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Title: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Melissa on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:54pm Once again, I am heavy. I weigh 172.5lbs and cannot get it to budge at all. I'm a lot more solid than I used to be, but it's tearing me apart inside. :'( I want to know how, after so many years of going up and down, and being called names when I was a kid cause of my weight, being taken advantage of, slapped in the face because my self esteem was rock bottom, HOW in God's name do you not let it bother you??? There are times when I feel confident of myself, and then there are times, like now, where the pain in my heart is so heavy because I have struggled for so long to look good and be attractive. I know there are some who will say it has nothing to do with the outside, but after you're fat for so many years, and you lose a ton of weight and so many are saying how great you look, then that must have meant I looked horrible before?? There are couple people here who have always told me I look beautfiul, before and after weight loss, and for that, I love you guys so much!!! I am just having a really difficult time right now in my life. I have this damned spare tire that will NOT disappear no matter how many crunches I do and my neighbor lady said to me, "welcome to middle age!". OMG, is this what it's like???? JIMI, I want to get to the point where it doesn't matter to me anymore!!!!! :'( :'( :'( I know, I know, "mel....., kwitcherbitchin!!!". :-[ |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Melissa on Apr 4th, 2006, 2:08pm No responses needed, I just needed to get that out and feel much better now. *deep breath* THANK YOU!!!!!!! Now that I'm done being shallow, back to your regularly scheduled programming. ;) |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 4th, 2006, 2:15pm Not shallow at all Mel, and 30 is HARDLY middle age. You are a beautiful person inside and out and it could be that you've just hit one of those plateaus people talk about. That means you need to keep doing what you're doing and wait for the metabolism to kick back in. Linda |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Melissa on Apr 4th, 2006, 2:35pm Linda, I'm tired. I've spent the last 20 years worrying about my weight. Ever since I had my daughter, I've stopped doing things I love because I was afraid I'd look "fat" in a swimsuit. I did look good for a little while about 2 years ago, and I did take a picture of myself in a suit (2 piece even!) because I was so proud. But I think it's safe to say I'll probably never look like that again. I'm ready to say "fuck it". It's either busting my ass and being miserable, or enjoying my life and not worrying. My husband loves me for who I am and my kids aren't cracking any jokes....yet. :-/ I gotta go talk to hubby's aunt, she's active in her son's Boy Scouts, goes hiking and canoeing and camping, but isn't a small lady. She's built, not thin and about the same size as me. She doesn't even look at her hair just before she leaves to go shopping, LOL!! I love that. :) |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Woobie on Apr 4th, 2006, 2:37pm hey mel ive been heavy all my life - made fun of when i was a kid... hell, the kids on my street even had a song they made up for me .. which they sang every time i went outside, and i still remember every single word to it. i used to care - and no matter what i did - i would be within 5-10 pounds. Now, with my medical condition, there's nothing I can do about it. So, I stopped caring. I eat healthy, and that's about all I can do. I have a husband who loves me no matter what, and he understands. That's all I need. Sure, it would be nice to be skinnier.. and i would love to be able to dress in all those cool clothes, but you know what? I cant afford those clothes anyway ;;D Love you anyhow tina |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by LeLimey on Apr 4th, 2006, 2:41pm on 04/04/06 at 14:35:44, Melissa wrote:
That must definitely be an age thing.. neither do I! Like me or lump me, I care not. I'm comfortable in my own skin and if "you" can't see past (the acres of it!) then it's "your" loss not mine! Anyone who can't see past your size is half the person they should be and you're twice the woman they deserve to know. You're lovely Melly, inside AND out - what more could anyone want from a friend?! lots of love Helen |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Woobie on Apr 4th, 2006, 2:42pm Oh - and I forgot to say........ Life is too frikkin short to worry about it. You can spend your life worrying about what you eat and spend all your extra time excersicing....and guess what - you could get hit by a car tomorrow... After having a friend who ate right, excersised and never drank or did drugs, die of a heart attack at age 33, I figure.........what the hell........ I also have an aunt who's smoked for 60 years, never eats right, never excersices, and is fat as hell, drinks like a fish, and she's almost 90 years old, and still relatively healthy. go figure. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Melissa on Apr 4th, 2006, 2:51pm Tina and Helen, have I told you before how much I admire both of you? Everyone loves you for who you are, as I do. You're both people who when you talk, an ear is always leaning more toward you to listen, because they always want to hear what you have to say. You are both fiesty, loving, caring, funny and spectacular. I want to be just like you.... Thank you. [smiley=hug.gif] |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 4th, 2006, 3:33pm The way I see it... I'd rather be fat and happy than thin and miserable... Ya know what they say... Don't trust a thin cook... If we were meant to be thin, then why did God create chocolate. The only problem I have with bein' overweight is that I have to spend an extra $3 on pants at Walmart... PFDAN..................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by cootie on Apr 4th, 2006, 3:53pm I ENVY people that don't worry about weight and looks.......I will be honest and say I am NEUROTIC about my weight and hair and clothes and style. Hey.....I'm an honest typea girl. I've always been that way in one form or the other. I still LOVE to wear the coolest clothes too and we go out alot to see bands and social stuff and parties and campouts ect ect ect. I do it for 'myself' tho and am my own self's worst critic. But ya know what.....I get teased and razzed cuz of my small size.......people act like there pissed at me I am smaller then them or wear cool stuff 'I wear cuz I like it".......so there's really NO WINNING here......it's what you like and what you wanna be or look like that counts.......and most of all it is what is inside !!!!!! I'm not a big eater but I could be.....I try to balance it out tho.......I eat what I want for dinner (no diet food or low fat or calorie stuff) but I just try not to eat alot inbetween meals. I am on the 'don't eat so much diet' I guess you could say. I gained over 20 lbs on paxil and took me about 6 