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Title: I can't believe this Post by BobG on Feb 15th, 2006, 7:25am Nobody has started a thread about VP Dick C. shooting his lawyer. He's getting bashed pretty good on the evening news and in the papers, but none here has even mentioned it. :-/ |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Melissa on Feb 15th, 2006, 7:35am How's it feel to be the 1st one Bob?? [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by BobG on Feb 15th, 2006, 7:36am Good! Damn good. ;;D |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by BarbaraD on Feb 15th, 2006, 7:43am I was waiting for you to do it. Now the guy has had a heart attack and he's sorry about it. Heck, and I didn't even know it was "lawyer" season.... :) Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Jasmyn on Feb 15th, 2006, 7:48am Sorry Bob, I'm from SA where it is hunting season every day. http://news.google.co.za/nwshp?tab=wn&topic=n |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by maffumatt on Feb 15th, 2006, 8:09am So they opened a season on layers in Texas? Where can I buy my tags? |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by vig on Feb 15th, 2006, 8:33am A Texas Parks and Wildlife Department report found the accident was caused by what it called the "hunter's judgment factor." no apology necessary? what a guy!!! |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by E-Double on Feb 15th, 2006, 8:39am What happens if the dude passes away? What if it wasn't the VP? Was this really an accident or was he trying to shut him up? J/k!! Accidents happen huh! |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by pattik on Feb 15th, 2006, 8:43am Plus, when told to go away and come back the next day to do the questioning, the cops said 'sure Mr. VP, anything you say'. [smiley=huh.gif] |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by burnt-toast on Feb 15th, 2006, 9:00am on 02/15/06 at 07:25:54, BobG wrote:
I was just waiting to see if there are any investigative reporters left that actualy do some homework. You know, get past the superficial crap (hunting accident & jokes) to report on some potentially jucy stuff. This may just be another careless and stupid hunting accident. But with all the Abramoff generated fears flying around Washington, think about the potential... The V.P. of the U.S. goes on a hunting trip, on a private ranch, with a wealthy campaign contributor. Turns out this is no ordinary campaign contributor. He is also a well known Lawyer/Lobbyist. The V.P. of the U.S., reportedly an experienced hunter, breaks the cardianl rule of upland gamebird hunting. He shoots into the clearly defined shooting lane of a fellow hunter. Not just into - but nearly across a shooting lane that turns out to belong to our wealthy campaign contributor/lawyer/lobbyest who is subsequently shot at just 30 yards in an open field. If there are any real investigative reporters left out there... wouldn't this make for the start of story line too good to pass up? ;;D Tom |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Carl_D on Feb 15th, 2006, 9:19am I love this story the best! http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060213/cm_huffpost/015538;_ylt=A86.I126_u9DYWMBehP9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA-- ;;D |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Lizzie2 on Feb 15th, 2006, 9:22am Last night, I was talking to my boyfriend Joe on the way to work. I know I've mentioned he's a med student, and we were talking about how the bullet fragment had embolized to the guy's heart to cause the heart attack. Joe said that in an article he'd read about the incident, the hospital said there were anywhere from 6 to 200 fragments that remain inside this guy, but they aren't concerned about it. Is that strange to anyone else? First off, I'll admit I know nothing at all about hunting nor the type of ammo used or the type of gun that was used. Does it shoot one bullet that breaks into pieces or does it spray bullets out in an attempt to hit what you aimed for? If the bullet breaks apart, does it break apart after leaving the gun or after getting inside the target? I know those questions sound REALLY dumb, but I was trying to understand how there could be anywhere from 6 to 200 fragments inside the guy. One already embolized and caused the heart attack...why are they not worried about the possible 200 other ones?? Only takes one... This is very odd to me... Any hunters or gun owners able to explain this to me so it makes more sense? Carrie :) |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by TomM on Feb 15th, 2006, 9:24am This is hilarious! http://www.popdrain.com/videos/cheneyhuntgame.swf TomM |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by sandie99 on Feb 15th, 2006, 9:39am Carrie, if that happened to me, I'd be scared as hell! 6 to 200 fragments, you say? I'd be too afraid to move... Sanna |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Bob P on Feb 15th, 2006, 10:03am Bird shot is a shotgun shell that sprays 100s of small round (smaller than BBs) balls to kill the bird. They'd probably do more damage trying to dig them out than to leave them. |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by burnt-toast on Feb 15th, 2006, 10:12am on 02/15/06 at 09:22:20, Lizzie2 wrote:
Carrie, He was shot with with pellets (bb's) from a shotgun shell which is not a bullet or single projectile. These rounds consist of up to hundreds of bb's that vary in size. BB's for shooting small upland gamebirds are even much smaller than bb's you typically associate with bb guns. Some not much larger than large grains of sand. Shotguns typically are choked - meaning they have a device inserted into the front of the barrel to disperse the bb's in wide or narrow patterns as they leave the barrel. Think of it as creating various sized cones that bb's travel inside of - bb's leaving the barrel are at the peak of the cone and as the move away they spread out into the base of the cone. The closer a target to the front of the cone - the more bb's it will absorb at higher velocity. Because of their small size these bb's lose velosity quickly but 30 yards is an optimal range for the 28 gauge shotgun that was reportedly in use - meaning the distance at which high numbers of bb's are likely to strike a target at peak velosity. Keep in mind that although always potentially lethal a 28 gauge round (very light gauge round) is designed to down small game not large animals. That's why most of the damage was superficial, however, because the hunter was in an optimal range some bb's obviously penetrated deeper into his body. Because they're so small bb's could even have penetrated some vital organs without causing enough damage to be life threatening. Tom |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by TomM on Feb 15th, 2006, 10:15am on 02/15/06 at 09:22:20, Lizzie2 wrote:
Sure, I'll take a stab at this. Bird shot used for quail hunting is about a size 7 shot. The larger the number of the shot the smaller the size. Double ought [00] is the size of a .32 cal slug or the size of your pinky nail; roughly. Size 7 shot is about twice the size of a pin head. Go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birdshot They are tiny and well over 300 in each shotgun shell. Does that help? TomM |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Kevin_M on Feb 15th, 2006, 10:15am on 02/15/06 at 09:22:20, Lizzie2 wrote:
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Lizzie2 on Feb 15th, 2006, 10:24am Thanks you guys! Makes a lot more sense now. :) I haven't read anything on how they speculate the man had the heart attack other than that the bullet travelled to his heart, which is how they put it on KYW radio last night. Hearing that seemed to Joe and I that this meant one of the pellets had embolized...similar to a pulmonary or fat embolism, which can occur in the body naturally. So I took that to mean that the pellet must have somehow entered the blood stream and been carried to the heart, but like I said, I haven't read any actual articles about how the attack happened. Given the small size of the pellet, I guess that's pretty imagineable (sp?), but probably would have had to land in a vessel fairly close to the heart to not have gotten caught in venous valves or smaller capillary vessels. Unless of course, the radio's statement of "traveled to the heart" isn't referring to an emboli, but rather that somehow with movement or by seeking treatment in some way, the pellet had penetrated through tissues to reach the heart - but I'd think the blood vessel way would be more likely! Wonder how they know for sure none of the others went into vessels or deep enough to do the same thing...I'd imagine it would be hard to locate all of these on imaging scans!! One of my good friends from the ER came over to my apartment once, and he was telling me he'd forgotten that he had his bb gun in his backpack on the way over. He took it out, and he was laughing at me because my face went white as a ghost. He told me that it couldn't actually hurt me, but he put it away because I was obviously nervous about him having it in the apartment! Well...since my cousin was killed in a gun accident, just the site of them kind of freaks me out! Then my roomie later told me that when her former NJ state trooper boyfriend was over, he'd had his gun with him if he was coming from work. The things I never knew!! haha Anyways...thanks for the explanation!! Carrie :) |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Melissa on Feb 15th, 2006, 10:32am on 02/15/06 at 10:03:21, Bob P wrote:
Exactly. My brother in law has to have some remain inside his arm due to it being worse to remove it. Did I mention his brother shot him?? [smiley=laugh.gif] Ohhhhhh that was a fun day! ;) BTW, these accidents DO happen. I happen to think the evil media is blowing everything out of proportion, as usual. :P (yes! it was a conspiracy! all lawyers will be terminated!) |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by chewy on Feb 15th, 2006, 11:12am Intelligence reports indicated the Lawyer had WMDs in his coat. Cheney shot him in the interests of national defense. ATTA BOY DICK! |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by burnt-toast on Feb 15th, 2006, 12:03pm There have been numerous instances where someone shot this way has died or lost a limb much later when a pellet traveled/lodged in the lungs, heart, neck, or blocked the blood supply of an extremity. So called harmless BB guns have have also accounted for deaths and or serious physical imparment. Parents who buy them for their children and do not supervise thier activites or teach the importance of gun safety are making a potentially deadly mistake. Every gun must be handled as if it is a deadly weapon. Tom |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by nani on Feb 15th, 2006, 12:09pm on 02/15/06 at 11:12:19, chewy wrote:
I always thought he was a trigger happy little bastard. Too bad he had "better things to do" than go to Viet Nam. ::) |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Melissa on Feb 15th, 2006, 12:13pm on 02/15/06 at 12:03:19, burnt-toast wrote:
Exactamundo! Same thing with a car. Betcha most people don't think of THAT though. ::) In my family, gun handling and saftey is taught as soon as our kids show signs of understanding and interaction. My 2 year old son knows not to point his toy shotgun & rifle at people. He does have a fun time pointing it at the buck mounts on the walls though. ;;D Jesse (hubby) takes them out with him to do target practice and teaches them just not how to shoot the gun, but how to hold it, use the locks, safety, walk with it, etc. He comes from a VERY long line of hunters, and with that has come tons of education. Anyhoo, even I am going with Lily this year to take Hunter's Safety. ;;D |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by TxBasslady on Feb 15th, 2006, 12:23pm on 02/15/06 at 10:03:21, Bob P wrote:
.....and to add......the smaller than BB size pellets, or balls, or whatever you want to call 'em are made of iron. They don't contain any of the good stuff used in our handguns/service weapons. Too bad the news media didn't show this kind of concern for the Vietnam Vets who returned home with all that damn metal shrapnel in their bodies. Nobody gave a damn...... :'( That shrapnel was a death sentence for thousands....but they didn't get national media coverage. .....and I don't even want to get started on that, so I'll back up..take a deep breath and shut up. 8) Jean |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by burnt-toast on Feb 15th, 2006, 12:49pm on 02/15/06 at 12:13:43, Melissa wrote:
I like to hear this. We did the same with our children. Started teaching safety with their toys and kept reinforcing gun safety with them as they grew and began handling a variety of firearms. We're fortunate enough to have a rifle/pistol range in the back yard. We used a variety of targets to show them just how devestating even small caliber firearms can be. Never had to worry about having firearms in the house because their natural curiosity was satisfied through education. They were/are well trained in safety, familiar with safe handling and operation of firearms, were/are aware of how deadly firearms can be and clearly understood that firearms and even toys that launch projectiles were never to even be pointed in the direction of others. Tom |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by TomM on Feb 15th, 2006, 1:39pm on 02/15/06 at 12:23:41, TxBasslady wrote:
Not exactly. Most are lead except when shooting water fowl like ducks or geese. TomM |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by BarbaraD on Feb 15th, 2006, 1:59pm on 02/15/06 at 08:09:03, maffumatt wrote:
There are a few teeth in that law: No hunting within 300 feet of a car wreck or hospital zone. And the bag limits.... 3 yeller bellie sidewinders When I find it I'll send you the whole statute... It's pretty detailed. When I sent it to my attorney his reply was OUCH! Don't remember the dates season is open, but I'm sure in Cass County it's open year round.... Maybe where Dick was hunting it was the same..... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by JJA on Feb 15th, 2006, 3:25pm From the Daily Show: Quote:
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Ree on Feb 15th, 2006, 3:25pm I say put him on a plane and send him to Iraq..... but point out the good guys so he knows which guys he should be shooting..... I am sorry about the man being shot, and now recuperating from something alot worse, but something in me says "let's watch Cheney squirm a little".....sorry thats how I feel... If you or I shot someone we would have a lot of 'splainin to do..... ree (in all her honesty) |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by TxBasslady on Feb 15th, 2006, 3:29pm on 02/15/06 at 13:39:22, TomM wrote:
LOL...could be, Tom But THESE were iron. Maybe the big time lawyer had a feelin Dickie was gonna shoot him..LMAO. Oh well....such 's 'tis Jean...the fisherman....and definitely not a hunter. |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by TomM on Feb 15th, 2006, 3:56pm on 02/15/06 at 15:29:40, TxBasslady wrote:
I think the media has it wrong. I've never seen size 7-1/2 size shot in iron. I have bags of 7-1/2 size shot, in lead, @ home that I use for Trap and Skeet shooting. Hey...I could be mistaken...Does that mean Dickie's gonna shoot me? I am just down the road from the Whitehouse and the Naval Observatory. TomM--who doesn't fly fish. |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by TxBasslady on Feb 15th, 2006, 4:12pm Actually, one of attending physicians said it was iron. But....if it doesn't go on a jhook, and catch bass, I really don't have a clue..LOL You're probably right on this. Hell, I'd have to google it! LMAO Jean...who is NOT a fly fisherman...but a real down to earth...stand on the deck of the boat, bass fisherman. p.s. 'Ya know...I never could get the hang of fly fishing. That damn line got tangled in my hair...around my body..and always got tangled in my damn shoe strings. Jus wadn worth the trouble....LOL |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Sandy_C on Feb 15th, 2006, 4:41pm Do not get me wrong, I am not a Cheney fan, to say the least. Unfortunately, I think this was just a terrible hunting accident. As I read the story (see link below) According to reports, the dumb lawyer stepped out of the line to go pick up a bird he shot, and was supposed to announce that he was coming back in to the line. I realize the bottom line is that the man with the gun has responsibility to know what he is aiming at, and what is behind his prey. And Cheney is taking full responsibility. But, IMHO, the lawyer contributed to his getting shot by also not following rules. I'm not a hunter, so, OK you hunter peoples - let me hear your thoughts. http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=cheney&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D858d8e385f4d62bc%26clickedItemRank%3D10%26userQuery%3Dcheney%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fnews.yahoo.com%252Fs%252Fap%252F20060213%252Fap_on_go_pr_wh%252Fcheney_hunting_accident%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPTop%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fap%2F20060213%2Fap_on_go_pr_wh%2Fcheney_hunting_accident |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by BarbaraD on Feb 15th, 2006, 4:54pm Probably just a good old boy thingy... ya know - a little too much hootch and my daddy's bigger than yours and next thang ya know -- the lead is a flying... that's how things like this happen..... |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by TomM on Feb 15th, 2006, 5:03pm on 02/15/06 at 16:12:59, TxBasslady wrote:
Sorry Jean. I gots too much salt in my brain...soaked through, ya know. I've never done the Fly fishing thing but want to. I like surf fishing off the coast of NC or on boat for Stripers in the Chesapeake Bay. on 02/15/06 at 16:41:15, Sandy_C wrote:
It takes two to get some one pregnant and most times I would blame both "hunters" for this. I was not there to witness it so I cn't say, but... I can see how one guy {VP} was not careful and.....maybe the lawyer fella walked too close... And people wonder why I turn them down when they ask me to take them hunting. Even experienced hunters EFF up. TomM |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 15th, 2006, 5:27pm My only regret---Hillary wasn't invited to quail hunt. |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Melissa on Feb 15th, 2006, 5:50pm on 02/15/06 at 17:27:47, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by TomM on Feb 15th, 2006, 5:53pm on 02/15/06 at 17:27:47, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
