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(Message started by: BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Feb 25^th, 2006, 3:09pm)

Title: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Feb 25^th, 2006, 3:09pm

The holiday is quickly approaching, need to get plans finalized.
Gonna have a semi-traditional seder here at my house, the first annual of my generation in the family. Since I have been a kid, its always been my Dads generation, or even his parent's generation. But, now its time to pass the torch to my generation.
What are ya'll doin?
BMonee

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by E-Double on Feb 25^th, 2006, 3:16pm

Eating tons of Shmurah Matzo.
Having Seders at my father's house until maybe next year will I will finally attempt my own.
Becoming constipated from all of the Matzo [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by sandie99 on Feb 25^th, 2006, 4:52pm

I'll be in Prague on holiday... ;)

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by lionsound on Feb 25^th, 2006, 5:42pm

....and here I thought you were inviting us ;;D
No plan yet.....Purim first! :D

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Cathi04 on Feb 25^th, 2006, 8:05pm

.........Dye-ing colored eggs, finding great stuff for my 8 yr old grandson's bunny basket, preparing brunch for a group of friends and family, buying lillies and most important..........
I purchased the pink & yellow "chick and bunny peeps".. so they can go stale before the annual post-brunch peeps war..........

oh???? That's Easter???
;;D ;;D
matters not.... we all enjoy a great holiday!!!

Cathi

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by MJ on Feb 25^th, 2006, 9:03pm

Pleading ignorance.

Whats a Seder? What are Shmura Matzo? Whats a Purim?

I do however know what Prague and constipation is. :)

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by MJ on Feb 25^th, 2006, 9:32pm

I forgot I have the internet. So I looked it up.

taken from the internet;

"Taking place the first 2 nights of the 8 day holiday, the Seder is the most important event in the Passover celebration. Usually gathering the whole family and friends together, the Seder is steeped in long held traditions and customs
Leading up to the first night of Passover, the home is cleaned and cleared of all yeast foods, called hametz. All hametz is either eaten before Passover begins or "sold" to non-Jewish neighbors and friends"

Purim; (from judaism 101)

"Purim is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination."

Condensed versions, hope they are right.

Raised in a lutheran home I missed out.

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Mr. Happy on Feb 25^th, 2006, 11:29pm

on 02/25/06 at 21:32:09, MJ wrote:

Raised in a Lutheran home I missed out.

Same here. I grew up thinking a Seder was that evergreen tree growing out back. CHEESUS what a sheltered childhood.....back when a mixed marriage was a Lutheran marrying a Presbyterian. Now, we're non-denominational, but still celebrate ascent ion day with lots of fresh sushi and a new box of Lincoln Logs.

I'm all for ANY paid holiday.
RJ

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Dragnlance on Feb 26^th, 2006, 12:09am

Quote:

Pleading ignorance.

Whats a Seder? What are Shmura Matzo? Whats a Purim?

I do however know what Prague and constipation is.

............... Ummmmmmmmmm.........

Dragnlance

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by cootie on Feb 26^th, 2006, 3:19am

Did you say you eat hamsters for passover........sorry......I am SO religious illiterate Pam

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Jonny on Feb 26^th, 2006, 3:20am

on 02/26/06 at 03:19:31, cootie wrote:

Did you say you eat hamsters for passover........sorry......I am SO religious illiterate Pam

LMMFAO!!!! ;;D

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by sandie99 on Feb 26^th, 2006, 4:22am

I was raised Lutheran, too. :)

My family isn't that religious, though. I'm probably the most religious person in my family. And I have traumas from my childhood: my school used to show us terrible film about Jesus' last hours before Easter break. :o And that was years before Mel Gibson's flick...

Easter is interesting time for me this year. Me & Mum leave for Prague on April 13th, my birthday is April 14th and it's been 9 years since dad died on April 18th... That is always a sad time for me. I always miss him terribly on that day... Old memories from 1997 come back on that day. I connect dad's death and Easter, as back in 1997 me and mum attended some Easter concert day after dad passed away.

