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(Message started by: zwibbs/Scott on Feb 7th, 2006, 4:23pm)

Title: Iran/ Press
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 7th, 2006, 4:23pm
Iran's leading Newspaper is holding a contest for people to submit cartoons about the holocaust...Need I say more about these creeps ? Freedom of the press my as*

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by carriefu on Feb 7th, 2006, 4:28pm
being of DANISH ancestory, i know we are peaceful people, and we love our freedom...people are allowed to express their opinions!!!

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Jonny on Feb 7th, 2006, 4:43pm

on 02/07/06 at 16:28:40, carriefu wrote:
people are allowed to express their opinions!!!


Muslims are killed when they do....thats why they dont know what free speech is like we do.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by chewy on Feb 7th, 2006, 4:54pm

Quote:
people are allowed to express their opinions!!!


Really?

Care to pass along any cute little Danish cartoons on lets say, child porn or domestic abuse ?

Whats a few chuckles over mass murder compared to the freedom to express your opinion.

Gimme a fuckin break!

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Charlie on Feb 8th, 2006, 12:48am
Candidates for the worst generation.

Charlie

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by karma on Feb 8th, 2006, 6:56am

Quote:
Whats a few chuckles over mass murder compared to the freedom to express your opinion.

Freedom to express does not mean that whats published has to be tasteful.

Let the Iranians parody the Holocaust its there right!
If you don't like it go burn down their embassy. Its the right thing to do.  ::)

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 8th, 2006, 7:35am
LONDON - As Islamic protests grew against the publication of cartoons lampooning Muhammad, a small but vocal Muslim immigrant organization responded with a drawing on its Web site of Hitler in bed with Anne Frank. "Write this one in your diary, Anne," Hitler was shown as saying.

The intent, said the group, the Arab European League, was "to use our right to artistic expression," just as the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten did last September when it published 12 cartoons showing Muhammad, several of them satiric.

"Europe has its sacred cows, even if they're not religious sacred cows," said Dyab Abou Jahjah, the founder of the organization, which advocates for immigrants' rights in Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark.

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_3485740

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by floridian on Feb 8th, 2006, 8:53am
And the Iranians take the lead in the race to the bottom ... publishing cartoons about the Holocaust that would land a publisher in Germany or France in jail.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by chewy on Feb 8th, 2006, 9:07am

Quote:
And the Iranians take the lead in the race to the bottom


Freedom of expression is a close second.


Quote:
Let the Iranians parody the Holocaust its there right!


Did you support Hitler's right to express himself through the attempted elimination of the Jews by mass mudrer.

Let me guess "it was his right".


Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Gena on Feb 8th, 2006, 10:38am

on 02/08/06 at 09:07:16, chewy wrote:
Did you support Hitler's right to express himself through the attempted elimination of the Jews by mass mudrer.

Let me guess "it was his right".


If he only did it on paper - then yes it would have been his right. (not that I approve or would like it)

Mudrer is not a right - that I can remember?

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by karma on Feb 8th, 2006, 10:51am

Quote:
Did you support Hitler's right to express himself through the attempted elimination of the Jews by mass mudrer.

Lets see.
Hitler is responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and others.
and
some of the European press is responsible for pulishing caricatures of a religiuos figure.

Sorry I don't see the connection.

BTW The Danish Govt. has stated they would have no problem if holocaust caricatures from Iran were published in Denmark.

Hey Floridian, Keep the French out of it. They surrendered on the second day when a publisher was fired.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by nani on Feb 8th, 2006, 11:02am
Pardon me...
...isn't free speech part of the democratic principles we're trying to, um, "encourage" in the Middle East?

