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(Message started by: pattik on Feb 20th, 2006, 10:00am)

Title: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by pattik on Feb 20th, 2006, 10:00am
I think this story needs to be paid attention to...what do you think?  Two of the 911 terrorists were from the United Arab Emirates.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=1640128

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Jasmyn on Feb 20th, 2006, 10:13am
There goes the neighbourhood!  

Now you are more open and vulnerable to invasion, illegal aliens, smuggling and drug trafficking.

Who the hell came up with the idea to sell ports to a potential enemy?  Do the US need the money is that why you are selling off your Ports?

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by pattik on Feb 20th, 2006, 10:15am
LOL, I think the ports were owned/controlled by a British company which was recently bought by the Arab company.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by burnt-toast on Feb 20th, 2006, 11:30am
Since we've been bombarded with news/government reports highlighting the vulnerability of our ports and a short port workers strike nearly shut down the entire country because we are ridiculously overly dependent on imports, what the heck, why not.

Since we've been bombarded with news/govenrment reports highlighting the fact that we inspect less than 10% of the cargo arriving at our ports, what the heck, why not.

Since we've been bombarded with news/government reports highlighting the fact that we have no real allies in the Arab world run/inhabited by religious fanatics who consider us infidels that must be destroyed, what the heck, why not.


I believe I know the strategy.  

Establish a policy of "free trade" regarding imports while ignoring restrictive trade on our exports, illegal dumping on our markets, currency manipulation, patent infringements and constant breaking of virtually every provision of our "free trade" agreements by (ahem) trading partners around the world.  

Sell and outsource key economic and strategic assets of your country to wealthy enemies and potential enemies and let them control them.  That way the'll have a stake and will be less likely to cause trouble.  

Drive the U.S. economy down toward those of current third world countries.  Depress the U.S. standard of living so that other nations are no longer envious and therefore less likely to cause trouble.  

Concentrate the control/wealth of the world in the hands of privledged individuals fortunate enough to be the ruling class who will then be less likely to cause trouble.  

Why focus and waste resources on National Security?   Once we have "World Peace" engineereed by the "New World Order" no one will have anything to worry about ever again.

Truely brilliant.

Tom  



 

 

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Karla on Feb 20th, 2006, 12:59pm
NO!

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by maffumatt on Feb 20th, 2006, 2:55pm
no and bush needs his ass spanked for allowing it, I am getting a little disapointed in the guy...............

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Charlie on Feb 20th, 2006, 3:29pm
Ya know, when I seek advice on our country's security and well-being, I always feel better when Michael Chertoff says everything is hunky dory on Meet the Press. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/tv_horror.gif

Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/nailbiting.gif

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by medic1852 on Feb 20th, 2006, 3:39pm
Maybe we should go ahead and give the country away...Instead of doing it piece by piece...

http://www.gototem.com/indian.gif

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Lizzie2 on Feb 20th, 2006, 6:17pm
6 ports on the East coast to be affected....including Philadelphia....   >:(

NOT good....  I'm watching the stories on the Philadelphia local news right now - people are really quite incensed about this.

WHY would Bush do this?  Is there a single person outside of the Bush administration who thinks this is a good idea?

:-/

*Edited to add:  It is simply mind-boggling to me how Bush can justify the domestic spying on Americans as something in the interest of National Security and then allow this kind of transaction to take place.  Chertoff is so certain there is no risk to national security.  We couldn't even handle Katrina.  I don't trust our government one bit to have things so in line that terrorism couldn't cut through ports owned by an Arab trading company.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by stevegeebe on Feb 20th, 2006, 7:22pm
Tom, Tom...Tom.

A brilliant piece of work....yes.

Steve G

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by nani on Feb 20th, 2006, 7:55pm
Should our ports be Arab-owned?


um,          No!!!!!

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by DonnaHar on Feb 21st, 2006, 7:09am
Know what?  I'm scared....

When we think something just can't happen, it does.


Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Sandy_C on Feb 21st, 2006, 8:35am
ARE THEY NUTS?