I have happy memories about Easter, too. I used to dye colored eggs as a kid. That was lots of fun. :) And when I was a kid I used to eat lots of chocolate eggs, Kinder was my fave. Mum used to hide chocolate eggs around the house and I and my pals went to find them... Naturally it wasn't about if we found them or not but more like would we found them before dad - he liked chocolate more than anyone else! ;;D

BTW, in America kids go trick'n'treating on Halloween. But kids in Finland dress up as witches and trolls on Easter, on Palm Sunday, to be exact. Then they decorate branches of birch tree with strings, feathers and all nice things and go to door to door say this poem:

"Virvon varvon
tuoreeks, terveeks
tulevaks vuodeks,
vitsa sulle, palkka mulle"

It's difficult to translate, but it basically is good-will wishes; kids wish good health to the people for the next year. The tradition is, that after the kids have said that poem, they will give that decorated branch to the people who have opened the door and they will get candy, cookies, cupcakes, donuts, fruit, money or etc. as a reward.

http://www.finlit.fi/tietopalvelu/juhlat/paasiainen/kuva/KRAK_2002_146_2.jpg

Sanna

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Jonny on Feb 26^th, 2006, 4:29am

Thank you for a look into your tradition, Sanna :-*

.................Half Finn Jonny

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by LeLimey on Feb 26^th, 2006, 6:32am

I think it's really important to teach my kids about other cultures and religions so I love hearing these stories and traditions. I always take my children to the Diwali festival in Leicester for instance, the hindu festival of light. We've had special meals for Eid and all sorts of other festivals too but as yet we haven't celebrated a Jewish one, sounds like a good idea for this year.
For Easter I always decorate the window with painted eggs and chicks etc, there are alot of kids living around me and they love to see it. I buy more easter eggs for everyone else's kids than enough too but its fun and kids were put on this earth to be spoilt once in a while weren't they?
Barney was born on Good Friday so I always joke that everyone else got a visit from the Easter Bunny and I got the Easter Barney.. he never tires of hearing that and I love seeing that big satisfied smile on his face when he hears it again. This year is the first time his birthday has fallen on Good Friday again so we have to do something very special to celebrate I think. Especially as he turns 11, double one and he is excited about it. I haven't put too much thought into it yet but we WILL have a family day out somewhere fun, might take them to France for the day or something.. I'll let you know!
First of all I have to get through a marathon pancake making session on tuesday night, it's usually about 3 pints of batter and I don't even eat that stuff! Kids!

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by sandie99 on Feb 26^th, 2006, 6:50am

on 02/26/06 at 04:29:58, Jonny wrote:

Thank you for a look into your tradition, Sanna :-*

.................Half Finn Jonny

You're welcome. ;)

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by cardogman on Feb 26^th, 2006, 7:19am

For anyone who is not that familiar with Passover I believe that it was actually the Last Supper.

Minus of course the Matzoh Brei which you have to try and the Philadelphia whipped cream cheese loaded up on a piece of matzoh.

I don't think they had any of that at the table.

burt

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by wildhaus on Feb 26^th, 2006, 8:06am

hey....... isn’t the "ceder" about food..........lots of food, just "kosher Le'Pesah" so we will EAT...... but Ill “pass over the wine” (isn’t it 4 wine glasses as a must, NO beer not kosher), and don’t like the "gefillte Fish", will try as main dish this time Lamb, will you forgive me if ill ignore the “Hagada”, and go straight to the food……or just let the little one sing “Ma Nishtana” and then hit the food. For the Matzo, well I get problems with my indegestion.....and all that "comes out" is "dust"

Michael

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by E-Double on Feb 26^th, 2006, 9:55am

Seder translates as meaning Order.
It is a meal that has a specific order of tradition.
Much like a Jewish prayer book is called a Siddur.
This has the same root.

The last supper was a Seder.

The traditions of Seder essentially tell the story of the Jewish peoples exodus from Egypt.

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by cardogman on Feb 26^th, 2006, 11:03am

Charlton Heston as Moses

LET MY PEOPLE GO The Ten Commandments

Starring Gina Lolabrigida
Edward G. Robinson
Yul Brenner as the Pharoah

and a host of others.

As moses came down from Mount Sinai with the Tablets he found his people fornicating and consumming large amounts of alchohol. Basically having orgies all over the place in the desert.

So Charlton Heston smashed the Ten Commandments and became the head of the National Rifle Association. Or was that after Ben Hur?

