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Title: Social Security REFORM.... Post by BarbaraD on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:55am This is something I feel is long past the time of being ready for reform (along with the health care of our "elected officials" but that's a different bill). It's time for the PEOPLE to speak up --- Hugs BD Social Security WHY WAIT UNTIL 2008? THERE IS AN ELECTION IN 2006. I HEREWITH FIRMLY STATE THAT I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANY POLITICIAN, REGARDLESS OF THE OTHER ISSUES, IF HE DOES NOT SPONSOR AND SUPPORT THE FOLLOWING LEGISLATION. THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE STANDING FOR ELECTION IN 2006. LET US SHOW OUR LEADERS IN WASHINGTON "PEOPLE POWER" AND THE POWER OF THE INTERNET. LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE WITH ME ON THIS BY FORWARDING TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT! KEEP IT GOING!!!! 2008 Election Issue!! GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC. SEC. This must be an issue in "2008" Please! Keep it going. ---------------------------------- SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.) Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it. You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan. For all practical purposes their plan works like this: When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives. This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives. Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH.... This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan . The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds; " OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"! From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into,-every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer)-we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator! Bill Bradley's benefits! Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. That change would be to: Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us then sit back..... and see how fast they would fix it. If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve. |
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Title: Re: Social Security REFORM.... Post by burnt-toast on Feb 10th, 2006, 6:49pm Do you mean the same leaders who have disignated the money employees/employers are forced to set aside for survivor/retirement benefits as a general tax? Do you mean the same leaders who petitioned and were supported in this decision by U.S. Supremely Stupid Court? Do you mean the same leaders who have spent more than 3 trillion dollars from the Social Security trust on general government ops. and special projects? Do you mean the leaders who so graciously replace our money with meaningless IOU's and have ensured that the Social Security Trust has gained no real interest for decades? Do you mean the same leaders who speak of the Social Security trust as if still actually exists - after all, on paper there could be lot of money in it? Do you mean the same leaders that would need to increase the national debt to repay their IOU's and hit taxpayers up a second time to repay our own money that we entrusted to them? Do you mean the same leaders who fight so hard every year to squash any provisions or laws that would require our money to be paid back into the trust when it is Do you mean the same leaders who use incomming Social Security taxes to pay benefits, spend the rest and insist baby boomer retirements are the reason the trust fund is empty? It's no wonder why legislators refuse to pay into Social Security and choose to use taxpayer money to establish their own private retirement plan. Because they rob Social Security blind. I'll bet my life savings and everything I own - that our money - in their plan - is never borrowed for government operations - acrues massive amounts of interest - and is heavily leveraged in high yield investments. So they can even start by paying their way into Social Security by transferring these funds into the Social Security Trust. I believe this is truely the most outstanding idea that I have heard to correct the Social Security scam. Tom |
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Title: Re: Social Security REFORM.... Post by L-E-E on Feb 10th, 2006, 7:40pm " BD, Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it. You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan." I think we could find a way to a grandfather clause to include these sort of people. I got a bill that says it ain't going to happen. What deficit? Lee |
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Title: Re: Social Security REFORM.... Post by Charlie on Feb 11th, 2006, 3:04am Do you mean the same GOP leaders that have been dying for 70 years to kill the New Deal and one of the few good things that have come out of Washington? Medicare and Medicaid are next if we let them. We are told that the fund is broke all the time. It pales compared to the horrible shit wasted on subsidies to oil billionaires. Every day, it's hammer the poor, infirm, and retired. Trying to save money this way is not only mean, it's stupid so many ways. Never let them get away with tinkering with this. They can come up with endless funds for billionaires so let's make them aim at some harder targets for a change. I don't understand it. Life is too short to be so nasty to WWII veterans and the very people that allowed this country to boom after the war. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/pound down x.gif No matter what they say: There goal is to kill it, not to save it. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Social Security REFORM.... Post by burnt-toast on Feb 11th, 2006, 11:48am on 02/11/06 at 03:04:25, Charlie wrote:
Charlie, you are so far off base when you try to make this a GOP issue. Give up the political bias here because you're only helping government get away with activities that would be viewed as criminal in the private sector. Corporate leaders who misuse employee pension funds go to jail - political leaders don't because "The People" let them get away with it by allowing one party to play us against the other. The destruction of Social Security is a total government effort that begain during decades of Democratic control on Capitol Hill. The money we were forced to pay into Social Security has been misappropriated. Nearly every representative of both parties, a variety of government agencies and the U.S. Supreme Court have their hands in this. Since Social Security was established, incomming Social Security tax revenues have always exceeded benefit payments. The government pays benefits every month with incomming taxes and spends the excess. They've squadered our investment. What should be a massive pool of money collecting massive amounts of investment/interest revenue doesn't exist. Both parties have bled the Social Security trust dry, replacing over $3 trillion dollars with meaningless paper that has no value, collects no interest and only grows on imaginary government paper. WTF Charlie, to repay the over $3 Trillion in government IOU's, a new tax on "The People" would be needed to restore our own money and we can never recover the investment/interest losses. Representatives from both parties must be held accountable. It's clear that this is why they fund their own private retirement plan with additional taxpayer money. I'm sure their trust consists of real money that is really invested - leveraged in high yield accounts. They - meaning Republican and Democratic leaders have padded their retirement nest egg with more of our money while squandering the money we are forced contribute as part of our retirement nest egg. The fact is government cannot be trusted with the management of "The People's" money because they view it as their own. I agree with your comment that the goal is to kill it - not save it. But this is an issue that crosses all political party boudaries. Tom |
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Title: Re: Social Security REFORM.... Post by Charlie on Feb 11th, 2006, 4:34pm The GOP won't stop until it's 1890. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Social Security REFORM.... Post by BarbaraD on Feb 11th, 2006, 9:39pm I think this issue crosses party lines. BOTH are responsible and both should be held accountable. I really think the jerks should learn to live on SS with the rest of us. But it will take another uprising from us grass roots folks (like voting all of them out and a whole new bunch in) to get anything done. Grandfather clases be damned! Cut 'em off at the pass. They should have enough left in campaign contributions to live very nicely. Hugs BD |
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