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Title: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 2nd, 2006, 12:19am Just got this email today from a friend that keeps up on stuff.......... HARLEY-DAVIDSON Sells to Honda MILWAUKEE (April 1, 2006) - Harley-Davidson (NYSE: HDI) unofficially today announced the sale of the United States based motorcycle company to Honda Corporation - a leading motorcycle manufacturer in Japan. Operating Harley-Davidson, the company will continue to offer Harley-Davidson® motorcycles, related products and after-sales service. Rice over matter Pam :-/ |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Opus on Apr 2nd, 2006, 12:56am Pam, Look at the date. I am pretty sure you have nothing to worry about :) Opus/Paul |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Kevin_M on Apr 2nd, 2006, 5:27am This is the only related article I could find, born to be wild rice Pam 8) NEWS WRAP: Harley-Davidson To Open Dealership In China 2:14 PM EDT March 23, 2006 MILWAUKEE (AP)--Harley-Davidson Inc. (HDI) will open its first dealership in China next month, marking the company's entry into the burgeoning economy. Beijing Harley-Davidson, partnered with dealer Beijing Feng Huo Lun, will open in early April, the Milwaukee motorcycle manufacturer said Thursday. "The quality of the Beijing Harley-Davidson dealership experience will be first-class in every respect," said David Foley, the company's managing director in China. "Customers will get a real understanding and appreciation of the Harley-Davidson lifestyle." This will mark the motorcycle maker's first retail outlet in the country since at least World War II. The new dealership will be in Beijing's Fourth Ring Road, just outside the downtown area and just within limits of motorcycle operation. Motorcycles may not be operated within the city's Third Ring Road, a 30-mile highway that encircles the center of the city. The dealership will have 14 staff members initially and be headed by Feng Huo Lun's founder, owner and executive director, Wan Jidong. The dealership will sell several makes of Harley-Davidson motorcycles, parts, accessories, merchandise and collectibles. Sales and service will be offered, as will rider training and events including organized rides. Entry into the Chinese market is expected to be gradual because the market is limited by ownership and riding restrictions in most large cities and on highways, Harley-Davidson said. A population with a limited, but growing, disposable income also will prove a challenge, it said. Harley-Davidson said it planned to develop the market for heavyweight motorcycles and work on addressing riding restrictions. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mike.werner/BlogPics/HD_China2.jpg The first Harley-Davidson motorcycle club attracted 15 members after Chinese authorities finally approved their application to form the club in China." |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by fubar on Apr 2nd, 2006, 10:58am you been had |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by zwibbs/Scott on Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:47am Harley would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever sell to Honda !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Sandy_C on Apr 2nd, 2006, 1:55pm Better not sell cuz my future son-in law would have a coniption - he's a Harley man! Sandy |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Neekwa on Apr 2nd, 2006, 3:29pm Well heres my two cents of blathering on this subject. I don't keep in tune really all that much with the cycle world, however I'm always in tune with the latest developments regarding passenger cars. Latest products in relation to the restoration market etc. Concerning the latest plugs for the Honda 'shadow' series of bikes which you can have customized, or built to your own specifications through a wide array of accessories, bolt on etc. These appear to be a 'headache free' way of obtaining a 'custom' appearing bike that I would bet are pretty reliable as well. The only major drawback I can see is who really wants to be seen riding a shiny, custom Harley Davidson knock off that was (worst yet) assembled in a Honda factory somewhere? Again all around great bikes I'm sure, but I get the feeling a lot of 'bike' guys would equate this to wearing a sign that read "I'm not really capable of piecing together my own custom bike, so I ordered this one that may fool the average person into thinking that I do." |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 2nd, 2006, 4:03pm I would think that Harley-Davidson may have learned their lesson during the AMF years. PFDAN........................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 2nd, 2006, 6:47pm Just thought I'd comment on this, since I live in Milwaukee and ride cycles and one of my current cycle is a Honda. Part 1 I've ridden for decades in a mixed group so I have some experience. Anyone who thinks "American" equates to "Quality" is mistaken. I know dozens of plant workers (I live 20 mintes away) and the tolorences are so loose in the Harly plant it is crazy. Not to mention there are Japanese parts (namely the carbs) on some Harley products. Every year, for the last 15 or so, some Harley guy can't start riding when the group does because his won't start this year, regardless of how new it is. Monthly, rides are stopped because someone's Harley breaks down and "can someone on a rice-burner" go get me x-part?" I've seen many a friend sell the Harley for a more reliable bike. My best friend sold his after years of extra work to get a bike that "I can just ride". Most real bikers admit they own a Harley because they enjoy the working on the bike, as much as riding it, and consider the trade-off for reliablility for ease to work on and customize and acceptable one. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Jonny on Apr 2nd, 2006, 6:55pm on 04/02/06 at 18:47:52, superhawk2300 wrote:
I dont care where you live, in 25 years I have never seen a run canceled (Or stopped) because one bike wouldnt start. Edited: |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:07pm Such a move would have to pass stock holder approval......I'm a stock holder and they have not sent any materials concerning a buyout. A buyout by a Japanese company by any name would kill HD's business in the US. Sounds like a April Fools joke to me. Bill |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by alchemy on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:11pm I have been following this thread with tongue in cheek. I have lived a blessed motorcycle life. I have owned hondas, more harleys than one person should and even one indian. my phylosophy and the guys i always rode with was as long as you were riding thats what mattered more than what. currently i am riding a honda vtx1800. while it may not be my style it fills the bill i'm in the wind. I don't think this thread was started as a pissing contest btween honda and harley. harley actually helped honda get started after ww11 in the war reperations act. The only thing that really bothered me was someone proclaiming to know nothing about bikes saying that people who buy hondas don't. tell that to the gut who waited on the side of the road for an hour thinking his bike was broken to have a guy on a honda (me) pull over and show him how to put the petcock on reserve. we're all out there riding together so lets just chill the fuck out and behave or i'll spank ya with my 1800. now behave. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:16pm So now that I've talked about how dependable Harleys are, let talk about things more general. 1/4 of WI residents are very biased and worship Harley 1/2 don't care and the other 1/4 HATE Harley. In Wisconsin, more often or not owning a Harley is about thinking oneself is cool, not actually riding the thing. I am convinced that 3/4 of all Harleys are boughten by people who never will work on the bike, and put just a few hundred miles a year on them, usually just down to the corner bar or Water street to show off how "cool" they are. This is where they all stand around in a group looking at each others bikes and waiting for people to notice them, like a 10 year old with a new BB gun, except they are mostly middle aged adults acting like 10 year olds. If they feel they are not getting enough attention they will start the bikes and rev the engines to attract attention. Then they take off in a drunken blaze driving way too fast for downtown streets, weaving in and out of lanes and acting like they own the road, endangering pedestrians, until they reach their posh-suburban homes, waking everyone within 2 miles of thier noisey ego-penis extention rides. They put the jeans away and get the suit out ready for another day of work as a corporate yes man. My 46 year old jewish lawyer rides a Harley, complete with satalite phone bag, the light up key chain, matching boots, jacket and bandana. Kind if a low-self esteem adult version of "Geranimals". Yeah he is a real Hell's Angel. Deceased bikers everywhere are turning in their graves. The other end of the sprectrum is people who live is squalar, whose kids wear ripped clothes and don't have enough to eat and are on government assitance - but dad has a 26,000 dollar cycle. I assume Harley-itis is worse in Wi than other states. There isn't much to be excited about here. I wish the whole plant could be air lifted somewhere else. I hate to generalize but at the last rally I saw a kid with a "you are my hero" sign talking to a guy on a hog, who leans over to puke, then pulls out anouther beer from the saddle bag and continues talking to the kid. Out of state hog riders are generally more curtious, safe and friendly (less ego trippy) than the in state people. All of this if for in-state purposes I consider buying a Harley for a serious rider an intelligence test, and for a casual rider and ego check. And my Honda is more American made than any Ford, Dodge, or Chevy auto, which all have foriegn parts and or are assembeld in Mexico. My bike has the"Made in USA" sticker on it - more than 97% USA parts and labor - Ohio plant. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:20pm I know Brad'd never ride anything else but then he LOVES to work on them and it's not a problem for him.......we have old bikes and he's had the motors rebuilt and stroked out......there silent beasts cuz there old and no one has a clue they have the power they have and he doesn't have them all custom'd out. He won't pay for all the frills. Funny thing is we have spent alot of time on poker runs fetchin parts or Brad diggin his tool bag out of his old bikes saddlebags to work on the other NEWER bikes broke down. Ya gotta check your shit and recheck it.......people who jus want to jump on and ride and do nothing or have no mechanic knowldege do good on somea the other bikes. But I must admit......old harley riders love the challenge. Our friends ride all types of bikes........we don't care. We just happen to love the old stock look. But I do like somea the custom stuff but mostly old school. Sum bikes are made to ride.....some are jus made to look at. (fancy custom choppers) Choppers make my back hurt jus lookin at em Pam Yeah....I think that was a joke bout the Harley takeover......I forgot all about joke day !!! PS: Yeah superhawk dude I know a little bout what yer sayin as far as what we call 'wannabe bikers or weekend warriers'......they buy the bike and all the new accessories like jackets and shirts and cool boots and stuff and even get rain suits and bike covers and expensive helmets and gloves. But they only ride a few hours a month and jump on and all there 'gear' with them and ride a few miles. And all they do is gloat they have a Harley and make fun of others.........they really don't know how to ride well or what it's all about. Few drops of rain or claps of thunder and POOF there headed home. They think it's a COOLNESS thing they can buy. They don't even know how to change a dam headlight and sum can't handle there booze and ride but they think that's all it is about. Ya gotta eat sleep and live motorcycles to really have a clue. We have slept on the ground next to ours.......rode in torrential downpours and even hail for hours on end......stood along the road when friends bikes were down or they went down. And we have eatin alot of dirt oil and grime....Brad knows the motors inside and out and everyone comes to him for help on mechanical stuff and parts knowledge. He's even made parts......been ridein over 30 years since high school. I've seen alot of bikers peuk before but not around kids cuz we do have sum tact ! Course myself I can spin in a circle and do that on a normal day. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:26pm Jonny - come on over - my friend shawns bike isnt running and he just took my Susuki to his house to use for awhile. - the first of many. And we don't cancel our rides, people juist use other peoples bikes or don't come. To argue Harleys are a most reliable quality built bike is just not accepting the data. Hell there are 6 or so guys in my group that have Harleys AND Honda's and each one of them prefers to ride the Honda but love to show off the Harley. I ride in a mixed group - I have ridden hogs and lots of my friends ride hogs. What matters is that we do ride and we enjoy the friendly bantering back and forth. I'm just glad I am now on more reliable wheels - I don't eat crow that well and prefer to dish it out. :) The reason I reponded to this was to share my experience from WI, where owning a Harley could have nothing to do with actually enjoying to ride motorcycles. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Jonny on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:30pm on 04/02/06 at 19:26:56, superhawk2300 wrote:
Please point out where I said that!.....Thank you. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:32pm Cootie brings up a good point which kinda helps paint my picture "people who jus want to jump on and ride and do nothing or have no mechanic knowldege" Lots of credit card Harleys get sold up here. People who have never ridden a bike at all before buy a bike that needs a heavier maintence routine because it is cool. I see a lot of tiny chicks city riding bikes that weigh so much I wouldn't want to hiway ride them ( and I play semi-pro football), and I wonder what the motivation is. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:39pm Oh and by the way......."NO WAY" was this ment to be a pissin contest between name brands.......it hit close to home cuz of how Japan is takein all our jobs type stuff. Brad has other bikes and is big time into building and rebuilding dirt bikes and mini bikes all brands (includeing addin a sidecar to a mini bike for camping fun) and now he is workin on some sort of bazaar trike that is more of less the size of a 4-wheeler. But we don't discriminate even tho the honda jokes do come up.....so do the blonde jokes and alot of harley jokes also. Lotta weekend bikes go to some of the hot spots we go to off and on and all they do is BRAG and get rip roarin drunk......and even Brad in all his Harley wisdom starts to RAG ON them as wannabee biker dumbasses. Our first bike was a Triump and second a BSA.....third was a 1942 '45 flathead civilian model Harley. We been round the block a 'few times' Pam |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:39pm Jonny - Didn't mean you specificly - just talking about my experiences in general, when we've stopped rides. And when I say "ride stopped" I mean it started but stopped on the side of the hiway while someone gets a bike fixed, not stopped like not going to do it because one persons bike doesn't work. I knew I'd catch hell for this post, but I figured I can show up at the convention with my Harley friends who agreew they don't ride the hogs for pain-free riding experiene. I know I typed a lot, but I really am a live and let live guy. The Harley guys I ride with are the same as me - just want to ride. Some people in WI are pretty off the wall though, and some poeple don't get that, which I guess is the point. I know Harley groups that won't let women ride with them or make them ride in the back of the formation, or won't even talk to guys who ride non-Harley bikes, like we are lepars or something. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Jonny on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:44pm on 04/02/06 at 19:39:56, superhawk2300 wrote:
Cant wait to meet you, Bro....beers on me! |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:45pm I can't wait - you ride? I got extra bike...... |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Jonny on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:50pm on 04/02/06 at 19:45:59, superhawk2300 wrote:
Save your extra, I dont ride what I dont pay for ;) |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:59pm In that case I can charge ya - unless you're too insecure to ride a "jap bike" - JK!!! man we are gonna have a GREAT time! To steal my friend Shawn's words - I don't care if you ride a pink motorscooter with sparkly tassles - if it has two wheels you can ride with us. For those die-hards who want to see - the Harley plant isn't that far away from the convention. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by alchemy on Apr 2nd, 2006, 8:20pm hey Pam, you and Brad sound like my kind of people. I got to go to a party tonight where it will be a fucking holloween party, everyone dressed the part but noone i can talk bikes with. oh well the beer will be cold take care jim |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 2nd, 2006, 10:41pm Um....I think we'd have a little too much fun with the pink scooter bike and tassels.......ha-ha-ha. I wouldn't wanna ride with a group that wouldn't talk to people who rode other types of bikes or not want women around. When we first started ridein we'd 'just take off and go rideing' !!!! We'd go visit sum friends that had harley's back then and we'd ride around with them but they would NOT talk to us or even look at us while on the bikes. Really bugged us cuz we rode more then they did anyhow......they were bein JERKS.......a duel between the have and the have nots. Now we meet new riders and the first thing they do when we invite them to go ridein and do stuff with us is they 'appologize' cuz they ride jap or british bikes !!! We always make sure to clarify rite off the bat that does NOT matter to us.....but I do warn them somea the guys do crack alot of jokes about jap bikes but it's harmless crap and not to be offended. There WAS a time when we were real rebels and knocked everything but harleys and am sure others go thru that faze. But people like us jus need to set them all straight since we are TRUE riders and they know we been doin it forever. And I must admit I now sleep in a camper when at all possible.....no more sleepin on the ground or in the side car......ha-ha......even a tent is too ROUGH these days but we do it. Brad don't last long at those wannabee biker parties where everyone got dressed up but can't play the part.......he's the one ya always see along the road with grease up to his elbows helpin whom ever on whatever breaks down. Ride free but ride safe Pam We wanted to go see the Harley museum when at the convention but don't look like we can make it now.......dam it !!!! We've got two bikes too.......a '69 with sidecar and '77 shovel. (and lots of mini bike MONSTER garage projects Brad has created or createing) |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by alchemy on Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:14pm my last harley was a 76 electra glide. i miss the old gal |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:48pm We rode a rigid frame '49 panhead for over 10 years........good start to a bad back Pam |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by AussieBrian on Apr 3rd, 2006, 1:16am And you can always pick the happy riders by the bug-stains on their teeth. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Melissa on Apr 3rd, 2006, 7:15am I don't care what anyone says, I've wanted a Harley since I was 15. I'm going to (hopefully) buy myself a Softtail and then when I turn 40, I'm going to drive it. I will also learn everything I can on fixing it myself too. ;;Dmel |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 3rd, 2006, 8:01am I'd rather be workin' on a bike than drivin' a car anyday... Wish I could afford a bike... Anyone got one they'd sell me cheap? I'd prefer a Harley, but considerin' I haven't ridden since I was a teenager, I prolly should start out on a rice burner... That way I won't feel so bad about bustin' it up tryin' to relearn everything... LOL PFDAN....................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Kevin_M on Apr 3rd, 2006, 8:06am on 04/02/06 at 22:41:32, cootie wrote:
When I was 14 and had a paper route, three other paperboys and I all got minibikes and had a riding group. All summer long riding together and racing up and down the street. Every Sunday morning after delivering our papers, loading the bikes into my sister's El Camino, she'd drive us to fields with paths and hills to ride. All the rest of the day in the garage fixing them, innovatively, a common garage gathering just about every summer day. A welding shop would fix frame breaks. Usually 3, 3-1/2, or 4 horse Briggs or Tecumsehs, had a 5 horse once that got stolen. Everyday, walking to middle school (jr high back then), we'd pass by the the BSA dealer and look and look, the 650 Bonnevilles and 750 Trident would be all lined up. The BSA Lightings, Thunderbolts, and Rocket 3. Dreams. By 18 I'd gone through '67 Yamahas 180, then 250 (both crap) and then got a nice heavy '73 Honda 450 (good bike) I kept for many years. The Kawasaki 500 (Mach 1 or something) was the new fast bike just earlier and by then Honda had their 750 going. But seeing an older friend with a Harley was really something, idling so low. Left a big impression, unpursued though as life changed. Just drove the Honda until about '83. Girlfriend LOVED it for hour long trips on the expressway, especially at night. Bikes weren't that comfortable back then, long rides on the legendary Bonneville back then must have tough. All a different era gone by, thanks for reminding me Pam. ;) |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Bob P on Apr 3rd, 2006, 9:09am Quote:
Go for it Mel! For years the only bike that would stop me in my tracks, even when I only heard it, was Harley. What a sweet sound! What a muscle look! Gotta admit when I got my '92 Fatboy I was sucked into the chrome buying urge. Since years have passed, (and I live by the ocean) wear and rust have taken a toll. Now days the chrome comes off and is painted black. She's a ridin' bike now. Thumpin out mile after mile. Never failed me yet! Did buy a new set of Accel plug wires for a trip to Seattle some years back. She ran good at first but then started missing a little and backfiring when I started her. Finally realized that they didn't bent the center wire over, under the connecter when they made up the wire. It had been arching to the connector the whole time. That one was Accel's fault, not Harley's. BTW - my Harley stock has gone up almost 800% since I bought it about 10 years ago. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Neekwa on Apr 3rd, 2006, 9:33am Wow, this topic picked up a lot of steam pretty fast. The claim that some guy on a new Honda isn't mechanically inclined in someway is a misconception of course. Just a stereotype really. I was just under the assumption that most weekend riders would sacrifice reliability of a new bike in favor of avoiding being stereotyped. To most (who may infact park outside the local bar and ride it a block or so eachway) equate this to having to have that Harley Davidson logo on the tank over top of an S/S engine. Than again this doesn't really even apply to a lot of the established 'hard-core' HD types. For example, Sonny Barger the guy who founded the Hells Angels will admit to anybody today that every time he gets on a bike now, its on a comfy brand new model as opposed to some rigid frame chopped out glory bike. Personally you will never catch me on a motorcycle, HD or otherwise. Considering every kid with a Honda civic nowadays seems to find it necessary to turn his commute time into an action sequence from the fast and the furious, weaving in and out of traffic etc. I'll stick to the safety of a steel shell surrounding me as long as I'm confined more or less to my urban surroundings. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Richr8 on Apr 3rd, 2006, 10:34am I've ridden my entire life and personally prefer many of the Japanese and Europena bikes. Now that most of the reliability issues have been addressed in the later model Harley's I only have one issues with them. That issue is with the noise pollution they generate. The stock exhaust system isn't too bad , but many of the ownrs mod the exhaust system or remove baffles to generat as many decibles as possible. I know owners love that signature, potoato, potato, potato, sound, but it's too bad they can't pipe it into thier brains with head phones because I personally do not appreciate being asssaulted by equivalent of 120 decibels when stuck at a light or walking down the street. To me, it's no different than those 1500w earthshaking car steros you feel coming from a mile away. IMO, it's just rude. Of course nothing looks better than a couple of well muffled Road Kings or Fatboys cruising down the freeway, although many of the competitors are getting close and at a much better price point. Rich |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by BobG on Apr 3rd, 2006, 10:44am on 04/03/06 at 10:34:59, Richr8 wrote:
Very true. But it's not a bad as those friggin' little 4-cylinder cars that have the coffee can mufflers. Those things should be outlawed and the owners shot. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Richr8 on Apr 3rd, 2006, 10:50am on 04/03/06 at 10:44:24, BobG wrote:
That's why they have the 1500w stereos. Okay, if I had to choose, I would pick the hogs;;D |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by karma on Apr 3rd, 2006, 10:52am loud pipes save lives or so the saying goes. How many times have you heard some one say "But I just didn't see him coming" as they shake at the sight of a bike wrapped around their car? |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 3rd, 2006, 11:27am Loud pipes can save lives if whomever or whatever in yer path can HEAR them. We've been on back country roads with the newer bikes ahead of us and spotted deer close to the road. Not one moved as they went by.....but before WE got there they jumped and ran like hell in the opposite direction. So in some ways it can help unless yer goin down the valley and a dam deer is runnin down the steep hill and isn't payin attention to shit. I have had them come down and land in the road in front of me in my vehicles before and then they got there footing and slip slid away. And yeah ya get yer riders that want all that gilmour and glitz of the new bikes and fancy logos with brand names ect ect. Brad does't even have logo's on the one bikes tanks or anything......few peices parts came with HD on it but he doesnt' go for all that and payin for the name. Other bike has some gold and silver trim with logo and it came that way and tank logo but he won't put that on it. He's purely stock and into HIS OWN STYLE and LOOK. Clean but grubby Pam |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by alchemy on Apr 3rd, 2006, 11:35am personally i like loud pipes. right now my bike is to quiet. i can relate to pam as to loud pipes making critters and people look up and possibly avoiding the uglies. the only problems i had was i felt bad for my neighbors when i left for work at 5am, until i found out some neighbors used me as their alarm clock. course they were fucked when i was on vacation. jim |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Neekwa on Apr 3rd, 2006, 11:58am I agree with BobG. I would much rather hear the HD exhaust as opposed to a rolling disco-tech. Granted both are loud and disruptive while sitting waiting for a light to change. But then again the guy on the bike is more likely going to be out on the interstate somewhere in the day time, and not creeping down the street outside of your house at 10pm. Furthermore the stereo can be at least turned down, but the person in the car wouldn't dream of doing that regardless of who he is annoying or not. I'm guilty of this one myself, but not with the stereo angle (two 6x9's suit me just fine) - its the exhaust angle that I intentionally torment with, and the main motivation of it is fighting fire with fire here. On my 'fun' car I have a chevy v8 equipped with headers, 2 1/2 inch exhaust running through 2 chamber mufflers. Loud possibly to some, but still civil sounding compared to the average 'import' megawatt stereo. So in protest to show my aggravation I just went ahead and did away with the exhaust pipes aft the mufflers. So underneath the car exiting the muffler is just a simple little pipe the length of your hand pointed down towards the street. The advantages of this are two fold. The most satisfying is purposely detouring through a strip mall parking lot and setting of the car alarms protecting the $1,000 stereos at 5 mph. Then watching as the owners dash out of starbucks to reset them in my rear view mirror. Second would be to cancel out the annoying thud thud of their radios with a simple adjustment of my foot while sitting in traffic. Having said all of that I still wouldn't go outside after 10 pm and fire up the thing on a weeknight to irritate my neighbors. A simple little concept the stereo kings fail to comprehend. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 3rd, 2006, 12:04pm Did ya hear about ppl complaining that hybrid cars are too quiet... People are claiming it makes it difficult to know when a car is coming when they're walking across the street, because at low speeds, the car is running off electricity and making very little noise. Of course, they prolly never considered the possibility of looking both ways before crossing the street... Loud pipes saves lives... Because people are to lazy to look for traffic. PFDAN.................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 3rd, 2006, 6:11pm Pam, you and your hubby sound like such decent folks - I hope you can make it! I for one do not agree that "loud pipes save lives". My bike is a Sport V-Twin 1000cc w/ racing pipes and it is loud, when I "try" it can be as loud as a hog w/ straight pipes, but the sound goes BEHIND me, so I agree with Pam on this one. Most people don't hear me coming up behind them until I am past them, and then sometimes they are scared by the sudden noise and swerve. If anything I think the pipes could be more dangerous this way, on the freeway, but my bike does sound sweet. And in WI, most people I've met with the "loud pipes" arguemnt wear all black clothes wether day or night, don't wear a helmet, and drive drunk, which tells me they could care less about "saving lives". |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by medic1852 on Apr 3rd, 2006, 6:34pm on 04/02/06 at 19:50:08, Jonny wrote:
That explains the BATHHOUSE!! Rodger ::) |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 3rd, 2006, 6:40pm on 04/03/06 at 10:44:24, BobG wrote:
Fart tubes..... ;) |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 3rd, 2006, 7:18pm Our pipes are all cut at an angle and sound goes to the side.....kinda like drag pipes I guess there called. People and deer definetly hear em when close and it's cool to hear the sound bounce off stuff when goin slower. I hear there are new deer horns for bikes that are electric and give off some sort of noise without it jus being wind travelin thru them. Run about 80 bucks a set......dunno if they really work or not but deer are real bad here. Our bikes have a definite "bu-wah". We don't intentionally do the loud pipes to piss off people tho......but we do tend to wear alot of black but I am the one rideing drunk cuz I don't have to drive. Drink and 'rider' Pam NO......I don't get real drunk and set on back but a beer buzz will work. I drink too much and I peuk and sumone else behind us rides thru it. (snicker snicker......gross) WISH we could make the convention and sure had planned on it till our sitter/neighbor/friend moved south. Shit shit shit !!!! Who knows.....maybe I'll make Brad go if his work holds up and he can hang around with you superhawk and talk bikes. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by _Lee_ on Apr 4th, 2006, 2:42am Well, I’ve read this entire post hoping not to piss anyone off when I replied. Like some of you I have owned a mix of bikes.Triumph, BSA, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Harley and Honda. My most recent bike is a Honda CBR 900. I spent about $1200.00 customizing the exhaust and handlebar height. This is one of the fastest, best handling motorcycles ever made, by anyone. The exhaust is only a problem when you crank it all the way up, otherwise it is fairly civil. One thing I do know for sure, a Harley wouldn’t stand a chance in hell in any kind of race. My neighbor has a fairly new Fat Boy Soft Tail, Cobalt Blue, 80% Chrome, one good looking Harley, His wife will only ride it for an hour our so, we ride this 900 4-6 hours all the time. I take it in once a year for a tune up. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Apr 4th, 2006, 9:49am on 04/03/06 at 19:18:50, cootie wrote:
EEWWWWWWW!!!! Wouldnt it be better on Brad's shoulder? Or maybe you can just peuk on the tail pipe and we can all smell smoked peuk!! Then they would all clear a path for sure.......can smell you comin!! BMonee |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 4th, 2006, 11:03am Well first off I won't knock anyones brand of bike......but.......I do have issues with ones sold stateing they can beat the sound bearer and can beat any harley. All depends on how fast ya wanna die Pam No place for that kinda speed on our roads........it's dangerous as hell to yerself and others around ya and yer family too if there with ya. I am NEVER impressed by how fast a bike will go. Ours are strokers and Brad's about lost me a few times takein off quick cuz it has all that POWER and he tends to 'get on it' once in a while and I hate to be a party pooper but on our busy crazy punk car and deer infested amish buggy riddled roads in this state it's really not exactly SAFE. I'm no sissy.......but I rather sit at a light and see him rev the bike with anouhter one next to us then when the light changes let the ass-hole wantin to race thinkin he's COOL and goin to show us a thing or two fly off BY himself as we putt safely on thru. I hope yer wife has a good back Lee.......sittin on a bike like that leaning forward for that long would be quite tireing. I see em all the time........flourescent green bikes with real fat chicks slumped over on back really irritates the crap out of me. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 4th, 2006, 12:31pm on 04/04/06 at 02:42:33, _Lee_ wrote:
Personally, I find speed bikes unnecessary. Like Cootie said, it all depends on how fast ya wanna die. The damned speed bikes doin' about 120 (or faster) on the rural highways, or weavin' in and out of traffic on the highway is what give motorcycles a bad name these days. Guarrantee ya, the first time they hit a oil slick, or a hidden pothole, they won't ride like that again... Most likely because they'll be dead or worse. PFDAN......................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:46pm We have a friend that builds bikes.........oh yeah.......Harley's CAN be made to go FAST leme tell ya. The two he rebuild for us go faster then we EVER need to go and practically rear up when he revs it and takes off. We don't do alot of raceing around and it's just the idea I guess.....a man thing ? And with our old shovels all stock and not alot of fancy chrome and accesories people are SHOCKED at there power......but it's IN THERE. But it's NOT safe to ride fast cuz ya are gonna die pretty hard and they shouldn't even advertise them crotch rockets go that fast cuz KIDS want em !!!! They die young that way.....and it pisses me off they sell for speed as a big attraction. I RUIN'D my neck on a big pothole on backa the '49 panhead (hardtail and NO suspension sittin on onea them little bitch pads on the fender). I've added to it with a few bad horse wrecks when raceing but the pothole did the worst damage and am payin for it DEARLY !! Proves you can get hurt at any speed........as you can tell I am gettin SPRING FEVER. Speed kills Pam Myrtle Beach bike week was TONS of weekend warriers.......shiney custom big bucks bikes and all out on the highways 3 to 4 wide goin way too fast and way too drunk and miles of bikes. I actually got a bit paranoid cuz one fucks up and we all gotta deal with it. They had cops chaseing crotch rockets on the highways in that crowd goin over 90 mph......now that is NOT cool !!!!!! Was alot of fun tho........bikes are more or less nothin but iron horses..........new wave cowboys. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by BobG on Apr 4th, 2006, 3:28pm on 04/04/06 at 11:03:47, cootie wrote:
Many years ago, back when I was young and stupid, I rode a Honda 750F to work and back, 20 miles each way. When the bike was new I wanted to see how fast it would go. Got up to 110 and still had a little throttle left and thought to myself, "Self, what would happen if there was a front tire blow out at this speed?" :o |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Richr8 on Apr 4th, 2006, 3:44pm on 04/03/06 at 11:58:50, Neekwa wrote:
Ah yes, there is an appropriate use for loud exhaust, revenge! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Chip80 on Apr 4th, 2006, 6:42pm As someone that's been riding motorcycles for 35 years, here's my 2 cents: 1 - A dollar for dollar comparison will show that you can buy a whole lot more bike for the money when you buy a Jap brand vs. HD. After shoping all brands of motorcycles, my wife and I bought a Suzuki Boulevard C50 and a Kaw Vulcan 500 this past year. I could have bought 1 HD Sportster for the price I paid for both of these bikes, and the quality was inferior. (And the Sportster was like sitting on a brick!) 2 - Load pipes may save a few lives, but they really piss people off. I've heard many comments from people about those bikers and their loud obnoxious motorcycles. Riding is dangerous, but if you want to be safer, don't depend on loud pipes getting someones attention. You must always ride as if you are invisible to everyone else on the road. 3 - The majority of crotch-rocket riders I come across on the road are dangerous and careless. I've owned and riden all different kinds of bikes, but have never riden on a HD. I currently ride either my Boulevard or 1980 Goldwing Interstate to work. At this years bike expo in Michigan, the 2 bikes I fell in love with were the Honda Goldwing and the fully loaded HD touring bike. My pick of the 2 was the HD. Unfortunately, I'll never find out what it's like to ride/own the HD since I'll never be able to justify spending that much for a motorcycle. But that's OK, because I enjoy riding what I have and don't long to be in the HD "club". |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 4th, 2006, 10:17pm If we thought LOUD PIPES was what kept us safe we'd be ridein in nothin but a thong......ditch the leathers, jeans, sun glasses and head gear, boots and gloves! I don't care what ya ride......until you have rode an OLD Harley you'll never 'really' feel what it's all about. Good vibrations Pam http://bestsmileys.com/cars/21.gif |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by alchemy on Apr 4th, 2006, 10:23pm my wife would concur with that pam. jim |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Chip80 on Apr 5th, 2006, 7:02am on 04/04/06 at 22:17:55, cootie wrote:
Describe "it" to me. Maybe you are referring to excessive vibration or oil leaks from the old HDs. To say that a non-HD rider doesn't know what "it's" all about is like saying you have never really experienced driving until you've driven a Rolls Royce. Excellent HD marketing bable, but not true. I've got to hand it to the HD marketing machine though, they have done an excellent job. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 5th, 2006, 7:17am Ya ever get the feelin' that some ppl on this thread is tryin' to start a pissin' match between Harley-Davidson and any rice burner ever made... Why don't we all just buy an Indian... Then give it to me because I'm such a nice guy. PFDAN..................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by BobG on Apr 5th, 2006, 10:14am on 04/05/06 at 07:02:52, Chip80 wrote:
The big Hondas, Kawasakis, BMWs are the Cadillacs of motorcycles. Harleys are the Mac trucks. But they are cool. They have been improved a thousand percent in the last 10 years. If I was young again and rich I’d think about getting one. on 04/05/06 at 07:17:16, Drk^Angel wrote:
Or a Victory. And give it to me. Just ‘cause. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Richr8 on Apr 5th, 2006, 10:24am on 04/04/06 at 18:42:19, Chip80 wrote:
I have also been riding for 35 years using this same philosophy and have never had an accident. People are not in the habit of looking for motorcycles, so therefore many times, they just don't see them. Always assume the worst, have an escape plan, stay out of blindspots, and you'll remain rubber side down. pf wishes and miles of smiles, HD or whatever your pleasure. Rich |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Richr8 on Apr 5th, 2006, 10:36am on 04/04/06 at 22:17:55, cootie wrote:
An Hitachi magic wand will do the same for a lot less money. ;;D Good http://www.goodmans.net/get_item_hi-hv250r_hitachi-hv-250r-magic-wand-massager-vibrator.htm Better http://www.goodmans.net/get_item_hi-hv250r-cmb_hitachi-hv-250r-magic-wand-massager-combo.htm |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cardogman on Apr 5th, 2006, 6:11pm I am a Harley man and I own a customized Deuce. As far as I'm concerned there is no other motorcycle in the world. You can take your Jap and Nazi Bikes and your stinkin English bikes and those italian things put en in a pile and burn em. Burt |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Richr8 on Apr 5th, 2006, 6:20pm Don't take the bait! He's a trollin' http://bestsmileys.com/fishing/1.gif |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cardogman on Apr 5th, 2006, 6:43pm Troll my ass I'm sick and tired of hearing that shit. You are instigator sir! burt |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Jonny on Apr 5th, 2006, 6:49pm Ok dudes, lets not let this thread blow the fuck up....ok? Its been civil for three pages , so everyone back to their corner and have one on me 8) |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cardogman on Apr 5th, 2006, 7:20pm Jonny, I agree although he started it. How's CHTOM I haven't seen him around lately although I have been spending time on the Obssesive Compulsive web site lately. Burtbird |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by chewy on Apr 5th, 2006, 7:26pm Quote:
Then delete your profile and go the fuck away. You were an obnoxious troll when you got here, your an obnoxious troll now, and you'll be an obnoxious troll tommorow. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 5th, 2006, 8:26pm This is getting to be a good post....... Some more data to consider: 25 mph is enough to kill anyone not wearing head protection. Hell my best friends brother owns a cycle repair shop and he had to give a a friend of his a job who got disable by sitting at a stoplight. He stepped in some oil, slipped, and the wieght of his bike took his body down and his head hit on the curb and now he is "disabled". Of course the guys doing 100 really are crazy and dangerous. Most local tracks will allow riders on if you really want to go that speed, but anyone on two wheels is going fast enough to die. And this guys pipes failed to protect his head.... Water cooling - HD should try this brand new space age engine saving technology (and the only "Harley" on a V-Rod is the logo). My best friend had a 72 shovel-head. I rode it and it made me miss my comfortable bike. It is alway broke. I've never (purposley) eaten dog crap but the % of people who do and like it (and don't think there isn't any) wouldn't change my mind about trying it with the tired and old "if you have to ask you wouldn't understand" eliete additude. Hey, that comment about HD oil leaking - Silence! That is their highly technical patented anti-rust technology (that is what one of my harley buddys says - always gets me to chuckle). Gotto run - peace! |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 5th, 2006, 11:44pm Ok Mr Chips..........the difference is the same between ridein a real horse and a merry-go-round. I could even add the difference between a duelly and a regular ford pickup. I'm not knockin any brand of bike.....not sayin that VIBRATION is what everyone wants either. But it is still a FEEL of age from when the bikes began. Nothin neater then that ca-thump-ca-thump feeling thru yer bones as yer idlein at a stop. I DIDN'T SAY "you" gotta like it or want it or desire it tho. I always loved the ca-thump-ca-thump of my horses feet under me trail ridein too. I am old school and I am old style. It's what makes ME different. So don't start shit on this issue. I'm not sayin yer not a biker........sum like it hot Pam PS: My girlfreind died 3 years ago on a bike sittin still. She was on back at a stop and some mexicans that couldn't even speak english tried to squeeze thru traffic and bumped the bikes front end which THREW that bike down HARD on it's side. Happen'd so fast she didn't even try to put her hands up. She died on the spot. Was a very sad day. (NOT callin new bikes merry-go-rounds either....it's a feel I am after......decription I mean) Both our bikes leak......Brad says there markin there territory. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by superhawk2300 on Apr 6th, 2006, 12:08am "markin there territory" hehehhe Another good one! |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by _Lee_ on Apr 6th, 2006, 12:29am Someone said it earlier, if your on a bike riding on the street, you are a fragile piece of equipment, Honda, Harley whatever. Always have an avenue of escape, by using a hole in the traffic or speed to avoid the collision. I have avoided more collisions with speed than any other method. Most motorcycle riders are the some of the best drivers on the road, they know if they fuck up it's their ass. It carries over to driving cars as well. If you have been riding bikes for years with no big problems you should get a break on your car insurance. It becomes an instinct. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by _Lee_ on Apr 6th, 2006, 12:52am on 04/05/06 at 07:17:16, Drk^Angel wrote:
Hey Drk, Why doe's NHRA have a separate class for Harley's. They can't compete even in the pro circuit all tricked out. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cardogman on Apr 6th, 2006, 5:37am Hey Chewy, How ya doin man haven't heard from you in a long time. See you still want to mix it up huh. I aint gonna take your bait or your shit anymore. I wouldn't stoop to your level. Oh wait now I'm trolling right. I think it might be the other way around. You sure your not CHTOM in disguise. Can you prove your not? Now before anybody starts in on me read the posts and check out this guys completely uncalled for comment. You must have absolutely no life chewy. All you are is a hopeless wanna be bully. No place for you here. Get on your Honda 160 and get out of town. hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha >:( Burt |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by MakeItStop on Apr 6th, 2006, 6:44am Gotta love the sound of the long bore-stroke, it's like the sounds of the womb to an infant. |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cardogman on Apr 6th, 2006, 7:14am If you are talking about some nice loud Vance and Hines Pipes I couldn't agree with you more. The louder the better. You should see my neighbors peaking out the window at 6:30 AM watching me start my HD up. They get pissed as hell. Oh well that's life huh? Burt |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Dragnlance on Apr 6th, 2006, 9:45am http://home.earthlink.net/~klr250informationexchange/images/russ02.jpg 'nuff said! Dragn |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Richr8 on Apr 6th, 2006, 9:51am You apparently have not seen, "The Terminator." ;;D |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by imnotbub on Apr 6th, 2006, 9:58am on 04/06/06 at 07:14:24, cardogman wrote:
I had been reserving judgement on you Burt, because even though you were abrasive, some of the heat thrown your way was excessive. But this post convinced me. You are a dick. Steve |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 6th, 2006, 11:11am Quote:
Okay... Maybe I'm missin' something... Are ya talkin' about the NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle series? Is that the Harley-Davidson only class that you were talkin' about? That's the only NHRA motorcycle series I was able to find, but it looks like a few Suzukis snuck into that series, and got beaten by HDs and Buells... Hmmmmmmm... Oh wait... I guess last year, one Suzuki was able to beat all the Buells, but still came in third in the Pro Stock Motorcycle points standings behind two HDs... Damn! HDs even own the records for fastest speed AND time. Wait... I know... You're talking about the Ringers Gloves Pro Bike Battle... I can understand where you'd think that was Harley only... After all, the 2006 point standings don't even show a Suzuki until fourth place... Then again, second and third is Buells (Wait... Who owns Buell?) Do you happen to know the name of the NHRA class that doesn't allow HDs because "They can't compete even in the pro circuit all tricked out." I'll be damned if I can find it... PFDAN....................................... Drk^Angel P.S. Maybe you mean the Screamin' Eagle Nitro Harley-Davidson exhibition tour that is sponsered by Screamin' Eagle Performance Parts (Wonder who they may be affiliated with?) for the All Harley Drag Racing Association. Can't imagine why those exhibitions would be for Harley's only... DA |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 6th, 2006, 1:31pm Hey drk if ya wanna have some 'bike fun' come on over to suma our camp out weekend get togethers and Brad'll put ya on some of his inventions......like the mini bike with side car......or the new upcomeing mini trike big enuff to sit down in comfortably and ride around the fields and trails.....and harrass the area raccons. Who knows what's next.....but the group sure had a blast on his home made rebuilt stuff last summer. King's Country Choppers Pam :) |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Ronny on Apr 6th, 2006, 3:23pm on 04/02/06 at 11:47:48, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
Never say never. hmmm ever say never hmmm never say ever hmmm ever say ever ahh, ffs lol |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by BobG on Apr 6th, 2006, 8:04pm Harley powered ride to the tavern. With four wheels they don't fall over when you get off. http://www.barstoolracing.net/images/Simons3.jpg |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by Chip80 on Apr 7th, 2006, 1:31pm One of my trusty Iron Horses http://www.suzukicycles.com/images/gallery/C50BK6/photos/C50BK6_gla_black.jpg |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 8th, 2006, 1:10am Wow very nice lookin bike .........I like how tht bike looks with nice smooth lines........loks to be a smooth ride too. We should get ourselves a clusterhead bike group toggether....all bickes welcome. Hmmm what would we call ourselves . We could plan sum cool ass stuff........ride safe ride free Pam |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cardogman on Apr 8th, 2006, 4:39pm Hey Pam, Ask CHTOM and Chewy we can call ourselves the TROLLRIDERS. hahahahahahaha Burt |
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Title: Re: Honda over Harley Post by cootie on Apr 9th, 2006, 10:47am All my freinds would love Chewy and he'd fit rite in and made to feel at home.....but sumtimes late at nite we need someone to stomp out our aggressions on and sacrifice to the harley gods.......after the beer and whiskey flows sumtime 'round midnite after we lite the big bonfire....Chewy gets to watch front row and center with free beer and steaks cooked up jus how he likes them (got sum awesome cooks in my group)..........wanna come burt ? Trollinators motorcycle club'r Pam 8) 8) 8) |
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