Dogburtcar

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by nani on Feb 26^th, 2006, 11:22am

on 02/26/06 at 11:03:52, cardogman wrote:

As moses came down from Mount Sinai with the Tablets he found his people fornicating and consumming large amounts of alchohol. Basically having orgies all over the place in the desert.

Was that the first CH meet and greet?

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by sandie99 on Feb 26^th, 2006, 12:31pm

on 02/26/06 at 11:22:34, nani wrote:

Was that the first CH meet and greet?

[smiley=laugh.gif] Oh, I needed to laugh. Thanks, nani. ;;D

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by LeLimey on Feb 26^th, 2006, 4:04pm

what's fornicating? ::)

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Melissa on Feb 26^th, 2006, 4:08pm

on 02/26/06 at 11:22:34, nani wrote:

Was that the first CH meet and greet?

[smiley=headbanger.gif] ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D

on 02/26/06 at 16:04:34, Lelimey wrote:

what's fornicating?

It's what people do when they write bad checks. ;;D

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by cardogman on Feb 26^th, 2006, 6:00pm

I believe that fornicating or fornnication is a biblical term meaning when a man or a woman oh you get it don't you?

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by mrs mac on Feb 26^th, 2006, 6:06pm

helen phone me if you want to know more about Passover!!!

i remember having great Seder nights at my Grandma's when i was younger, being the youngest i always had to ask the 4 questions!!! ;;D

haven't done Traditional Passover for a few years now though!!

mrs mac xxxx

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 26^th, 2006, 6:17pm

Burt----You are right Jesus' last meal ---" The Last Supper" was a passover meal. Good Friday---Ash Wednesday starts This Week---March 1 !!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Melissa on Feb 26^th, 2006, 6:24pm

ah yes, fish fish fish fish fish fish AND fish!!!

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Langa on Feb 26^th, 2006, 6:32pm

In my early 20's I worked for a small Jewish-owned company. I was one of 10 employees and the only non-Jew...and boy did I love their holidays...I remember they would bring in all kinds of treats for me to try...the brisket, the matzoh crackers (which I love till this day), the noodle pudding and the matzoh ball soup...

They tried to get me to eat the gafilter fish (I know I spelt that wrong :-/), but I just couldn't do it...lol...

I was also off on all Christian and Jewish holidays...it was a nice place to work... ;)

Langa

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Charlie on Feb 26^th, 2006, 8:35pm

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/last supper.jpg

Last Supper In Joisey

Charlie 8)

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by cardogman on Feb 26^th, 2006, 9:50pm

In the end as we all probably know the only real difference between Christianity and Judaism is the belief that the Messiah has come versus the messiah hasn't arrived yet.

Old Testament / New Testament

At each Passover seder there is an extra place setting and the front door is kept open for the messiah to come in and sit down and have a bite to eat.

In 55 years it hasn't happened yet. I have a feeling it aint gonna happen.

Dogburtcar

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by MJ on Feb 27^th, 2006, 1:06am

Judaism says no messiah yet.

Christians say hes been here and gone. Some say be back soon.

Muslims say last one wasnt him came later.

Mormons say been here a couple times.

The UFO cult says will be here any day.

Guy with the sighn says he saw him just yesterday.

I wonder if the group that jumped on the comet ever caught up with him.

As for me and my house we believe them all because its good to have something to believe in.

edit to add: this was just a passing thought not intended to upset or make light of any belief. hope for all faiths.

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by LeLimey on Feb 27^th, 2006, 2:58am

Mrs Mac - lil sis I'm taking you up on that offer! The more I read of this thread the more I want to make a special thing of it with my children, I think it would be lovely and you know what these kids are like.. do you think I'd get away with only 4 questions? ::)

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by wildhaus on Feb 27^th, 2006, 4:11am

Passover (in Hebrew: PESAH)
The week-long Jewish holiday, occuring during the Spring season, that recalls when the Israelites, the ancestors of the Jews, were miraculously freed from centuries of slavery in Egypt.
The name refers to the last of the ten plagues that God inflicted on the Egyptians. All their first-born children were put to death, but God "passed over" the houses of the Israelites. Immediately afterwards they were set free. It also refers to the lamb that was sacrificed and eaten in ancient times on the first night of the holiday.
(Exodus Cap. XI)

Seder:
The festive meal held on the first nights of Passover. The participants recite the Haggadah, as they symbolically relive the experiences of slavery and the joy of being free people. The traditional ceremony is very complicated, so it is done according to a detailed order. The Hebrew word "Seder" means "order."