That's TROLL hunting and in another thread. |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Charlie on Feb 15th, 2006, 6:18pm http://subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/aiwan1//swoon.gif?SSImageQuality=Fullhttp://subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/aiwan3//hunter.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/aiwan1//swoon.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/umnik.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/personal/to_keep_order.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://smiles.ru/coll/dark/aaa.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Poor guy. Have to wonder. That's what happens to old contributors who show up with a light envelope I guess. Charlie |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Cerberus on Feb 15th, 2006, 6:59pm I'll say it again people... Keep both eyes open when you shoot (you'll see twice as good that way) Be Sure of your target, and sure of the kill... (nothing worse than a maimed Yes 7 1/2 shot does come in Iron... used mostly for waterfowl, per the not so new Federal regulations, AND I might add that it sucks azz... patterning and muzzle velocity are significantly decreased... shoulda used tungsten/steel or just plain .000 BB steel shot. Screw it... upload the 5 shot lead and be done with it.... ;;D and finally in closing... squeeze the trigger instead of pulling you'll hit your target more often that way, and if you practice enough you won't have to re-target as often.... ::) Peace Out yo! 'Bus |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Jonny on Feb 15th, 2006, 7:05pm Sandy, Try running the link you posted through this website http://tinyurl.com/ and repost it, this way we be able to read this page :-* |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Ree on Feb 15th, 2006, 9:07pm ok now I feel bad about what I said. Cheney broke his silence.... said its his fault.... yep it is...... ree |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by _Lee_ on Feb 16th, 2006, 1:38am This appears to be everyone’s fault. It also appears to be one of those ranches where they set out caged birds who don’t act naturally as wild quail do. They get up behind you more than in front of you which cause’s problems from people swinging their guns across others in the line. From what I have read this is most likely what happened. At any rate if you are line hunting every hunter has the responsibility to know where every other hunter in the line is, picking up a bird, taking a leak whatever. Did Dick screw up? Yes, but so did everyone else for not communicating, not an unknown phenomenon in Washington. Lee |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 16th, 2006, 7:07am Please stop Wilma......... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This appears to be everyone’s fault -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I disagree---I think it has something to do with Slick not having sex with that woman. |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Sandy_C on Feb 16th, 2006, 12:30pm on 02/15/06 at 19:05:32, Jonny wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/bodhu Oh Jonny, you will forever be my KING! Your knowledge is so great - I bow to you [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] To all others reading this thread, my sincere apologies about posting the long url. I didn't know it made the pages undreadable. Hope this helps. Sandy |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Sandy_C on Feb 16th, 2006, 12:32pm Why is it still doing it??? [smiley=huh.gif] I'm doing something wrong! >:( I'm sorry you guys |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by echo on Feb 16th, 2006, 12:54pm on 02/16/06 at 12:30:52, Sandy_C wrote:
Ditto Your knowledge is so great - I bow to you [smiley=moon.gif] [smiley=moonwiggle.gif] [smiley=moon.gif] |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by _Lee_ on Feb 17th, 2006, 12:20am [smiley=hurl.gif] |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Charlie on Feb 17th, 2006, 6:49pm George Bush says he stands behind Dick Cheney.... way behind. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/madhouse/hunter.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/heehee.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by _Lee_ on Feb 20th, 2006, 3:45am on 02/16/06 at 12:32:53, Sandy_C wrote:
Turn off the switch or unplug it, removing it works too. |
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Title: Re: I can't believe this Post by Ghost on Feb 20th, 2006, 11:11am on 02/15/06 at 07:43:35, BarbaraD wrote:
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