lazy for either and both sides assume the other side to blame. Because something pisses of a liberal doesn't mean a conservative is behind it and vice-versa - there usually is a THIRD side in about every controversal or political issue. You all believing in poltical sides are being played and laughed at by the people you trust and respect for some reason. They don't give 2 drops of piss about you as long as they keep making money and you keep doing the dirty work for them. The American system is broke because some people decided they can beat the system and 1/2 joined the left and the other half joined the right (and this is whether they realize it or not) and together they are screwing everybody while the people are arguing over irrational takes and having pissing contests inthe wind. Anyone who trys to put aside the personal interests and really get something done (or even just mind their own business) gets a red-white and blue dildo in the ass until they submit and go back to being a sheep who sees in left or right only, thus rendering themselves powerless. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by steveinthephils on Apr 18th, 2006, 3:58am Hi All, I'm a 45yo Brit guy fairly new here, living up in a remote Philippines mountain top. We have an excellent 'unofficial' justice system up here, the NPA. My town has 35,000 locals and half a dozen foreigners including myself with 4 police to protect us. In reality, the police stay in at night as this is when the 200+ NPA rebels are roaming around. The NPA (New Peoples Army) are a Marxist / Commy group who are literally at war with the Philippines Army and Police and are listed on the US State Depts terrorist list. Sadly, when the US forces were based nearby here they were also targetted. My friends in Manila won't travel here for fear of their safety and my Embassy posts warnings. Reality is, they make this a very safe place. I think of them like Robin Hood vs the Evil Sherriff. I'm not remotely a communist sympathiser, I never met my grandafther after Stalin sent him off for 26 years in Siberia, but these guys are cool in my book. We have a good mayor and police chief today, but years ago this was not the case. Drug dealers openly sold drugs in the High School and the authorities would not act. The locals sought help from the NPA and in the morning they woke to find a major dealer hanging from a tree in the central square. The note on his chest suggested the other dealers leave town by sunset - and they did. We have never had a drug problem since. I've heard some pretty gory stories of their meting out justice to child molesters. A European who travelled this way regularly from nearby Angeles City looking for prey disappeared never to be found. Locals told me of a barbecue... So here I live in a 'lawless' environment amidst a terrorist group where big city locals won't go - and I walk any street alone day or night. A few nights after my 6yo joined me here, after I wrested custody from an abusive mother, I was having a quiet beer on a street corner with locals. A local guy known to be an NPA 'liason' that I know sat and joined me. He started the conversation by saying 'they' had noticed my son here now... ...and that he seemed a nice boy... I wondered where this was heading. He went on to explain that my eyes can't always be watching him - so not to worry - their's would - "your son is safe here - relax" Maybe more societies need terrorists on their turf like the ones I have here? The worst they've ever given me is a hangover and my family is very safe... Bit of an alternative point of view! ;-) Cheers Steve |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by BarbaraD on Apr 18th, 2006, 6:55am Steve, You've got a point there. The old vigilantee justice system. It worked in the "old" days to clean up the old wild west (not being sarcastic). People watched out after each other and when trouble started, they cleaned it up themselves and lived in realative safety. THEN we got civilized and look what happened! When I was growing up we were "taught" to respent our elders - not to sass them. Grown ups were Miss Jones or Mr. Smith NOT Ms Mary or Mr. Jim. ONE teacher controlled a classroom - we didn't have a dozen aides - didn't need them - we had parents we didn't want to be called to school! We had a few perverts in our town that I remember, but the TOWN took care of them and they didn't stay long. And it never got in the papers. We didn't have the "bleeding hearts" to plead their cases of their being "sick" - they were perverts and needed to go to jail! And back in those days, jail wasn't something to look forward to - it was PRISON! There's a lot to be said for vigilantee justice -- and if things don't change we're gonna have to get back to it just to protect what's ours. It's a shame, but I guess things just don't change much in this old world... the old becomes new.... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by deltadarlin on Apr 18th, 2006, 7:57am on 04/18/06 at 06:55:46, BarbaraD wrote:
*Miss Mary or Mr. Jim* was perfectly acceptable if I knew the people well enough. My mama would have beat my a$$ if I misbehaved. Respect is respect, no matter what title you use. My nieces and nephews were not taught *yes ma'm* or any of the niceties that we in the south tend to teach, BUT they are some of the most respectful people I know. And yes, my daughter uses *Ms so and so* for friends and she's one of the best behaved and well-manneredyoung adults that you will ever meet. on 04/18/06 at 06:55:46, BarbaraD wrote:
You're right, they just went to the next town or someplace new. For those of you who decry the death penalty, think on this~no, it probably doesn't deter others from commiting a crime, but the person who commited the crime, damn well won't do it again. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by steveinthephils on Apr 18th, 2006, 3:56pm Hi All, For me the death penalty is a tricky issue. Not for the morality or the rights or wrongs of it - but in the fact that we get it wrong sometimes. We can and have executed the wrong people. I had an experience a few years ago where my son in the Philippines (he was 3yo then) was living in a different rural area to where I live here. I'd leased a small plot and they were building a house. I was working in Malaysia sending money, getting email pics of progress etc. With the house near complete and occupied, I got a phonecall from the mother to say that a minor local official, the owner of the land, wanted to now take it back despite our lease. He wanted the house, albeit a very modest dwelling. She refused and the next night 'burglars' broke in beating her and sending her de facto husband to hospital with machete wounds. Stupidly, two days later she went to the market early morning leaving my son alone asleep. The same people returned and set fire to the timber roofed house, with my son inside. Thank God the neighbours braved the flames and pulled out my son. They moved to a nearby house and set about rebuilding. Two days later they got another threat. I felt helpless, thousands of miles away, kmowing there is no law and order in the Philippines you can rely on. Besides, the main culprits were friends of the local mayor and police seargant. I rang a friend in the Phils, a middle aged local gangster with a seriously nasty reputation, but one who had always been good to me. When I ran a business here before I hired his nieces for the office. I asked him to just turn up there and show his face and let the locals know that he would look out for my son, and he agreed. Two days later I got another phone call. A mystery stranger had turned up and befriended the two culprits, sitting and drinking and playing cards with them all night. When everyone else had gone except for the three of them, the stranger emptied a pistol into their heads and rode away, never to be seen again or found. My son and his mother left town on my advice, but until they did, nobody bothered them. The friend I rang only smiles when I ask him what happened, so I don't ask any more. Sure the culprits may have had other enemies, but I think I know who sent the stranger. Now, do I feel remotely guilty? No. Do I lose a minute's sleep knowing I was likely responsible for cold blooded murder? No. Did I feel relief that my son was now safe? TOTALLY!! Do I feel remorse that two low-lifes, that would burn down a house with a child inside to steal a measly patch of land back are no longer sharing our planet? The key is there was no doubt whatsoever on who was guilty, and more importantly, they CONTINUED to pose a clear and present danger to my child. So do many in jail who get paroled and re-offend. And I'm the guy that helps strangers, brings home stray kittens, rehabs wounded pigeons. Hurting someone is so totally against the grain with me - but I guess the protective parental instincts over-ride all these niceties. Unfortunately history shows us that the judicial system is not flawless. We can and do convict the wrong person and if they are executed, a pardon is meaningless. Some people are beyond rehabilitation, they are and will remain totally evil. If there is no shadow of a doubt, execution is fine by me. Otherwise life without parole at least gets them away from the innocents permanently. Just my ten cents... Cheers Steve |
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Title: is a small towsRe: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by KennM on Apr 19th, 2006, 1:43am Luckily, here in OK we have the death penality. I truely feel for her parents and the community of Purcel. I've been making my 13 year old watch the news at night, and she has finally shut down her My-Space and Xanga sites. Maybe I was harping at her for a reason other than to "ruin her life" Man, I miss being a teenager and knowing it all |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by rickyshot on Apr 19th, 2006, 11:17am Agree with Barb, Steve and Delta on this one. Who gives a fuck about deterring the next one. There are no deterents for the truly evil. They just need to be removed from this world and go to their maker for final judgement. At least the ones who are caught and found guilty won't damn well do it again as Delta said and the overwhelming statistics for these type of folk is very sad. They always do it again if got the chance and while in prison fantasize about what they did and what they will do when they get out. I am very draconian about child molesters. Anyone who uses a child that way or tortures a child should be put to death pure and simple, whether they end up murdering the child or not. When will we stand up for ourselves . Shit we shoot rabid dogs and those dogs are nothing compared to some of these sick fucks running loose. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by medic1852 on Apr 19th, 2006, 2:08pm Well I did not want to start a new thread on basically the same subject but I read something on the news yesterday and have not been able to find anymore on it. I figure because it is not sick and depraved. Anyways what it was there was a 26 year old gentleman who looked up to sexual predators in his local town went to their house and shot them both. Then when confronted by the police he turned the gun on himself and committed suicide. In my opinion the police should have showed up with a marching band a white flag and a big medal and a nice check for a lump sum for community service. Rodger |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by rickyshot on Apr 19th, 2006, 2:52pm I heard that story too Rog but this guy sounded a little nutz himself committing suicide. Anyways this world is all ass backwards. WE call right wrong and wrong right. How is it we glibly legalize abortion killing millions of babies but keep devils incarnate alive after raping , torturing and murdering children? And most of the people who are pro abortion are anti death penalty. Go figure............ >:( Stepping off the soapbox and backing out slowly..... ::) |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by medic1852 on Apr 19th, 2006, 3:09pm on 04/19/06 at 14:52:40, rickyshot wrote:
My guess on him being nuts is that with his age, I am thinking he may have been a victim. I am going to open a can of worms on your next comment. But I believe abortion should be legal. The reason I do is so that a woman raped or a victim of incest needs to have a venue as to a way to get rid of something she did not want. This needs to be done in a way that is healthy and better for her. If a woman wants an abortion bad enough she will find a way to do it. So why not make it legal so that she can go to a doctor and have the procedure done in the safest way possible. Now I am not saying it should be a form of birth control, because god knows that my wife would not be here if her real mother had chosen abortion, (Amy~do is adopted). But I feel that abortion should be an option. I am not a woman and it is not my business nor is it the business of the government. I believe in the death penalty and I feel that the punishment should fit the crime. I think it should be an eye for an eye. Quit coddling the bad guys and punish them. Sorry Rodger |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by rickyshot on Apr 19th, 2006, 3:17pm I too believe in abortion for cases of rape or incest. You are still killing the baby but the reasons behind it seperate it from murder I. I don ';t agree with "therapeutic " abortions. Anyhoo my point is that the majority of people who believe in general abortions seem to be anti death penalty for the evil amongst us which is a great paradox IMHO. They march and fight for the bastards rights after they are found guilty but no tears for the unborn. They do not feel killing the guilty accomplishes anything. To me it does. It rids the world of one less evil. Poor little girl. The grave is crying out for justice. I pray she was dead before he got really carried aways with his other heinous deeds. :'( |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by medic1852 on Apr 19th, 2006, 3:24pm Ricky I am going to back out of this one, since abortion is such a touchy subject with a lot of folks. I will talk it on my yahoo Medic1852 or pm me here. But there is just too much to say and too many feelings about it. I agree with some of what you said. Thanks Rodger |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 19th, 2006, 6:38pm on 04/19/06 at 15:17:15, rickyshot wrote:
I agree with you but would also point out the inverse is true as well - and the parodox the exact same to me. I am pro-abortion and pro-death penalty. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Charlie on Apr 19th, 2006, 7:13pm I make this post now and then. Although I will say that you have to give Catohics a break. At least they are consistant. I don't reply. It's bad enough. Okay; you win. Abortion is just plain horrible; but: If you think we have a lot of late term abortions now, just make it illegal. Dumpsters will be full of the results of badly done aborted babies resulting from attempts by backroom abortionists or even some parents. A ban on abortion will result in more abandoned children because women will have no choice in the matter. There will be large increases in child abuse, sodomy, illness, malnutrition, and countless broken homes because of imprisoned parents sending their other kids to live with tired grandparents, or perhaps inept or even cruel relatives. Today, thanks to endless rhetoric, every teenager knows what to do because of the rantings by anti-abortionists. It's they, not the clinics that have made it so well-known and something to consider. Of course, it will be celebrated by many and from pulpits by those not concerned of the consequences of their actions. A ban will be a direct cause of great pain and misery for children, parents, relatives, hospitals, doctors, law enforcement, and for society. For now, anti-abortions say: "Are you pregnant? Wonderful, how can we help?" That's as far as it goes, however. In effect it's: Pre-birth; all you need. Pre-school; goodbye, you're on your own. Most of all, this kind of legislation hurts children, lots of them. Charlie |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by steveinthephils on Apr 19th, 2006, 7:17pm Hi All, I read this story when it first came out - the man is a hero: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3170154.stm A British guy living in Denmark, a convicted pedophile making moves on his 9yo daughter, police wouldn't act, pedophile wouldn't stop his advances - so the father shot him. Now he's in a maximum security jail with some of the toughest cons in the country and you read: ...Although he received a tougher than usual jail sentence - the average convicted murderer in Denmark is normally given 12 years - Hoath has become something of a cult figure. His lawyer Peter Jarner says his fellow prisoners treat him as a hero as do many ordinary Danes. "Inside the prison walls he is a hero. No doubt about that. And when you talk to people in the street and explain the case they say, 'If anyone had abused my daughter I'd have done the same'." ... Hat's off to father who protects his child no matter what the consequences Cheers Steve |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by rickyshot on Apr 20th, 2006, 8:26am Hats off indeed to that father [smiley=bigguns.gif] but unfortunately he cannot protect his daughter while in jail. What a stupid world.................. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Carl_D on Apr 20th, 2006, 6:06pm on 04/18/06 at 15:56:44, steveinthephils wrote:
Exactly. However in a case this cut and dried - I say bring back public lynchings!!! That sick fuck shouldn't be allowed to take one more breath! Peace, Carl D |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 20th, 2006, 7:39pm Just a few hundred years ago (think about the nearness of that time period) the US government embraced religious teachings in the courthouse. Then they decided the evidence was "cut and dried" that 20 some people sold their souls to satan to become witches and were terrorizing the fellow townspeople so they hung them, burned them, drownded them, and crushed them under rocks. Ooops. One exapmple I picked from the possible hundreds, maybe thousands. What most people nowdays don't get is that people changed from the "good old days" because they wern't so good..... if they were people wouldn't have wanted to change - people usually try to keep "good" things. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Neekwa on Apr 20th, 2006, 10:10pm Not really sure here, but I'm guessing this is about the sicko that attempted to cannibalize his little neighbor girl. As far as the death penalty goes, I say do away with that for capital punishment. Instead reverse engineer how these severe cluster headache bouts work, and install them on these people to run full tilt non stop. After a full day and night straight thru of extreme CH pain, depriving them of the death penalty would be the ultimate form of punishment. |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by Carl_D on Apr 21st, 2006, 12:05am on 04/20/06 at 19:39:02, superhawk2300 wrote:
Was the remains of the said victim found in the resident closet of the accusor? Had he previously "joked' about eating a human? Were there barbeque skewers found among the victims remains? Did he admit it? This is beyond the witch trial accusations. I rest my case! Jeffrey Dahmer even owned up to what he did. And he got his just reward. So should this fuck!!! There IS a line between justice and madness. STOP the madness! War and Peace, Carl D |
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Title: Re: It is truely a SICK SAD WORLD! Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 21st, 2006, 9:16am Carl_D, Good post my man, and for the rescod I am not trying to get in your grill or anything, just tossing stuff out.... I guess my point is no matter what happens everything is relative, and the reason our consitution is the way it is, is because it takes so very little for "madness" to become the "normal". It is like a backache, at first is just is a little pain that can be tolorated, but over time it increases so slowly that one can't tell it is 100 times worse that when it had started. Look at Nazi Germany, Hitler fooled MILLIONS of people into thinking what he was doing was "God's good". It didn't take just overnight, but a long progression of the slightest changes to public opinion. One of the first Crusades - the Church's Crusaders, ironicly enough, barbequed on open spits and ate the children of the "heathens" they killed, because the then current version of the Bible told them to. I am not defending this person, and if it was my child I'd do the killing myself, perhaps, which to me is perhaps the way it should be. I don't think the public has any place for it. To me, America is not about hypocracy. What is the gain in a public execution? It would not deter future acts like this from occuring, but it would incite for more public executions and breed fear amoung citizens. And then we are one step away to the witch trials, is my point. And there is no doubt, that the witch trial folks were just as sure about their case as you are about this one. I think if I were to take joy in anyone suffering and dying, I would be no better off than this perp. He took joy in his victims suffering, someone he deemed deservered it, whether others agree or not. Like I wouldn't agree with those people making this person suffer - would that mean I should then make those people suffer? We are talking in absolutes here, life and death, or rather life OR death. I like principals, thats all. I am for this person no longer living, I just don't see how making them suffer will help anything. In fact it MAY make the victims family feel worse - I guess they should have the say, not the angry mob. I mean, what business is it of mine to demand a certian thing come from this so *I* get to feel better about it. And what would make me feel "good" about someone else suffering anyways? Seems an unnatrualway toget to feel"good" to me. I guess it concerns me that there are as many people as there is out there capable of torturing other humans if they meet "X" criteria. And I am not just talking about the mentally ill people like in this case - there apparently are many more "normal" people capable of the same acts as this guy - theyjust have a different condition upon which it is accpetable to them - add that everyone's conditons are variable, from person to person, and I have no problem letting this work its way through the US justice system. No, the system isn't perfect, but the Dahmer case ended just fine to me. You seem to talking about revenge to me, not justice. Just my thoughts man, about me, nothing about you except your welcome thoughts triggered mine. Peace out Jamey |
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