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by chewy on Feb 8th, 2006, 11:29am
From the HREA:


Quote:
(a) The right to freedom of expression and opinions

The right to freedom of expression upholds the rights of all to express their views and opinions freely. It is essentially a right which should be promoted to the maximum extent possible given its critical role in democracy and public participation in political life. There may be certain extreme forms of expression which need to be curtailed for the protection of other human rights. Limiting freedom of expression in such situations is always a fine balancing act. One particular form of expression which is banned in some countries is “hate speech

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Gena on Feb 8th, 2006, 12:18pm
Promoting tolerance
Still another explanation is that freedom of speech is integral to tolerance, which some people feel should be a basic value in society. Professor Lee Bollinger is an advocate of this view and argues that "the free speech principle involves a special act of carving out one area of social interaction for extraordinary self-restraint, the purpose of which is to develop and demonstrate a social capacity to control feelings evoked by a host of social encounters." The free speech principle is left with the concern of nothing less than helping to shape "the intellectual character of the society".

This claim is to say that tolerance is a desirable, if not essential, value, and that protecting unpopular speech is itself an act of tolerance. Such tolerance serves as a model that encourages more tolerance throughout society. Critics argue that society need not be tolerant of the intolerance of others, such as those who advocate great harm, even genocide. Preventing such harms is claimed to be much more important than being tolerant of those who argue for them.

Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech


Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by seasonalboomer on Feb 8th, 2006, 1:17pm
Here's one of the best things I've read and captures my feelings on the subject to date.

http://www.signandsight.com/features/597.html

scott

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Gena on Feb 8th, 2006, 1:36pm
From Scott posted artical -

"I hereby refuse to feel badly for the chronically insulted. I refuse to argue politely why freedom of expression, reason and humour should be respected. I do not want to continue to have to provide creationists scientific proof that the earth has been around for more than 10 000 years. And I am going to stop waiting for them to say on Al Jazeera, "Did you ever hear the one about the Prophet's beard?"

[smiley=sayyes.gif]

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by rickyshot on Feb 8th, 2006, 2:08pm
Freedom in not license and often the lines are blurred. With freedom comes responsibility. I don't agree with attacking religion even if I find it extreme but extremists do not have the right to push the way on me. If we do not stand up for our values or freedoms, watch how fast they will disappear. Being politically correct is suicide. Shit can anyone say something is wrong anymore? I agree with Johnny on this one.

Look at the beating Bush and others in power took on Katrina. Kanye WEst publically accused Bush of racism and mishandling of the event (I agree) but that is not the issue or argument here. The point is Kanye is still making records and is not a political prisoner and being beheaded or tortured somewhere. And if y'all can't see the big difference in the average Muslim society and ours, we are in bigger trouble than I thought. I am sorry no one is running there for education or immigration. They are coming here in droves. I wonder why. If I immigrate to another country I am expected to do as THEIR laws dictate. Why the hell do some of the latest immigrants insist on changing our laws to bring their fucked up way of life here on our shores under the disguise of religious freedom. Sorry to sound like this cause I am generally pro immigration (most of us came from immigrants in this country) but North America really needs to examine who they are letting in here. Most of the past immigrants who faced bitter predujices and hardships once landing into these shores obeyed laws and fit in to the best of their ability still while preserving their culture. Why the Hell can't the Muslims do that. Don't like our way of life, think we are Satan, then stay the hell in y'all wonderful countries. And believe me I know America is far from perfect but at least we have the right to change moral wrongs and is the best this ol world has to offer. you simply can't compare the two.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by medic1852 on Feb 8th, 2006, 2:46pm
I have listened to this crap on the news and I have read it here. I am fed up with it.

Everyone here pisses and moans about freedom of speech. But you all get bent out of shape when someone uses it. The Danish paper ran some distasteful cartoons about Mohammad. Now there is talk of Iran making cartoons of the Holocaust. Neither is right or nice. But it is their right to free speech. I am not saying Hitler was a nice fellow for murdering Jews. Nor am I saying that the Prophet Mohamed is absolutely correct in his teachings. But then again I am not saying the Holy Bible is either. We all laugh at the cartoons of Mohamed, but get bent and twisted over a threat to make fun of the Holocaust.
All that I am saying is that We All need to be tolerant of the others point of view and sensitive as well.
Just my thoughts and rambleings.

