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(Message started by: athos on Mar 4^th, 2006, 3:07am)

Title: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dreams
Post by athos on Mar 4^th, 2006, 3:07am

Part of the story has to do with the Chippiwa tribe, more exact, the Ojibwe...

If you know anything about this tribe, or any legends or things that have to do with dream I would appreciate it.

Also anyone know anything about Skin Walkers?

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by tanner on Mar 4^th, 2006, 3:16am

The Sacred Trail of life which I call the Red Road has a middle, a left side, and a right side. As humans, we are supposed to walk the middle trail as much as possible. As we
walk, we will sometimes stray to the left and to the right and come back to the middle.
Straying to the left or right side is as sacred as being in the middle.
Sometimes we call this straying from the middle making mistakes. We are designed by the Creator to walk the Sacred Trail of life, and we must realize that our mistakes are the source of some of our most important lessons. These lessons give us our wisdom.
It is not wrong that we are tempted. What matters is what we do with the
temptation. No person can ever gain wisdom unless they are willing to take a
chance. It's good to be adventurous but at the same time we must be cautious. we
must do our best to find a way to walk in balance, be adventurous and be
cautious at the same time. Our trail of life is filled with opportunities to
seek more wisdom. As we travel down the Red Road, we will run into paths of
opportunity. Down each of these paths are experiences from which we will learn.
Experience plus action is the foundation of wisdom. There are many things that
can block us from wisdom such as selfishness, secrets, hate, anger, jealousy and
judgments. Another thing that can block us from wisdom is trying too hard or
wishing something would happen. Wishing implies doubt and trying too
hard implies control. We need to let go of these things. We need to trust
ourselves to the Creator. As soon as we surrender everything to the Creator
wisdom will start to flow.

not exactly what you are looking for but i will keep trying

.....................Chief Running Fox

..............tim

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by sandie99 on Mar 4^th, 2006, 3:18am

My boyfriend is interested in indian tribes. He knows a lot about them. I'll ask him for you if he knows something which could help you out. :)

Best wishes,
Sanna

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by athos on Mar 4^th, 2006, 3:21am

tanner that is very cool

thanks sandie I appreicate that

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by tanner on Mar 4^th, 2006, 3:25am

The Indigenous Red “Indian” Nation known as the “Nakota” have a very beautiful and pure language. It is very pleasant to hear a person or people speaking this language. The Nakota Language is not a conglomerate of other languages such as is the case with the corrupted and bastardized “English” language. Nakota words are very significant and explain their actual meaning and can even help the listener to better understand a more clear purpose of life. A newborn baby – called “Wakan Yeja” or “Sacred Little One” (not a “sinner at birth” belief as some fanatic christians purport) – are often heard saying “Ina”, pronounced “ee NAH”, the Nakota word for Mother.

The Nakota (misnomer “Sioux”) Nation Language is made up of four basic language dialect groupings, the Nakota, DaNakota, Dakota, and Lakota. When one of the four are speaking their dialect, it becomes evident as to where their primary homelands are located and what language grouping they come from. (See map at www.1851Treaty.com)

The Nakota word “Mini” (the English word “water”) translates literally into “My Life” with “ni” meaning “Life.” Such a magnificent way to “describe” what “water” really is! Ancient teachings of the Nakota instruct them to be appreciative and thankful for their most basic needs in Life and their pure language proves this point.

The Nakota word “Wica Sa” means Red Race or Red Man/Humans. It describes the very skin color of the Nakota and Indigenous Peoples, which is the same vibrant, rich tone as the Sacred Red Stone, misreferred to as “pipestone”, the Sacred Red Rock used to make a Sacred Canunpa (misnomer “peace pipe”). This Red Stone is found in Grand Mother Earth only in present day southwestern “Minnesota” at the so-called “Pipestone Quarries.” (See www.canunpa.org for more information on the Sacred Canunpa.)

“Sunka Wakan” (“Mysterious Dog”; english “horse”) is another significant word in the Nakota language. Tens of millions of years ago, the “big-grass-eater-dog-that-runs-on-the-prairie” was small with three toes on each foot and roamed the plains in large herds. Millions of years later, the “dog” mysteriously grew taller and strangely “evolved” - needing only two toes per foot. Now, Sunka Wakan is tall and has “hoofs” and is known in english as the “horse.”

The importance of the word Sunka Wakan is that it today reveals factual evidence to the non-Indigenous that Indigenous Red Nations have always been here, upon Great Turtle Island (misnomer “western hemisphere”). Indigenous Peoples are, indeed, Indigenous - not from “Asia” or “Siberia” or “Mongolia.” DNA testing in the mid 1990’s has proven the unique blood of Indigenous Red Nations, which is in total contrast to “Asian” or “Siberian” bloodline.

still checkin................tim

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by tanner on Mar 4^th, 2006, 3:52am

Men, women and children all had their roles in traditional Ojibwe society. The men’s main role was as the providers for the family. Men hunted, got the food, and brought the food home.