This is absurd

Excerpt from article:

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told Arab journalists Friday at the State Department, that it was "the considered opinion of the U.S. government that this can go forward." She pledged to work with Congress because "perhaps people will need better explanation and will need to understand some of the process that we have gone through."

DAMN RIGHT WE NEED A BETTER EXPLANATION.  Like,  just whose side are you on, anyway?

>:(

Sandy

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by MJ on Feb 21st, 2006, 9:05am
Most ports in USA are allready foreign owned and it will be difficult if not impossible to stop the saudis from purchasing the british company that allready owns the 8 ports in question.

Thank god for the mafia, organized crime and the unions for trying to keep them on the staight and narrow.

I would put more trust in them than our current government.

Further info to appear here soon. Of course that may be after the sale.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/default.aspx


Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Charlie on Feb 21st, 2006, 9:47am

Quote:
WHY would Bush do this?


It usually comes down to some sleazeballs getting very rich with this bunch.

No matter, it just looks so effen bad and pisses everybody off. Sending all our jobs to India is bad enough but this...... Duh.  http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/nea.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

I vote for guys wearing sharkskin suits to guard my ports. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/personal/vinsent.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Charlie

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Bob P on Feb 21st, 2006, 10:13am
No!  I'm much happier having the neo-lib corrupt labor unions running them!

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by chewy on Feb 21st, 2006, 10:16am

Quote:
I'm much happier having the neo-lib corrupt labor unions running them!


LMMFAO! On the money!

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Jasmyn on Feb 21st, 2006, 10:19am
Insert from:

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/British_Empire



Quote:
The overseas British Empire — in the sense of British oceanic exploration and settlement outside of Europe and the British Isles — was rooted in the pioneering maritime policies of King Henry VII, who reigned 1485–1509. Building on commercial links in the wool trade promoted during the reign of his predecessor King Richard III, Henry established the modern English merchant marine system, which greatly expanded English shipbuilding and seafaring. The merchant marine also supplied the basis for the mercantile institutions that would play such a crucial role in later British imperial ventures, such as the Massachusetts Bay Company and the British East India Company. Henry also ordered construction of the first dry dock, at Portsmouth, and made improvements to England's small navy.





I can still understand how your ports became and still are owned by the British.  After all, they colonized nearly all the countries at one stage in history.
 

Quote:
Its territories were scattered across every continent and ocean, and it was often accurately described as "the empire on which the sun never sets".


What I can't understand, is that You America, is the super power of the day, why don't your goverment, when the opportunity arise take back your own?


Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by burnt-toast on Feb 21st, 2006, 10:33am
Osama and his family's ties within the Arab Emirates are extensive and well documented.

The fact that the U.S. inspects only 5% to 6% of the cargo arriving through it's ports is well documented and clearly a major flaw in current "Homeland Security" measures.  

What backroom deals has this administration cooked  with the Arab Emirates behind the scenes?  I'm certain that the economic policies of the last several administrations are the root of the problem.  Whatever they are it appears that the entire administration has come out in pre-coordinated total/united support.  Only an idiot or someone with something else to gain puts the fox in charge of the hen house.

Osama will soon change his name to BenLaffin.

This is totally insane.  The sell out of America by it's so-called leaders has gone too far.  

But its nothing new - Our trade deficit is projected at $900 billion in 2006.  This will result in the loss of additional U.S. jobs, higher National Debt, higher interest rates and nearly total U.S. dependence on foreign investment to subsidize our current $8,250,980,176,340 National debt (that currently grows by $2.21 billion per day).  

Throughout the last few administrations, the policies of our so-called leaders and their corporate cronies rack up massive debt for average Americans to pay while stuffing their own pockets with cash.                    

Regardless of what some renowned economists insist - No modern Nation can sustain a viable economy when its "free trade" policies do nothing more than subsidize Corporate and Personal wealth with public debt.  This country is headed for an economic disaster if the American people don't start fightning back.