Rodger

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by rickyshot on Feb 8th, 2006, 2:56pm
Exactly Roger. As a Jew I am offended but not surprised at Iran's response. At least I know where they stand who the enemy is so to speak. There is nothing wrong with a backlash to unpopular opinions, cartoons, etc but I draw the line at murder, torture etc to those who you feel threatened by. I don 't agree with the Danish cartoon and feel that Muslims should vehemently oppose them vocally and how about a peaceful demonstration God forbid? But this shit going on is something else and I stand by my original comments.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by chewy on Feb 8th, 2006, 3:21pm

Quote:
We all laugh at the cartoons of Mohamed


I didn't laugh at all.


Quote:
Freedom in not license and often the lines are blurred. With freedom comes responsibility.


Exactly. Neither side had liscense under freedom of expression or anything else. Saying they were is bastardizing the concept of Freedom of Expression.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by imnotbub on Feb 8th, 2006, 3:33pm

on 02/07/06 at 16:23:17, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
Iran's leading Newspaper


The Daily Rag Head [smiley=bomb.gif]

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by karma on Feb 8th, 2006, 3:35pm

Quote:
Neither side had liscense under freedom of expression or anything else. Saying they were is bastardizing the concept of Freedom of Expression.

 Don thats B.S. The caricatures may have been in bad taste but thats all. The Iranains have just as much right to show equeally bad taste.
 Please don't tell me that you are trying to say that the Danes are responsible for shitstorm thats happening now? These things were first published in Sept/Oct last year its now February. Don't you find that a little strange?

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by nani on Feb 8th, 2006, 3:37pm

on 02/08/06 at 15:21:14, chewy wrote:
I didn't laugh at all.


Exactly. Neither side had liscense under freedom of expression or anything else. Saying they were is bastardizing the concept of Freedom of Expression.


I didn't laugh either, frankly, I find none of it funny. I find a lot of stuff on this board offensive and not at all funny. Doesn't mean I won't defend your right to say it.  

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Jonny on Feb 8th, 2006, 3:41pm

on 02/08/06 at 15:37:46, nani wrote:
I find a lot of stuff on this board offensive and not at all funny. Doesn't mean I won't defend your right to say it.  


Thank you, Honey!

I knew you loved me to some degree  :-*

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by nani on Feb 8th, 2006, 3:45pm

on 02/08/06 at 15:41:51, Jonny wrote:
Thank you, Honey!

I knew you loved me to some degree  :-*


You know I love ya lots! You offensive bastard.  ;;D
:-*

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by chewy on Feb 8th, 2006, 4:00pm

Quote:
Don't you find that a little strange?


What I find very strange is that anyone would condone it by using "Freedom of Expression" as an out.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by karma on Feb 8th, 2006, 4:16pm

Quote:
What I find very strange is that anyone would condone it by using "Freedom of Expression" as an out.

Nobody's looking for an "out'
The Danish Govt. said their press has a right to publish.
No laws were broken.
The French........ well they surrendered. Typical!
Nobody else has even suggested that any laws were broken.
How is defending the Freedom of Expression looking for an out?
You don't find it a little strange that its taken 4 months for Muslims to take offense? They must have seen this when it first came out. Even a camel could make it from Denmark to the MiddleEast faster than that.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by medic1852 on Feb 8th, 2006, 4:23pm

on 02/08/06 at 16:16:08, karma wrote:
The French........ well they surrendered. Typical!


I always love to bash the FRENCH.  Can we do that for a few days.... ;;D

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by imnotbub on Feb 8th, 2006, 4:29pm
Hey, give the French a break. Without them we would be drinking tea instead of , well, not tea.

I know it's been over two hundred years, but they will snap out of it.

Steve (of French heritage, sort of)

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 8th, 2006, 4:37pm
Steve (of French heritage, sort of) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ferme Le Bush !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by nani on Feb 8th, 2006, 4:39pm
It's offensive to make fun of the French. Just ask Jonny.  ;;D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/nani36/frenchjonny.jpg

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 8th, 2006, 4:43pm
It's offensive to make fun of the French. Just ask Jonny.  
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Great Stuff Nani----But I think Jonny has his heart in the right place--( not france)

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by imnotbub on Feb 8th, 2006, 4:46pm

on 02/08/06 at 16:37:15, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
------Ferme Le Bush !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Is that spelled correctly? [smiley=slowlaugh.gif]

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 8th, 2006, 4:50pm
Is that spelled correctly?  
 