months to even get any of that weight to BUDGE.......I jus stay active and when busy yer not eating so much. Late at nite is when I wanna eat an entire cow when nothing is goin on and too late to be busy and jus sittin watchin tv. Workin out wit some sort of excercise program can help wether ya buy her own stuff or probly best of all join a club so you are more apt to show up. When you exercise with some sort of routine it is a GOOD habit that begins to be hard to break and ya get a bit more 'health concious' and it all works hand in hand. If I blow my diet and eat a couple candy bars or cake or ice cream inbetween meals I am craveing it 24/7. So guess it's got a little to do with control the same as smokein or quittin has. I DON'T LIKE MYSELF when I am over a certain weight and I am very hard on myself......so I try to keep it within bounds. My jeans get too tight I do NOT go out and buy a bigger pair. But if you can be comfortable with where yer at and just get some sort of workout program to tone yourself up a bit you may be suprised and don't have to go on some strict diet that is impossible to keep up with. Most people I know that have lost alot of weight go thru a faze with it and are real strict and loveing there results then they get comfortable and blow it again and give up. Several of my freinds have had that stomach surgery and they lost alot of weight but are slowly gaining some back rite now but they still look good.....but it was a drastic measure. One freind almost died a few times and could not keep anything down and about starved. We really are what we eat Pam I think ya look cute as heck Mel........find a ZONE and just stay with that and like I said maybe an exercise program will add tone and you like what ya see verses try to get or stay thin. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by zwibbs/Scott on Apr 4th, 2006, 4:25pm Melissa----you are beautiful and never forget it. I'm sorry for posting the picture of the fat dude. I would never want you to think that I am an insensitive person. I am not. You have always been one of my favorites----and you can do whatever you want to do !!!Just believe in yourself and everything will follow !!! |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by FramCire on Apr 4th, 2006, 4:27pm The easiest way to not let your weight get you down is to learn to love yourself not your body. I (and many of my friends) struggle with weight and the only thing I can tell you that works most often is gaining a love for the person you are BEFORE you lose the weight. Women seriously have to stop looking in a mirror to evaluate themselves. You seem like a really good person from the little I know of you and you need to frecognize the good in you and embrace it. Honestly, who the heck cares about how others view you anyway. If you are a good but overweight person isn't that a heck of a lot better than a trim jerk (like Jonny ;) ... sorry had to take my shots, chewy told me to). Anyway, if you start to feel really depressed, send me a PM and I would be happy to chat with you sometime. Anyway, smile and make a list of the things about yourself that you like and keep it in your pocket. When you feel yourself stressing over your weight or about to eat something you shouldn't.... pull out the list and remind yourself why you shouldn't be doing it and smile and walk away from the bad feelings/actions. Small successes in a person who loves themselves can turn into large successes easily. (Note: I struggle with this as well because it is easier said than done.) |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by Jonny on Apr 4th, 2006, 4:44pm on 04/04/06 at 16:27:43, FramCire wrote:
Excuse me!!!...But back in 1998 I was 40 pounds over the weight I am now and I was still a jerk! ;;D Up till then I always had the same size waist as I did when I graduated high school, I do know a little sumpin sumpin about the subject at hand. BTW....Does Chewy know hes giving Sean oral at my cookout? |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Richr8 on Apr 4th, 2006, 4:46pm [quote author=Melissa link=board=general;num=1144176853;start=0#0 date=04/04/06 at 13:54:12]I have this damned spare tire that will NOT disappear[/quote] I love muffin tops. ;;D I always have, and always will (I think), be above the recommended norms for weight. My goal has long ago diminished to reach a level where I feel good, which is a ways above what the charts say I should be. Striving to reach published standards for many of us simply ain't happening and leads to chronic ongoing frustration and depression. Do the best you can and if you are in shape enough to do the things you want to do, then that's good enough. Don't try to live up to someone elses standards. You bring kindness and joy to many people. Leave some for youself. Rich |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by pattik on Apr 4th, 2006, 5:00pm Mel, One of the things a really like about this board is that you can get to know people over time without a lot of the interference of the visual stuff. Of course we post pics too, but the words come through much stronger. So even though we haven't met yet, I already have wonderful impressions of you which have nothing to do with how you look. I don't think that most others judge us nearly as critically as we do to ourselves. I know that I have to keep reminding myself of that fairly often. Just try to remember how you are thinking during those time when you are feeling positive about yourself so that you can make it happen more often. Hugs, Patti |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by TxBasslady on Apr 4th, 2006, 5:26pm Melissa, You know that what counts is on the inside! :-* I understand how you feel....I used to be there a few years ago. You've had some rough times in the past year...try and not worry about everything at once. You're still young..and believe me...it's a helluva lot easier to lose it at your age, than to lose it at mine. :P We love you just as you are....never forget that. Jean |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Jasmyn on Apr 4th, 2006, 5:39pm Mel, I like you, just be who you already are. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by minnie on Apr 4th, 2006, 5:47pm Mel I am sorry but I have no answer for your question because I am suffering from the same thing as you.what I'm gonna write is probably no good for you but here goes.by the way you are a beautiful person inside and out you have a beautiful smile and definatley have a leg up opn me cuz I am not cute plus I'm fat.here goes the pity party for myself grab a towel and join in :-/ I used to be called skinny minnie as a kid and they meant it .Not anymore though I have had problems with my 2 c-section,a hysterectomy and back surgery some of which may have been needed in part cuz of weight.I had mennengitis was sick a month before and months after diagnosis.couldn't eat anything guess what never lost a pound !! hysterectomy never lost a pound even though I lost one ovary and my uterous :-/ .tis life I swear I look at food and gain weight.I am a half ass eater as in I don't eat super healthy but not extremely bad. my worse habit is my coffee flavored sugarwater(what Billy and my parents call it LOL) every morning.I will be getting out walking more again now that spring is here when my back allows. As people may know here this has been a very hard year for me and my family.My marriage to Billy has ended and I am working hard at my new role as co-parent and friend.Somedays are better then others.as a side note I want people to understand that Billy and I are friends and theirby I really hope everyone keeps freindships with both of us.Back in Febuary I lost a lot of whieght I went from a 24 Jean down to a 14-16 jean yeah me.most people didn't know about our impending seperation (he didn't move out til September) . Needless to say everyone kept asking me what my secret was.I didn't say that you can't eat when you are dying inside.It's amazing that so far through this all I haven't died.It seems like your heart is so broken you will surely die and honestly I wanted to except my kids gave me the will to live.Everyday I wake up I do it for my daughters.Zanax and lexepro plus time are helping me get my feet on the ground and life is getting better(even been on a few dates with a sweet guy) Now back to the weight and I do mean back to the weight I am in 18-20's now and the depression over my weight is back.I so badly am thinking about going back to eating once every 4 days.please no lectures I can live off the fat of my land for years.Softball seoson is starting so Ill be taking the girls to the park and we will be practicing and I will be walking as much as my back allows.hopefully the excercize will help.I look in the mirror and see this ugly fat person but that usually not how I feel.I sometimes feel older the my 36 years because of my back but thats a different story.I just want to look like I feel :-[ :'( .I don't think I ever will but I am at the point I will try most anything.Oh well pity party over.no need to respond I'm just letting Mel know good or bad your not alone in feeling upset about the weight.take pride in the fact you have a man that loves you and accepts you just like you are.being newly single and thinking of going back to dating at my age weight and looking like me well just say scary and depressing.minnie who may just duck under the covers for a few years. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Langa on Apr 4th, 2006, 5:55pm Mel, hang in there Sis...you are so far from middle age it's not even funny. I'm 37, i'm closer to middle age... :-/ And frankly I don't care. I was pretty heavy 2 years ago and lost almost 70 pounds during a bad divorce. It's still off, but my boobs and butt are still big, can't do nothing about those...and my doctor had the nerve to tell me I had to lose 30 more pounds to be at my Optimum weight...I almost told him to kiss my fat Puerto Rican ass and went home and bought some ice cream...(couldn't find donuts ::)) ;;D You are gorgeous lady inside and out and you are loved for YOU... Langa |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Ree on Apr 4th, 2006, 5:59pm Heyyyyy~~ Heres Ree too and I know alot of you would say Im not very big either. I actually have never had a weight problem in my life due to the fact that I am a nervous itch and usually lose my appetite when stressed that is til the WAR... Everyone knows that I have kids in the service and going on my 4th deployment. I have never looked to food for comfort but I have to say if the world was ever going to end~ I will get a bottle of my favorite liquor and a quart of chocolate heath bar crunch ice cream and devour both lickin my chops all the while...... If we could figure out Cooties secret we would all be sexy babys... she is gorgeous... I have discovered, that in my 40's my metabolism has changed big time... over the past year I have gained an extra 10 lbs that I dont want either. Well sure I've never had a problem so I thought I'll just eat salad for a few weeks... nuthin......I'm now eating only veggies.....soup... salad......and nuthin..... it won't budge. I've started walking again and I know that this will eventually help... I refuse to buy bigger clothes. (Actually I can't afford them) I think you are gorgeous Melly.... all I can say is move... thats the only thing that I think is out of my equasion... and I know it makes me feel better too...love ree |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by broomhilda on Apr 4th, 2006, 6:07pm Mel, you are beautiful inside and out, it shines through your giving heart and your beautiful smile! Find it within yourself the balance you need and don't be so tough on yourself, you have so many gifts to give to your family, including your true self... Big huge hugs |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Ree on Apr 4th, 2006, 6:09pm Minnie... ask the doc if you can take Zoloft or Welbutrin. Lexapro is known for its weight gaining side effects. I have friends that had to go off because of the quick weight gain. I hate that drug... there are others that dont cause weight gain. love ree ps Meds are a big factor in weight problems in the cluster world. Dave has been fighting weight gain from clonazepam and I know there are several people here that have had their bodies changed forever by prednisone... |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by Jonny on Apr 4th, 2006, 6:28pm on 04/04/06 at 18:09:29, Ree wrote:
Yes, 41 pounds! Most of you have already seen half naked pics of me ;;D.....add 40 pounds to that. I one day unknowingly started eating different, a half sandwhich when I got hungry....couple pieces of toast a few hours later when I felt it again. I was eating five times a day, four really small and a decent supper. Someone told me later (fitness trainer) that when you eat (Big/small meal) your metabolism kicks in but for only so long. when you eat again it kicks back up, by eating small every 3-4 hours you keep the metabolism going. I lost the 40 in under a year....I was 36 years old at the time. Not sure why im typing this, but thats what happen to me. Mel, I loved you the first time I met you and I loved you in the smoking room....Your loved!! :-* |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by alienspacebabe on Apr 4th, 2006, 7:30pm I have no idea how some people do it. If it were easy, there wouldn't be so many large people out there. If it were easy, the diet industry wouldn't be one of the biggest industries. I lost over one hundred pounds while I was working full-time, attending college full-time, and raising two kids (one with severe ADHD). It was lack of time to eat, and overuse of my body running to classes, to work, and after the kids. I don't recommend it. (Yes, I've kept it off, plus thirty more pounds) Now? Now I think I'll probably be stuck near my current weight for a long time. I can see that I'm pretty now, and don't listen to those who say I'd be even prettier if I lost more weight. You're beautiful Mel - always have been, always will be. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Paul98 on Apr 4th, 2006, 8:03pm Mel- Women (and to some degree men) have been brainwashed into what their body should look like. The ideal form has changed quite a bit over time. In medieval times, hefty was attractive, in the 1920’s skinny was in, and then came the 50’s. Ever see a picture of Marilyn Monroe? She was rather “curvaceous” and I’m not talking about her chest. Have you ever seen a woman that has been sucked, plucked, pinched, pumped, sandblasted and botoxed? Not a pretty sight with few clothes on. In 20 years when gravity works it’s magic on them they will be down right scary. The way I see it Mel, you are attractive, you have a good family and you have a good heart and mind. THAT is what counts in life!!! A person may have a perfect body and be a total jackass. All it makes him or her is a perfect jackass and no diet or exercise will change that. Take Jonny’s advice, limit the carbos and alcohol and stay active. -P. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by Donna_D. on Apr 4th, 2006, 8:10pm on 04/04/06 at 18:09:29, Ree wrote:
....guilty as charged. I've never been "thin" but I have (for the most part) always been happy. Prednisone has packed on pounds especially in the last year that will take me forever to lose. You just need to remember this, Mel. If the only fault you can find with yourself is one that God gave you...then you are doing pretty good!! Just call me Fluffy!! DD |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Melissa on Apr 4th, 2006, 8:37pm Ok, now that I've given myself some time to wipe the tears away after reading everyone's posts, I'd like to say a few things... It is overwhelming to hear of all the familiarity. Each post strikes a chord to an "I've been there too" thought. It is profound just how much others understand what I'm going through, and have gone through, since I was 10. It's like I told someone in a PM here, I've had a distorted view of my body since my mom married her 3rd husband. Here's a little of my backround... When mom married my current dad when I was 10, it didn't take long for him to start commenting on my size. Kept saying I was fat, and that I could be a model if I'd just lose weight. It was hard hearing someone call you an in your face "fat". Not heavy, chunky or chubby, just fat. Thing was, I was still growing, and at times when you're a kid, it takes awhile for your height to catch up with your width. Anyway, I developed a complex right away, always thinking I was too big. Then in high school, I ended up starving myself till I weighed 116lbs. At 5'7" (which I am still at today), that is too thin, but I looked in the mirror and saw myself as unchanged. Anyway, after some badgering of my mom and grandma, I decided I needed to gain a few pounds, as my whole appearance looked like a skeleton. I then gained until I weighed 135, which I stayed at from age 18 until about 3 months into my pregnancy when I was 19. After I had Lily, I gained until I was 185, due mostly to being on Zoloft and having an ovary removed. Then.... came Eli. The day before I gave birth to my son, in 2003, I weighed 260lbs. I then went through what I'm going through now, and decided to try Atkins. Most of you know what happened, I lost the weight and then some. I got down to 147, but it started to go back up. Then came Nashville where I was at 152. I was shy, wasn't sure how to handle all the attention and had a hard time letting myself hang loose because I was so concerned with how I looked. Anyway, fast forward 2 years with quitting smoking and having a miscarriage, and here I sit, at 172.5. I exercise every morning doing the basics, push ups, crunches, leg lifts & jumping jacks. I eat healthy with no white flour, no white rice, no sugar and limit the starchy vegetables. Anyway, to make a long and boring story even longer, I just couldn't fit into my size 12's anymore and had to go into a size 14. I have a fat ass and thighs that genetically are predisposed to NOT going away. After a shitload of thought and crying today, I have decided that it's OK. I'm healthy, and that's really all that matters! As long as I can walk 2 miles and not have to catch my breath, I'm gonna be alright. I love you all, and I thank you, EACH of you, for your concern, caring, love, honesty, PM's, stories and advice. You're all sweet and if you were here in front of me, you'd be getting some big hugs and tear stained kisses from me (on the cheek! LMAO) :)mel |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by E-Double on Apr 4th, 2006, 9:05pm You're an incredibly talented women and a hottie too! Period! E |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Charlie on Apr 5th, 2006, 1:15am Quote:
You're worried how you looked in Nashville? I thought you looked terrific. You were just right. Part of this I suppose, is that I love your posts as much as anything and meeting you. Stop worrying and remember that the Twiggys that are in magazines are rare. They make us all nervous. I was a blarb when I was a kid. 247 pounds. I lost it when I was 18...everything is easier at that age....and went too far. I was malnourished for a time. At 170 pounds I looked like a refugee. I wasn't happy, just stupid. I'm going to be 60 this year and about the only good thing is that food isn't quite the thing that it once was to me. My sands have shifted though and I have a bed full of clothes that I outgrew ready for The Salvation Army. Be nice to yourself Mel. I like part of the Atkins idea but don't go nuts. It's not good to follow it like an automaton. You gotta have and English muffin or something now and then. Dieting is good but have some good stuff. l like to eat eggs and hearty soups when trying to knock off a pound or two. They fill me up and I like microwave dinners...although I eat them now because I like dinner in 4 minutes. You're doing just fine kid. You've got nothing to worry about. It's such a waste of time too. Like yourself; we do. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/spruce up.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Jackie on Apr 5th, 2006, 7:40am Now you girls listen here..... :P (especially you, Miss Mel) I have had the honor and privilege of meeting most of you. You are all lovely YOUNG girls....lovely on the inside and the out. Every one of you has a lot going!!!! Now...wait until you're my age... >:(....then worry about how you look, cuz there's lots to concern yourself with.....wrinkles, sags and bags everywhere, grey hair, teeth wearing out, body wearing out (some new ache all the time), etc.....see, a few pounds here and there is minor.... :) What I'm trying to tell you all is.......you are young and beautiful!!!!! Be happy!!!!! Love to you all.... (Looking at almost 6 decades) Jacks 8) |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Apr 5th, 2006, 7:42am Quote:
Jackie - have you been hangin' out at my house lately? How'd you know all that about me!! ;;D Carol |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Jackie on Apr 5th, 2006, 7:45am LOL Carol.... Must be a "Grandma" thing..... Jacks 8) |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Ghost on Apr 5th, 2006, 8:03am Ok Mel, It looks like most have weighed in so I will now! ;;D My wife is a little heavier than that( I will deny ever saying that) and she too is not feeling good about it. Her doc told her to get up and walk when able, not to worry about heavy exersize yet. Dont eat 3 big meals eat 6 small ones to keep from getting hungry for the big meal. The doc said it would help her control the portions better. So far it is working and in 3 weeks she has lost 11 pounds. I am proud of her but when ever I mention it I get in trouble so I just keep my mouth shut and give hugs when I can. I hope you get to where you too are comfortable and feel better about your self. Do NOT worry what others think and make Mel happy first!!!! ;) ;) ;) :-* 8) ;;D Mike |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Dragnlance on Apr 5th, 2006, 8:34am My Turn. Melissa, First, the definition of fat - when your shadow weighs 42 pounds. ;;D Got it? You do not qualify as fat. Secondly, while I know you want to look good for others, but that is the wrong line of thought. Who cares what they think? YOU are the important one. While I never had a weight problem, I was a geek, long before it was cool to be a geek. I was made fun of, because I knew what I liked and didn't give a ratz azz what anyone else thought. In fact I had one friend thru middle and high school, and once he because a basketball hero, I lost that friend. One quote I have always remembered: Surround your self with the things you love, be it your dog, a cat, family or art. Do the things you love, and don't hold back because you are afraid what others might think. And Coka Cola had a good one this year... Live like you own the spotlight. While I have not met you, I look forward to your posts. You have helped me as much as anyone here, and cheered me up when I really needed it. I would love to meet you and I don't really care if you look like sasquatch. Self esteme? Look at those blankets you make! OMG!! I couldnt do that if my life depended on it. You have skills that some of us cannot match. My final words on this: Believe in yourself. You can do anything, and you can be anything. Just as getting a CH hit in public gains notice we dont want, we just deal with it. (what else can you do?) Just put YOUR concerns about weight in the same class. Something you are born with and something you just deal with, day by day. You are loved for who you are, not what you look like. Lance |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by rickyshot on Apr 5th, 2006, 8:51am Try to think health not weight or especially diets. Diets do NOT work . They just make money for those involved. A healthy diet with daily exercise keeps everyone's weight to their normal whatever that might be. Everyone is different with their own genetics, body types, set points, age, and medical conditions. EVERYONE should eat as follows: five to six small meals a day every three hours. Portions are meat and fish size of fist , thick as deck as cards, rice potatoes and other grains 1/2 cup, cheese size of thumb, fats and oils from whole sources NON hydronated (read your labels), nuts oils, flax oil, olive oil, cold pressed natural oils, peanut butter without sugar in it. Limit fruits but do not cut out. Eat whole fruits not juices, and do NOT add sugar. Eat tons of veggies. Have some form of protein at each meal. That includes eggs (preferably the whites), meat, chicken, fish, nuts, peanunt butter or other natural nut butters. Drinks tons of water at least a litre per day, more if exercising. Never skip breafast even if it is only cheese and fruit. Severely limit all forms of sugar, processed food, non foods sold as food (if it did not have life at one time, it is not food), goodies such as cakes, cookies, pies, muffins, candy, chocolate, ice cream pastries, chips, pretzels you know the crap. Do I have to spell it out. Forget fat free this and diet that. Eat real food. Soda is garbage in the bottle and diet is worse, look at the population at large Most people are sick young and always tired. There are reasons for this. forget about aunt so and so who lived to 90 doing what she wanted-that aint the norm. Alcohol is liquid sugar. Severly limit. Wine is ok as to one glass per day if you have to. Fruit juices are mostly natural sugar but sugar nonetheless without the fibre to slow down the GI factor. LImit please. Eat a whole fruit instead and fruit salad with cottage cheese is nice. Dairy products should be 1%. Now exercise. I could write another book on that one. Health is a bicycle with two wheels. One is diet the other is exercise. You can't ride the bike on one wheel. If you do not exercise , you may lose weight with a kooky diet but it will all come back and then some. Any weight losses from good eating cannot be maintained without exercise. You have to find some form to do daily, walk, dance, gym. home videos, sports, gardening etc. There is something for everyone and no excuses. It is like brushing your teeth. Get the mindset you have to do it. After two weeks of regular exercise, if you do not go overboard and overdo things, you will feel much much better physically, mentally and emotionally. If you have emotional issues with food and use it as a drug of choice seek help. I am serious. Dr. Phils book is a good place to start. Most of our habits are just that habits. We have to create a new lifesyle to buy back our health and to get down to proper weights. Please be realistic. WE are not models, stars etc. Those people you see in movies, magazines and TV don't even look like that. They all had work trust me. I did private duty for plastic surgery in Atlanta for years and all people in that business have work done. Then there is airbrushing etc, They have cooks and trainers don't live normal lives. If you are in your 40's and above, you won't look the same as when you were 20. Forget the numbers on the scale. It is bodyfat that counts and muscle as opposed to fat and inches off the body. How do your clothes fit? If you have medical conditions such as PCOS, thyroid, hormonal disorders, menopause, past pregnancies, hysterectomy, condidtions that warrant steroids, take certain meds etc, that could hinder weight loss. Play the hand you got, again be for real with yourselves. Finally get spirtually intuned. Worship your God, have a good couple of friends, a good family life for good health. Life does not change, we can only change our reactions to it. Stress will never go away. We have to learn to manage it. And these headaches in this group cause a lot of problems as we all know. I am not talking out the side of my mouth. I am 51 and got sick and tired of being sick and tired and overweight at 46 years old. I changed my eating habits, went to the gym and still do, went back to church, went back to school, all gradually and am much much better. I still have hypothryoid ( keeping weight down is like pulling teeth), menopause from a hysterectomy at 42 and these dam headaches with steroids a few times a year. I do cleanses twice a year from all these meds pumped into me. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by rickyshot on Apr 5th, 2006, 9:06am Oh I forgot, cheat days are important. Plan for once a week a "cheat". That means a goodie of choice and not overboard. Have a bowl of chips but not the whole bag, a slice of cake or pie but a small one. You may be at a party or something. Work it in. If you think you are only having cheats once in a while, try this out. Write down every bite, lick and taste of everything you eat and drink for two weeks. Go back and review it. You will be surprised. But the key is to be honest and write it down as soon as you have it. This is an eye opener believe me. Some habits are so ingrained we do not even realize we are doing it. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Melissa on Apr 5th, 2006, 9:28am Ok, I did not want to address this, and I'm not trying to hurt anyones feelings, but I want to say that I know how often to eat, what to eat, how and when to exercise ad nauseum. I know how to be healthy AND to lose weight. What I wanted to know, was how a person gets past the PYSCHOLOGICAL aspect of appearance. My distorted view of my body is deep seeded from a long time ago. I have NEVER been able to view myself as others do. I pick out imperfections ands areas that need improvement almost to the point it's an obsession. To give you an example, when I put on the last 5lbs I have, I had people asking me if I've lost weight! WTF? I gauge by not only the scale, but the size jeans I wear. I was happy in my 12's, and now my 12's are too tight. BUT, I've put on muscle, which I didn't expect. Anyway, that's not the point, the point is being HAPPY with myself, no matter how I look. Why is it so hard for me? And I know there are many here who understand what I'm getting at. I don't need diet advice, I just need to know that I'm not a freak and not alone in my frustrations. That's all. I do appreciate everyone's imput, and I don't want to seem as if I'm seeking attention or feeling sorry for myself. I'm not, I'm just looking to improve my mental well being, and this is another stepping stone for me. Call it selfish, but I don't care! I'm worth it!!!!! Now dammit, I gotta get another box of kleenex and redo my makeup, AGAIN! [smiley=laugh.gif] BTW, Lance, that was beautiful, thank you!!! |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Ghost on Apr 5th, 2006, 9:40am Ok Mel we all pick out the imperfections in our selves. Even if we dont want to admit it. Dealing with it varies like anything else there is no one magic pill. How ever you find to deal with your self view will be your task or goal. Try asking what others see in you and consentrate on those qualities. When I first saw a pic of you I saw those beautiful eyes. They are the windows to your soul! I keep mine covered because I dont like others to see mine. You should see your eyes and smile as we do you are more than worthy to be loved and respected. You have a great heart and wonderful words to share with us when we need it. Again look not at the mirror on the wall but the mirror in the eyes of those that care for you. I hope this helps. Mike |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Melissa on Apr 5th, 2006, 9:50am Mike, the more I read, the more clear things become. It's amazing to look at a picture, think it's ugly, and then after listening to others views, the view changes. I becomes prettier as you have a general appreciation, if not love, for it. Unless I seek out others, my perceptions of reality remain skewed. I'm glad for this thread. Thank you all. :-*mel |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by zwibbs/Scott on Apr 5th, 2006, 10:12am Melissa, I do not know anything about the life coach Anthony Robbins, but one of the best books I ever read was about how he came to do all this. The number one driving force was that he didn't give a shit about what anybody else thought of him, and he got so tired of being depressed that he started studying behavioral sciences and working with positive thinkers. I know of a few people who have taken his courses and they have made dramatic changes in their lives----but before they even took the courses they were depressed--and they became so pissed off that they decided never to be depressed again. I bounce all over the map with my weight, because I can never stop eating Cherry Garcia Ice Cream----those liberal bastards Ben and Jerry have done this on purpose!!! |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Melissa on Apr 5th, 2006, 10:18am on 04/05/06 at 10:12:52, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
First of all, LMAO at the ice cream! [smiley=laugh.gif] Secondly, thank you Scott for mentioning Tony Robbins! I have always admired the man, but never even thought about reading one of his books! I'm gonna hit Amazon right now and do some research. :) :-*mel |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by rickyshot on Apr 5th, 2006, 10:36am LMAO at Ben and Jerry's those liberals. It is all a plot I know it. Melissa I am the queen of bad body image so I hear you. Read again the part when I talk realistic expectations. Don;t let the world getting you to think that there are perfect people out there. Surgery made them "perfect" on the outside, puleeeze. Be the best Melissa you can be. I changed my way of life because of my bad body image which I struggle with everyday and it helped me. Eating right does not just do good for weight control but also for the brain literally. Exercise relieves depression. It actually does stuff to the chemistry in the brain. Please do not discount my input. I can have the pity party with you or we can DO something about this. I had to learn and still am learning to come to grips with middle age and my medicines with weight control and body image. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by sandie99 on Apr 5th, 2006, 11:50am Mel.... [smiley=hug.gif] I'm going to be 26 next week and I've struggled with my weight most of my life. I'm thin now and I've managed to keep the weight away - thanks to the fact that I finally accept myself as I am and I love the person I am. :) But wasn't easy... You said that your stepfather commented your weight; in my case it was my mother and few classmates. In a way you could say that I was bullied both in school and out of it. That, my father's illness and then death and ch had an impact in my weight going up and down. Back in 2004 I had enough, cut all the sugar and soft drinks out of my diet and begin to exercise not once but twice a day (I do 20 min program twice a day) and make sure that I walk at least 10 000 steps everyday. And my overweight vanished in a month. :) Funniest thing is that I didn't feel like I had given up anything. I just gained lots of more energy and self esteem. :) In my case the reason behind my success is that I did it all on my own. By this I mean that I decided to lose weight on my own, I decided how to do it on my own and I didn't make unrealistic schedule. And I had promised myself that I can have one treat - pizza when I feel like having one. :) That's my cheat treat... ;) And those are important. When I have a slice