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(Message started by: Ghost on Jan 27^th, 2006, 12:16pm)

Title: Dreams
Post by Ghost on Jan 27^th, 2006, 12:16pm

For many years I am sure I have had dreams but none I remember when I wake up. For the last few weeks now I have woken up to horrable nightmares, that is when the beast lets me sleep. I cant remember for over 20 years even having a dream till now. Is it possable being chronic is affecting this maybe wearing on me mentally? I also have noticed I have started getting more violent thoughts lately like when I was younger. Been trying to relax and clear my mind but not able anymore. Meditation is not working and mental blocks I used in the past totally not effective. I actually lost my temper once which I have been able to control since about mid 80's. Picked up a cooworker with one hand in his chest carried him about 30 feet slamming him into a wall. mind you I am not very big 5'8" 175 approx. cooworker 6' 210 approx. I have had to block my temper alot of years because when I do loose control I completely snap. I really am afraid because I dont want to or like to hurt anyone, but I seem to have lost ability to control this. Any ideas that may help? My biggest fear is to loose my temper with wife and kids which I have never done, I would die if that ever happened. really wonder if the nightmares may be affecting me like this and if being chronic may be causing the dreams.

HELP !

Mike

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by carriefu on Jan 27^th, 2006, 12:21pm

we all have short range tempers...we are sick, and noone seems to understand this, as far as dreams go, my dreams are always very vivid, and as silly as this will seem prophetic(s/p) since i was little, cant tell you how many have come true.

maybe that is the true link...im really notcrazy for saying this...but, maybe we just have too active as brains..

however, my friend, you will be ok, your allowed to be angry right now, it isnt fair

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by Sandy_C on Jan 27^th, 2006, 12:28pm

Goatee, yes, you do have a right to be angry about your pain, and your dreams are probably frightening you. But, you've got to be able to maintain control. Have you talked to your doc about this? If not, I would definitely suggest that you do, because in addition to all else you are going through, you are now becoming afraid of losing control and actually doing harm. Please go talk to the doc - and be brutally honest about your fears. Maybe he can help you or refer you to some else who can.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you - you need a break.

Sandy

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by floridian on Jan 27^th, 2006, 12:47pm

You might consider meds that improve your serotonin and/or GABA neurotransmitters - the two are linked to each other, and to anxiety/agression.

When I have had high anxiety times in the past (lots of panic attacks and general anxiety), I would get snappy and very defensive if someone came too close - it was like there was an alarm zone. If someone went inside that zone, I would sometimes feel like I was ready to shove them - not rational, more like an instinct or reflex. When I control the anxiety, I have no problem dealing with people.

The standard pharma meds include SSRIs for serotonin and benzos (valium/xanax) for GABA. On the natural side, tryptophan (5-htp) and melatonin can help some people, and scullcap and passionflower are GABA mimics that are relaxing. I haven't done the SSRIs (personally very cautious of those), but found the benzos to be fast acting and very effective. People with anxiety tend to take as little as necessary to return to normal function, but these can be habit forming.

Also, there are different types of meditation. The most common form is 'mindfulness' meditation, which is not the easiest to practice. I suggest you check out Metta meditation, which focuses on increasing compassion - here's a couple of links:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/46/16369
http://www.ida.net/users/northstr/yogameditation5.html

Metta is easier than the types that involve clearing all thoughts, thoughts are fine in Metta as long as they are compassionate - just starts by thinking about someone you care for, increasing the feelings, then expanding that love/compassion. With regular practice, it can strengthen the parts of the brain responsible for that emotion. In terms of EEG measurements, experienced metta practicioners have gamma brain waves that are 30x stronger than the average person.

And stay away from root beer and wintergreen.