Tom  


     

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by imnotbub on Feb 21st, 2006, 10:33am
I can't even believe that it is possible, never mind happening. It boggles the mind.  [smiley=confused.gif] What next? Outsourcing the Army? [smiley=deal2.gif]

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by karma on Feb 21st, 2006, 12:17pm
This whole scenario is being misunderstood.
The ports belong to the local government, if I'm not mistaken.
The port managment is contracted out to a management company, in this case a British company that is being bought out by a UAE company.The U.S. govt. must approve the sale or not. This decison will validate or invalidate the current contracts dpending on the decision.  
The ports owners can eventually decide if they will honor the contracts or not.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by CHTom on Feb 21st, 2006, 12:37pm
Bill Clinton got us out of debt and gave Bush a cash surplus of several hundred billion dollars, which Georgie and friends quickly spent and got us into debt again.  Now this business of letting an Arab country with a dubious record vis a vis terrorism run our greatest ports is either a continuation of the policies of Bush doing things to help his rich friends get richer or the act of a mentally ill man. Anyone remember the scene in "Catch 22" when Milo Minderbinder made a contract with the Nazis for us to bomb our own airfield?  Truth is truely stranger than fiction (and I really am beginning to think that Bush is really a robot, or blow up rubber doll,  controlled by "Shotgun" Cheney and friends). [smiley=huh.gif] :-/

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by MJ on Feb 21st, 2006, 1:09pm

on 02/21/06 at 10:33:42, imnotbub wrote:
I can't even believe that it is possible, never mind happening. It boggles the mind.  [smiley=confused.gif] What next? Outsourcing the Army? [smiley=deal2.gif]


Allready done.

Iraq is being fought and managed allmost totally by private military contractors. Bush Sr. sits on the board of carlysle companies wich runs one of the larger private armies / military contractors. Old soldiers dont die they make money.
Our troops are just there to be expendable.

CH Tom I'm with you, Clinton had the best run government in many years. So he had a thing for the ladies, me too.

Jasmyn- We cant take it back cause all our money is borrowed and our country is mortgaged to the hilt by other countries.
Like Tom says with $8 trillion plus owed to other corps and countries all they have to do is call in the debt and we are bankrupt as well as the entire world turns upside down cause we bankroll many others with borrowed money.. Its easier for our government to give them whatever they want. Since very little backbone seems to exist in the open here.
Now I am worried that I will be spied on because I said that.  ;)

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by imnotbub on Feb 21st, 2006, 3:35pm

on 02/21/06 at 13:09:01, MJ wrote:
Like Tom says with $8 trillion plus owed to other corps and countries all they have to do is call in the debt and we are bankrupt as well as the entire world turns upside down cause we bankroll many others with borrowed money..


I don't know, what if when they call in there debt, we just say "Hey hey, fuckenay, you're not getting it anyway!"
What are they going to do, give a bad credit revue? (so what) Blow up a building? (been there, done that) Not sell us stuff? (oh my, we would have to make our own)

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by chewy on Feb 21st, 2006, 5:50pm
Heard they outbid El Quiada by just a few thousand.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Charlie on Feb 21st, 2006, 6:09pm
No matter the details, people just plain don't like contracting out this stuff to Arab-run companies. The perception by a lot of people is that Arabs will be running around New York docks in sight of ground zero. Not true but it is what some people think. Reassurances by the weasels at Homeland Security ain't gonna do it either.  http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/read.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

The little twerp just made it worse this afternoon by saying he will veto any measure passed by Congress to block or sideline the proposal. http://www.schildersmilies.de/schilder/badidea.gif

Charlie

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by mynm156 on Feb 21st, 2006, 6:19pm
NO!!  I think that we need to take care of our own  airports ,lands and ports. I have some experence in fact I worked with for a "gentleman" who did business with high ranking officials of the UAE and they were VERY SHADY individuals!  These were the kind of people who if crossed would erase your whole family!!! No Joke.  Its all about money to them and dont mess with thier money.  Bush must be having a DRUG flash back!!!

So Cluster Heads get on your congressman about it!!!