No---but your hear my drift----TRANSLATION---SHUT-UP--CLOSE---YOUR MOUTH----But as you know I am only kidding ....however France can ****/ ** ****

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Jonny on Feb 8th, 2006, 5:07pm
All American.... Baby!!! ;;D

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc29b3127cce970ec2e7557000000016108AZM2bNk5bM6

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by LeLimey on Feb 8th, 2006, 5:12pm
All American he says...
All MALE "he" says....  ;;D

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a139/lelimey/queenjonny.jpg

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Jonny on Feb 8th, 2006, 5:41pm

on 02/08/06 at 17:12:02, LeLimey wrote:
All American he says...


http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc29b3127cce970ee0add41b00000016108AZM2bNk5bM6

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by LeLimey on Feb 8th, 2006, 5:46pm
Jonny there always be a throne with a vacant sign on it for you here!  :-*

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by medic1852 on Feb 8th, 2006, 5:51pm
Jonny's Throne!!



















http://www.groomingvans.com/mobile2004/max14/toilet/thetford_c.jpg

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Jonny on Feb 8th, 2006, 7:12pm
Can anyone tell me why cartoons that ran in a newspaper four months ago are just now heating things up?

Anyone?

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by medic1852 on Feb 8th, 2006, 7:15pm
Illiter...cant read! [smiley=cowboy.gif]

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Jonny on Feb 8th, 2006, 7:18pm

on 02/08/06 at 19:15:32, medic1852 wrote:
Illiter...cant read! [smiley=cowboy.gif]


You dont have to read a picture.

Next!

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Charlie on Feb 8th, 2006, 8:10pm

Quote:
Did you support Hitler's right to express himself through the attempted elimination of the Jews by mass mudrer.  

Let me guess "it was his right".


I'm sorry. Hitler is different. http://kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/fool.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Don't screw up this thread because of my mention of the ACLU but the main reason I never was interested in being a member is their supporting the Nazi parades in Peoria, Illinois many many years ago.  Nazism is a special case. There has to be a line drawn there.

By the way, the little shit did put his ideas on paper. Mein Kampf sold like mad.

Charlie

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by stevegeebe on Feb 8th, 2006, 8:11pm
It amazes me as to just how close we are to the edge.

A cartoon portraying the violence inherent in the followers of the Muslim faith results in so much death and distruction.  It's out of control and until western civilization makes a stand we are complicit in our own annihilation.

I pray for our childrens future.

Steve G

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Jonny on Feb 8th, 2006, 8:19pm

on 02/08/06 at 20:11:17, stevegeebe wrote:
A cartoon portraying the violence inherent in the followers of the Muslim faith results in so much death and distruction.  


The muslims are running amock, but who is dieing because of it......Muslims!

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by thebbz on Feb 8th, 2006, 8:31pm
;)
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
Ghandi.
Been fightin over the same thing for thousands of years. Should we consider following our respective gods teachings, perhaps some peace would come.
The freedom of speech gives no one the right to insult others. Geez always genocide somewhere. All the while people squabble over some photo. Then again what the $%#% do I know.
jb [smiley=twocents.gif]

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Jonny on Feb 8th, 2006, 8:45pm

on 02/08/06 at 20:31:03, thebbz wrote:
 Then again what the $%#% do I know.
jb [smiley=twocents.gif]


Just keep loading the mags, Dude ;;D

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Cerberus on Feb 8th, 2006, 8:50pm
Jonny... The reason 4 month old toons are just now making a "stink" in places like Iran etc.? Its because they are NOT free to publish anything they want.
Synopsis: In the middle east ALL aspects of culture are religion based as a result. ALL aspects of press, Art (all forms) and other things are not only censored with a religious bias, they are published with the same. If these cartoons were not offensive to them religiously... they would have gotten no air-play. Likewise since they WERE religiously offensive to pretty much the entire Islamic/Muslim religious peoples globally Iran made sure that it got as much air-play as possible... it helps rally the common people and keep them committed to the cause.