Stories I have heard tell of some men stalking a deer for days trying to get close enough to kill it. Today, you can shoot a bow and arrow from 100 or 200 yards away. But back then, hunters had to get very close to an animal. They just had spears, and you could only throw that spear about 5 to 10 feet. Or else you could sneak up to the animals, get very close, and stab them.

Men learned different ways to hunt from their fathers and grandfathers. They also learned to use a sweat lodge to purify themselves. That way, they wouldn’t have a human smell on them, and they could sneak up on the animal.

Men were also the protectors of the camp. They stood guard and noticed if someone was entering their territory, trying to raid their camp. There are a few stories about being raided. One story talks about when Ojibwe attended a treaty gathering in Prairie du Chien. When they were at the treaty talks, they were friendly with the Sioux. But when they were coming home, they got attacked. That was one time they weren’t in a defensive mode, but most of the time they were in that defensive mode, guarding the village.

When the men hunted and brought home the animals, then it would be the women’s job to cure the meat, tan the hide, and use whatever bones they needed. The whole animal was used, and they used the bones in all kinds of ways. For example, the shoulder of the deer was used as a hoe for their cornfields or their squash. I think the bones of the deer were also used to make games, like the hoof game.

The men would cut wood that the women needed to do their work. Today, when we get ready for winter, we stockpile a lot of wood. Back then, they didn’t do that, because they knew that sometimes they wouldn’t stay in one place – their winter camps wouldn’t be a permanent settlement. If a war party sighted something, they would come to camp and say it’s time to move. It would be a waste to leave wood stockpiled. So they would cut wood every day for the fire for that night.

The Ojibwe were always good conservationists like this. Because if you cut a lot of wood and stockpile it for the winter and then you happen to leave, you cut that wood for nothing. They just cut what they needed, and they didn’t waste anything.

Children’s traditional role in society was to listen to what they were taught so they would remember it once they grew up, because there were no books back then on how things were done. The boys were taught how to gut and field dress a deer, and the girls were shown how to preserve the meat, tan the hide, and make clothing from the hide. They were taught in a hands-on way so they didn’t forget.

Children were also taught to respect everything – the animals, the plants, their Elders, everybody. How you raise your child is how he is going to grow up. If you taught him well, taught him to respect everything, he remembers that.

lookin..tim

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by tanner on Mar 4^th, 2006, 3:54am

Chippewa, Ojibwe and Anishinabe and three terms Mille Lacs Band members often use when speaking about their People.

Some historians say the term Ojibwe originated from the puckered moccasin that the Ojibwe were known for wearing and making. Others say that the word refers to the Ojibwe language itself, because the word for the Ojibwe language is Ojibwemowin. In addition to various interpretations of the meaning, there are also different spellings for Ojibwe, such as Ojibwa or Ojibway. Despite these differences, an important part of the Ojibwe tradition is respecting people's answers to historical questions such as this one.

Anishinabe is an Ojibwe word that means "spontaneously created" or "original man." This term refers to all Indians living in North and South America, including the Ojibwe. Ojibwe Indians often use the term Anishinabe (plural: Anishinabeg) when referring to one another. Mille Lacs Band members usually refer to themselves as Ojibwe Anishinabe because that is how Ojibwe people have traditionally referred to themselves.

The word Chippewa probably came about as a mispronunciation on the part of the white men who wrote and signed treaties with the Ojibwe Indians in the 1800s. Without a complete grasp of the Ojibwe language, these men referred to the Indians as Chippewa instead of Ojibwe. The name Chippewa has stuck and is still used today by both Indians and non-Indians to refer to the Ojibwe people. Mostly, it is used in reference to treaties.

...............tim

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by tanner on Mar 4^th, 2006, 3:58am

Ojibwe Funerals

There are several Ojibwe traditions I was taught concerning funerals and death. For instance, when I was growing up and somebody died, my mother would crinkle up a little strip of birch bark like an accordion, and then she'd tack it up by the door. She did this because we believe spirits are afraid of snakes, and that little piece of crinkled birch bark on the door portrayed a snake. I grew up seeing that, and later when I had my own home and somebody died, I made the same crinkled birch bark strip and put it by the door.

My mom also told me if you dream about somebody who has died, it's O.K. - they'll tell you what they want. If they're hungry or sad or looking for something, they'll let you know. But then she said, if you dream about somebody who died and they want to take you along, you say no. You don't go along.