MYNM156

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by _Lee_ on Feb 21st, 2006, 6:39pm
Guess what, UAE / Dubai is setting on the largest known natural gas reserve in the world. Oil and gas companie's from the USA have spent billions to produce this gas and they haven't even scratched the surface. Piss these guys off and we will get shoved out of the way. There are several countrie's capable of doing the job. You scratch my back?

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by floridian on Feb 21st, 2006, 6:52pm
#  The UAE was one of three countries in the world to recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.  

# The UAE has been a key transfer point for illegal shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Lybia.  

# After 9/11, the Treasury Department reported that the UAE was not cooperating in efforts to track down Osama Bin Laden's bank accounts.

Other than that, I have no problem letting a foreign corporation that is owned by a foreign government run operations at a US port.  To paraphrase Bob, I have watched HBO's The Wire.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by _Lee_ on Feb 21st, 2006, 7:58pm

on 02/21/06 at 18:52:29, floridian wrote:
#  The UAE was one of three countries in the world to recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.  

# The UAE has been a key transfer point for illegal shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Lybia.  

# After 9/11, the Treasury Department reported that the UAE was not cooperating in efforts to track down Osama Bin Laden's bank accounts.

Other than that, I have no problem letting a foreign corporation that is owned by a foreign government run operations at a US port.  To paraphrase Bob, I have watched HBO's The Wire.


These guys have a knack for making money, until they found this gas they didn't have shit.  I don't recall them signing any treaties preventing the above, I doubt they are the only one in the region that hasn't done the same. You have to remember that is GW Jr's Buddy's over there with mucho bucks invested that could dry up in a heartbeat, he can't let them down. Where would he go to work after we finally get rid of him? Revised, we really need that fucking gas, our domestic production can't keep up with demand, most new power plants run on natural gas, which I produce a lot but can't find a market for it ;;D.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by stevegeebe on Feb 21st, 2006, 8:37pm
Is the Port of Houston included in this?

This administration is sucking the oxygen out of this country.

First veto.  What do you know.

Steve G

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by burnt-toast on Feb 21st, 2006, 9:30pm
floridian, Lee - your information on the UAE is dead on - this is not a private enterprise we're turning operation of our ports over to - It is a religiously fanatic foreign nation that has given the American people absolutly no reason to trust their intentions.  

CHTom, MJ - before giving the Clinton administration too much credit - it gave us GATT, NAFTA and current "permanent free trade" agreements with China.  The massive trade deficit generated from these corrupt agreements has cost tens of thousands of meaningful U.S. jobs, has virtually eliminated large scale manufacturing in the U.S. (which is a severe National Security issue) and allowed China to finance  one of the largest/most sophisticated armies in the world.  

These agreements increase our National Debt through the loss of previously collected tariffs, taxes and duties on imports and significant losses in tax revenue from American based companies and meaningfully employed U.S. workers.  To refresh your memories Ross Perot stearnly warned America that we were being sold out with treaties that would ultimately destroy the American economy.  Obviously no one was listening.

This administration continues the "grab all that you can" policies started before the Clinton administration.  In fact it may be perfecting them.

The question is - What are the American People going to do about it?  How long can we sit idle and hope these serious leadership problems go away.  There is simply too much greed driving decisons made in Washington that are slowly drowning Americans in public debt.  

What we do after we vote is far more important than who wins an election.  When was the last time you wrote or called your representatives to tell them that you expect from them?  My guess is that for most the answer would be never.  It really isn't much of a surprise that we're getting walked on when we've shown our elected representatives over and over again that we will permit them to get away with anything.  


Tom                

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by BlueMeanie on Feb 21st, 2006, 9:55pm
I normally steer away from political threads including the bashing of the president, but I truly believe this to be an outrage.  >:(

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by CHTom on Feb 22nd, 2006, 12:40am
Even most Republican congressmen and senators are against this proposal!  Now you know that it must really be a bad deal as they have supported every piece of legislation that George has  proposed.  "Something is rotten in the Kingdom of Denmark (with apologies to our Danish members and Will Shakespere)!" [smiley=hurl.gif]

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by _Lee_ on Feb 22nd, 2006, 1:06am

on 02/21/06 at 21:30:01, burnt-toast wrote:
Lee - your information on the UAE is dead on - this is not a private enterprise we're turning operation of our ports over to - It is a religiously fanatic foreign nation that has given the American people absolutly no reason to trust their intentions.  