I had an Aunt who lived in Saudi-Arabia for 7 years on a visa to work for the kings hospital in the neuclear medicine dept. The stories she brought back to Canada (her home country) were grim at minimum horriffic (by western culture) to say the least. Muslims are very PROUD of their theology and go out of their way to point it out to the rest of the world.
In contrast... I also have spoken with MANY muslims recently and almost ALL of them have told me that in the pictures and tape the media shows us... very FEW of those pictured were there "at will" and even fewer were actually present. Its an old film school trick... the more people you can fit into the frame... the busier or more crowded the shot appears. Iraqis have stated that sometimes they were litterally rounded up and forced at gunpoint to "be in the crowd" during a filming of news or speeches by political leaders.
 I DO know that typical Muslims (albeit devout and strict) are also some of the most humble and generous people around. AND the large majority of those who immigrate here? THOSE are the ones who are usually trying to escape the fanatical factions within their societies.
Of course there are always exceptions to the rule... but I don't hate muslims... I hate their politics. FEW middle eastern politicians were actually elected...which says a little something about those with whom we have trouble. If you beat a dog often enough it typically learns to cower in your presence, OR it becomes violently defensive.

'Bus

 modified to add:
The Irany (pun intended) is two fold... if these extremists want to make a legit point politically... they would have to congregate in one large group.... which effectively makes them easier to target. But if these same people were American islamic extremists, there was a time when our gov't would listen to their greivances, and actually consider some form of reform to accomodate them. Truth can be stranger than fiction.
 We could learn a few things from them though... they are very very very hard line punishment on "crime" their punishments tend to be disfiguring or fatal for those with (even by western standards) serious crimes. All things in moderation... we tend to be a tad lax on punishment and attempt to "reform" our criminals... our system doesn't work, but somehow I suspect that even with a fair trial there would be FAR fewer violent crimes in the U.S. if we were to adopt some of those concepts. (i.e. rape a someone get your D*ck chopped off and the wound cauterized with a hot iron) kinda weeds out the hard line rapists from the fuzzy grey cases we experience here. Might cut back on unecessary litigation methinks too.

I'm done now.
'Bus... Again:-)

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 8th, 2006, 10:32pm
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Phase two is "Opening Eyes", the period we are now in and which should last until 2006. Hussein says the terrorists hope to make the "Western conspiracy" aware of the "Islamic community" as al-Qaeda continues to mould its secret battalions ready for battle.
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Phase three, "Arising and Standing Up", should last from 2007 to 2010, with increasingly frequent attacks against secular Turkey and arch-enemy Israel.

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Phase six, from 2016 on, will be a period of "total confrontation". As soon as the caliphate has been declared, the "Islamic army" will instigate the "fight between the believers and the non-believers" that has so often been predicted by al-Qaeda's leader, Osama bin Laden.

Phase seven, the final stage, is described as "definitive victory".

Hussein writes that in the terrorists' eyes, because the rest of the world will be so beaten down by the "One-and-a-half billion Muslims", the caliphate will undoubtedly succeed. This phase should be completed by 2020, although the war should not last longer than two years

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Melissa on Feb 8th, 2006, 10:48pm
Is 'lizbeth copping a feel???

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by dannyboy on Feb 9th, 2006, 1:52am
It ain't like they've pictured this profit oke banging a donkey or taking a compromising lunch with three of his virgins... nothing wrong with Satire.

It's only blasphemy to draw Mohamed if you're muslim. It ain't blasphemy for me.

Why four months? Cause this is not about the catoorns. Its about Muslim's in general feeling threatened by the west. As they should feel. World Islamic domination, by force if necessary, is no kind of attitude to have even if it's in the privacy of your own toilet.

DB


Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by karma on Feb 9th, 2006, 6:15am
from CNN

Quote:
But Flemming Rose, cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, said he didn't believe there was "a direct linkage" between the publication of the cartoons in September and the eruption of protests this month.
The real violence began only after a group of Danish Muslim leaders, or imams, went to the Middle East and exaggerated the situation, "trying to ignite public opinion against Denmark, did all these tragic events start to unfold," he said.