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by sandie99 on Jan 27^th, 2006, 1:08pm

[smiley=hug.gif]

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by Ghost on Jan 27^th, 2006, 1:13pm

Flo that is the type of meditation I do and got away from it fot about 10 years because I thought I had it licked, Problem refinding focus is extremely difficult for me espicially working 2 jobs and fighting the beast. this is deffinately not normal for me and really worried about the safety for those around me. Usually when I start to slip I would find a focal point like cleaning or building something but no money kills building and wife thinks I am upset with the way she keeps house so not allowed to clean. I have had to limit my OCD to a small area and the kids seem to want to go there and move stuff and put more stuff there even though I keep telling them not to. I even lock the area(shed) but wife gives then key to get stuff out. Not sure if you are familiar with OCD but I live in hell most of the time and destroy things when they are disturbed, Things have to be correct of they are gone. Makes for a misserable life for me and those around me. sorry there I go again off on a tangent. any ideas or suggestions of how to regain a focal point ?

Mike

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by floridian on Jan 27^th, 2006, 2:31pm

I know only a little about OCD, mostly because of the similarities to anxiety and depression. All serotonin related.

You might be interested in inositol - it is used for both OCD and anxiety. I have used it for my anxiety/panic and found it helpful - not so familiar with inositol and OCD, but OCD is often mentioned in the literature alongside panic. It supposed to be equally effective as the SSRIs, but with far fewer side effects (I have seen no side effects). It is available at health food stores, but expensive. Then there are mail-order places where I bought 5 pounds for $40.

Quote:

J Clin Psychopharmacol. 2001 Jun;21(3):335-9.

Double-blind, controlled, crossover trial of inositol versus fluvoxamine for the treatment of panic disorder.

Palatnik A, Frolov K, Fux M, Benjamin J.

Ministry of Health Mental Health Center, Faculty of Health Sciences, Ben Gurion University of the Negev, Beer-Sheba, Israel.

Only 70% of patients respond to current treatments for panic disorder, and many discontinue drugs because of side effects. myo-Inositol, a natural isomer of glucose and a precursor for the second-messenger phosphatidyl-inositol system, has previously been found superior to placebo in the treatment of depression, panic disorder, and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), but a direct comparison with an established drug has never been performed. A double-blind, controlled, random-order crossover study was undertaken to compare the effect of inositol with that of fluvoxamine in panic disorder. Twenty patients completed 1 month of inositol up to 18 g/day and 1 month of fluvoxamine up to 150 mg/day. Improvements on Hamilton Rating Scale for Anxiety scores, agoraphobia scores, and Clinical Global Impressions Scale scores were similar for both treatments. In the first month, inositol reduced the number of panic attacks per week (mean and SD) by 4.0 (2) compared with a reduction of 2.4 (2) with fluvoxamine (p = 0.049). Nausea and tiredness were more common with fluvoxamine (p = 0.02 and p = 0.01, respectively). Because inositol is a natural compound with few known side effects, it is attractive to patients who are ambivalent about taking psychiatric medication. Continuing reports of inositol's efficacy in the treatment of depression, panic disorder, and OCD should stimulate replication studies.

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by JenniferD on Jan 27^th, 2006, 3:07pm

Ghost, I get the exact same way when I am stressed out- like seriously horrid nightmares, wake terrified, and then afraid to sleep the next night because afraid of the next nightmare. A really vicious cycle.

I avoid meds as much as possible. So I first focus on identifying the cause of the stress, change what I can, and then adjust how I am responding to the rest. (admittedly, I need an attitude adjustment sometimes)

You might try some relaxation techniques that work best for you, and also step up on the B complex. Definitely works on anxiety and no side effects. My response sounds childlike compared to the others, but sometimes the its the simple things that work best.

wishing you peaceful dreams,
Jen

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by minnie on Jan 27^th, 2006, 3:47pm