CHTom, MJ - before giving the Clinton administration too much credit - it gave us GATT, NAFTA and current "permanent free trade" agreements with China.  The massive trade deficit generated from these corrupt agreements has cost tens of thousands of meaningful U.S. jobs, has virtually eliminated large scale manufacturing in the U.S. (which is a severe National Security issue) and allowed China to finance  one of the largest/most sophisticated armies in the world.  

These agreements increase our National Debt through the loss of previously collected tariffs, taxes and duties on imports and significant losses in tax revenue from American based companies and meaningfully employed U.S. workers.  To refresh your memories Ross Perot stearnly warned America that we were being sold out with treaties that would ultimately destroy the American economy.  Obviously no one was listening.

This administration continues the "grab all that you can" policies started before the Clinton administration.  In fact it may be perfecting them.

The question is - What are the American People going to do about it?  How long can we sit idle and hope these serious leadership problems go away.  There is simply too much greed driving decisons made in Washington that are slowly drowning Americans in public debt.  

What we do after we vote is far more important than who wins an election.  When was the last time you wrote or called your representatives to tell them that you expect from them?  My guess is that for most the answer would be never.  It really isn't much of a surprise that we're getting walked on when we've shown our elected representatives over and over again that we will permit them to get away with anything.  


Tom                



 



Last couple of months, sorry but it seems like a waste of time, I always get a response though, from his secretary ::)

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by _Lee_ on Feb 22nd, 2006, 1:42am

on 02/21/06 at 20:37:47, stevegeebe wrote:
Is the Port of Houston included in this?

This administration is sucking the oxygen out of this country.

First veto.  What do you know.

Steve G


Every coastal city with a LNG storage facility will be effected.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by getty6438 on Feb 22nd, 2006, 2:06am
OOHHHHHHHHH   HELL NO! Just about the time you think you've heard it all they come up with another brain storm. They have this country down on it's knee's and it aint over yet. Scary part is watch for oh jeb to run next......... I have total respect and support of our troop's so let's pull out and let the bunch of em figure it out! We can't bomb em back to the stone age ther still there! Wonder what this will do to the men and women fighting for us? UG!

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by getty6438 on Feb 22nd, 2006, 2:20am
Hey Tom you ever decide to run for office ya got my vote!




Title: Deal Breaks the Law
Post by floridian on Feb 22nd, 2006, 1:00pm
Administration Failed To Conduct Legally Required Investigation Before Approving UAE Port Deal

In ordinary cases of foreign direct investment the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) first conducts a 30-day “review” of the transaction. After the review, the committee makes a judgment as to whether a 45-day “investigation” is necessary to address national security concerns.

The law, however, was amended in 1993. That amendment makes the 45-day investigation mandatory in cases like the Dubai World Ports transfer. From the CFIUS website:

The Dubai World Ports purchase triggers the automatic investigation. First, the company is “controlled” by a foreign government. Second, it’s undeniable that port operations “could affect the national security of the United States.”

Yet, the investigation never happened. Bush administration officials “could not say why a 45-day investigation did not occur.”

source: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/22/legally-required-investigation/

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President Bush was unaware of the pending sale of shipping operations at six major U.S. seaports to a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates until the deal already had been approved by his administration, the White House said Wednesday.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/

----------------------------

Is it time to impeach President Cheney?  