Why can't all the antagonists be good little cult
followers and do the Jim Jones?


Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by mynm156 on Feb 9th, 2006, 9:47am

on 02/08/06 at 14:46:20, medic1852 wrote:


Everyone here pisses and moans about freedom of speech. But you all get bent out of shape when someone uses it.

Rodger

[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
However,  even if your tired of everyones geting bent out of shape about its FREEDOM of speach @ work.
So ENJOY YOUR FREEDOMS EVERYONE!  Other's are not as lucky.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Drk^Angel on Feb 9th, 2006, 1:10pm
Freedom of expression is an amazing concept.  Too bad, while the US is buzy tryin' to give the rest of the world this very basic of natural human rights, the US government spends countless days/weeks/months/years to prevent it's own people from having it.

PFDAN................................................. Drk^Angel

P.S.  When will those "muslims" realize that they are not permitted to be offended or to get mad like everyone else?  How dare they poke fun at people based on their religion or beliefs  Damn 'em.

DA

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by karma on Feb 9th, 2006, 2:59pm
DA
Yup it just sucks living in the U.S. No freedoms to speak your mind, print your feelings or otherwise disagree with the establishment.

as for this little gem

Quote:
When will those "muslims" realize that they are not permitted to be offended or to get mad like everyone else?  How dare they poke fun at people based on their religion or beliefs  Damn 'em.

If being offended includes burning, looting and murder then your right they are not permitted.
Unless of course its in the name of Islam.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 9th, 2006, 5:03pm
Actually I'm in favor of a Persian Parking Lot. They have fanned the flames of controversial riots...After the crap that we took from them in 79-80-------I think we have to shut them up RIGHT NOW.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Cerberus on Feb 9th, 2006, 7:47pm
Here's an all time Favorite...


Quote:
Hussein writes that in the terrorists' eyes, because the rest of the world will be so beaten down by the "One-and-a-half billion Muslims", the caliphate will undoubtedly succeed.


Thats alot of shiite to wade through, although I wonder if they factor in the 7 plus billion athiest chinese? That figures approx. outnumbered 7-1 against em. at low estimate.
 I assume they have to be a part of the "Non-believer" section. How come no one ever reports terrorist acts against China? Do they HAVE such problems...albeit they are going to kill themselves if they keep abusing their natural resources...

 I'ts an apple?

 I'm done again.
 'Bus

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by floridian on Feb 9th, 2006, 7:53pm

on 02/09/06 at 19:47:24, Cerberus wrote:
Here's an all time Favorite...



Thats alot of shiite to wade through, although I wonder if they factor in the 7 plus billion athiest chinese? That figures approx. outnumbered 7-1 against em. at low estimate.
 I assume they have to be a part of the "Non-believer" section. How come no one ever reports terrorist acts against China? Do they HAVE such problems...albeit they are going to kill themselves if they keep abusing their natural resources...

 I'ts an apple?

 I'm done again.
 'Bus


Um, no.   There are not 7 billion Chinese.  There are not even 7 billion people on Earth - last good estimate I heard was in the ball park of 6.3 billion total.


Quote:
Actually I'm in favor of a Persian Parking Lot. They have fanned the flames of controversial riots...After the crap that we took from them in 79-80-------I think we have to shut them up RIGHT NOW.
 Fanned the flames of controversial riots ??  What does that mean?  Are some riots not controversial?   That crap we took in 1979-1980 helped elect Ronald Reagan! In fact, Ronnie's people negotiated with the hostage takers - keep our people hostage through the election season, and the Republicans will sell you weapons when they get in office.  It was called Iran-Contra.  Selling weapons to terrorists in Iran to make money to give to terrorists in Central America. Because we are against terrorism.  But only when it happens to us.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Charlie on Feb 9th, 2006, 11:22pm
Winston Churchill called Iraq an "ungrateful volcano." Of course he and others helped create the thing. I guess he saw the light after awhile.

To give them some credit, most of the time the Brits, knew enough to just poke around the edges when dealing with this part of the world. Not a bad idea really.