That's why we blacken the foreheads of babies and young people with ashes when there's a wake. Our people say spirits are afraid of black, so we were taught to blacken babies and young people to protect them, because they're vulnerable. If somebody comes to them in their dreams, of course they would come along.

We don't take little kids to funerals for the same reason. When people at a funeral send the deceased person off, they tell that person, don't look at anyone who is here with you today - just look at that path ahead of you and go that way. We do this because there's always the belief that the deceased person might want to take someone with him or her. So traditionally, we don't take little kids to funerals, although today some people do. When I was a child, we weren't allowed to go to funerals until we were old enough to ask, what's happening here?

When older children and adults go to funerals, we're there to be with the family that's feeling bad. I find it consoling to go to traditional Ojibwe funerals. You can hear the drum, and you can hear the old men talking. I get a very peaceful feeling.

I remember when my mom died, my daughter couldn't handle it at first. My mom had been like a second mom to my kids because I always had to work, and she helped raise my kids because she always lived with me or I lived with her.

During our traditional funerals, someone will speak to the dead person and tell him or her what to do as they go on their journey. An old gentleman performed the ceremony at my mom's funeral, and as he talked I explained to my daughter where her gramma was and what was happening to her. That was so helpful to my daughter to understand the ceremony and what was being said to her gramma. It's so beautiful the way people who perform the funerals talk. It's like you're there - you're watching the dead person go. That really helped my daughter. It was still difficult for her, but she didn't cry as hard. Any traditional Ojibwe ceremony, if you can understand it, is just beautiful.

........................tim

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by tanner on Mar 4^th, 2006, 4:01am

Frybread

Once a month, I cook at the meetings our Band has at our community center. I try to cook different things, but I always make some fry bread every month. If I don’t have it, everybody asks where it is.

I was small – about five or six years old – when my mom taught me how to make fry bread. I learned from watching her. And through the years I kept it up. When I went away to boarding school, I kind of lost the ability. But when I would come home, I would relearn because I helped my mother cook because she was sick. Whatever she wanted me to cook, I would fix.

Here’s how you make fry bread: You get a bowl and put your flour in there and make a sort of dent in the flour. You need baking powder and salt. I put some sugar in mine, and sometimes I use powered milk. Then you stir in warm water until it gets soft and the dough sticks together. And then you knead it down and fry it. I use vegetable oil to fry. Your flame can’t be too high, otherwise you will burn the bread,so there’s a little trick to it. But really, it’s simple to make.

I was even on TV on KARE 11 once making fry bread. Gaylene Spolarich, a woman who used to work at our community center and now works for the National Society of American Indian Elders, asked me one day if I wanted to go down to the Cities. I asked her what for, and she said I want you to appear with me on TV. I told her no, I can’t do that! But then I asked her what we would be doing, and she said I would make fry bread, so I told her I would go.

When we went on TV, I had to write down my recipe. I usually just put in what seems right, so before we went to the Cities, I wrote it down: five cups of flour, four teaspoons of baking powder, one teaspoon of sugar, etc. I use heaping teaspoons. The salt I don’t measure, I just put it in.

They gave us just a few minutes of airtime, and they told us to set our stuff out and start making the bread ahead of time. So I made my dough, fried it up, put it out, and covered it up in time for the show. The woman on the show picked up my bread and said it’s so nice and brown,and so delicious. The mayor of Minneapolis was there, too. He came over and asked for some bread. All the bread went because everyone wanted to try it, and I told them to help themselves.

Everybody likes my fry bread. My nieces come to cut my grass and I want to pay them, but they won’t take any money. So I make them fry bread, and they are happy.

I used to do crafts, too, but now my fingers are getting old so I can only knead fry bread dough. I have arthritis but I don’t let that bother me. I still try to do stuff. I work an hour each day at our community center answering phones, and I cook for the community meetings. I’d rather be busy than sitting around.

nothin about dreams yet but i'm not givin up....tim

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by Woobie on Mar 4^th, 2006, 7:26am

I thought this thread said that you need some cool/obscure indian lesbians - about dreams.

LMAO

oh - i cant help you ......... but HI! [smiley=hiya.gif]
how you doin Ken??
:-*

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by athos on Mar 4^th, 2006, 8:20am

if it were lesbians, I would gt a whole different rating...

i should say Native American

I want to use the Chippewa tribe, but I also wnat to use the Navaho "Skin Walkers" as my evil verses good, so I am also trying to find a Chippewa version of the Skin Walkers...

Ia m doing pretty good....