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by medic1852 on Feb 22nd, 2006, 2:06pm
People you need to wake up and look at what our ELECTED LEADERS are doing to us. They are selling us out and taking away our jobs and you if you vote, you. are letting them do it to you. Wake up before it is to late.
Take a look at Jonny's thread it pissed most of you off, the fact that a LOCAL government was trying to take something away from a TAX payer.
Yet WE all allow them to raise our taxes out source jobs and sell off industry and property to the highest bidding country.
So in my most humble opinion. Shut the F@*%$ up or elect someone who will do something for you and get the fat cats out of office. Quit RE-ELCTING the same DO-NOTHING congress and senators.
It is NOT just our GOVERMENT doing it. It is YOU who reelect them.



Now I will put on my flame retardant suit and wait....
Rodger

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by chewy on Feb 22nd, 2006, 4:05pm

Quote:
elect someone who will do something for you


Like who?

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by JDH on Feb 22nd, 2006, 4:15pm

on 02/22/06 at 16:05:24, chewy wrote:
Like who?


That's easy, Al Sharpton!

Jim

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by nani on Feb 22nd, 2006, 4:16pm

on 02/22/06 at 16:05:24, chewy wrote:
Like who?


I think the first choice is:
Not a politician.  :-/

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by karma on Feb 22nd, 2006, 4:19pm

Quote:
Like who?


Collin Powell.
Its gonna take a Caribbean man to clean up that mess.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Jonny on Feb 22nd, 2006, 4:19pm

on 02/22/06 at 16:05:24, chewy wrote:
Like who?


G. Gordon Liddy ;;D

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by medic1852 on Feb 22nd, 2006, 4:27pm

on 02/22/06 at 16:05:24, chewy wrote:
Like who?



Well I am sick and tired of hearing folks bitch and complain about the shape of the nation. The economy and taxes and the politicians. Yet every time there is an election they re-elect the same people they complain about. So in a sense we are the cause of our own problems. Since we control who runs this country. I personally think now would be a good time for either a revolution or just get the do nothing politicians out of office. Oh why I am thinking about it. Reality TV. I hate it, I am sick to death of it. It is not real they edit it to show us what they think we should see, that's not reality. The next reality show I want to see is a government official mainly a congress man or senator who thinks we should not raise the minimum wage live on a minimum wage job and support himself and family on it.

I have lots of radical thoughts that would just upset the upper class and company owners. A lot of my ideas would help the economy and definitely send the nation debt through the roof but in the long run would be the shot in the arm that this country needs.

For instance all these companies that have moved out of the US to hire cheaper labor and unemployed Americans. They would loose their patents and copyrights. Then I would place such a high tax on it that the public could not afford it. You ask what would we do for these products once we needed them. Well I would give the patents and copyrights and seed money to someone who agreed to keep the company in the US. That would create jobs and in turn boost the economy. It would also upset large industry, but would give incentive to keep industry in the US, to keep the American public employed. I am just fed up with the working class taking the shaft while the "FAT CATS"  get the gravy!



Well I am going to go wait by the door for the FBI and the NSA since my thoughts are not mainline and kind of radical.

As for "who" Chewy. I don't have the slightest..There are allot of smarter folks than me and some of the politicians out there that are better qualified than me for a decision like that. Hell I have heard some folks here that I would vote for.

Rodger

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by medic1852 on Feb 22nd, 2006, 4:28pm

on 02/22/06 at 16:19:16, Jonny wrote:
G. Gordon Liddy ;;D

Kinda like him too!

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by medic1852 on Feb 22nd, 2006, 5:25pm
Here is another candidate for elected official....

http://www.dickmarcinko.com/aboutdm.asp

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Jonny on Feb 22nd, 2006, 6:25pm

on 02/22/06 at 17:25:15, medic1852 wrote:
Here is another candidate for elected official....

http://www.dickmarcinko.com/aboutdm.asp


I would vote for that guy any damn day!!!....beats the hell out of what we have.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by TheMasterBaker on Feb 22nd, 2006, 7:19pm
Oh Sh_it.....and I voted for this guy...in an effort to make myself feel better I have tried to be 'devil's advocate" and try to find the logic (or lack of) in allowing the managament of most of our ports to.....uhhhh.....undesirables.
In that I have found......well.....not much....how about Intelligence agencies scrutinized ports deal: (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-02-22T154553Z_01_WAT004914_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-PORTS-INTELLIGENCE.xml&rpc=22) which contains a couple of diddies like..
Quote:
"The counterterrorism experts looked at it. The intelligence community did assessments to make sure that there was no national security threat."
...Scott McCllean, White House spokesman..

