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Title: Tracking terror Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 27th, 2006, 1:57pm Why couldn't we implant these chips in all the terrorists in custody and then let them go. Some of these guys would make it back to Osama then WHACK. Just in theory mind you. http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050501/images/curr_microchips.jpg Potter |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by medic1852 on Mar 27th, 2006, 2:02pm on 03/27/06 at 13:57:08, vietvet2tours wrote:
Hey potter you know as well as I do, most of those clowns would cut the body part off just to be rid of the implant.... But now I wonder who you work for.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/ZakkVanDime/message%20boards/TinFoilHat_puton.jpg Potter I was serious about the first part...most would be happy to cut off a body part for their belief..so the only place we could implant those things would be their head |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by BobG on Mar 27th, 2006, 2:08pm Quote:
Implant it in their wieners! If they cut it off, oh well. OK with me. ;) |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 27th, 2006, 2:26pm Drug em and change time, put them microchips where the sun don't shine. I got a drug called versette once. It makes ya forget anything that happens to ya.Doc. could have ya standing on your head fartin Yankee Doodle Dandy if he wanted to. Potter |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by medic1852 on Mar 27th, 2006, 2:33pm on 03/27/06 at 14:26:46, vietvet2tours wrote:
[smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif]Yankee doodle dandy...thats funny.. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by BarbaraD on Mar 27th, 2006, 3:01pm Implant the damn things... drug 'em whatever it takes. I just got this and for some reason it makes sense: Interesting Can Muslims be good Americans? One has to choose ones own allegiance. ------- Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider this: Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia. Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran). Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews. Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge hi s wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34). Religiously, no Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and _expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names. Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call i t what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country. Pass it on. The war is bigger than we know. And we're opening our borders for more of this crap!!!! Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by floridian on Mar 27th, 2006, 7:50pm on 03/27/06 at 15:01:48, BarbaraD wrote:
Oh, Barb, ... So much ignorance, so little time. So I'll just point out the obvious fallacies in a few, and you can take my word for it that most of this is utter rubbish. Mohammed was a descendant of Abraham, the founder of monotheism in the Middle East (note to self: Abraham was not a honkey, although Abraham Lincoln was). Mohammed worshiped the same God as the Jews and Christians. And the Islamic ideas about the nature of God are much closer to original Judaism than Christianity. Muslims may use a different word to address God, but not many Christians use the same Hebrew or Aramaic terms from 2000 to 4000 years ago. Most people who speak European languages don't know the name of God, so they use a generic descriptor. His god, her god, my God. The 99 names of God are not all listed in the Quran, as the post stated. They include attributes that are translated along the lines of the affectionate/the loving (Al-Wadud). the kind (Al-Latif), and the forgiving (Al-Ghafoor). Most of them are things like infinite, the begining (alpha) and the end (omega) - obviously strange concepts (unless one is familiar with other middle eastern religions like Judaism or Christianity). The Islamic idea of god Not necessarily like the modern American concept of {God = Love} - again, its more like the orthodox Jewish beliefs. And I guess its not suprising that someone that thinks in English might make the mistake that love is not included as an attribute/name of God ... after all, English uses the same word 'love' for the tender relation between a mother and child, for the attitudes of the saints toward their fellow man, and for the roll in the hay of two fornicators. Most well developed languages have distinct words for each of these distinct states. Can't make friends with non-Muslims?? Hah! Sure, some parents are strict and don't want their kids mixing with infidels, except when they are trying to convert them. True of some Muslims and some Christians, but false when speaking of either religion as a whole. Islam prevents them from following the US Constitution? Nope. It's funny how people think that the US Constitution is a Christian document ... sure, most (but not all) of the founding fathers were Christians, but when they talked about whether to include references to God or Jesus in the Constitution, they agreed it was a bad idea. So we have a constitution that says that we have a Senate, and here's what they do, we have a president, here's what the prez does. The Constitution is a like a corporate charter - doesn't deal with religious issues, which are the purvey of the individual conscience. And we have a Bill of Rights, which limits the government, specifically, they " ... shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..." Forgive me if I am a bit paranoid, but I suspect that some of the flag waving idiots that passing around this epistle wouldn't mind prohibiting the Mohammedan religion - which makes them enemies of the Constitution. I also wonder, BarbaraD - are you intentionally breaking the commandment and BEARING FALSE WITNESS against your Muslim neighbors, or were you simply possessed to post those slanders by a spirit of the times, one which counsels that the Samaritans should be scorned and treated with contempt?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan Note to Vietvet2tours: shut-up, Barney Fife. You are giving away the plan!! |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Jonny on Mar 27th, 2006, 8:04pm I got a $1000 that says if there was news footage of your loved one jumping from the top of the WTC you would have a completely different outlook on this, Flo. Now stop picking on one of our favorite seasoned citizens (A women to boot) and get back to doing whatever you do around here. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by floridian on Mar 27th, 2006, 8:24pm on 03/27/06 at 20:04:46, Jonny wrote:
And would your view of Christianity change if you had a loved one that died at the Oklahoma City bombing, or had a cross burned in their yard by the Christian Knights of the KK-Klan?? Or can you make a distinction between good Christians and Bad Christians, between the acts of fanatics and the behavior of the average Joe and Jalil? And what does the fact that she is a woman have anything to do with it?? If my grandmother were alive and here, she would make the distinction between a woman and a lady, and verbally lay into her for her ignorant anti-Christ behavior. I could tell you a story about my silver haired Presby granny when she visited the Temple of the Tooth in India with a group of irreverant Americans in 1946 (the phrase "Ugly American" hadn't been popularized yet) , but you wouldn't believe it. Go back to my little patch and be quiet? Ha. She had her say, I sure am going to have mine. And I'm not the only one that will call her on posts like that. ::) |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Jonny on Mar 27th, 2006, 8:34pm on 03/27/06 at 20:24:42, floridian wrote:
I have no view on religion, I dont believe in a man in the sky that will send you to hell....But, he says loves you....I follow my own rule. Ok, I will rephrase this. on 03/27/06 at 20:04:46, Jonny wrote:
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by floridian on Mar 27th, 2006, 9:19pm No, I don't believe I would have a different opinion on every member of a group of 1 billion people just because a few of them are rotten, Jonny. If a loved one of yours was raped by a man and committed suicide, would you become a man-hater and surgically convert to the non-rapist gender?? Or would you face the fact that some men are rapists but most are not?? I can understand how some women are severely traumatized by rape and end up as man-haters as a result, but I see that as a mental illness induced by the injury - not a valid ideology. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Jonny on Mar 27th, 2006, 9:22pm LMMFAO....You are reaching for straws now, Flo ;;D Its beautiful ;) Edit to add:....So you are saying that if a woman is raped she is a mental case? You apologists are all the same, he who commits the crime is not guilty, the victim is.....what a crock of shit!!! |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by floridian on Mar 27th, 2006, 9:32pm Quote:
Can you r-e-a-d what I wrote. I did not say that all women who are raped are mentally ill. I gave a case where a women who is raped is so traumatized that she develops a mental illness. It happens sometimes. I'm not saying it is her fault, merely recognizing it as an illness. And where did I apologize for rape or rapists? It's your crock. I wasn't trying to redefine rape as good, or blame the victim. Merely pointing out that victimhood doesn't give anyone the the right to redefine all men as rapists, or all Muslims as killers. You are the one who is arguing against the the idea that the guilty one is the one who commits the crime. 19 Muslim men hijack planes and kill people and you think all 1.2 billion Muslims are to blame?? That its ok to harangue and harass anyone in America who is Muslim because of the 19? When someone is different (color skin, hair, eyes, language, religion) and they do something bad, people erroneously link the the behaviour to the group. But when someone who is of the same group does something bad, it is explained differently - they were a cracked egg, they made a bad decision. When people get drunk and kill people or hurt themselves, society doesn't talk about banning alcohol. They talk about individual responsibility, or the emotional problems that person had. But if some one uses cannabis or shrooms and does the same thing, people get frightened and launch a war on drugs. Why? Because alcohol is familiar, it is self. The other drugs are seen as exotic, foreign, and inherently dangerous. In spite of any medical evidence to the contrary. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Jonny on Mar 27th, 2006, 10:07pm on 03/27/06 at 21:32:37, floridian wrote:
When their religion tells them to kill anyone that does not whorship their god.....we better take a hard fast look at them and decide whos going to live and whos going to die. Just how long do you think you would be alive if you moved over there, Flo?.....How long? Yup, those are the folks I want around me.......even you would piss yourself crying as they cut your head off!! Get real!!! |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by CHTom on Mar 27th, 2006, 10:57pm on 03/27/06 at 22:07:35, Jonny wrote:
So, mulegirl, since most crimes in the US are committed by white Christian males, should we get rid of them as well? You are a racist, plain and simple. Your playing Mr. Tough Guy is an attempt to make up for your impotence. You never did answer my question about whether or not you ever served in the US Armed Forces. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by AussieBrian on Mar 27th, 2006, 11:10pm Maths Teacher Arrested AT NEW YORK's Kennedy airport today, an individual – later discovered to be a public school teacher - was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a slide rule, and a calculator. At a morning press conference, the U. S. Attorney General disclosed that he believes the man to be a member of the notorious al-gebra movement. He is being charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction. "Al-gebra is a fearsome cult," he declared. "They seek average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in search of absolute value. They use secret code names like 'x' and 'y' and refer to themselves as 'unknowns,' but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to argue, there are three sides to every triangle." When asked to comment on the arrest, the President stated, "If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes. I am gratified that our government has shown us a sine that it is intent on protracting us from these math-dogs, who are willing to disintegrate us with calculus disregard. Murky statisticians love to inflict plane on every sphere of influence. Under the circumferences, we must differentiate their root, make our point, and draw the line." The President warned, "These weapons of math instruction have the potential to decimal everything in their math on a scalene never before seen, unless we become exponents of a Higher Power and begin to factor in random facts of vertex." The Attorney General concluded, "As our Great Leader would say, read my ellipse. Here is one principle he is uncertain of: though they continue to multiply, their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens." Just goes to show -? |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by floridian on Mar 27th, 2006, 11:28pm on 03/27/06 at 22:07:35, Jonny wrote:
Does there religion tell them all of them that, or is it only the fundamentalists? The Bible says that witches should be put to death, and pretty much anyone who is not a Christian has qualified as a witch at various times ... doesn't mean all Christians are out to kill anyone who does not worship their god, but there are some you need to be wary of. Quote:
Where's over there, oh king of faulty generalizations? The Islamic country with the largest population? I think I would do fine in Indonesia. I have relatives that regularly travel to Islamic countries in North Africa; they've never had a problem, I doubt I would either. Saudi Arabia? I was invited by a prince but haven't gotten around to it (it isn't as exclusive as it sounds, there are thousands and thousands of princes there and this one invites everyone to drop in if they are in the neighborhood). Bahrain? No, its just now safe to go back to Santa Barbara, don't want to risk bumping into Jacko in a Burka in Bahrain. Lebanon, where the civil war is over and people are rebuilding in relative peace and quiet - doubt it would be a problem now, although it would have been foolish to go there 15 years ago. Oh, you mean the country where we invaded, overturned the power relationships and started a civil war? The place where all of the combatants claim God is on their side, though you couldn't tell from their actions?? Where everyone is killing everyone? Yeah, that place is as dangerous as Rwanda was when the Christian Hutus were killing the Christian Tutsis, and vice versa. Not a good place to visit. I don't doubt that there are some whacked murderous Muslims there who do the faulty generalization thing and would assume that because I was American, I must be working for the CIA, and am fair target in the war to liberate Iraq from the foreign occuppiers. Get real? The simple truth is that no religion makes a person a killer, and no religion protects its followers from becoming killers. Fundamentalism is everywhere. Prostitution of religion for nation and race is everywhere. And the average person in all religions gets up in the morning, goes to work to feed his family, and comes home at night to sleep. That's the overwhelming reality in most places. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by nani on Mar 27th, 2006, 11:44pm Here's a big surprise....I'm with Flo on this. ::) Fear breeds contempt. If you fear enough to hold all Muslims in contempt...it seems to me that the terrorists have won a battle. There is nothing a jihadist leader loves more than folks (especially Americans) that share those views. It fuels the fire that gets more angry young muslims involved in the jihad. On a very personal note (fortunately I'm a "sharer" )... I was sexually assaulted when I was a young teen. I'm really glad I chose not to hold all Italian men responsible for the actions of one. I would have missed out on a few good friends. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Mar 28th, 2006, 12:21am on 03/27/06 at 23:28:06, floridian wrote:
The bible says that one should rip out their own eye before even thinking of extramarital sex. (says nothing about clusterheadaches) Even the fundamentalists don't do that. Remember the cold war? We used to teach that the reds were evil monsterous people who had nukes pointed at us. Funny thing is, they were teaching the same thing. "the terrorists" are teaching theirs that the Americans are evil and want to cause destruction, just the same as the Americans are teaching that middle eastern people are evil and want to cause destruction. Maybe we should have implanted one of these in Al Zarqawi before the Iraqi police let him go last year. B$ |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by zwibbs/Scott on Mar 28th, 2006, 1:54am And would your view of Christianity change if you had a loved one that died at the Oklahoma City bombing, or had a cross burned in their yard by the Christian Knights of the KK-Klan?? -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I normally wouldn't comment on these matters----but when I see something like this quote I simply have to....Floridian, the KKK hated Blacks, Jews, Catholics-----to call them Christian Knights is utterly absurd. If you are going to make a comment like this then you have to accept it when people read that in the UK they had meetings in muslim halls ---prior to 09/11/01----stating, no make that yelling---that they won't rest until the world--( THE WHOLE WORLD) is under Islamic principles.NOT WHILE I'M ALIVE !!! |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by tanner on Mar 28th, 2006, 2:45am well after many attempts to post to this thread i find that the beast just will not let me do so intelligently! so in short barb (rock on)... .......nani you are a great and courageous person! flo as far as i know and i will give this a lot more thought when my head allows There is only one religion that promises a non-stop free pass to their version of heaven if they simply take out some infidels on the way and no this does not just apply to the hardcore fundamentalists. And considering the witch comment..................talk about out of context......are you talking about Wicca? some how I missed that in my readings of the bible ! pissed off hitting nines.... and hoping i am not too out of line ......... yours in love ,light and peace..........tim ps; humming yankee doodle dandy as i smack myself in the head! |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by zwibbs/Scott on Mar 28th, 2006, 6:32am Americans are teaching that middle eastern people are evil and want to cause destruction. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------ahhhhhhh B ----------come back to us babe-------- |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by BarbaraD on Mar 28th, 2006, 6:36am Flo, I didn't mean to start a pissing match or "bear false witness" or anything like that. I just thought this article was interesting and posted it. I'm against opening our borders without more security, but apparently our Congress doesn't think so. I've read the Bible from cover to cover and "no" I don't quote chapter and verse -- and I know you can prove anything you want to by doing this and think it's ridiculous. Read the whole thing - I can interrupt it for myself thank you very much! I've studied Christianity and Judiasm and hold my own beliefs. Islam I haven't studied that much - that I'll admit - only what I've read. I've visited almost every country except the Islamic ones, but my husband worked in most of them for about 30+ years so I do have an understanding of the Islam thinking and customs. My son had a Pakistanian roommate in boarding school that visited our home quite often, so I don't think I'm predigice. Zermish was here for education and went back to Pakistan after he graduated. I have several clients who are Muslin. do I think they are terrorist? No. Were they appalled at 9-11? Not really. Do I think they are happy in this country? NO, but they're making money here! We're NOT going to instill OUR values on them. As far as instilling our Christian values on Muslins in the Islamic countries - it ain't gonna happen. These countries have 1000s of years of Islam instilled in them (and its not a bad thing) and we're not going to go in and suddenly tell them how they SHOULD do things. We're appalled by the things they take for granted (the guy in prision they wanted put to death for changing religion for instance). It's THEIR belief - not ours - who are we to change it? Right now the only thing that makes sense to me is to regulate our borders and our immigration a little better than we are doing at this time. In other countries VISAS are WATCHED closely. You stay in a country past your visa's expiration date and you get picked up and deported. Most ex-pats don't take a chance on letting visas run out in another country. Sorry if I upset you, but that's my opinion on things... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by LeLimey on Mar 28th, 2006, 7:44am Just maybe from a different perspective... My mother is Irish and when she first came to this country in the late 50's there were signs in windows saying "Staff Wanted" or "Room to Let" for instance.. and then under that there would be a very blunt message saying "No Irish or Blacks need apply". I wasn't there but I've never got over how awful that is, how people can be so blind to other human beings and I despise racism more than anything else. I grew up with it myself, thanks to the IRA the Irish were hated in this country during my teens, I've been in several bomb scares and two bomb blasts. I was actually in Harrods when the bomb went off there and I was in the street but further up when the IRA bombed Chelsea Barracks. My friend's 16 year old brother took two days to die from a nail through his head from that one. I still to this day suffer guilt because I'd walked away and left them, he was pestering me to go out with him and I was pissed off with him. I had all the IRA Scum taunts yelled at me for being 2nd generation Irish. We had "Irish OUT" slogans painted across our house more than once. The day of the Brighton bombings we had someone break nito our house and hold a knife against my neck (an attempted burglary) when the police got there and heard my mum's faint Irish accent (she was very upset) they curled their lips, got back in their car and drove off. They wouldn't help us. Are all Irish people supportive of the IRA? Not bloody likely! Would I put a home made earratic bomb under my baby in their pram as they do? No bloody way. These people are fanatics and they come in all creeds and all colours. Sad but true. I just wanted to let you see the other side of the coin from a personal experience. I was also in London in July as some of you may recall when bombs were going off all over the place and we were right beside Warren Street Tube Station, I've never been more scared in my life, not just for me but for my three kids. I was getting hit and I wouldn't let David stop the car to get my o2 out of the boot until I had directed him down back streets and out of London. Do I hate Moslems? No. But I do despise fanatics wherever they are from. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by floridian on Mar 28th, 2006, 7:58am on 03/28/06 at 02:45:44, tanner wrote:
Tanner, how did you miss Exodus 22:18? Most people don't fall asleep until Leviticus! "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" in the King James, "Do not allow a sorceress to live" in the New International. And I guess you fell asleep in history class too, if you imagine that Christians have not routinely used this passage to kill people of other religions through out recorded time. Sure, most modern Americans would be horrified if someone used that as a pretext to kill. But modern is the key word - culture influences the interpretation of scripture, which is what is going on in Islam today. There is no passage in the Quran that states that killing infidels will get a person straight into heaven, but there are passages that prohibit killing the innocent in military conflicts. There are metaphors of heaven involving 72 virgins, which has been blended with a misinterpretation of the idea of working or struggling for the cause of God (jihad) that has been used by Al Qaeda to motivate suicide bombers. And if you think that the Quran says that killing people of another faith is a fast track to heaven, or if you think that all Muslims think that way, then you are quite simply out of touch with reality. I'm glad that person you said was great and courageous agrees with me. :) |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Melissa on Mar 28th, 2006, 8:29am http://muslim-canada.org/Islam_myths.htm This is a site recommended by Wikipedia that explains Islamic law. Basically, our media cannot accurately represent Islamic law, just like the Middle East's media skewing U.S. laws. It's akin to what someone else said about the cold war. (I can't look back right now as I'm editing this post) But I am glad to live in the U.S. instead of a country run by Islamic Law. I am glad that there is a separation of church and state. I think many American's confuse the "church" part of that with "moral and ethical" standards in todays government (which are sorely lacking). |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by karma on Mar 28th, 2006, 8:52am Quote:
Floridian, I agree with most of your arguements that go back to the simple wrongness of generalizing a people or religion for the acts of a few. Two questions though: If you are raised and taught that certain actions are righteous and a duty although those actions are universally held as wrong, are you wrong to act on what you believe is right? Why don't the majority of the muslim faith publicly and adamantly condem the viciuos acts carried out in the name of their faith? |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Melissa on Mar 28th, 2006, 9:03am on 03/28/06 at 08:52:17, karma wrote:
I know this was directed at Flo, but I want to address it to. I think it's because due to their religion, they answer directly to God, as only God can ultimately judge them. (again, according to their religion) They know what the punishments are for certain things they do in life. It's all spelled out in Islamic law that they are taught from birth. The hardest things for us to see as westerners with the Islamic religion, is the public unaccountability, as they are only ultimately held accountable to Allah, and not the rest of us. :-/ (at least that is how I've interpreted thus far) I've got lots more reading to do on the subject though. Basically, it all boils down to there being NO separation between Islam and government. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 9:14am Does anyone remember *The Trail of Tears*? *We* as in US citizens committed a horrible act of aggression and terroism on the American Indian because we wanted their land. There were *whites* during that time period that believed that the Indians should be erased from the face of the earth. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by nani on Mar 28th, 2006, 9:26am Good point, darlin. All of you who think white Americans are so righteous and good... read a book called Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. Talk about terrorism... :'( |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 9:36am Also keep in mid that *we* tried to convert them to Christianity, by force if necessary. Children were taken from their parents with the premise that they would be better off in schools run by the white man. Unfortunately this was not the case most of the time, it was simply a ruse to try and convert the children to Christianity. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Melissa on Mar 28th, 2006, 9:43am I have to say this... No "we" didn't. Our ancestors did. When are we gonna stop blaming ourselves for something others did? There have been multiple generations since then, time to move forward! Anyway... Terrorists suck. Just cause an American did it, doesn't make all American's terrorists. Most are good people. Same thing with every freaking culture on the planet. We could analyze shit to death, but it'd still be shit. ;;D We can understand other's POV, but it doesn't mean with have to change who we are. It just means we'd know where they're coming from. Did I say that terrorists suck? blecch :P |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Kevin_M on Mar 28th, 2006, 9:48am on 03/28/06 at 08:52:17, karma wrote:
It may not be a majority, and probably more than this have publicly condemned, in particular, 9/11. But I'm sure it would not make headlines if they did and would have to be searched, especially if it was voiced on 9/12. http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2001-09/13/article1.shtml U.S. Muslim Scholars Condemn Attacks CHICAGO, Sept 12 (IslamOnline) - Muslim scholars in North America unanimously condemned the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon and expressed their deep sorrow and sympathy for those Americans who were killed and injured. The Detroit-based Shari'a Scholars Association of North America (SSANA) strongly condemned the attack and said that there is no cause that justifies "this type of an immoral and inhumane act that has affected so many innocent American lives." ....../ /........ "The Muslim leaders of Chicago discussed an action plan to help the victims and survivors of the terrorist attack by sending a team of doctors to New York, donating blood for the victims and sending money to help the needy. Committees were established to implement the resolutions immediately," he said. ---------------------------------------------------- Here is an entire list of Muslim responses from around the world. http://www.arches.uga.edu/~godlas/nineeleven.html --------------------------------------------------------------- Editorial writer on Bin Laden. http://www.glocaleye.org/binladen.htm He has attacked the moral fabric of Muslim life by glorifying terrorism. He is trying to embroil the Muslim Ummah in a global war of death and destruction by calling the American war on Bin Laden as a war on Islam. His use of Islamic values have made Muslims look like terrorists and in most parts of the world people are associating Islam with violence and Muslims with terror. This man does not have the interest of Islam or Muslims at heart. He is an enemy of Islam and Muslims and should be treated as such. It is time Muslim scholars and leaders fulfilled their Islamic duty (Quran 11:116) and condemned Bin Laden for what he is, and rescued not only Islam but also our misguided youth from the clutches of this mischief monger. ------------------------------------------------------ Here is a list of Muslim Organizations and leaders condemning terrorism and the act of 9/11 the days after. http://www.crescentlife.com/heal%20the%20world/muslim_reactions_to_sept_11.htm Contempt for September 11th Terrorist Attacks by Muslims American Muslim organizations, individual scholars as well as International Muslim organizations, scholars and representatives of countries with a Muslim majority jointly and individually condemned the 9/11 attacks. --------------------------------------------------------------- I'd imagine any of this would be difficult to be heard or read in the days after 9/11, however many, perhaps not a majority, did voice against terrorism. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Melissa on Mar 28th, 2006, 9:55am Thank you very much Kevin for those links! I've got s'more readin to do now. ;) |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by JJA on Mar 28th, 2006, 10:56am on 03/28/06 at 02:45:44, tanner wrote:
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 11:56am Melissa, *we* was used collectively as in reference to the US citizens. *We* is not used in reference to *us*. And I certainly don't blame myself, since my great-grandmother is full- blooded Cherokee. You can't move on from history, it doesn't work that way, once the day is past, you have *history*. When *we* start to forget our history and the history of our nation/people, woe unto the youth of our tomorrow, because they won't be able to read about things in history and say to themselves, "Boy that's screwed up, I won't do something like that". |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by tanner on Mar 28th, 2006, 11:59am message modified, mean statement removed, argument remains, biblical quote still out of context. it wasn't until the 6th century AD that the catholic church used the ancient interpretation of witch or sorcerous to start offing earth mothers herbalists, healers and midwives by creating their own interpretation of biblical lore..............................tim |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Melissa on Mar 28th, 2006, 12:06pm on 03/28/06 at 11:56:22, deltadarlin wrote:
I kind of figured that, but wanted to make it a point that we CAN move from history by not repeating the same mistake more than once. But I cannot see how what happened then, applies to what is happening today when the mindset is different. :-/ We are in the future, the time we get the news is not a factor as it's immediate. It's quick enough to prevent further attrocities from happening once it hits the news waves. (of course, some know how I feel about the media...they mostly SUCK, so it's good to read other independant sources) In no way am I saying bury the past, in fact, I'm just saying "learn from it", but not subject ourselves to punishment for what others have done. I think we're arguing the same point with different words is all. ;) |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 12:38pm tanner, Don't think Exodus 22:18 is taken out of context. Here are a few other verses taken from the Bible (note this is the King James edition). Deuteronomy 18:10-11 Deuteronomy 18:10-There shall not e found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass thorugh the fire, or useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter or a witch, Verse 11-or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. Galations chapter 5:19-Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, laciviousness, Verse 20-Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies. Revelation 21:8:-But the fearful, and the unbelieving, , and the abominable, and the murderers, and the sleepermongers,and sorcerers, and the idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. and a quote that I found- "Jim Jones, David Koresh and Meir Kahane do not typify Christianity and Judaism in the eyes of the civilized West, but those same eyes are prone to see Osama bin Laden and Mullah Muhammad Omar as typifying Islam," Richard Bulliet |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by LeLimey on Mar 28th, 2006, 1:49pm on 03/28/06 at 12:38:12, deltadarlin wrote:
Thank you for this Carolyn, I shall save this one. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 1:57pm I had to go back and reread part of this book to find this quote. "I don't understand and I can't bear how a man can be judged not for what he is but because of the group that he happens to belong." A gold star to anybody who can tell me who made this quote. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by zwibbs/Scott on Mar 28th, 2006, 2:07pm A gold star to anybody who can tell me who made this quote. CARDOGMAN |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 2:23pm on 03/28/06 at 14:07:36, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
Go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00 |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by LeLimey on Mar 28th, 2006, 2:29pm No gold star for me as I haven't a clue but it sounds like a book I'd like to read so.. I'll be watching for the right answer with interest! Thanks Carolyn once again |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by zwibbs/Scott on Mar 28th, 2006, 2:31pm Jesus Christ , Gandhi , or Martin Luther King ? |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 2:37pm on 03/28/06 at 14:31:21, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
nope He's famous, but not to all people. He is an author and a historian and has written numerous books. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by tanner on Mar 28th, 2006, 3:33pm OK deltadarlin, i am making myself blind trying to find the author of that quote. more hints. is he a protege of Bulliet's? Is he alive or dead? Is it another quote by Bulliet himself. How about Pope Benidict? [smiley=huh.gif] ........................tim oh and as to the witch, wicca, bible thing i never intimated that the words aren't in there just that they had no bearing on the discussion at the point where i first addressed them (badly)., but someone once said that if you are having a very difficult time making a point to an enlightened audience perhaps you have no point to make! as a matter of fact he just said it :) |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 3:41pm on 03/28/06 at 15:33:09, tanner wrote:
Nope on 03/28/06 at 15:33:09, tanner wrote:
Nope on 03/28/06 at 15:33:09, tanner wrote:
Nope He is dead, he died in 1982. His experience in and his subsequent travels through Eastern Europe were the subject of powerful memoirs, fiction and poetry. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by BobG on Mar 28th, 2006, 3:50pm Hey delta, was it John Lennon? My take on this whole thing............fuck all the muslims. The world would be better off with them All dead. After all, that is how the want the world to be, everyone dead. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 28th, 2006, 4:03pm Since this thread got hijacked I guess I'll add fuel to the fire. http://tinypic.com/f1h6pk.jpg Potter |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by tanner on Mar 28th, 2006, 4:03pm delta i am stresin here >:( Father Seraphim Rose Litwack Pope John Paul II.......................tim |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 4:22pm on 03/28/06 at 16:03:46, tanner wrote:
nope on 03/28/06 at 16:03:46, tanner wrote:
nope on 03/28/06 at 16:03:46, tanner wrote:
nope He's Italian, but he's not Catholic. He became a renowned writer because of what he survived. I'm off to have a snack and take a nap. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by zwibbs/Scott on Mar 28th, 2006, 4:29pm Father Guydo Sarducci--if it isn't him---then I'm sticking with Cardogman |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Melissa on Mar 28th, 2006, 4:41pm rotflmbo Scott! |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by blood_Redd_son on Mar 28th, 2006, 4:41pm you want fundamentalists? go to www.landoverbaptist.org |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by blood_Redd_son on Mar 28th, 2006, 4:48pm here is just one of the things the "pastor deacon fred" says about wiccans http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sermons/witches.html |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by medic1852 on Mar 28th, 2006, 4:53pm on 03/28/06 at 16:41:35, blood_Redd_son wrote:
Sounds like my ex wife's church..she is a nut...she wont allow the kids to see any of the Harry Potter movies because it teaches witchcraft..I could go on about some to the crap she tells the kids but I wont.. Rodger |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by blood_Redd_son on Mar 28th, 2006, 5:26pm i will admit to you all: I am wiccan. Anyway, the so-called "pastor" ass is trying to have a law passed so that his "church" (more of a cult, if you ask me.) can hunt us down and try and kill people like me. from this, i fear for my life, but yet, i feel stronger. Merry part till merry meet again! Dylan |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by floridian on Mar 28th, 2006, 5:28pm on 03/28/06 at 16:22:38, deltadarlin wrote:
Primo Levi? |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by tanner on Mar 28th, 2006, 5:37pm Blood , I really hope that that sermon link was a sick joke but i am afraid it was not. i personally reserve the right to believe in a universal being that encompasses many different beliefs and dogmas. if you come to my house you will see crosses (mine) crucifixes (Linda's) Buddhas (both of ours and several items common to Wicca. If that ass is for real I just hope i someday get a chance to shove a burning broom up his ass while beating him with my large jade Buddha. Buddha will not mind so long as i do it in the moment and then let go of the feeling :) .................tim |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by pattik on Mar 28th, 2006, 5:46pm on 03/28/06 at 17:37:05, tanner wrote:
[smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] ROTFLMAO! tanner, you are a real hoot! [smiley=laugh.gif] How many Zen masters does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Two-One to change the bulb, and one not to change it. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 28th, 2006, 6:12pm on 03/27/06 at 19:50:50, floridian wrote:
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by medic1852 on Mar 28th, 2006, 6:52pm on 03/28/06 at 17:26:27, blood_Redd_son wrote:
HMMMM...funny you dont look wiccan...... |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by PL259 on Mar 28th, 2006, 7:17pm on 03/28/06 at 16:03:43, vietvet2tours wrote:
Looks about right to me! |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by blood_Redd_son on Mar 28th, 2006, 7:22pm on 03/28/06 at 18:52:20, medic1852 wrote:
what do u mean by that? :3 and i hope this site is a joke. If not, well, yeah....... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Redd715 on Mar 28th, 2006, 7:38pm I'm not going to get into the fundamentalist BS...I too am Wiccan... Dylan came to this path himself, I had no hand in it. I never once mentioned the path to either of my children, nor have I performed ritual, or celebrated a sabbat in their presence. I'm proud that Dylan is a free thinker. It is a skill that will take him far in life. Love you all...... Blessed Be Pegg |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 28th, 2006, 9:04pm on 03/28/06 at 17:28:26, floridian wrote:
Hot damn! You got it! I read this in his book, The Black Hole of Auschwitz which is a compilation of his works. The actual text is taken from the preface of If This Is A Man. Levi is a survivor of Auschwitz, he's written many books on what he saw and experienced. Until his death, Primo Levi continued to speak out about the atrocities that occured in Auschwitz. As you can guess, he is referring to the Germans treatment of the Jews. Seems like he was also looking at the future and I think he would be astounded at the level of hatred regarding Muslims. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Jonny on Mar 28th, 2006, 9:44pm on 03/28/06 at 21:04:07, deltadarlin wrote:
What would he think of EVERY Muslim country partying in the streets when 3000 Americans were killed? Muslims are born and bread to kill everyone that do not agree with their faith.........maybe you dont get that. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Charlie on Mar 29th, 2006, 12:25am Quote:
I hate to say it but here is a case where I don't trust news media. My guess would be that they looked hard to find the famous scene of dancing in the streets. No doubt it took place but I bet it was very rare. The average Joe over there trying not to starve isn't really interested in us. We only know what makes good copy. I still like to think of Muslim fundamentalist as the Ku Klux Klan. It's handy for me and I'm betting that it's not as far off the mark as we like to think. It would be nice if they begin to ebb a bit like the Klan. I know of only one person that I believe is involved. He won't go to a Steven Spielberg movie for instance. Too much reliance on so called religious teaching. Over here, every now and then, religion pokes its nose too far up our butts trying to make things uncomfortable with unfounded fear. So far, it hasn't worked with us but even here people die because of it. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by zwibbs/Scott on Mar 29th, 2006, 1:54am Charlie---I agree with you about not trusting the media----but in this case all they had to do was click the camera on as people ( Women , Men and Children -OF ALL AGES ) were dancing in the streets, and rejoicing loudly. They filmed their celebration in Egypt , Palestine , Iran ........need I go on... |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by karma on Mar 29th, 2006, 6:48am Quote:
I would think that it didn't happen, many yes. All or even a majority no. What would you think of the recent pedophile cases against Catholic priests? That all priests are sick bastards! Quote:
Lets see the link otherwise this statement is pure horse shit. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by deltadarlin on Mar 29th, 2006, 8:18am Jonny, I get it far better than you give me credit for. Muslims are not born/bred to kill. Indoctrinated, yes, but not born. Only sociopaths and psychopaths are *born* to kill. I live between two college towns, both with a moderate sized Muslim population. The Muslims that I've met are definitely not terroists. In fact, there are several of them that you would not be able to say, "yeah, that's a Muslim) because they don't look much different than anyone else. Unfortunately, the news gods don't run *positive* pieces regarding Muslims and how they feel about the US, it doesn't sell newspapers or magazines. If we get to the point that we believe all Muslims should be killed because they are Muslims and will become fanatics, we are no better than Hitler. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by rickyshot on Mar 29th, 2006, 8:43am I agree with Foridain on this one and Charlie. I cannot hate in generality or really hate at all. I come from a family of Jews, African Americans, Cherokee and Mic Mac Indian. My Jewish Mother with her Jewish humor called us the three strike kids lol. I am a Jewish believer in Jesus to further complicate matters have accepted Christ into my heart 30 years ago. My family is a walking target for hate and discrimination. I can't get with that. I liked the comparison to the Muslim fanatics as akin to the Ku Klux Klan. Now are the Klan really Christians>>>>>>>>>> now really. Were the SS guards in the camps really Christians. Are the Muslim fanatics really Muslims? Many a meglomaniac and sick people have used religion for their sick gain. I have told this story beofre on another thread. My daughter was in the hospital when she was 8 with pneumonia. Our roomate was a little Muslim boy. His parents were very devout prayaing to the East in the room during the day. They knew I was Jewish. No matter. We got over the news, thousands of years of hate to get to the human side of ourselves. We both had sick children in the room and wanted what was best for them. We made friends and at night Mom would show me her lovely hair. She wore the hijab during the day. There are so many differences in people but our basic needs are all the same. Why were Japenese locked up in camps during WW II but not Germans? Racism is ugly and anyone can be the villan of the day. It is too easy to get a mob mentality. No I cannot hate. I will deal with people on an individual basis. If they threaten me I will defend myself. But everyone has a right to occupy their space in this world in peace and safety. I will not persecute. You don' t have to like me, socialize with me, marry or date me or my brother but I have the right to occupy my space on EArth , the space God gave me. I need to work, feed my kids like you do etc.... It may sound simplistic but people it IS that simple. Why can some people not get it. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by blood_Redd_son on Mar 29th, 2006, 9:15am Because people are closed-minded |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Charlie on Mar 29th, 2006, 7:36pm Quote:
To elaborate here: I got this from CNN, Fox, or some of the other media the same day the towers fell. I can't remember who but they brought it up that they had a hard time finding something like it and had second thoughts about it. At the time though, I certainly understood it. On hating the media in general: Every time administrations and other evil doers get in trouble, they blame the media. Nothing new here. MacCarthy, Nixon, Johnson, Reagan and the Bushes. I don't recall Clinton actually going after the media. Maybe so but I can't remember. Without it we're in deep shit and it has to be adversarial a good portion of the time or it's useless. It's also a good idea to look at more than FOX or what you would determine left of center media. Otherwise you only get reinforcement of your own biases. The thing about Iraq is that our being there has been like recruiting posters for more for fundamentalist whackos. So many youngsters have now found a purpose, however distorted. Hitler Youth had a bit of this as well. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Jonny on Mar 29th, 2006, 8:15pm on 03/29/06 at 06:48:34, karma wrote:
Hey Shit-head, Heres your link. http://www.isratv.com/video/filmpmwadsl.asx For those of you that cant D/L the video. http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/betar1080557705.php |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by Jonny on Mar 29th, 2006, 8:38pm on 03/29/06 at 08:18:15, deltadarlin wrote:
Delta, When a Pitbull is born and it is taught to kill, is it not born and bred to kill? Im not saying that EVERY muslim is this way, but if you watch the video in my previous post you should be worried.....very worried!! If you think this shit is not coming here you better get your head out of the sand! I guess we will have to agree to disagree :-* |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by BlueMeanie on Mar 29th, 2006, 9:08pm on 03/29/06 at 08:18:15, deltadarlin wrote:
They may not look like terrorist, but remember Jeffery Dahlmer and all the other maniacs out there didn't look like killers either. I'm sure you already know, but they will plot for years blending in to our way of life and wait. When they know it's safe is when they'll strike with vengance. Hopefully it won't happen, but as the Metallica song Sandman goes...... sleep with one eye open. |
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Title: Re: Tracking terror Post by karma on Mar 30th, 2006, 6:15am Quote:
Thats all I wanted to see Thanks ;) |
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