Haggadah:
Jews in each generation are commanded to tell the wonderful story of their liberation from Egyptian slavery, especially at the "Seder." The traditional text that is used for this is called the "Haggadah" (telling)

Hametz:
When the Israelites left Egypt, it was so sudden that the dough that they took with them to make bread did not have time to rise (leaven) and become ordinary bread.
To remember this, everything that contain bread, yeast or any other leavened items must be carefully removed from Jewish homes before Passover, and cannot be eaten or used during the holiday. In Hebrew leaven is called "Hametz."
Instead of regular bread, Jews eat Matzah during Passover.
(Exodus Cap. XI)

Opening the Door:
At the end of the Seder meal it is customary to open the door and welcome in the Prophet Elijah:

Elijah the Prophet (in Hebrew: Eliyahu Ha-Navi):
Elijah was one of the most beloved prophets of the Bible. He delivered messages from God, and miraculously helped many people.
Elijah never actually died, but was taken up to Heaven in a flaming chariot. Therefore it is believed that he still travels around carrying messages between Heaven and Earth.
The Bible also says that Elijah will be sent to announce the coming of the final redemption, when we will all live in a perfect and peaceful world.
It is customary to leave a special cup of wine for Elijah on the Seder table, and it is believed that he takes a sip from it as he visits every house on Passover.

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Melissa on Feb 27^th, 2006, 9:26am

wildhaus, thank you! I love to learn of religious histories and found your post enlightening.

:)mel

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by rickyshot on Feb 27^th, 2006, 11:34am

I have some religious cousins who do the whole nine yards and I enjoy it. Thank you for above posters for posting the meaning of Passover and some traditions. Also I would like to add the a total cleaning (makes spring cleaning a joke) is done to the homes including the removal and burning of all products containing leaven. Special dinnerware is set out and the home is reskohsherized for those who observe. A big to do but it is a joyous holiday.

Also on Purim it is customary to get very drunk on this holiday. I kid you not. My cousing fell down the stairs one year. I almost died with laughter. OK I am warped.

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by mrs mac on Feb 27^th, 2006, 2:29pm

again being the youngest in the house, i always opened the door to let Elijah in, and never witnessed him taking a sip out the glass ;) :'(

big sis, no problem, and yeah, it's your turn to phone this week too ;) ;;D

lil sis xxxx

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by cardogman on Feb 27^th, 2006, 6:06pm

A few observations if I may.

1. There is a fair amount of Jews with CH

and

2. Whoever came up with all this stuff about the bible and all this God stuff may have been tripping on LSD.

Just my opinion.

I hope I didn't offend anybody.

Burt

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by thebbz on Feb 27^th, 2006, 8:24pm

:o You did Burt, many times over.
When it comes to my god you can keep your opinion to yourself...please.
We all know about opinions.
jb

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Feb 27^th, 2006, 8:49pm

on 02/27/06 at 11:34:04, rickyshot wrote:

Actually, you only have to burn it if it is too late to get rid of it the normal way. Typically, a week or 2 before the first night, people take these food products to a store or co-op and sell them. If you forgot about an item and you see it the day before passover begins, you must burn it and then reclean the whole house.

Also, the procedure of keeping water or anything moist away from the matzoh is really interesting. It is believed that when moisture touches flour is when 'chemetz' is created.
In 1 part of the seder, you must make a little 'maror' sandwich. Maror is lettuce and horseradish, and there can be droplets of moisture on them, so you must take great care to insure there is NO moisture AT ALL on the lettuce.

For passover at my house, i am going to clean my kitchen of anything considered levenous.....and just put it in another room.
Also gonna have hand made matzoh from Israel shipped over.......and you can bet there wont even be the possibility of moisture getting near it!!
Its gonna be fun, I cant wait.

And just wait til the end when we are all held 'ransom' and my daughter has to find the hidden matzoh before we can be finished with the passover seder!
YAY!
BMonee

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by Jonny on Feb 27^th, 2006, 9:04pm

on 02/27/06 at 20:24:55, thebbz wrote:

:o You did Burt, many times over.
When it comes to my god you can keep your opinion to yourself...please.
We all know about opinions.
jb

Chill, bro......hes just looking to start shit....Again!