Ghost I am so sorry you have to go through this we joke a lot but I hope you know I'm here if you or your wife need to talk/rant cry.when things are calm talk to your wife let her know it's not her fault but with everything going on controlling your temper is very hard.
I'ts hard not to take things personally so your reassurance might be needed.I can only imagine how hard it is having OCD and not having it respected by your family.everyone needs their space so it doesn't seem like what your asking is unreasonable.This may sound simplistic but please know it's not meant that way can you but up a punching bag,set aside a workout area.I know this can't be done at work but they should be able to see a change in you and respect your need for space.heres just my [smiley=twocents.gif] hope this with the above advice helps.Hoping you get a break soon CH is such a misrable bastard to deal with.everyone in the family feels the emotional pain but
to deal with that and the physical pain I don't know how you all do it.
Minnie who's sending [smiley=hug.gif]
p.s. about those nightmares is it about us girls tieng you up and taking advantage of you instead of the ones where your in charge.J/K [smiley=bash.gif] [smiley=moon.gif]

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by Ghost on Jan 27^th, 2006, 3:58pm

on 01/27/06 at 15:47:08, minnie wrote:

p.s. about those nightmares is it about us girls tieng you up and taking advantage of you instead of the ones where your in charge.J/K [smiley=bash.gif] [smiley=moon.gif]

Ok which one of you silly CHenz put them in there? oh yea give me my horns back!

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] ;;D ;)

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by floridian on Jan 27^th, 2006, 5:04pm

G-man,

have you tried kudzu and/or zyprexa? Was doing some digging - check out this article. Serotonin blood levels lower in people with OCD. Serotonin 2A (5-HT2A) receptors and receptor strength higher in people with OCD. Kudzu and zyprexa and inositol block the serotonin 2A receptor. Some people have reported an increase in hits when taking 5-htp, - 5htp is converted straight into serotonin. But the 'bad' 2A receptors are more common and stronger in OCD, so restoring serotonin alone doesn't quite do it. But I am pretty sure that a person on kudzu that takes a moderate dose of 5-htp would improve their blood serotonin levels while limiting the 2A activity associated with CH/anxiety/OCD.

Quote:

Neuropsychopharmacology. 2005 Aug;30(8):1539-47.

Platelet serotonergic markers as endophenotypes for obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Delorme R, Betancur C, Callebert J, Chabane N, Laplanche JL, Mouren-Simeoni MC, Launay JM, Leboyer M.

INSERM U 513, Faculte de Medecine, Creteil, France. delorme@im3.inserm.fr

Although compelling evidence has shown that obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) has a strong genetic component, its genetic basis remains to be elucidated. Identifying biological abnormalities in nonaffected relatives is one of the strategies advocated to isolate genetic vulnerability factors in complex disorders. Since peripheral serotonergic disturbances are frequently observed in OCD patients, the aim of this study was to investigate if they could represent endophenotypes, by searching for similar abnormalities in the unaffected parents of OCD patients. We assessed whole blood serotonin (5-HT) concentration, platelet 5-HT transporter (5-HTT) and 5-HT2A receptor-binding characteristics, and platelet inositol trisphosphate (IP3) content in a sample of OCD probands (n = 48) and their unaffected parents (n = 65), and compared them with sex- and age-matched controls (n = 113). Lower whole blood 5-HT concentration, fewer platelet 5-HTT-binding sites, and higher platelet IP3 content were found in OCD probands and their unaffected parents compared to controls. Whole blood 5-HT concentration showed a strong correlation within families (p < 0.001). The only parameter that appeared to discriminate affected and unaffected subjects was 5-HT2A receptor-binding characteristics, with increased receptor number and affinity in parents and no change in OCD probands. The presence of peripheral serotonergic abnormalities in OCD patients and their unaffected parents supports a familial origin of these disturbances. These alterations may serve as endophenotypic markers in OCD, and could contribute to the study of the biological mechanisms and genetic underpinnings of the disorder.

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by Jonny on Jan 27^th, 2006, 5:08pm

on 01/27/06 at 17:04:28, floridian wrote:

Huh? ....LOL ;;D

I love ya, Flo and you know it!!

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by Charlie on Jan 27^th, 2006, 7:29pm

All I can add is that I too have a short fuse and it's never been helpful. It's gotten better over the years but then how would I know? It's probably 1892 and I'm living in Rangoon.