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by Jonny on Mar 4^th, 2006, 8:26am

Try Google

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by athos on Mar 4^th, 2006, 8:52am

Jonny.. I have been all night

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by Cerberus on Mar 4^th, 2006, 9:30am

Native American Lore is mostly (even today) passed along by story telling (word of mouth) if you want to hear stories, you'll probably have to go find a very old or old school native american and have the stories told to you.
the problem with that is we have no perspective of their ways, and something said is easily misinterpreted some of their words don't translate, and ast tim has already explained its all in context to their language.

most native "dream" stories usually are in part nothing more than a way to describe something that has actually happened OR very spiritual (sacred) to them and you wont get much from it because you arent one of them.

try doing a search of Kokopelli there is a neat little story around that.
so unless you wanna take hallucinogens in a sweat lodge and spend days doing so.... you may be out of luck, chances are you wouldnt get to do that either, since the spiritual beliefs of native americans is very very very sacred and closed to outsiders.

however the Hopi, Pueblo, and Inuits of Canada all have very specific beliefs spiritually and some interesting stories. Mostly having to do with animal spirit guides and things of that nature.

Sorry I couldn't help more.

Ramon

P.S.
You may try the African cultures their spiritual beliefs tend to be more "tangible". Again though, the stories tend to be passed down by word of mouth. and you want to avoid anything dating after the first appearance of the white man on that continent.

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by Cerberus on Mar 4^th, 2006, 10:03am

It should also be noted that:

Native American story telling involves a great deal of body language music and art as well. As simple as their languages "seem" a great deal is/was told by physical expression (speaking with your hands etc.) and inflection in ones tone or facial expression and even while performing everyday tasks. Making it very difficult to interpret properly. I have heard a few speak in their native tounges and it IS truly a beautiful form of communication... relaxing even to hear it spoken (at least to me)

Thank you tim for your insights its a shame that the white man has almost erased those things that were/are so magnificent. The white man could have learned a thing or two instead of destroying it.

Since the native peoples were nomadic (to a point) in their way of life, their stories and activities accordingly changed as they went. As it has already been said they had to move often for whatever reason, and as a result so did the contexts of their stories. EVERYTHING they did served a specific purpose. Pretty incredible if you stop to think on it.

Another interesting fact... Native Americans when at war between themselves took slaves. The purpose of this was mostly to perpetuate their way of life or survival. In this context slaves were not relegated to menial labor like the slavery of the white man. They were in actuality integrated into the culture. Many whites found after having been captured stayed afterwards because of the beauty and simplicity of the lifestyle. Many whites found it preferrable to their former lives.
The white man's historical accounts simply regard the Natives as barbaric. Truth is there were only about 5 tribal nations that were warlike (usually out of contact with whites) and that is out of about 300 or so different nations and even THAT is a white man's perspective. So when you hear or read about a particular "tribe" that typically refers to a very limited local group in a certain geographic area.
The vast majority of native americans were exceptionally peacefull. If a "tribe" went to war with another it was usually because their numbers were dwindling and it was time to refresh the gene pool (outside of territorial needs and I do mean Needs)

Ramon

Title: Re: need some cool/obsure indian legands about dre
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 4^th, 2006, 2:37pm

Well I could tell you a little about dreams in broad Native American terms, but nothing specific to what you're looking for, unfortunately!

I made my dream catcher when I was about 11 or 12 at a Native American camp. It started off very simple...mine is made largely of yarn entwined around the wooden circle. The dream catcher is supposed to hang above your bed each night. While you dream, the dreams float up and are caught in the web. Bad dreams stay caught in the web so they don't come back to you. Good dreams are caught in the bead hanging in the middle. They then travel down the yarn (or whatever it's made from) hanging down to the feater. They drop from the feather and fall back to your mind, so you can enjoy your good dreams over and over again. :)

When I was in high school, I went through a really bad time. My guidance counselor helped get me through my last year or else I may not have finished, despite being valedictorian. LOL Anyways...he used to work for Vision Quest which helps troubled teens. He was also "adopted" into the Crow Tribe. He gave me a feather connected to some beads that had been blessed by a Crow Indian Chief. That feather has remained a very important addition to my dream catcher. :)

Most Native Americans find their spirit animal while on their vision quest. I couldn't tell enough about it off hand, but the spirit animal does come in a dream while on the vision quest.

Frybread = yummy stuff. (Just had to add that, of course!)

My family is part Blackfoot and Sioux. Unfortunately, our history is all but lost because when my great, great grandmother left the blackfoot reservation, her name was changed to Mary Smith. We don't know anything much about her. My aunt and I are the ones who have pursued our Native American heritage over the years and continue to be very interested in it.

Know that's not exactly what you were looking for, but thought I'd share my own Native American dream experiences. ;)

Carrie :)