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Title: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 1st, 2006, 7:03am Classic Bush, Quote:
The president has nothing to loose and has no problems with leaving a legacy of nepotism, corruption and mismanagement. I shudder to think how much more damage he can do in his last two years. Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 7:26am I don't agree. I think he's doing the right thing generally. The only thing that I don't like is his lack of involvement in the illegal immigration from Mexico. The port thing disturbs me too. Although I never knew and I think most haven't either that many ports have been run by foreign countries. What disturbs me is the country that wants to take over the latest port. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 3rd, 2006, 10:16am Consider this, To many people around the world the U.S. President is the face of the American people. Quote:
Education is in a shambles. The country is at war with no good way out. Adequate Health care is more unattainable for the middle to lower class than ever. The buget defecit has reached previously unthinkable levels. The V.P. is persuing his own agenda in granting military and civilian contracts. His foreign policy has alienated virually all of Europe. High Ranking Reps. are falling like flies Incompetent appointee's are being praised instead of fired. Need I go on? |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Melissa on Mar 3rd, 2006, 10:32am Ok, this has been bugging me for quite a long time and I just have to ask... Karma, your profile says you live in the Netherlands, yet you seem to act like you're either from the U.S. or are living here right now, yet you posted a pic of your house in Belize? Or some tropical place? Or was that someone else?? I am sooo confused! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by vig on Mar 3rd, 2006, 10:33am but at least we'll save the institution of Marriage and move abortions out of healthcare! so it's all worth it! [smiley=laugh.gif] (that's sarcasm, in case you hadn't guessed it.) |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Sandy_C on Mar 3rd, 2006, 11:11am on 03/03/06 at 10:33:54, vig wrote:
Whew! For a minute there you had me about to throw a rock at you! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by sandie99 on Mar 3rd, 2006, 11:22am on 03/03/06 at 10:33:54, vig wrote:
No worries there. I always get sarcasm. ;) Best wishes, Sanna |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 3rd, 2006, 11:27am on 03/03/06 at 10:33:54, vig wrote:
You forgot the effective logic and amazing success with the War on Drugs. ;;D |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 3rd, 2006, 11:35am Karma, your profile says you live in the Netherlands, nope, buts thats only because their is no profile selection for ST. Maarten, yet you seem to act like you're either from the U.S., Sort of if you consider St. Thomas U.S.V.I. part of the U.S. or are living here right now,nope yet you posted a pic of your house in Belize?nope Or some tropical place? yup Or was that someone else?? nope Sorry for the confusion. ;;D |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Melissa on Mar 3rd, 2006, 11:45am ok, phew! thank you for the explanations!! ;;D |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by chewy on Mar 3rd, 2006, 12:17pm I wish the US voting population had the insight of the Netherlands. Quote:
Well that certainly clears that up for me! LOL |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 3rd, 2006, 12:52pm Quote:
No you don't it's basically a socialist state. Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 3rd, 2006, 1:06pm please! you have fallen victim to a media that wants to tout the "dangers" involved with EVERYTHING! Today is only slightly different than yesterday and tomorrow will likely only be slightly different than today. Change is not all that sudden, and one president's, or administration's, effect, in the big picture of things can not turn the world upside down. the whole chicken little thing gets really old after awhile. scott |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Ghost on Mar 3rd, 2006, 1:09pm VP Dick Cheney considered for medal of honor WASHINGTON, D.C. - A white house source stated that Congress is considering awarding Vice-President Dick Cheney the Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian commendation, for his act of bravery in shooting an attorney. The source was quoted to say, " All Americans have wanted to shoot a lawyer at one time or another and Cheney actually had the guts to do it". In a related story, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, which issues hunting licenses, said that it will start requiring hunters, wishing to bag a lawyer, to have the new "lawyer's stamp" on their hunting license. Currently Texas hunters are required to carry stamps for hunting birds, deer, and bear, at a cost of $7 annually. The new "lawyers stamp" will cost $100, but open season will be all year long. The department further stated that although the "lawyers stamp" comes at hefty price, sales have been brisk and it is believed it will generate annual revenues in excess of $3 billion dollars the first year. Other states are considering similar hunting stamps. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 3rd, 2006, 1:17pm Quote:
Budget deficit! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 3rd, 2006, 1:24pm on 03/03/06 at 13:17:49, karma wrote:
you make my point - the country's been around for something 230 years. W's effect will not shake things so terminally that there needs to be such gloom and doom. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 3rd, 2006, 1:42pm Scott, So I guess the smart thing to do is to accept incompetence at the highest levels of Government knowing that they can't screw things up so badly that it can't be fixed. ::) History has a way of repeating itself repeating itself These no longer exist Roman empire, British empire, Russian empire, Chinese Dynsaties, Mayan and Aztec civilizations. They didn't disappear all of a sudden either. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by tanner on Mar 3rd, 2006, 1:47pm ghost, LMFAO [smiley=laugh.gif] ..............tim |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 3rd, 2006, 1:53pm on 03/03/06 at 13:42:08, karma wrote:
Exactly. And I'm sure there were plenty of Romans, Brits, and Russians, Mayans and Aztecs who wasted their lives bitching about what was going on. Look, empire is not a forever guarantee. Shit happens - you can't hang onto the past. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Dragnlance on Mar 3rd, 2006, 2:05pm There is ONE thing that will not change.... Now that Bush's oil buddies are getting filthy rich raping America, We will NEVER see Gas prices below $2.00 a gallon again. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 2:25pm George Bush's presidency has not been so easy. Eight or so months in to office what may be considered the 2nd or 3rd worst thing happened in this country. We were attacked and thousands died at the World Trade Center. Other then the Civil War and Pearl Harbor the attack on our people on our shores was horrific. It seems to me that Bush has been blamed for just about everything and I don't think it's fair to do that. The media is biased and tried their best to get Kerry elected and were unsuccessful. The budget deficit is musch do to the Iraq situation. As much as a lot of folks keep saying he lied about the weapons if he did then most all other countries did as well. Hussein was murderer and a butcher and something had to be done for these people. There are so many things that I could say in defense of George Bush however there will always be peopole who agree and then also disagree. That is the beauty of this country that will never be taken away from us is that we can give our opinion without reprisal. They could not do that in Iraq. Things can always be better but the oil notion is preposterous. There is one defining thing I like about Bush. He sticks to his guns. We need a President that believes in what he or she is doing. I think in the end we are on the right course of action minus the immigration issue. Would love to hear pros and cons. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by vig on Mar 3rd, 2006, 2:56pm on 03/03/06 at 14:25:09, cardogman wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:08pm Hey Vig, I don't disagree with most of what you say except for two things. There as many Democrats in office that give the republicans a run for their money when it comes to incompetence. Also, remember that most of the Democrats voted to go in to Iraq based on the information given to Bush by his staff and many other countries. This cannot be argued with it's fact. I think eventually there will be an exit strategy and I believe there shoud be.I think it will happn before he leaves office. One other thing that I am upset about is the fact that he has done nothing about Tort Reform. He said he was and he used it as one of his platforms while campaigning. There are so many ridiculous Medical / Legal Lawsuits in this country it's helping bankrupt our Health care Delivery Systems and making Health Insurance to expensive and out of reach for people who need it which is all of us. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by CHTom on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:13pm Get your facts straight: Bush took the buget surplus that Clinton left him and put us into a deficit situation before Iraq; our budget deficit is the highest that it has ever been in history-even if you subtract the cost of Georgie's Iraqui adventure-and it is getting worse yet he intends to go ahead and cut taxes AGAIN for the rich and wants to make those tax cuts permanent. That was a nice analogy, Bush sticking to his guns-except that they are loaded with blanks (only Cheney is allowed to have live ammo in his guns). As for Iraq, we have really done a lot of good there, haven't we! It is now a safe place for the people who live there, the country's infrastructure has been replaced and upgraded, people can walk around the streets without fear of being arrested by Saddam's secret police and life has gotten so much better for the citizens-and continues to get even better-that it has been well worth the 2000+ American lives that it has cost so far, not to mention the (I'm guessing here) 60,000 Iraqui lives that have been lost since George, Sharp Shooter Dick and Rummy have been running things. Yup, Burt, life couldn't be better for them or for us. NOW, as you said, it is time to take care of the goddamn Mexicans coming across the border, snatching up those great lettuce picking and sweatshop jobs that Americans are clammoring to get-hell, $2 an hour is a lot of money and if it weren't for those Mexicans, REAL Americans would have those jobs and we would have NO unemployment and life would be great in the wonderful land of Oz. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:21pm Hi Tom, I don't agree with the Immigration thing. It's not just a matter of jobs that other people don't want it's a matter of not knowing who is coming across our borders ie: Ms 13 that gang and terrorists who are paying the mexicans to help let them in and people latching on to benefits that our own people can't get. Regarding the Iraq thing you know it's gonna take a lot longer for a country that has been ravaged by a dicatator to land back on their feet. BTW I agree with the Carbon Monoxide thing I just read your post on the other thread. You are right .. By the time Lizzie woke she wouldn't have. Probably a virus hopefully. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by CHTom on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:25pm Oh, I forgot Burt-SEX! We've got to implement Georgie's plan to stop them teenagers from having SEX! I'm sure that George was a virgin when he married Laura and that his daughter's are both virgins as are the unmarried children of every one of his cabinet members and all other appointees. I can't wait to hear Georgies plan to stop all of the unmarried people from having sex...it is all the fault of those Mexicans, so once we stop them from coming across the border that problems should be solved. All women should have virginity tests done every year while they are single and if they don't pass they should be snuck across the border to Mexico. Now I can sleep well tonight (we can't do a test to make sure that men are virgins, but a REAL AMERICAN MAN would never lie, so we'll just ask them and take their word). |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Ghost on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:25pm Ok I gotta finially chime in!!! The so called budget surplus that Slick Willie left was Social Security! He for some reason decided to count it as part of the general budget!!!! No other pres including this one has done so. To some I guess any money is avail to spend if it looks good. Part of the reason that money has not been counted lately is because Bush has drawn attention that the excess Social security funds where being used in the general budget since 1995 wonder who coulda done that? That practice is still in use but W has tried to stop it but a certian group filibusters Social Security reform every time it hits the floor, and claims the White House is trying to take money from the elderly! There now CHECK YOUR FACTS! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:26pm on 03/03/06 at 15:21:51, cardogman wrote:
Illegal immigrants can't get benefits. I live in NM. My community is full of illegals. They may not pay income tax, but they contribute a lot of dollars to the local economy. They can't get welfare, Social Security or other federal/state assistance. Which kind of balances out the fact that they don't pay taxes into those systems. They pay sales tax and property tax just like we do. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by CHTom on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:37pm Who is Phillip Buster, Ghost? I don't recall any fillibusters by the Democrats regarding Social Security since Georgie came to office-they are outnumbered in the Congress and the Senate-unless some Republicans joined them???? Say it ain't so! Cllinton left a real surplus that did not include Social Security (and George wants to do away with that too!). It's them Mexicans again! Ay caramba! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:38pm Well I don't know about this sex thing your talking about Tom so I can't comment. This must have been in the news very recently, like yesterday? Nani I do know that these people are getting free medical care and other services. None of the Emergency Rooms in this country are allowed to turn anyone away. It adds to health care crisis. Just remember though we don't know who is hoping the fence.. This is an important issue. For instance the illegal alien who killed the women while at her house coating her deck. He was ilegal. There are huge numbers of illegal aliens in our prisons that have commited crimes once they got here. We are paying for that. And now terrorism jumping over the fence along with this Gang MS 13 . You know about them. That's dangerous Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by CHTom on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:43pm You haven't been taking your medicine again, have you, Burt-yeah, our prisons are bursting to the seams with them thar illegal Mexican M13s-thank god we have M-16s, 3x better then them old M13s that we sold to the Mexican army. Now take your Haldol! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 3rd, 2006, 3:44pm on 03/03/06 at 15:38:13, cardogman wrote:
True. Here in NM, indigent health care is funded primarily through property tax levies. There are more indigent legal citizens than there are illegals. That's the biggest part of the health care crisis. People can't get affordable insurance. And, illegals who own property (and many do) pay into that tax base. I agree with your other point. It appears though, that most of the terrorists we've caught or know about came in legally, not through Mexico or Canada. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Ghost on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:14pm on 03/03/06 at 15:37:40, CHTom wrote:
Presented to senate 2 times last year to remove the money (surplus) left from social security from the general budget and was threatened by baba boxer(cal), and her group with as you call it Phillip Buster. Also part of the Social security Reform he tried to push through did the same removed it from the budget and it was Filibustered and then removed by the Evil Tom Delay! And yes the entire surplus was the Social Security Excess included into the general Budget! Later Clinton admidited to that and claimed it is always figured that way! Yes they do use it that way but the Budget is not supposed to include it it is supposed to only be used if there is an over run in the spending. Again Check your facts I did! Check governmental butdet calculation and how amounts are achieved and then check for each year. you might be suprised by your findings. It seems every year for over 50 years no matter who the pres is the formula changes and to compare budgets even from year to year is almost ludacris. By the way domestically(sp) This pres is spending more for welfare and social issues and education than any yes any pres in the history of the country he is soooo bad and evil aint he? He has also restored 25% of the military that was downsized during BJ bills reign. As far as deficite goes with all that is going on percentage wise we are actually in equal/better shape than 10 years ago, GNP up, employment up,I know all the press saying it is down and unemployment is up but need to look at population percentage not direct numbers it has changed in the last 10 years, home ownership up, Yes higher defisite but also much higher spending. I disagree with the excess spending but as long as we build 6 lane 10+ mile long bridges for 50approx people it isnt going to change. Illegal Immigration needs to be addressed properly and if Mexicans want to come to this country to work legally the process needs to be fixed, that way the drug runners and criminals are the only ones trying to cross and we can be more aggressive towards them. They are our neighbors and we need to treat them as such, yes invite a neighbor into your house but if they break in they go to jail. I am part hispanic and many other ethnic origines(sp) I dont say because of there race I say it because of what is legal or not. As it stands now till the work permitt and Immigration standards and time lines are fixed the problem will continue and even get worse. Yes W is responsable for the lack of control at the borders Both of them and needs to address and come up with a solution soon before more problems occure he is also responsible for signing off on the overspending. But instead of trying to compare him and Clinton what needs to be done is to address and fix the problems, not just throw stones and have no remidy either. That is counterproductive. Whew I gave up being a Preacher and here I am the almost Reverend De-Funked! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Ghost on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:17pm Before a reply comes in whining about grammar :P I dont care I aint in freakn english class and dont give a flying flip! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Bob P on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:20pm Quote:
He also left semen stains! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Dragnlance on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:23pm Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:24pm At least you punctuated. :P I have to say one more thing about health care and illegals. I once read a truism that there is no such thing as a handout. When you get something for nothing there is always a price in dignity and time that you pay. So, given that... I'm incredibly grateful that if my 4 year old has a sore throat and a 104 fever all day, I can just call her dr and get squeezed in in that 2:30 slot. The illegals and indigent have to sit in an overcrowded, often seedy ER for up to 16 hours with that sick baby, just to get a scrip for anti-biotics. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Bob P on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:25pm depends on what your definition of "don't" is. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Ghost on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:38pm on 03/03/06 at 16:24:25, nani wrote:
Couldnt agree more except when I am sitting with them. I actually had to defend my family at the ER because of a group of 5 illegals I went to rest room and when I came out one was standing behind my son pushing the back of his head another hovering against wifes chair and when I got done both needed ER and other 2 ran.Not sure where number 5 went he kinda vanished. Broke Jaw on one and leg and arm of other. I get violent if someone messes with Family. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:45pm Well, that's terrible. >:( It doesn't mean that all illegals will start shit in an ER, though. It could have easily been anybody on drugs or crazy that could start something like that. My ex, a white cowboy, used to use me as a punching bag. That doesn't mean all white cowboys are abusers, though. It's all about the big picture, pookie. There are assh0les in every race and ethnicity. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Jonny on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:46pm on 03/03/06 at 16:24:25, nani wrote:
And guess who gets to pay for all that FREE (To them) medical care they have to wait for? How many hosptals have closed on the border (On our side) because they cant afford NOT to be paid? |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:49pm on 03/03/06 at 16:46:54, Jonny wrote:
I already covered that. :P Trust me, private hospitals are often "full" when the poor show up. They mostly end up at the funded hospitals. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Jonny on Mar 3rd, 2006, 4:56pm on 03/03/06 at 15:44:30, nani wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Ghost on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:01pm My point is if they where here legally the medical care they got because of me would have had a chance to be recovered because the Hospital would go through legal channels to retrieve from them at least a portion but Illegals are not persued at all after treatment. Also a constible (cop) was shot this week by a illegal asking him to move his truck, wanted for 2 other warrents assault and for status / illegal entry into the country. He didnt show at court to get status corrected and issued 3rd warrent. Then shot a cop. Already ACLU petitioning to have him released because he is not a citizen and should not be tried in this country without extradition from country of origin even though they have him already here in jail. He will be defended by a public defender paid for by us and trial paid for by us and serve jail time paid for by us then released and new trial for status set which he wont show for again. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:01pm Tom, There are 11,000 state and federal prisoners that are illegals from Mexico in our jails and we are paying for them. murder, rape, child molestation and more. Tom this is documented I didn't make it up. As for the meds I'm on Lopid for my cholesterol, a couple of advil occasionally, a vitamin when I think of it, magnesium four a day and O2 when I need it if you can consider that a med. Haldol not yet. lol BTW the MS 13 may be the most dangerous gang in the world right now. Eminating from Mexico and over 100,000 strong they are working to help terrorists in to this country from the Mid East and they are extremely dangerous. M13 no I never had that weapon is there such a thing M14s and M16s yes. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Ghost on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:05pm on 03/03/06 at 16:45:19, nani wrote:
Yes Most White Cowboys are abusive! Any Man that punches a woman is not a man. You duck, block, whatever. If anyone uses what if she pulls a gun, well chances are she will shoot. if you get close enough to punch take the gun and then drop her to the floor without punching It can be done and either call for cops or get out. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:06pm Would the key word be aaaahh ILLEGAL ding ding Burt Ghost I have to agree with most of what your saying. I know these people don't have the best lifestyles but there are alot of citizens Tax Paying citizens that are hurting. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Ghost on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:08pm on 03/03/06 at 17:01:59, cardogman wrote:
Doing good Burt those are actually low numbers but relativly accurate. They also have Laws rockets, gernade launchers, rpg's, and other fun things, Humv's, apc's 50cal fully auto m60's pretty well armed actually. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by tanner on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:09pm How Enron Worked the President: This is an interesting bit of information that you don't hear much about. A... Enron's chairman did meet with the president and the vice president in the Oval Office. B.. Enron gave $420,000 to the president's party over three years. C.. It donated $100,000 to the president's inauguration festivities. D.. The Enron chairman stayed at the White House 11 times. E.. The corporation had access to the administration at its highest level and even enlisted the Commerce and State Departments to grease deals for it. F.. The taxpayer-supported Export-Import Bank subsidized Enron for more than $600 million in just one transaction.... Scandalous!! G.. BUT...the president under whom all this happened..... WASN'T George W. Bush. It was Bill Clinton! OH WELL I TRIED TO STAY OUT OF IT........ .................TIM |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Ghost on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:12pm [smiley=spit.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by tanner on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:14pm "I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan." 1) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past and present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those "good ole boys". We will never "interfere" again. 2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence. 3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them. 4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers. 5) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home, baby. 6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while. 7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.) 8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything. 9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens. 10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us, "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH...learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan? "The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses." She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' " If you agree with the above forward it to friends.....If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it!! .....................HARD TO STOP ONCE YA GET STARTED............ ...................................................TIM |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:18pm on 03/03/06 at 17:09:40, tanner wrote:
WOOOOO HOOOOO! TIM ROCKS!! [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif][smiley=bow.gif][smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] I put time instead of Tim [smiley=crackup.gif] |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:25pm In my opinion all Presidents are dangerous men. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Jonny on Mar 3rd, 2006, 5:58pm on 03/03/06 at 15:26:10, nani wrote:
This quote is so disturbing on an atomic level! Once again, what is the key word here? Nan, we agree to disagree :-* |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by chewy on Mar 3rd, 2006, 6:48pm Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 3rd, 2006, 6:50pm Quote:
President Cheney knows exactly what he is doing. jr. is just along for the ride |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Cerberus on Mar 3rd, 2006, 7:06pm I'm gonna venture a response before I read the entire thread on this... Quote:
in response, I must point out that : 1. I work in a school... and no Education isnt in a shambles. Our (meaning us as parents) are stuck in a rut put in place by our refusal to abandon our parents "old world" thinking. until that changes we will always be disappointed. Free your fuckin mind first. 2. Our Country is at war and no there isnt a good way out. Especially when you try and change an entire culture. Besides they created their own mess, and when we do finally leave... they will do it again, because politics and business generally don't mix well with religion. ( I can expound if desired... but know something about "them" as a culture before you blame the U.S. for Iraq's problems) 3. Um... Europe ostracized us WAY before this war... and only increased the gap with their not so "progressive" "progressive" double standard attitude. 4. hrmmm... Gerald Ford, and Jimmy Carter Econo Crisis MAJOR if I recall correctly, not to mention a world relations nightmare, anyone remember the Iran hostage crisis? 5. This is news? think back some... what was going on in southeast asia just prior to JFK's assasination and what happened after and who was president then. BTDT. 6. Crooked people eventually screw up and take the hit for their actions. Thats bad? 7. And again... what is going on now that any other presidency hasn't done? Nothing... we just get to know about it faster and more often because of the media and "Age of Communication" stuff gets exposed immediately, instead of having to wait for the newspaper to tell us after the fact. Past presidents had more time to cover up their debauchery. Shall I go on...? 'Bus |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Jonny on Mar 3rd, 2006, 7:06pm on 03/03/06 at 18:50:49, karma wrote:
You betcha!.....LOL ;;D http://www.quailhuntingschool.com/flash.php |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 3rd, 2006, 7:27pm on 03/03/06 at 17:58:30, Jonny wrote:
OK... works for me. :-* on 03/03/06 at 19:06:29, Cerberus wrote:
A wise man once wrote: "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds." He knew what he was talking about. :) |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 7:29pm NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. JEB BUSH NEXT VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONDOLEEZA RICE |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 7:31pm HILLARY CLINTON UNELECTABLE |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 7:31pm NEXT SECRETARY OF STATE RUDOLF GIULIANI |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Cerberus on Mar 3rd, 2006, 8:06pm before I go "dance" this evening... One last thought. If I am not mistaken the Constitution Begins with: WE THE PEOPLE But Lately all I hear is: HE THE PRESIDENT Did I miss something along the way? Cause, I don't recall any movement to impeach actually happening. Oh wait last time that was attempted slick willie, was in trouble for his slick willie... and our priorities are where? Ya... I thought so. 'Bus |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by BobG on Mar 3rd, 2006, 9:09pm George Bush sucks. His daddy sucks. His mommy sucks. His brother sucks. His grandpa sucks. His grandma sucks. His entire cabinet sucks. Republicans suck. And stink. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 3rd, 2006, 9:24pm on 03/03/06 at 21:09:14, BobG wrote:
Bob would it be safe to "assume" you dont like Mr. Bush? [smiley=confused2.gif] |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by BarbaraD on Mar 3rd, 2006, 9:48pm Let's see now -- Bill C got screwed and we tried to impeach him.... G Bush has caused havic with our whole damn system, started a useless war, drained our treasury and in effect obtained a dictatorship in this country and we do what??? NOTHING except say - you go boy!!! What's wrong with this picture????? And don't even try to guess on this one -- I DON"T LIKE HIM!! Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 3rd, 2006, 9:50pm Well here's my latest gripe about GW... Got this in my email the other day. I didn't vote for him or any of his cronies. I don't know why me and my "barely making it" generation are being penalized for money we didn't even elect to spend. Must be because most universities are full of young, optimistic democrats...and so he's trying to take it out on the little guy... Sure, with this plan we can take out a little more money from Uncle Sam, but we get to pay it back in whopping sums. Darn glad I consolidated last summer and am already on a loan repayment plan! I feel bad for people still in school and people yet to go off to school. He can spend all the money he wants, but he should find a way to fix the deficit without revising financial aid for students and making them have to pay fluctuating interest and higher sums just for trying to get an education. HE spent the money. Don't rip it out of the hands of babes. Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 10:23pm John Kerry voted to send troops to Iraq. Hillary Clinton voted to send troops to Iraq Who was the guy that ran with Kerry with the hair and the 40 million for suing people he voted to send troops to Iraq. Oh Yeah Edwards. What could anyone have against George Bush Senior's wife other then the fact that she looked like his mother. ::) Steve Francis the new New York Knick has Cluster Headaches. Sorry for getting of thre path there. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by tanner on Mar 3rd, 2006, 10:44pm BarbaraD, I absolutely respect your right to have such a strong opinion. I assume from your post that you agree with the plan for peace that I have posted above. Ruined our entire "whole damn system" precisely which system was that? "Started a useless war"... now I know that you are for the new plan for peace! And the dictatorship........hmmm..... if that were so we would not be having this conversation. It takes more, much more then the word of one man to commit our troops to an offensive action anywhere in the world. In fact it takes the majority of the congress made up of both political parties. Mr. Bush's last opponent for the presidency voted yes to the current "war" but just like so many of his predecessors when the press went bad he went south. are you more comfortable in your home now that we know that weapons of mass destruction were shipped out of iraq just before our first strike? I'm not! I was still in Vietnam when our presidents last challenger was already back home buddying up to teddy and in my opinion committing treason by rallying support against our troops while we were still there AND DYING. And then the man has the audacity to try and win the presidency of our United States using his heroic war effort......... please give me a break. You can do something! Vote your conscience and please consider what terrors lie down the road. And BTW I am not a registered republican.......I call em one shot at a time with what I believe is the best good for not only our nation but the world........ ............................your fellow clusterhead tim |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by floridian on Mar 3rd, 2006, 10:50pm on 03/03/06 at 15:08:41, cardogman wrote:
In 2003, Florida passed tort reform. Have my medical premiums been cut in half? No, just more record cost increases, just like in the states that don't have tort reform. The fact is that less than 5% of health care costs go to malpractice. When the stock market turns down, the insurance companies have major financial problems - their secret is that they make most of their profits by investing the money they hold. Over the past ten years, the total amount of damages awarded in malpractice suits has been fairly steady. But malpractice insurance has risen dramatically, mostly to cover their losses in the stock market. Bush's medicare drug bill is also criminally wasteful. He said he would be a CEO-president. Then he passes a bill that prohibits the government (the largest buyer of healthcare) from negotiating to get the best price from the pharmacy companies!! What kind of CEO would not shop around for the best deal on supplies for his company? Only a fool or a crook. This is the great conservative solution for America?? Even the conservatives are starting to wake up to this, although they are a few trillion late. on 03/03/06 at 15:08:41, cardogman wrote:
Actually, they authorized the president to use force if necessary. It is stretching things to say that they approve of what went down - they merely authorized him with the power to make a decision. And one reason they did so is that Bush promised to pursue a negotiated solution and invade only as a last resort, which we now know was an outright lie. The Downing memos and other documents show that he had already decided to invade, even though he was talking about a negotiated solution. Bush proposed painting a US airplane with UN colors, and sending it in slow and low to draw fire and start a war. That is the criminal low that the man will stoop to. And where are the hyperpseudopatriots on that one? Bush willing to sacrifice American pilots under false flag to start a war that has nothing to do with America's security? |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 3rd, 2006, 10:59pm Unfortunately the President can do little to thwart of the pharmaceutical companies motives for making profit. These companies in some respect fuel the economy. I think tort reform could help because it would make the docs less paranoid about operating on people. Right now in Orthpedics alone surgeons are turning away people for Joint Replacement at an alarming rate here in New York. Why? obesity, because they are afraid that there will be an increase in post op complications which there is and then they get sued and have to defend themselves. Tort reform can help reduce the tide of frivoulous lawsuits. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by BobG on Mar 3rd, 2006, 11:11pm on 03/03/06 at 22:59:39, cardogman wrote:
Those docs should move to California and do breast agmentation. There's going to be a void soon. I saw on the news a couple days ago that California dentists (Yes, Dentists) can no longer do boob jobs. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by floridian on Mar 3rd, 2006, 11:18pm on 03/03/06 at 22:59:39, cardogman wrote:
Not talking about thwarting a company's attempt to make profit. The issue is do they remain one of the most profitable industries (10-20% average annual profit over past several decades), or do we give them the keys to the the treasury and tell them to charge as much as they like. A Real Conservative would talk about markets, and the fact that there isn't a free market in patent medicines - a patent is a legally enshrined monopoly, and free market principles tend to fail when a monopoly prevents competition. I couldn't find any evidence of the surgery being denied due to concerns over liability in obese patients, but did find plenty of articles that claimed that obese patients were not ideal candidates for many types of surgery. Maybe its the liberal media conspiracy, aided by thousands of doctors and the Clintons.... also came across this: WASHINGTON, March 1 (UPI) -- Former President Bill Clinton and National Governors Association Chairman Mike Huckabee are fighting U.S. childhood obesity, a problem each has faced. ... Clinton Tuesday urged governors to join the fight against obesity, which he said is responsible for 27 percent of the increase in U.S. healthcare costs since 1987 and led to a rapid increase in childhood diabetes, The Washington Post reported. ---- |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Pinkfloyd on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:46am on 03/03/06 at 19:27:44, nani wrote:
Ah, just another one of those shroomers claiming enlightment is a good thing. Bobw |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by _Lee_ on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:47am on 03/03/06 at 15:13:05, CHTom wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by _Lee_ on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:02am [ Tort reform can help reduce the tide of frivoulous lawsuits. Burt[/quote] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You really mean all lawsuits don't you? "Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods." Austin, Texas December 20, 2000. I have seen doctors kill people, no way to charge them, they have five or six people around them to testify as to their competence. Leave the law alone, if someone makes a mistake and the patient is disfigured or dies someone should be responsible. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Pinkfloyd on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:23am on 03/03/06 at 21:50:08, Lizzie2 wrote:
Did you read it or just figure it said something about Bush so it had to be bad? ::) on 03/03/06 at 21:50:08, Lizzie2 wrote:
Ah, youth. (I remember those days) 1. Which generation, at your age, wasn't "just making it"? 2. Do you think you get to vote on what or how, who's money goes where? You only allow your tax dollars to go to PETA, or what? ;) on 03/03/06 at 21:50:08, Lizzie2 wrote:
I know you think republicans are stupid but some of them actually went to college. Actually, almost every one that is spending your money, went to college. You probably didn't notice them. They might have been in economics class while you were reading, "It takes a village" ;) on 03/03/06 at 21:50:08, Lizzie2 wrote:
That's so more people can go to college that couldn't afford it before. (not for more beer money) Now, do you think this helps more baby democrats, or more baby republicans? on 03/03/06 at 21:50:08, Lizzie2 wrote:
If you read it again, you'll see where it says, "* Federal Stafford Loans disbursed after July 1, 2006 will have a fixed interest rate of 6.8%" So...new loans will have fixed rates. and.. Federal Stafford Loans NOT consolidated by June 30, 2006 will remain at a variable rate - Operative word being "remain" which means "he" didn't change them to variable rates. They were variable rates. on 03/03/06 at 21:50:08, Lizzie2 wrote:
So he can spend all he wants as long as it isn't your money he's spending? Thanks for giving him the go ahead. He'll probably run with that notion and spend all my money.....on PETA :o thats ok lizzie....I still like you. Believe it or not, the first person I ever voted for was Eugene McCarthy. My dad almost kicked my ass to Canada. By the time Nixon resigned, he had changed and went out and lowered the flag in the front yard, to half mast on our flag pole, and never told me to cut my hair again. We'll have crooks in office as long as we allow it. The republicans and democras are actually just one party. They pretend to be separate so we can throw half of them out every 8 years. We think we've changed something but...the laugh is on us. Bobw |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by _Lee_ on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:58am And to think I went out to dinner with you. Eugene McCarthy [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hurl.gif] :D |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by BobG on Mar 4th, 2006, 2:09am Quote:
Do like I did. Uncle Sam paid for all my college. Ended up with two AA degrees to qualify me to have 2 jobs I've never worked at. Thank you American taxpayers. But, I had to go in the Army first. Got enough money for school and enough left over for a kegger once a month. The keggers were a bad idea. Took 10 years to get through 6 years of school. Now that I'm older and wiser, would I do it again? Hell yes! But not the school part. ;;D |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by tanner on Mar 4th, 2006, 2:33am Hey pink, republican, democrat? ....i really don't give a rats ass ..........i like your style............tim |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 7:03am Tort Reform does not protect the truly incompetent Medical Practitioner they will still be sued. Someone said that Bush wanted to paint one of our planes with the UN Colors and go in low. Is that better or worse then two planes crashing in to the WTC and one trying to get to the penatagon. When you deal with terrorism, it's an open field. Let the games begin. burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Jonny on Mar 4th, 2006, 7:06am on 03/04/06 at 07:03:01, cardogman wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 8:38am While William Jefferson Clinton was getting his pipe cleaned in our Oval Office he also provided us with the largest tax increase in the history of the United states of America. That's propably a good way to reduce the deficit, don't ya think? Under who's watch was the WTC bombed the first time? Did he do anything about it? Maybe if he sent Monica Lewinsky to Afganistan they would have gotten so frightened after one look at her they would have stayed out of our country in fear that if a President of the United States would have her under his desk then he must be totally crazy and dangerous. Better yet maybe he should have sent that wife of his. She would have scared the crap out them. burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by zwibbs/Scott on Mar 4th, 2006, 8:50am Better yet maybe he should have sent that wife of his. She would have scared the crap out them. burt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hillary is a joke as a Senator, and She would scare anyone with those looks of hers.Lee doesn't like it when you talk about the Clintons. Slick was one of the best politicians I have ever seen...He knew how to work a room. Have to give him credit, he was president when the dot-com explosion was taking place on wall street , and he stated that it was part of his economic reform. It just shows how stupid Americans are They believed him. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 4th, 2006, 8:51am Quote:
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Its been pretty well established that this attack was the responsibility of Al quaeda / Bin Laden who was supported by the Taliban in Afghanistan Its also been prettyy well establisehed that there was no love between Hussein and Bin Laden Afghanistan was properly punished but I see no connection to where we are in Iraq now. burt, zwibbs/ scott WTF does looks have to do with anything? |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by floridian on Mar 4th, 2006, 9:14am on 03/04/06 at 07:03:01, cardogman wrote:
Right. Except that Saddam was not a sponsor of Al Qaeda, and invading Iraq was not related to terrorism, except in the minds of guillible sheeple. I have no problem with targeting Al Qaeda - like the recent bombing of a house suspected to harbor the #2 guy. We missed him, but apparently got some other people who were plotting against the US. Ok. If we have specific intelligence, we should act on it. But the idea that invading Iraq is in any way related to what Al Qaeda did is the Big Lie of our time. The decision to invade was made long before 9/11. This is what our allies in the British government have confessed: Quote:
An soon to be in-law of mine (helicopter crew chief) is scheduled to deploy in Iraq in a few months. 72% of our troops stationed there want a pullout within a year, and 29% want an immediate pull out. Just yesterday I saw a van being driven, the sides were covered with white writing: "Bush Killed My Son ...." Multiply that by 2300, and add in the 30,000 or so people with permanent disabilites from this unecessary war. Things are fucked up, and pretending that this is about terrorism is a sad and pathetic response. You owe it to your country to look at the charges: the administration lied to get us into a war, and that war is going badly. Regardless of your political affiliation, that can only be called high treason. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 9:27am Scott I agree with you. You are right on. Karma, I don't know where you reside but let me tell you something. Until you have your next door neighbor and good friend and 5 people in a two block radius die at the World Trade Center for absolutely no resason. Men and women with families, kids, spouses lives then you will never know how this affected our country. The people who are responsible for attaking our country are going to pay with their fucking lives. I don't quite care who the hell did it and what country they came from. In my opinion Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, the Palestinians, and a host of other piece of shit countries hold up these low lives and protect their asses. Let's stop being nice and call it like it is. They are scum and they will die. So what do you have to say about that huh. This is the best country in world and it is the best because we re not going to put up with those fucking murderers. And one other thing I don't give a shit how those prisoners are treated. They can beat the shit out of them until the cows come home. If they can hang our people by their necks over a bridge we can torture the shit out of them. What goes comes around goes around and visa versa.. Clinton didn't shit about them at least Bush is trying. He was too busy with his fly down in the building that we pay for. That's how I feel! burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:21am Burt, Where I live is about as relevant as invading Iraq because of what Al quaeda did. Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:40am One thing has almost nothing to do with the other. No one wants a war. If it hits home to you I would then want to know your opinion. This may be callus but it's reality. The same servicemen and woman who think we should pull out enlisted. They knew what the drill was. In this country if you decide to enlist in the armed services you always have to have it in the back of your mind that you could go to war. That does not make it better and it soesn't really help much. I don't want to see one American killed defending our country. But please all of those terrorists are the same no matter which country they eminate from. They want to kill us here. We need to get them first! BTW Karma where do you live? Did you say St. Maartin or St. Thomas. Nice place but I don't see any planes flying in to any of the Jewelry stores there. But you know what they may get our cruise ships one day while in port there. burt burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:53am Burt. If it helps. I'm black, I'm Muslim and I'm American. ;;D Don't get personal now! BTW its not likely any cruise ships will be targeted most of the crew are Philipino and Muslim and not one is registered in or belongs to the U.S. Not one thing you have said justifies invading Iraq. Because Iraq is now a magnet for extremists is a result of the invasion not a reason for going in. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:54am on 03/04/06 at 10:40:00, cardogman wrote:
Burt I spent 8 years in the United States Marine Corps, I swear to god If I could go back in today and deploy to Iraq I would. Not because I am a sick sadistic warmonger. But because my brothers and sisters are there, and who knows what I may contribute to their safety. During my time in the Marines I was deployed several times..Lebanon, Iraq, Panama, and a few other places the government will deny, like the border of Lybia when we went to bomb Qaddafi Duck when France was so helpful. Each time I went someplace there was always one person who sat down on the tarmac saying "I just joined for the college money". Well my recruiter had me sign a piece of paper as well as I can remember, stating that I was aware that I may be deployed at anytime. Well my thought on these folks is. Shut up get on the plane and it is time to earn the college money! My heart goes out to all the families who have someone over there or who have lost someone. But some one has to stand up and protect. Rodger |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:59am on 03/04/06 at 10:53:26, karma wrote:
Ahmen sister! But this highlighted part of your statement is the whole reason WHY WE SHOULD NOT PULL OUT Rodger |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 11:43am Karma, I'm not getting personal I'm just calling it the way I see it. Why would you think I would get personal. I have nothing against anybody. Color, religion, sex, size, weight, nothing. I just don't agree with you. However that's what makes us individuals and that's what makes the United States of America great. We can disagree and still like each other. The problem is that it's at times hard to do because people want others to agree with them. I think we need to be in Iraq. I think we need to blow them up if you want me to be candid with you. I think we need to blow Iran and North Korea up too. Then we need to go after Hugo Chavez and Castro. Listen if we want the freedoms we have here in the U.S. we are going to have to do what is necessary to protect ourselves. That's the bottom line. Harry Truman did it right. He taught the Japanese a lesson that in the history of their country they will never forget. We need to start thinking about handling these bastards the same way. before some lunatic does it to us. burt Post Script. I don't like Terrorists. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 4th, 2006, 11:44am Rodger, I haven't advocated withdrawing troops, my beef is why we went in to begin with. Saddly it's not a matter weather or not our troops should come home or not. They can't, not now and not for a good while yet. Because of that they need to be given every possible, tool or advantage possible to make sure they succeed. This situation has gotten real messy and the blame lays at the feet of jr. and no one else. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 11:49am Roger, George Bush is not to blame for any of this. This is invented by the liberal media. You know that. This is hogwash. If it wasn't for Bush we would have had another event by now. People are so fickle. The Congress wanted us there and then wanted us to win the thing in a week. Comparing it to Vietnam. I don't think so. I f we were allowed to do what we went over there it would have been over for them. We just weren't allowed to blow them up. burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:00pm This thread has been very enlightening. There are some scary and dangerous people out there. Thank goodness not all of them are running countries or recruiting armies. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by CHTom on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:02pm on 03/04/06 at 09:27:41, cardogman wrote:
Obviously you were not paying attention in history class, Burt. First we torture our "enemies" or "suspected enemies" that are not US citizens, then, as history has shown over and over again, nations that adopt such policies begin torturing our own citizens whose loyalty is "suspect", i.e., they don't agree with the government in power and dare to say so. I'll bet that had you been a Jew in a concentration camp in Germany in WWII you would have eagerly volunteered to become a "capo" (if you don't know what that is, crack open a book). You really should start taking your medications again. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:05pm on 03/04/06 at 11:49:39, cardogman wrote:
Burt I never said GW Bush was to blame for this..I said we don't need a massive pullout..If you look at history and Osama PULLING OUT is allot of the problem..Back in the early 80's when Russia was in Afghanistan we sent CIA and Army "advisers" to aid the Afghan rebels..then we left them high and dry. At that time Osama was a good ole boy and we were helping him. When we left the Afghan people is when the Muslim extremist started looking poorly on the US. There is more to it than that but that is when allot of our problems with the Extremist started. Personally I like GW. I voted for him twice..but I feel that we had no right to invade Iraq, but we are there and we need to clean up the mess we made. Just my two cents and there folks here who are better versed on history than I am. Rodger |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:08pm nani [smiley=laugh.gif] Now I think I'll be of East Indian descent and Buddhist but still American to see who isn't hated. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:11pm on 03/04/06 at 12:08:37, karma wrote:
The sad thing is Americans hate everyone..We are a nation of racists and bigots..We don't want to say we are. But if truth be known we are. Watch the movie crash and you will see a true picture of America... Rodger (redneck cracker) |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:17pm Quote:
WOW!!What a statement! I'm proud to say that I do not resemble that remark nor do my parents who raised me or my children who have been raised to respect everyone. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:26pm on 03/04/06 at 12:08:37, karma wrote:
LMAO... You have no idea how hard it was for me to be quiet, uh, sis. ;) |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by floridian on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:27pm on 03/04/06 at 09:27:41, cardogman wrote:
By your standard, Israel is a much better country than the US - they are much tougher on terrorism. And maybe the soviet union under Stalin was the best country ever - ruthless, and ruthless = good in your book. I was under the impression that our country was great because of our constitution and the principles it embodies. Freedoms and respect for individual liberties. And you say never mind about what the founding fathers thought about unreasonable search and siezure, never mind about the rights of the accused. If anyone points a finger at them, they must be guilty and its ok to torture them. Like the guy suspected of stealing a car in Iraq who ended up in Abu Graib and was soddomized with a broom stick in the name of freedom. You have sick-fuck logic, Cardog man. Can I see your doctor's diagnosis? |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:42pm on 03/04/06 at 12:17:54, karma wrote:
That is an arrogant statement...I too raise my children to respect others as did my parents...but before you respond in haste ask your self one question. Well actually two. First do you speak another language...or are you multilingual..WAIT FOR IT Second if you do speak another language have you ever introduced someone or been in a group of people who speak the same second language as you and left the person you introduced out of a conversation by speaking in a language they don't understand...even in your translation to your friend you left something out..Them Don't respond to this except to yourself...If you have done the above mentioned you are guilty of racism and profiling someone.. Americans by their very nature are racist whether they intend to be or not. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:55pm Rodger, I don't quite know how to respond to that. Where I live Dutch, Spanish, Papiaumento, French, English, Creole and Surinames are all commonly spoken. Not That I speak all these languages but it can be a real challenge to hold a conversation in everyones language of choice. added; besides that your analogy sucks. Thats not profiling or racism is just bad manners. Christ I go through that all the time. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by floridian on Mar 4th, 2006, 12:59pm on 03/04/06 at 12:42:36, medic1852 wrote:
So was my wife guilty of being racist to her mother when she was talking to our son in law (who only speaks English) and her mother (who speaks no English) and she turned to her mother, and inadvertently spoke to her in English?! Language is a cultural phenomenon, not a racial one. And if you have ever tried to translate at a party or a multiparty conversation, you would find it is absolutely impossible to be a 100% conveyor of all meaning. Nothing to do with racism, or xenophobia. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:01pm Roger, My staement was not directed to you. I agree with everything you said other then we should have not invaded. I think we should have. I also have my opinions about all of this BUT WILL DEFEND ANYONES RIGHT TO DISAGREE. That is why this country is free. ( so far ) Did anyone see the news report today about the nice young man from the Mid East who drove his SUV in to a crowd of Students at I think it was University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill because he doesn't agree with the U.S. Policies. He was educated in America at a fine Institution. That's what they do in those countries. We don't settle our differences that way here. But you know sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. Unfortunately I think this is the only way to fight these people by giving back there own medicine. That's why we will be there too long. We are being too nice. Why don't we go over to the jail and invite him out for lunch. burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:04pm on 03/04/06 at 12:59:45, floridian wrote:
It does have to do with racism...in its simplest form..Not if you do it out of accident as your wife did....or at a party where there are a variety of languages spoke and you are correct in saying the you can not translate 100%...But like I said it is racist in its simplest form when you as you say being "rude" |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:10pm on 03/04/06 at 13:01:33, cardogman wrote:
Burt I will agree to this statement....Americas Mothers will not allow the US to use the force necessary or the means and tactics needed to stop what we started...Also a big thing we need to do if allowed to use the tactics to stop this is to pull the media out of country. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:10pm Floridian, I understand your politics it is all around us here in New York. I believe in the Constitution. I also believe in getting even. If one of my budies in our platoon didn't clean the barrel of his rifle who do you think marched. THE WHOLE PLATOON. Is that fair? Absolutely not. But these things happen. Would you rathr just give them all a break. How many people did it take to knock down the two tallest buildings and kill thousands of innocent people in New York City. I with all due respect cannot worry about that one fellow who unfortunately only stole a car and got visited anally by a broom stick. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by medic1852 on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:13pm Folks I would love to sit and discuss this, but someone pointed out to me that my example was flawed and I put myself in a hole and the walls are sand and it would take me all day to dig myself out of this one...But I need to go to work. Maybe when I come home I will be able to dig myself out... But I stand by the statement that it is human or American nature to be racist. Rodger. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 4th, 2006, 1:21pm Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by john_d on Mar 4th, 2006, 2:19pm I agree that racism is a human problem, but it's not a uniquely American problem and I don't think it could be labeled as an American problem. It's just dirty laundry so we only know about our own. The mind is always looking for order in human experience, combine that search for order with a crippling fear of the unknown and voila- racism is born. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 2:46pm Correct John. That's a good way of putting it. I have tried my whole life long not to be racist. I grew up in a Jewish home and I was taught to be careful of Blacks,, my parents of course used the word Negro. Goim which means gentiles and anything else. It's hard to get that out of your head and your way of thinking. I can tell you that other races have had the same experiences growing up. We all try I think or I hope we do. We are not born with it. It's a learned response. I have tried to un learn it. burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Pinkfloyd on Mar 4th, 2006, 3:41pm on 03/04/06 at 01:58:30, _Lee_ wrote:
I'm surprised that having dinner in one of the strongest republican counties in the country, didn't give you a rash. [smiley=laugh.gif] on 03/04/06 at 01:58:30, _Lee_ wrote:
Proof that youth is wasted on people too young to appreciate it fully. There is a book out (wish I could find it again) about the perils of allowing the government to offer the military as the best option to solve all our problems. Not meaning war etc, but things like education, national disasters, economy, etc. Need an education? Best option for many is joining the military. Best option to recover from national disasters, the military, as in Katrina. Need a job, join the army. Hungry, get some MRE's. The B1 bomber was built with parts manufactured in all 50 states. This was done so that any representative that wanted to put a stop to it would also be hurting his state's economy. As we rely more upon the military to take care of our every need, we allow it to grow to the point that every decision our government makes, is based upon a military solution. "This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. " D.D. Eisenhower (a republican and a general for those that don't know) 01-17-1961 Farewell Speech. Bobw |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Charlie on Mar 4th, 2006, 4:13pm Quote:
Bush is leaving bloodstains on three continents and we've discovered that Saddam was less directly involved with Al Qaeda than was Dubai. He spends 100s of billions of dollars and thousands of lives chasing around newly converted hate America zealots, largely thanks to his poor marksmanship. He missed by three countries. "His Middle East policy has suffered from the triple defects of that subspecies of the Right: hubris, ideology and immaturity. Neo-conservatives see the world as they wish it to be, not as it is. Like teenagers, they act on impulse, and rail against the counsel of experience. "Often clever, never wise." He refused to listen to traditional conservatives"--Pat Buchanan One or two other things is enough for me: Bush & Company's goal since--and really before 9/11-- has been to treat the 1st Amendment as "only a theory," it seems--ala their silly Darwin rantings. Tom Friedman's idea of leaving Guantanamo now and bulldozing the place is a good one. We don't do torture here or there. We are in more danger of losing freedoms and our long-held sense of American fair play and tolerance from the wishful thinkers camped out around the Oval Office than those in Baghdad. Someone said the if we leave; Iraq will be overrun with Iraqis. Democracy is just that. Before you get anywhere with Jeffersonian-style democracy in these places, you have to go through religious zealots ruling from mosques that won't give up their fun--for decades--by the most rosy estimates. The bloodbath is just beginning and we have finally succeeded in creating a home for bin Laden worshippers and winning the local war on us; especially the poor and infirm while pandering to corporate greed by appointing the most inept people he can find to protect us from the same...but we're at war; let's party. These are people so much better at inflicting pain than feeling it and much better at taking things apart than putting them together. Charlie |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by CHTom on Mar 4th, 2006, 4:27pm I'll be visiting Cassadaga later this year, Charlie-I'd like to meet you-you have a good brain and put it to good use! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 4th, 2006, 6:28pm Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 9:59pm Charlie, Although well written I believe your theory is flawed. There is evil in the world and evil in the souls of some human beings. In your opinion what would have happened to this country if we did nothing after the WTC attack. How many warnings did Hussein have. How many times did he play games with the inspectors. How many people did he have to slaughter until someone stepped in to end his regime. If every night you come home from work you hear your neighbors child screaming in pain from the abuse heaped on he or she, how long are you going to go in your house and do nothing about it. Did we not learn from the Holocaust. Should we not be doing something in other places in this world to try to stop the terror and the torture of people. Is it wrong to be the police of the countries that are causing so much pain to their own people with the power they have over them. burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by BobG on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:34pm on 03/04/06 at 21:59:02, cardogman wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Kevin_M on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:45pm on 03/04/06 at 21:59:02, cardogman wrote:
Yes, it does seem like those kind of human beings that cause problems. on 03/04/06 at 09:27:41, cardogman wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:54pm Kevin, If I am not mistaken I think you were trying to make an analogy that I somehow might be evil. In some respects you may be correct. I believe that sometimes to stop the problem we must behave in the same manner. This means that we can't just lie down and accept the trouble that these countries are causing the free world. In order to cure the problem drastic steps must sometimes be taken. Do you not agree? Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Kevin_M on Mar 4th, 2006, 10:59pm on 03/04/06 at 22:54:15, cardogman wrote:
yes on 03/04/06 at 22:45:42, Kevin_M wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 4th, 2006, 11:26pm This means that we can't just lie down and accept the trouble that these countries are causing the free world. In order to cure the problem drastic steps must sometimes be taken. Do you not agree? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- C'mon Kevin this is a discussion. It's not fair to quote me out of context man. You skipped the above in your reply didn't you? burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Kevin_M on Mar 5th, 2006, 6:25am on 03/04/06 at 23:26:15, cardogman wrote:
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on 03/04/06 at 09:27:41, cardogman wrote:
on 03/04/06 at 21:59:02, cardogman wrote:
on 03/04/06 at 22:54:15, cardogman wrote:
Get it now Burt? on 03/04/06 at 21:59:02, cardogman wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 5th, 2006, 7:03am There is one thing I am sure we would all agree on and that is it's a bad situation over there in Iraq. I think we need to complete what was started and then get out. I hope that we can agree to disagree if our points of view and our beliefs as to what needs to be done now and in the future are different. Lets all hope that we can all live in a safe place and that our kids and their kids and so on one day don't have to worry about terrorism. That's one of my main concerns. The other is the loss of life in our our military. Burt |
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Title: Sound the Retreat!! Post by floridian on Mar 5th, 2006, 9:25am Quote:
If you keep defining the war in Iraq as the war on terror, you will probably have to admit defeat. We removed Saddam to avenge the honor of Bush's father and spread democracy. We took away his imaginary WMDs. We may have also destabilized a country to the point where a civil war ensued, and the chaos has fertilized bloodshed and terrorism. America can boast that it is the strongest bull in the china shop called Iraq. But it can't say that it really helped much. Better to get out. As the Downing street memos and hundreds of intelligence experts have commented, "not much consideration for the aftermath." Atleast the governments may finally be admitting the obvious. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 5th, 2006, 11:11am As a broad and general statement I think we now must consider any conflict with any number of those countries a war on terror. It's really a shame that I just don't feel as safe as I once did. We need to go after these bastards. We need to find Bin Laden and his henchman. It's just very frustrating. That's it for my opinions. I think we could go on forever on this topic. burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Charlie on Mar 5th, 2006, 6:11pm Quote:
After all this time we finally hear the right wing chest pounders declaring that they're no longer the traditional isolationists that their parties have held as gospel for decades. Of course when they cross over the bridge, it's not to help people or try to make life better in the world; it's to destroy the very victims of the tyrants that we all hate. Modern war is directed primarily against civilians. We've been hearing a lot from the "kill 'em all; let God sort 'em out" crowd because of their inability to pick the right target. Don't make the mistake of thinking that I'm some kind of history-denying pacifist. The world's history reflects that that can be dangerous. The thing is that I kinda like not to waste my ammo. Killing every Iraqi in sight will make things worse for the whole world. The terrorists will simply get out of town for a time. Who knows where they'll go? Europe is only a train ride away. No wonder they aren't nuts about this war. Europeans are already in their crosshairs. Charlie |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by maffumatt on Mar 5th, 2006, 7:33pm on 03/05/06 at 18:11:41, Charlie wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by CHTom on Mar 5th, 2006, 9:49pm Amen, Charlie. Cardoggieboy, the reason that we haven't been able to find Bin Laden has more to do with our wonderful leaders than anything else. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by JDH on Mar 5th, 2006, 10:29pm on 03/05/06 at 21:49:06, CHTom wrote:
true. As time goes on bin Laden seems to be less of a priority...why? [smiley=huh.gif] Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 5th, 2006, 10:51pm What would you recommend we do if he was caught? Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by JDH on Mar 5th, 2006, 11:16pm on 03/05/06 at 22:51:11, cardogman wrote:
A lot of possibilities on what we could do with him. Being drawn and quartered on pay per view comes to mind :o Jim |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by tanner on Mar 6th, 2006, 12:12am JDH, very nicely taken out of context! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Charlie on Mar 6th, 2006, 2:40am Quote:
Dunno. My first impulse when they dug Saddam out of his hole was that it was too bad they didn't off then and there. We do a good job waltzing around the law in other cases. Not doing so has cost many lives so far. Probably the best thing to happen if they ever get around to knocking on bin Laden's door is to grease him. It will probably save a lot of beheadings. Putting him on trial wouldn't be much fun for anybody. Charlie http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/personal/vinsent.gif?SSImageQuality=Full |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Mr. Happy on Mar 6th, 2006, 2:42am on 03/05/06 at 22:51:11, cardogman wrote:
Caught? CAUGHT? What Caught? It should never come to that. Never. Tofu, anyone? RJ |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 6th, 2006, 7:07am I would like to bring him to New York City. I would like to place him right where the World Trade Center used to be. I would like to get 2000 people related to the people that perished there. I would then like to give him 2 minutes to run in any direction. Then the normal course of events would apply to a murderous beast. That would be the end of him. burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by chewy on Mar 6th, 2006, 7:21am If the CIA had been allowed to utilize their policy for assasination we wouldn't be there at all. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by blood_Redd_son on Mar 6th, 2006, 9:04am heh heh heh..... saw somethin on the news friday, bush went to india, right? he went to ghandi's grave, but before he did, he sent dogs to the grave. GREAT DISGRACE TO THE INIDIAN PEOPLE! i think it's a disgrace. bush in all is the worlds biggest |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 6th, 2006, 10:42am there is really nothing that Bush can do that the bashers don't enjoy finding some reason why they despise it, him or everyone around him. so, lap it up folks. spend some time with history and realize that the bitching associated with 2nd terms is almost perfunctory and, most of the times just as shrill as you guys sound. it is, simply boring to listen to. scott |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 6th, 2006, 11:10am Scott, For me this isn't Republican vs. Democrat or Bush vs Clinton, in my book they have all lost sight of what its like to be a normal 9 -5 er who doesn't have the advantage of people needing something from them and are willing to pay for it. Most Presidents will use the second half of the second term to build on there legacy. This man believes that he is only accountable to God and only God can judge him. Scary, Scary mentality. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 6th, 2006, 11:17am whatever. you have your beliefs, he has his. in the end he won't be president anymore, in a couple of years. the main point is that productive debate is one thing. great. debate issues, lay it down with the objective of finding a place for agreement. but, the pointless whining just gets so old (on both sides of the issues). if you want to change something -- go out and change it. it can still be done. but it isn't going to happen in the "blogasphere", or spouting on endlessly in message boards or chatrooms. you might as well just sit around and improve your score playing HALO or something equally as pointless. scott |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 6th, 2006, 11:20am on 03/06/06 at 11:17:56, seasonalboomer wrote:
But what if I just like to hear myself complain? :P Oh, what's HALO? |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 6th, 2006, 11:31am on 03/06/06 at 11:20:48, nani wrote:
Try to keep it all bottled up inside instead :-X pent up anger is actually good for you. (Maybe if there weren't so many outlets for people to just spew out everything that crosses their mind, more people would be moved to ACTION. The internet makes it too easy to bitch and not be heard, but feel like you've actually done something) Halo is video game available on XBox and considered by those who don't admire videogame skills as the ultimate pointless activity. scott |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 6th, 2006, 11:38am I once spent an entire summer glued to a Tetris game. The kids got mad, because I hogged their turns. It was fun. In a sick, addictive, pointless kinda way. I'm pretty sure I multitasked during some of it though. I was pissed at Bush then, too. ::) Oh, and just sos ya know...I complained about Bill, too. He was a good president, but he was a dawg. Plain and simple. Call me crazy, but I expect more from people I am supposed to trust to lead our country. How can I really trust someone who's own wife can't? |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by maffumatt on Mar 6th, 2006, 12:48pm there are three kinds of people in the world; sheep, wolves and sheepdogs. The sheep deny that the wolves exist and go about being sheepish until the wolves actualy come amongst them. Then there are the wolves that prey upon the sheep with violence. Then there are the sheepdogs, they protect the sheep from the wolves, but are they are also violent. The thing about the sheepdogs is that the sheep don't like like them because they are a reminder that there are wolves out there. The sheepdogs know this but they are still there because it is there job to protect the sheep from the wolves whether if the sheep like it or not. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 6th, 2006, 12:55pm Um, Matt? Which one am I? LOL I see myself more as a goose. You know, sometimes I run around making a lot of noise, I'm mean when I have to be and I'm pretty good at ignoring when I want to. ;) |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Racer1_NC on Mar 6th, 2006, 12:58pm on 03/06/06 at 12:55:44, nani wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by maffumatt on Mar 6th, 2006, 1:00pm you ever get a goose mad Nani? They are some bad ass birds if you get them riled. http://www.local6.com/news/4047055/detail.html I would say your a sheepdog, you just sleep alot. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by nani on Mar 6th, 2006, 1:06pm Bill... :P LOL Matt, believe it or not, I'm kind of a badass, too. ::) If I get mad. But, you're right, I do sleep a lot, so I'm usually pretty mellow... I've had geese, they can be scary. I can't open the video, but I can imagine! LMAO |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 6th, 2006, 1:08pm Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by maffumatt on Mar 6th, 2006, 1:17pm in most of the parables, the shepherd is the higher power |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 6th, 2006, 1:27pm mine Quote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by maffumatt on Mar 6th, 2006, 1:35pm please don't mix my quotes with others without identifying who they are, as it is, someone would think that I wrote both quotes, which I didn't. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 6th, 2006, 1:47pm better? ::) |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by maffumatt on Mar 6th, 2006, 2:17pm Yes sir, thank you very much. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by deltadarlin on Mar 6th, 2006, 3:22pm [quote author=blood_Redd_son link=board=general;num=1141214615;start=125#140 date=03/06/06 at 09:04:41] he went to ghandi's grave, but before he did, he sent dogs to the grave. GREAT DISGRACE TO THE INIDIAN PEOPLE! i think it's a disgrace. quote] I'm going to go out on a limb here and make the assumption that Bush himself had nothing to do with those dogs that *visited* Ghandis' grave. I would assume that those dogs were bombsniffing dogs and were used by the military or some other entity to insure that no bombs were present. Bush himself, most likely would have had no sayso in what security measures were used. Also, why would it be an insult? Hinduism views all animals/life as sacred. 'darlin |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by CHTom on Mar 6th, 2006, 3:32pm [quote author=deltadarlin quote] I would assume that those dogs were bombsniffing dogs and were sued by the military or the some other entity to insure that no bombs were present. 'darlin [/quote] Why in the hell would the military or "some other entity(?)" be suing bomb sniffing dogs? Did they fail to find bombs before? If I were Bush, I'd get some new dogs instead-damn lawyers are suing everything! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by purpleydog on Mar 6th, 2006, 3:53pm on 03/06/06 at 15:22:02, deltadarlin wrote:
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by purpleydog on Mar 6th, 2006, 4:00pm I'm so glad we have the grammar, spelling, word usage security here. ::) Although, sometimes, its pretty entertaining... but hard on some folks, especially the teachers in our fine viewing audience. Or anyone who did well in English grammar. Ces't la vie! :) |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Charlie on Mar 6th, 2006, 4:39pm Quote:
Uh uh. Endless screeching from the right telling us that Bill Clinton & Co. would destroy the economy....when neocons are wrong, they are really wrong.....worked well for them. The decibel level reached historic proportions. Because of the constant din, they took over both houses and the executive just in time to appoint young enough judges to make sure their plans for turning back the country to 1880 with regressive legislation will hang on for a couple of generations....not that there's anything wrong with that... say oil and drug company conglomerates. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/nea.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Too bad. It's turn. I love it when a President says that he pays no attention to polls. They always say that when things get sticky. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/acute.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by maffumatt on Mar 6th, 2006, 5:18pm I think the mid term elections will determine if your right Charlie, to tell the truth I am about as sick of politics as I am of CH. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 6th, 2006, 7:41pm There are three kinds of people in the world. The first person goes out and makes it happen. The second person goes out and watches it happen. The third person says " what happened? George Bush is the first person. I would like to have seen Bill Clinton walk in to a Presidency with all the issues that we have had in this country. He would still be looking under the table saying " don't stop ". burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Charlie on Mar 6th, 2006, 7:56pm It would be nice if there was an Eisenhower around. Ike was the kind of bloke that said what's good for the country rather what will insure that my side gets re-elected Charle |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by john_d on Mar 6th, 2006, 7:59pm on 03/06/06 at 19:41:11, cardogman wrote:
He definitely makes 'it' happen. The US is now in a great big world of 'it'. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by floridian on Mar 6th, 2006, 8:10pm on 03/06/06 at 19:41:11, cardogman wrote:
What you said reminds me of the quote: "The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it." (Marx, the Eleventh Thesis). But what was more revealling was the Bush White House staffer who said something a little different to one reporter: Quote:
That is the moronic hubris we are dealing with. We are so powerful our shit don't stink. Evolution and gravity are just 'theories.' President moron sure as hell didn't get anything done after hurricane Katrina. Now the video is out that showed he was fully briefed on the possibilities. But shortly after the storm, he flat out lied when he said no one could have predicted the consequences. Just like Condoleeza lied when she said that no one could have predicted that Al Qaeda would use airplanes to attack us - the CIA Presedential Daily Briefing for August 6, 2001 was titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in US" and it specifically mentioned hijacking airplanes. And the White House slept until September... They thought they were so swell they could create their own reality. Oops. PS - check out the Daytona thread, Burt. 8) |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 6th, 2006, 8:56pm Correct me if I am wrong please. Did George Bush unilaterally decide to go in to Iraq or was their a vote in Congress? Does the Federal Government act prior to the State in an emergency. I can answer those. 1. Bush did not decide to go in to Iraq by himself. As a matter FACT most Democrats voted for it. 2. There is something called States Rights. This means that the State must first act in an emergency and not the Feds until they are asked to. Maybe just maybe Hillary and all those other hollier then thows voted to go in to Iraq. Maybe just maybe Mayor Nagin should be voted the most incompetent politician in mankind and the runner up should be the Governor of the State. Bush seems to get all the blame. When he shouldn't It's pretty clear most Democrats don't agree with Bush's stance. Most Republicans do. I say most. I am sure the are some that cross the line. burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by BobG on Mar 6th, 2006, 9:14pm Quote:
No they don't. They're just to pansy-assed to say "Fuck you George" out loud. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Jonny on Mar 6th, 2006, 9:21pm Why does 35 billion dollars of taxpayer money a year go to colleges? |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by CHTom on Mar 6th, 2006, 9:34pm on 03/06/06 at 21:21:20, Jonny wrote:
Yeah, why? Only rich guys should go to college (of course, a lot of that money goes to colleges to perform research for the government, but that's OK-we shouldn't do anything to help to allow poor people to go to college-keep them in their place, otherwise they'll get all uppity!)(and stuff)! |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by floridian on Mar 6th, 2006, 9:38pm on 03/06/06 at 21:21:20, Jonny wrote:
For the same reason we spend twice that on the Iraq war every year? Because singing kumbaya with our Iraqi friends is more important than funding research into biotechnology, computers, and other technologies where the US has not completely lost its edge? Quote:
Cancer kills 500, 000 Americans a year. We spend 4.5 billion of taxpayer money for cancer research. Terrorism killed only ~5000 Americans, less than one percent of that number - over the last Decade. So obviously, machoprik Americans want to spend even more on kicking A-rab ass in countries that had nothing to do with the Twin Towers massacre, and cut funding to our universities. Because too many Americans are ignorance-proud and are happy to not know the difference between Iraq and Iran. Because the lives of the terror victims are worth so much more than the neighbor kid who died of leukemia - thousands of times more in terms of goverment spending. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by BobG on Mar 6th, 2006, 9:42pm on 03/06/06 at 21:21:20, Jonny wrote:
For one thing, to pay to fire the head honcho. Recently the President of UNLV got fired. The head of the University Regents didn't like her and ordered her fired. She got a $760,000 (2 years base pay) going away present. Plus $36,000 for a bonus that nobody knew she was qualified for. And gets to keep her University supplied car (Cadilac Escalade) for 2 more years. Apparently she can't afford to use her private car to go look for a job. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Melissa on Mar 6th, 2006, 9:49pm [smiley=gocrazy.gif] That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular...just the whole God Damn THREAD! Ya know, after all the months of reading threads about Politics, Bush & Co., etc., I already know where each one of you stands. Funny, isn't it? I mean really...who are we trying to sway here? Beings we're clusterheads, we're all stubborn suns of bitches anyway, so why beat a dead horse? (and no, you shouldn't do it for fun! That's just plain wrong! ;;D) Is it for fun or what? I'm sorry, but I never understood these types of "debates" and why they seem to never end.... [smiley=laugh.gif] p.s. I need another glass of wine, BRB ;) |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Charlie on Mar 6th, 2006, 10:09pm Quote:
Better than the 100s of billions that go to oil, drug, and other wonderful old time company pals of the enormously wealthy Bush family in tax breaks and no bid contracts. It's still staggering even discounting Iraq. Republicans have fought aid to education on every level forever in favor of tax cuts to incredibly greedy CEOS with mailing addresses off shore while unfunding and virtually destroying programs to help with heath care, veterans and poor children. George 1st did the same thing. A nasty bunch. Quote:
Hilarious. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/5.gif There is also something called common sense. This is one of those crackpot Beavis and Butthead excuses for Bush & Co's. utter incompetence. You do the right thing when you turn on CNN and see the destruction. You make a call and tell them what to do. Going by the book at a time like that shows idiocy and complete disregard for people...... Of course the Democratic Governor is to blame. It's incredble the way these people think. Charlie |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Melissa on Mar 6th, 2006, 10:12pm Scratch that! Even though I KNOW ya'll would like me to stay up and watch, I just have got to get to bed! Morning always comes early ya know! ;) night night :) btw, the snow we got yesterday was quite packy, so Eli and I built our first snowman together. ;;D g'night!!! :-* :-* :-* :-* |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by maffumatt on Mar 6th, 2006, 10:33pm http://www.trimpe.org/jr/pictures/good-one.jpg http://www.trimpe.org/jr/pictures/grain-of-salt.jpg |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by BobG on Mar 6th, 2006, 10:45pm on 03/06/06 at 22:09:48, Charlie wrote:
Yep. George 1 tried to destroy FEMA by cutting off it’s funding. Got a good start on it. Clinton started rebuilding it. Got a good start but didn’t have time. Lil’ George carried out daddy’s wishes of destroying FEMA by moving it to the Homeland bureaucracy. Those “books” are just Public Relations eyewash. Something to bring out to the public and say “Look how prepared we are. Aren’t we wonderful? Give us money.” We have “Emergency Orders” books at my job. What to do during earthquakes, forest fires, mud slides, PCB spills, power system collapse, etc. First thing to do during an emergency is toss the “Emergency Orders” book in the trash. It’s only hogwash ordered by the bureaucratic PUC for bragging rights. Pure BS. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Pinkfloyd on Mar 7th, 2006, 1:05am on 03/06/06 at 22:45:23, BobG wrote:
Oh, I don't know. I think the entire nation demanded a complete shake-up of all the orgs that screwed up before/during/after 911. No one was working together. Putting new people in charge of each org, or writing new job specifications wouldn't have changed things. It was probably a good idea to combine them all but they were all too big to begin with. Put them all together and it'll take 10 years just to get them back to square one (if ever). Doesn't help to put incompetents in charge. They don't even replace the incompetents with fewer of them, they just add another layer. Posted by: Melissa Posted on: Today at 8:49pm Ya know, after all the months of reading threads about Politics, Bush & Co., etc., I already know where each one of you stands. Funny, isn't it? I mean really...who are we trying to sway here? Well, I think Charlie has me ready to start a new party. And BobG just made me say "fuck you george" out loud. Bobw |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 7th, 2006, 6:49am Let's see now. OJ Simpson didn't kill those two people. Micheal Jackson isn't a child molester. George Bush worked with the Jews to blow up the World Trade Center. George Bush went in to Iraq so his family could make money on the oil. It was George Bush's fault for the whole Katrina thing. Mayor Nagin did nothing wrong as it relates to the hurricane. The Governor of the State is very competent. Bill Clinton made sure that after the first WTC attack that our country would be secure. The rest of the worlds impression of the United States got better after they found out that Monica Lewinsky was Bill Clinton's girlfriend. Bill an Hillary had nothing to do with the White Water Scandel. We paid less taxes when Clinton was President. He did not have sex with that woman! There is only one reason this country is in shambles and that's because John Kerry was not elected. This a true or false test. Use a number 2 pencil and make sure you fill in the boxes completely. Burt :P |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by john_d on Mar 7th, 2006, 7:06am Mixing obvious and outrageous falsehoods in with people's suspicions and some plain truths does not make them any less suspicious, or true. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by maffumatt on Mar 7th, 2006, 7:12am i think that statement works for both sides of the coin. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by john_d on Mar 7th, 2006, 7:28am you mean the democrat-republic and liberal-conservative coin? Life is not binary and neither is the way I think. Besides I did not see a lefty do a true/false like that bullshit logic attempt, not that I would not have slammed him as well. I want a leader that is smart enough not to turn the entire world against us, is that too much to ask? |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by cardogman on Mar 7th, 2006, 7:42am I don't think the entire world is against us. We once went on a cruise and one of the stops was a private island to have lunch and jet ski. I think that place didn't have a problem with the U.S. but they may have been faking it. ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D Seriously though the world is jealous of the United States and our life style here. It always boils down to that in my opinion. Little do they know that we have a bunch of poverty here and other troubles and that th streets are not paved in gold. I am a Republican that grew up a liberal Democrat so I will always have concern for poor people and folks who have troubles. I also believ that Republicans share my feelings. It's not all black and white. Burt |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by deltadarlin on Mar 7th, 2006, 8:00am on 03/06/06 at 21:34:59, CHTom wrote:
Uhm, unless thes colleges are offering scholarships to students, the money they receive isn't used for *poor* students. Poor? That's what student loans and grants are for. Or, gasp, maybe the *poor* could work their little a$$es off and get full scholarships? As to the *blame* game in Katrina, EVERYONE dropped the ball here, from Dems to Repubs, white/black/, fed/state govt. BUT, if we want to look for where the big f*ckup started in New Orleans, it lands right back in Nagin's lap (who had busses at his disposal and failed to use them to assist in evacuating New Orleans). NAgin is a Dem, New Orleans is controlled by Dems (gee, it's a wonder someone hasn't blamed Katrina on the Bush! Maybe he had his weather scientists *cook* up a hurricane, so that nasty pocket of Democrats could be cleaned out of New Orleans). |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by BarbaraD on Mar 7th, 2006, 8:12am The truth of the matter is -- it's NOT the rich or poor who are getting the axe on taxes -- its the middle class - you and me mostly. I just read the stuff we're getting hit with NEXT year and it gets worse... The poor get their breaks - the rich get their breaks but the middle class get hit again and again.. We're the ones who go to work every day - we're the ones who PAY to send our kids to college (make a little too much for all the free stuff). We're the ones who can't get on any programs (make a little too much for that cause we have a job and all that). We're the small employers who are the big bad people who aren't paying our employees enough (never mind that we're doing without to pay them what we can and they're not doing what we're paying them to do in the first place). We're the ones who "wait" in the doctor's office while the "free" paitients go ahead of us because we have insurance we "paid" for. Frankly, I'm for term limits in DC (and everywhere else). Career politicans are NOT what this country needs. We need an infusion of NEW blood every 8 years or so - let people LIVE with the laws they make. Let our politicians live on SS like the rest of us. Let them live with the insurance companies the way we do. MAYBE then we'd get something done. Now I don't care who Bill Clinton slept with and think all that hullaballoo was just hype and a lot of money spent for nothing. But I do care that George II is draining our federal coffers without rhyme or reason and letting our kids be killed for his own gains (oil). If ever an impeachment process needed to become a reality - it's now, but we just let him continue to be a cowboy. Each president blames everything on the last one, but George has had six years to get his act together and he just keeps diggin in deeper and deeper. I don't think Cousin Bill could have done that much damage in only 8 years.... I do know the middle class people were a lot better off on income taxes during Bill's reign. And that's my 2 cents..... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by Melissa on Mar 7th, 2006, 8:42am on 03/07/06 at 01:05:03, Pinkfloyd wrote:
Do they have theme dances? ;;D Quote:
:o You mean you haven't said it before? ;) My posts were joking, really, I had a wee bit too much to drink last night. For some reason a bottle of Boone's has more alcohol content than my Lambrusco. I mean geez, I was just trying to get rid of the last bottle we had leftover from our Valentines party!! :-/ Anyway, sorry if I offended anyone with my post(s), but don't you guys that normally post on these political threads ever get tired of the constant complaining about our government? I mean really, can't we pick on another countries government for once? ;;D ;)mel p.s. (squeezing eyes tightly chanting) 2008, 2008, 2008, 2008, 2008, 2008, 2008,.... |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by karma on Mar 7th, 2006, 9:13am Quote:
I think this may have been the reason for starting this to begin with. Having lived most of my life outside the continental United States I think I may have some authority on how people views the U.S. and Americans. The U.S. is still viewed as a land of opportunity, sadly Americans are viewed as overbearing, arrogant, rude and stupid. That hurts! added, No I'm not blaming it on jr. but you gott admit he hasn't helped. |
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Title: Re: A very dangerous man! Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 7th, 2006, 9:56am on 03/06/06 at 21:49:13, Melissa wrote:
Melissa, The point you make is "spot on". I wish I had made it in that exact way yesterday. Scott |
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