I had all my really horrible dreams, it seems, when I was a kid. I was scared to fall asleep when I was little. Since then, I usually dream about dead relatives that I'm usually happy have to find are still that way upon waking. No doubt seizures and the drugs are the reason.

I'm hoping that you'll get over this soon. It may be something your system has to get out of the way. I know.....ridiculous but I'm not into eastern philosophy.

Hang on Mike. http://smiles.ru/coll/pain/pain37.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Charlie

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by floridian on Jan 27^th, 2006, 9:13pm

on 01/27/06 at 19:29:14, Charlie wrote:

All I can add is that I too have a short fuse and it's never been helpful. It's gotten better over the years but then how would I know? It's probably 1892 and I'm living in Rangoon.

Charlie

WTF?? It's 2006, and I doubt you are even eating Crab Rangoon! But yesterday a buddy of mine got back from a trip to Burma. And he didn't mention you, so your probably safe in the midwest, Charlie. Charlie Chong. Whaaat?

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by Jonny on Jan 27^th, 2006, 10:15pm

The hell with crab rangoon ;;D

Lets eat lobster!!!!

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cc05b3127cce961e53da7d3e00000016108AZM2bNk5bM6

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by cootie on Jan 27^th, 2006, 10:36pm

Oh shit goatie I have been goin thru some of the same shit........I'm a supporter so of course I don't have near what you have to deal with but........everything else is ME lately. I lost it after new years.......and am very disapointed in myself cuz I let me temper go. I tossed a small coffee table with one hand across the room. I just got so MAD I couldn't control myself......and stuff has been irritateing and rubbin me the wrong way lately. Seems stress and the bad dreams all go hand in hand since it is a 'state of mind' workin on ya and reflecting in everything. The holidays push me to the limits and this year was too much.......seems you can take so much but when the walls start to fall around you you get a trapped feeling and feel like a wild animal in a cage wanting to BOLT. Did I explain that rite ?? I actually got mad at all my friends and stopped talking to them basically tryin to get myself under control and not show my bad side and stay away for a bit. Rare I do that with friends......VERY rare. I even threw some stuff......always been able to control that even tho the urge was there cuz THAT IS NOT ME. I used to take paxil and it worked FAST I must admit but then it goes too far......ya get heartless and sloppy and no feelings. Hell to get off of it and feel normal again........got real sick when I stopped takeing it. Immune system went for a LOOP-DEE-LOOP or sumthin. Most of that stuff is bad for weight gain so I won't take it........I have chronic back and joint pain and it's gotten worse. So I think I hit my limit. Xmas left my house a wreck.......things went wrong......and I turned UGLY. I don't like how I FEEL......fuse got too short. I'm good bad and stressed Pam

Maybe it's a faze like everything else in life.....so hang in there and go do sumthin ya LIKE when ya get 'shaken'......I go shoppin a short bit. I'd think you'd be dreamin about carrots and corn ???

PS: I think the antidepressants....and all that jazz......actually TEACH you to react differently cuz it slows reaction THINKING down to where things are over before ya had time to explode and think about it and ya move on to the next subject.....and it teaches you to change. But after so many years ya seem to slide back.....slow at first then WHAM-O-BAM0 !

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 27^th, 2006, 10:41pm

Everyone's lives and circumstances are different, situations differ too, but hate and it's sparky cousin anger can be like calling a useless repairman. Add them to an already bad situation and they make it worse.

if insanity stands next to you, teach it to fail. ;)

Title: Re: Dreams
Post by E-Double on Jan 27^th, 2006, 11:04pm

My wife and I are a perfect pair.....

she has some OCD tendencies which manifest into organization.

Mine are in the form of hording. I'm a pack rat!

Oh boy what a pair.

Generalized anxiety, chronic CH, hording.........yippee.

Dream on just make sure to weed out the ones with the sheep and mexican midgets