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by mrs mac on Feb 27^th, 2006, 9:12pm

Quote:

Also gonna have hand made matzoh from Israel shipped over.......and you can bet there wont even be the possibility of moisture getting near it!!
Its gonna be fun, I cant wait.

hey bmonee, how cool!!!!, would love to try that stuff!!!!

will be thinking about all you guys at Passover, being in a mixed marraige, have kinda fallen by the wayside with the holidays and stuff!!!

mrs mac ( who was actually quite ashamed to admit that :'()
xxxx

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by CHTom on Feb 27^th, 2006, 9:21pm

on 02/27/06 at 18:06:56, cardogman wrote:

A few observations if I may.

1. There is a fair amount of Jews with CH

Just my opinion.

I hope I didn't offend anybody.

Burt

We are an understanding group of people, Burt and are not offended by statements made by mentally ill people. I'll bet that you use toilet paper to clean your mouth instead of toothpaste.

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by E-Double on Feb 27^th, 2006, 9:32pm

Did you know that some believe that if a woman in labor holds the afikomen it will make for an easier birth?

Gonna have to save the one I hide when it I negotiate it back.

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by wildhaus on Feb 28^th, 2006, 2:46am

on 02/27/06 at 18:06:56, cardogman wrote:

Hi Burt…..
Yes it’s your observation, and your opinion… and you have the right to make an observation and have a right to an opinion…
Yes you did offend!!! (And I only speak for my self) and no there is no excuse for offending a group of people just for what they believe in……. and in such a bold way…….
I hop you did not have me, or my post in mind…… suggesting I am tripping on LSD……

SILENCE IS A SIGHEN OF WISDOM……… or if you have to voice your opinion…

Use first the preview button,
Or
“The only advice I can give is to think before you click "post"” (Melissa 18.02.2006)

“A mans character is his fate” (heraclitus)

Just an observation…….is this what you all call a troll?

Michael

P.S

The wise man’s eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness (Accl 2,14)

Better is the sight of the eyes than the wandering of the desire: this is also vanity and vexation of spirit.
Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?(PS 94,8 )

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by LeLimey on Feb 28^th, 2006, 3:11am

on 02/27/06 at 18:06:56, cardogman wrote:

on 02/27/06 at 21:21:39, CHTom wrote:

We are an understanding group of people, Burt and are not offended by statements made by mentally ill people. I'll bet that you use toilet paper to clean your mouth instead of toothpaste.

Well fork and knife......Now I truly have seen EVERYTHING!!! ::)

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by E-Double on Feb 28^th, 2006, 6:48am

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by E-Double on Feb 28^th, 2006, 8:14am

Way to take a nice thread and turn it against someone.

Back to preaching knowledge.

Ciao

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by MJ on Feb 28^th, 2006, 11:12am

What is the proper way to say it.

HAPPY PASSOVER or .....

For those that enjoy a wide range of religous study and thought.
Though I am not a catholic.
I have allways found the "catholic encyclopedia online" to be a treasure house of basic information from witchcraft to atheism, Aztec to Zapoteca. Largely just the facts with an unbiased approach to answers.

I keep this in my favorites.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11512b.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by E-Double on Feb 28^th, 2006, 2:00pm

You can say Happy Passover or Pesach (pay sach**clear your throat sound** not ch as in chip [smiley=laugh.gif])

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by MJ on Feb 28^th, 2006, 3:19pm

Well then let me be the first to say well in advance of the passover celebration -

Happy Pesach! (pay sach with a **clear your throat sound** ;;D

Enjoy.

MJ

Title: Re: Any plans for Passover in April?
Post by cardogman on Feb 28^th, 2006, 6:28pm

Ok let's try this again.

First of all I am Jewish so the common way to say Happy Passover is

A zizen Pesach

Secondly I said in my post JUST MY OPINION and then I said I HOPE I DIDN'T OFFEND ANYONE

Ever since 911 and maybe before that I have had a hard time with the God Concept and the Bible and Moses taliking to a burning bush and Moses splitting the Red Sea and all that other stuff.

So how bout giving me a break guys and stop reading in to the things I post and dissecting them. Is that fair.

My intention was not to bash your God. I didn't even mention a specific God. There seems to be more then one if you believe in it.

Burt