[thought bubble/] Hmmmm...aint this the same folks who said were safe before 911? [/end bubble]

......and another classic.....
Quote:
Bush said on Tuesday the Dubai company would not be in charge of security, that the deal had been thoroughly reviewed and the country would be no less safe as a result of the transaction
.....our President.

I am afraid I must apologize for voting for this man.....twice....geezz....all you good liberials dont think all us Conservatives think this is good, we dont. One of the stupidist things I have ever seen anyone even think about in my life.

Did you see where even Carter liked this?  
Now I know it's a bad idea.... ::)

Hey.....smell like somethings is burning...I gotta get back to the Kitchen!

Bye

TMB

Title: I guess this says it...please note the *emphasis*
Post by Not4Hire on Feb 22nd, 2006, 8:26pm
We Can't Make It Here Any More

By JAMES McMURTRY

There's a Vietnam Vet with a cardboard sign
Sitting there by the left turn line
One leg missing and both hands free
No one's paying much mind to him
The VA budget's just stretched too thin
And now there's more coming back from the mideast war
We can't make it here any more

The big ol' building was the textile mill
It fed our kids and it paid our bills
But they turned us out and then closed the doors
We can't make it here any more

See those pallets piled up on the loading dock
they're just gonna set there til they rot
cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to pack
just busted concrete and rusted tracks
empty storefronts around the square
there's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhere
you don't come down here unless you're looking to score
we can't make it here anymore

The bar's still open but man it's slow
the tip jar's light and the register's low
the bartender don't have much to say
the regular crowd gets thinner each day
some have maxed out all their credit cards
some are working two jobs and livin' in cars
minimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for drink
if you gotta have proof just try it yourself mr CEO
see how far $5.15 an hour will go
take a part time job at one of your stores
bet you can't make it here anymore

There's a high school girl with bourgeois dream
just like the pictuers in the magazine
she found on the floor of the laundromat
a woman with kids can forget all that
if she comes up pregnant what'll she do?
forget the career, forget about school
can she live on faith? live on hope?
high on jesus or hooked on dope
when its way too late to just say no
you can't make it here anymore

Now I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart stores
just like the ones we made before
'cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can't make it here anymore

Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
or the shape of their eyes or the shape i'm in
should i hate em for having our jobs today
No I hate the men sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
all lily white and squeaky clean
they've never known want, they'll never know need
Their shit don't stink and their kids don't bleed
their kids don't bleed in their damn little war
and we can't make it here anymore

will work for food and die for oil
will kill for power and to us the spoils
the billionaires get to pay less tax
the working poor get to fall through the cracks
so let 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cake
let em eat shit, whatever it takes
they can join the Air Force or join the Corps
if they can't make here anymore

So that's how it is, that's what we got
if the president wants to admit it or not
you can read it in the papers, read it on the wall
hear it on the wind if you're listening at all
get out of that limo, look us in the eye
call us on the cell phone tell us all why

In Dayton Ohio or Portland Maine
or on a cotton gin out on the great high plains
that's done closed down along with the school
and the hospital and the swimming pool
dust devils dance in the noonday heat
there's rats in the alley and trash in the street
gang graffiti on a boxcar door
we can't make it here anymore

From James McMurtry's  CD Childish Things.

Title: Re: Should our ports be Arab-owned?
Post by Charlie on Feb 23rd, 2006, 12:05am
U. S. , Britain, Australia, and Canada have warnings of many kinds to tourists to either stay away from this lovely place, keep a low profile, or vary intineraires to make things harder for the locals to pick us off while seeing the sites of this staunch ally.   http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/madhouse/on_the_quiet2.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/light_skin/english_en.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Charlie



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