of that I enjoy it to the fullest. Mel, you're a wonderful person & I can't wait to meet you!!! :) Best wishes, Sanna |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 5th, 2006, 12:00pm Mel, Your Mom should have smacked your step-fathers face every time he said those things to you. No one knows til years later what damage can be done with words, to a child. But you and all of us women get our self-esteem constantly attacked by magazines, T.V. and movies. T.V. can't even do a commercial for a new car without having some size 3 woman making love to the hood ornament. Magazines only have air-brushed, anorexic women in them. Movie stars almost always have to have young, sexy, surgically enhanced, gorgeous women as the leading lady. Why? Because men are pigs, that's why. lol We spend our lives trying to look like what they want us to look like and spend lots of money on plastic surgery to fit their image of what we should look like. It's all garbage. Be YOU Mel. You are a beautiful woman. Linda |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Ghost on Apr 5th, 2006, 12:07pm Ok I will STFU. Sorry I didnt help. Mike |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by LeLimey on Apr 5th, 2006, 12:52pm on 04/05/06 at 12:00:44, Linda_Howell wrote:
LMAO Linda Oh I love you lady! My favourite quote used to be "If it wasn't for men the world would be full of fat, happy women and there'd be no war" [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by seasonalboomer on Apr 5th, 2006, 1:01pm on 04/05/06 at 12:52:07, LeLimey wrote:
Yeah right! But then you'd have no one to blame it all on and then you'd all turn on each other and be in the same boat anyways. Wimmen! scott |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 5th, 2006, 1:11pm Blame WHAT on? Scott. No war. Just fat, happy women. No problems that I can see. ;;D Linda |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by seasonalboomer on Apr 5th, 2006, 1:43pm on 04/05/06 at 13:11:19, Linda_Howell wrote:
Oh, just all that stuff that you wimmens like to blame on men.... ;;D scott |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Edna on Apr 5th, 2006, 2:04pm Mel, I've quickly read your post here. And I think I kinda understand where you're coming from. Only other advice I can offer is something I can relate concerning a woman I met who got to be very thin. A lady I met through volunteering with the kids' school, was overweight. She was a very pretty lady, and I guess I never really took note of her size since I myself have battled my life with weight. But, anyway, she was just a very attractive woman, very pleasant to be around, nice, fun, eager to help. You could tell she loved her child very much, and wanted to do whatever extra she could to help out. Well, she had that stomach surgery. And she lost a LOT of weight. And then you know what happened ??? I grew to not liking her anymore. Certainly NOT because she was now skinnier than me...........cuz you know my best friend and I swear by our prayer...."Lord if you can't make me skinny, please make my friends fat"....LOL......but that's off subject. She just became this depressing person. She constantly turned any conversation into a topic about her weight loss, how she had been very ill during her recovery. She was adamant about how she didn't like the way people treated her differently now since she had lost weight. She referred to it as people treating her BETTER since she had lost the weight, and that made her angry. She vowed to do something about it to make people aware of it. And, on and on and on about subjects to do with weight loss. We no longer talked about the FUN stuff that made us all like her before. She was scarce in helping out in any way volunteering, and I think it's all because of such a nasty attitude about her weight loss. So, guess the point I'm trying to make, it that I think this woman suffers much like you are right now. It's a mental issue with learning how to cope with being different. All I know, is that you are YOU. Inside and out. But, what matters MORE to me, is what I know you have on the inside. So, althought I consider you one of my friends, I'm not gonna say my fat friend prayer about you ok? ;) I hope this helps you in some way. And if not, well, at least I tried. I'm glad you have us here to help you through. Again, you're a wonderful person and I know where you're coming from. Your outward appearance is what has changed, please don't let it EVER change the REAL you which lives among that warm heart of yours!!! hugs a plenty, EDNA :-* |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Melissa on Apr 5th, 2006, 5:53pm :) Ricky, I am not discounting anything you say, because you understand, you've been there and know how I'm feeling. That means the world to me. Wow, what can I say, other than I've learned SO much in the past 2 days that I've got enough to carry with me for the next 2 years. Everyone's input is valuable, even if I don't like it, it doesn't mean I didn't listen. I can be stubborn sometimes, I am not perfect, but please don't get upset because I spoke my mind. I like to think I can do that without anyone taking it personally, but of course, there's always gonna be someone who'll do it anyway :-/. Oh well, I am sorry! Anyhow, thank you, again, for everything. My view of myself right now is a hell of a lot better than it was yesterday. Believe me!!!! [smiley=hug.gif] to everyone! :)mel |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by Cathi04 on Apr 5th, 2006, 6:24pm LOL>>Mel! You'rereally getting it, aren't you?? You stepfather should've been B*tch-slapped, repeatedly!!! Always bear one thing in mind... You can be the loveliest person on the outside.a real vision to behold-and still be a card carrying b*tch on the inside..... Beauty is skin deep... Ugly goes allll the way downnnnnn............. :-* |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Charlie on Apr 6th, 2006, 2:00am Quote:
Men are different. One of Bill Maher's "New Rules" is for women to stop fussing with their eyebrows. For us, it's are there two? If so, you're on. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/he_and_she/girl_hide.gif?SSImageQuality=Full The next time some bottom feeder makes a crack about your weight Mel; send him to a paramedic. Charlie |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by kissmyglass on Apr 6th, 2006, 8:00am My doc told me I was getting "obese"...I told her yeah but you're ugly & I can go on a diet. fat chicks rock! Kev |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by Shaz on Apr 6th, 2006, 10:07am Hi Mel, Have sat and read this thread right through. Totally understand where you are coming from. Have always had a weight problem myself, On three occasions through my 45 years I have dropped my weight right down and felt so pleased with myself.... but very slowly it all creeps back on again. I seem to spend my whole life dieting and there is always normally about two stone that should not be there. I have had real ups and downs emotionally with it. Hating myself, sometimes just thinking sod, maybe I will just love me anyway. But I think I have got to be honest with myself and know that deep down I am a chunky girl (I prefer voluptuous). I look in the mirror critically and I see, yes too much weight, but think I am reasonably pretty (well not too scary anyway). I have a good complexion, nice hair, even if is topped up with highlights occasionally now and I do think I look a bit younger than my 45 years.... So I am me and I am going to have to accept that. I have a wonderful family around me that all adore me and a partner of thee years, who I am still abit scared out. Will he stop loving me cos I am too fat. Have been badly hurt before in that direction and its very very hard to trust again. But, I am still me and I am probably ok. Dont get me wrong. I am not happy with my weight, I would kill to be a size 12 and slither into gorgeous jeans and little black numbers. I went out recently with my daughter, her friend and mum. My daughter told me beforehand that she was really slim and I was dreading it. Thinking here we go again, I am going to feel a right fat slob. Anyway, she was SLIM..... She was probably the thinnest person I have ever seen. 45 years old and great personality. Real fun to be out with. But so desparately unhappy with her body. She has totally the opposite problem and just cannot put weight on however hard she tries and it just sort of put things into perspective a bit for me. For the first time in my life, I decided I would rather carry too much weight than not enough. Now that was a thought after 45 years............. I love reading your threads and messages to others Mel and like so many others on here. You are a great bunch, what ever size, however many lopsides areas there are, or how many wrinkles or nervous tics or lack of hair or too much of it. Guess what, we are all bloody great really. Shaz :-* :-* :-* |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by LeLimey on Apr 6th, 2006, 10:46am Shaz that was a lovely post, its been too long since we last saw each other lady and boy have there been some changes for me! Time we arranged a little soiree don't you think?! :-* |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by FramCire on Apr 6th, 2006, 10:58am Mel: I'd like to leave you with 2 things. 1. You really do need to learn to love who you are with the weight, warts, and all (warts is a figure of speech not a suggestion that she has warts). 2. Remember that being overweight is not any different than the problems EVERYONE else has. It just is more visible and more accepted to pick on in this society. Everyone has their issues and problems to deal with, yours just happens to be one that you have to face in the mirror. If you can learn #1, then maybe you can learn to not care about what others say. |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by zwibbs/Scott on Apr 6th, 2006, 11:15am Those bastards even temp me with pictures------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g50/zwibbs11/7684010015.gif |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by sandie99 on Apr 6th, 2006, 12:06pm http://people.aol.com/people/articles/0,19736,1180757,00.html Sanna |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by pfunk on Apr 6th, 2006, 12:34pm Mel- Iknow that we have nevere met face to face but I look forward to it. As a physical education and health major, a lot of emphasis is put on body weight. Just from the things I have learned about you her, you are an extemely beautiful person. Entirely too much emphasis is put on being "skinny". First thing most don't take into account is that every person's body frame is different. Honestly, I am 35 and have not weighed less than 200 pounds since high school. However when I look at the charts on average bodyweight, they all say that I should weigh between 178-184. What they also don't tell us is who puts those charts together. The majority of them are done by some life insurance company or diet doctor. The most common, I think by Mutual Life. Of course their gonna tell us we're overweight, then they don't insure us or charge us more. I say I'd mcuh rather be 210, fat and happy than ttry to live up to the expectations of others and goto 175-80 and be anorexic. Mel, stay yourself! If you're comforatable where you're at, that's all that matters. You've made everyone here happy so much and we all love you no matter. If you still feel you want to shed some pounds, the best diet is probably low carbs/low fat. It is bad to take carbs out completely and the weight lost by this tends to come back. It also be important that you watch which carbs you eat. The carbs that we get from candy, sugar and soda are the bad ones('empty carbs'). Drink plenty of water(which shouldn't be too much problem for most CHers) and get moderate exercise(25-30 mins light walking; do some work in the yard, etc.) daily. However, I've lost 24 pounds since January (doc said it was causing plantar fascitis in my feet) and I'm not going any further. I've decided to watch what I eat, exercise and maintain the weight I'm at. You should do the same; don't let it get you down sweetie. If you feel good about yourself, and everybody loves you, it's not an issue. Much love to you my dear. :-* :-* :-* Patrick |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight ma Post by cootie on Apr 6th, 2006, 1:48pm You guys have as much fun in dressing rooms as I do...WTF........is it the lighting or what cuz everything looks like hell............good grief !!! Gettin ready to bring a small bag in my purse to put over my head when I try stuff on. The mirrors are not your friend Pam |
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Title: Re: How do some do it? Not letting weight matter Post by minnie on Apr 6th, 2006, 8:45pm I got this in a E-mail from a friend for beautiful women month this is just part but kinda fitting for this thread.and the second part any parent will understand. ~~ Beauty of a Woman ~~ The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, The figure she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman must be seen from her eyes, Because that is the doorway to her heart, The place where love resides. The beauty of a woman is not in a facial mole, But true beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It is the caring that she lovingly gives, The passion that she shows. The beauty of a woman With time, only grows.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Images of Mother 4 YEARS OF AGE ~~ My Mommy can do anything! 8 YEARS OF AGE ~~ My Mom knows a lot! A whole lot! 12 YEARS OF AGE ~~ My Mother doesn't really know quite everything. 14 YEARS OF AGE ~~ Naturally, Mother doesn't know that, either! 16 YEARS OF AGE ~~ Mother? She's hopelessly old-fashioned. 18 YEARS OF AGE ~~ That old woman? She's way out of date! 25 YEARS OF AGE~~ Well, she might know a little bit about it. 35 YEARS OF AGE ~~ Before we decide, let's get Mom's opinion. 45 YEARS OF AGE ~~ Wonder what Mom would have thought about it? 65 YEARS OF AGE ~~ Wish I could talk it over with Mom. . . |
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