Charlie

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 10th, 2006, 12:45am
In fact, Ronnie's people negotiated with the hostage takers - keep our people hostage through the election season, and the Republicans will sell you weapons when they get in office.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I guess Hillary told you this little tidbit....you know when she stated that there was a " right-wing conspiracy" to discredit she and her husband.......brutal !!!

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by floridian on Feb 10th, 2006, 7:58am

on 02/10/06 at 00:45:04, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
In fact, Ronnie's people negotiated with the hostage takers - keep our people hostage through the election season, and the Republicans will sell you weapons when they get in office.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I guess Hillary told you this little tidbit....you know when she stated that there was a " right-wing conspiracy" to discredit she and her husband.......brutal !!!


When all else fails, invoke Bill and Hillary!


Quote:
An Open Letter to Congressmen Thomas Foley and Robert Michel and Senators George Mitchell and Robert Dole from Former American Hostages in Iran, January 31, 1992

Dear Sirs: As the last American hostages return from the Middle East, questions regrettably still linger concerning allegations of foul play in the 1980 presidential election. These questions can only be settled finally by the United States Congress.

We therefore support the efforts of Congress to conduct a `thorough and fair inquiry' into allegations that our release may have been delayed by political partisans.

Threats of filibuster, attempts to vilify those who have done preliminary research, and reluctance to grant funds and power to the committees conducting these investigations appear as transparent attempts to turn from the necessary task of finding the truth, whatever that may be.

It is unacceptable to delay the investigation any longer because of political squabbling or premature judgements about the veracity of the allegations.

Although we sincerely hope the allegations can be proved false, the decision to move ahead can not be based on what we anticipate the outcome to be. We urge you--the leaders of Congress--to move this investigation forward and insure that dignity, rather than fear, will guide this process to a just conclusion.

Respectfully,

Bruce Laingen, Moorhead Kennedy, Charles W. Scott, William E. Belk, Kevin Hermening, Donald R. Hohman, Robert C. Ode, David M. Roeder, Barry Rosen, Philip R. Ward, Jerry Plotkin, Richard Queen, Alan B. Golacinski, William Royer, Billy Galleges.


http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_cr/h920205-october-clips.htm

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Feb 10th, 2006, 8:32am
When all else fails, invoke Bill and Hillary!  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Correctamundo!!! Because they are the funniest duo since Abbot and Costello----However Joey Buttafuco comes in a close second to Bill and Hillary

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by carriefu on Feb 10th, 2006, 8:42am
some of us feel like the idiot from that village in TEXAS is a much better act than anything we've seen.........

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 10th, 2006, 8:53am
It's nice to know that we have so many foreign policy experts here, lots of advice but no answers.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by carriefu on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:06am
i really dont profess to know anything about foreign policy....but, i really get a good laugh watching the big ear guy blushing and saying words like"i reckon" in his speeches...lol. [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by nani on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:10am
Here's my foreign policy expertise:
Rule #1  stop obsessing about money and power
Rule #2  treat everybody the way you want to be treated

If y'all would just go ahead and elect me leader of the world, I could fix all these problems.  ::)

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by floridian on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:12am
Actually, I like the word 'reckon' - it is an Old English/Old Norse word for calculate or figure.  The modern Icelandic word for calculator (device) is Reiknivel - literally, reckoning machine or calculating machine.

Of course, when W says he is calculating, I am a bit dubious.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:15am
You have my vote Nani, will you fund CH research?





Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by nani on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:16am
Not only will I fund it... I'll be a guinea pig!  ;)

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by carriefu on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:18am
lol....nani..and all....i agree with you, however ole W and his band of merry men might start looking around soon at what theses little cartoons are doing to the world

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:19am
can I be the ambassador to Jamaica.................................Please............

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by carriefu on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:20am
sorry...i lean a little to the left ;) ;)

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by nani on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:20am
LMAO... only if I get to with you...oh wait...
everything would be legal...  ;;D

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by carriefu on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:24am
amsterdam sounds good

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:25am

on 02/10/06 at 09:20:10, carriefu wrote:
sorry...i lean a little to the left ;) ;)


you won't get upset and threaten to visit anyone if they disagree with you will you? I like the left, they are funny.




Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by carriefu on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:27am
no, the right side has the funniest pointy little chins...(look closly....see how all the chins come to a point??)

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:28am
yea but they win elections

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by carriefu on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:29am
scary world...isnt it??

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by nani on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:29am
Don't let Matt fool you, carrie. He loves us liberals.  ;;D

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:30am
very............I like you, you're alright for a left winger.......

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:31am

on 02/10/06 at 09:29:55, nani wrote:
Don't let Matt fool you, carrie. He loves us liberals.  ;;D


yes I do

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by sandie99 on Feb 10th, 2006, 9:40am
Nani, not bad policies! ;;D

Seriously, this whole thing has reminded me that although to many of us there are no limits to things one can joke about. But I do feel sad that to Muslims making fun of their religion is a taboo.

I remember reading about a Muslim comedienne, who makes jokes about her culture and religion, knowing, that it could danger her life. I strongly believe in God, but I don't recall seeing jokes/comedy about my religion which would have offended me. Naturally we're all different.

As a journalist, I do find it horrible if suddenly now press will be heavily controlled. The pressures which come from entertainment (few newpapers back here have now more entertaining content) and lots of other things are already changing journalism into new direction I'm not sure I'd like it to go.  

Peace & understanding to all,
Sanna

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Drk^Angel on Feb 10th, 2006, 10:40am

on 02/09/06 at 14:59:39, karma wrote:
If being offended includes burning, looting and murder then your right they are not permitted.


Yeah... I guess only christians are allowed to do those things.  

Besides, seems to me the topic of this thread was about an Iranian paper lookin' for holocaust cartoons after being insulted by Mohamed cartoons.  Damn... I must be on the wrong thread again.

PFDAN........................................ Drk^Angel

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by karma on Feb 10th, 2006, 10:48am
DA my post from page one.

Quote:
Freedom to express does not mean that whats published has to be tasteful.

Let the Iranians parody the Holocaust its there right!
If you don't like it go burn down their embassy. Its the right thing to do.
 
Its the 21 st century dude. We are all supposed to be "civilized' now.

MAtt, What possible solution could be had for a religious fanatacism that demands death to all that disagree.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Ghost on Feb 10th, 2006, 12:15pm
Just a side note for everyone including me, we are not alone.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by maffumatt on Feb 10th, 2006, 12:29pm

on 02/10/06 at 10:48:16, karma wrote:
DA my post from page one.
 


MAtt, What possible solution could be had for a religious fanatacism that demands death to all that disagree.


Beat them to the punch I guess.  That was my point about the "experts", no one has a solution, and if there is one, it won't be very PC.

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Drk^Angel on Feb 10th, 2006, 12:44pm
Ya know... It takes alot to confuse me, but I must admit... I'm confused... Maybe I need more drugs...

PFDAN.................................. Drk^Angel

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by Ghost on Feb 10th, 2006, 12:48pm
If you thing you are try going back and reading this thing start to finish and then do it again, It takes more turns than hwy 81 in west virginia! It is a good rush though! ;;D [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by imnotbub on Feb 10th, 2006, 2:45pm
Here is the unpleasant future according to Stevodamus.
Iran is going to build Nucular (for you Bush supporters) weapons, but they don't have ICBM capabilities. SOOOOO, they will drop them on Israel.  [smiley=bomb.gif]
Since their military prowess borders on that of MODERN France, they will fail to obliterate. The Israelis will not make the same mistake when they retaliate.[smiley=bomb.gif] [smiley=bomb.gif] [smiley=bomb.gif]
Lots of fallout[smiley=eek5.gif], lots of finger pointing [smiley=argue.gif], great need for alternative fuel sources[smiley=moonwiggle.gif]. End of the Middle East as we know it.     [smiley=nopity.gif]

Title: Re: Iran/ Press
Post by karma on Feb 10th, 2006, 3:01pm

Quote:
Here is the unpleasant future according to Stevodamus

Add N. Korea with icbm capabilities and Iran with extra cash and ........
unpleasant but all to realistic. Don't count on the Mossad or Israel to stand around and wait to get hit first though.

btw, who is Anne Frank anyway?



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