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Title: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by BarbaraD on Jan 19th, 2006, 6:02pm Ya'll have heard me speak of my friend John, the mild mannered CPA. Well, John took a little vacation down to the beach for a little R&R. Made his flight reservations online months ago and they told him he could print out his boarding pass the day he got ready to leave. Well yesterday morning he got ready to leave and went online to print out his boarding pass and it wouldn't let him print out one. So, John goes on to the airport and goes to the ticket counter to get his boarding pass. It's taking a LOT longer than normal and he asks "why" he couldn't print it out online. The ticket agent finally tells him that he's on the "Watch List". After he takes several DEEP breaths (and probabaly a valium) he asks WHY the HELL he's on the Watch List. Seems that Big Brother doesn't really believe ANYONE is really named John Samuel Adams! He called me from the airport yelling about this embarrasment and being the sympathatic friend I am, all I could do was laugh till I was crying. I told him he was just lucky I wasn't traveling with him cause he probably would have NEVER gotten to the damn beach after my big mouth got into that one! ;;D And the bright side (according to the nice lady at the ticket counter) is that he'll probably be on the Watch List for about a year. My mama always said ya gotta watch those quiet ones..... Hugs BD ;) |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by BobG on Jan 19th, 2006, 7:28pm According to Yahoo People Search there are 3751 John Adams in the USA. Common sense would dictate at least one would be a Sam. Only in America. :-/ |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Karla on Jan 19th, 2006, 11:42pm I know a John Samuel Adams also! And a Samuel John Adams. Father and son. Friends of my son. lol |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by forgetfulnot on Jan 20th, 2006, 12:39am It's the Adams family there concerned about ;;D the hand mainly. Lee |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Mr. Happy on Jan 20th, 2006, 12:45am We're being watched for our Own Good. Period. Even Google searches are now available to the Gov. All of them. Heh. Just last night, I saw a special report on a new pandemic - Cell Phone Elbow. Welcome to the new Millennia. RJ |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by JJA on Jan 20th, 2006, 9:01am Yes, having the federal government spy on you is a good thing. At least I know someone is reading my posts. |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Jan 20th, 2006, 9:26am And having a name that includes Samuel Adams is a bad thing??? It wouldn't bother me. http://www.bibacity.co.uk/shop/files/BeersofScotland/samueladams.jpg |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Ueli on Jan 20th, 2006, 11:01am I just heard about another excess of this paranoiac fear of terrorists: On his flight to the figure skating European championship the luggage of a skater was lost, nothing unusual. Luckily the luggage was soon found, it happens some times, and most of it returned to the owner. Most, because for safety reasons they couldn't hand back the skates. The poor guy had to compete on brand new skates instead on the ones he had 'run in' for the whole season. But then, ice skates come handy if you want to split someone's head. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by nani on Jan 20th, 2006, 12:06pm on 01/20/06 at 09:01:42, JJA wrote:
I always read your posts, pookie. :-* |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by floridian on Jan 20th, 2006, 12:59pm on 01/20/06 at 00:45:23, Mr. Happy wrote:
Google is going to fight it! It's more about corporate privacy than the rights of the individual ... the searches the government wants wouldn't be linked to the people that were searching. My question is: why should Google (or any other company) be compelled to do the government's homework to help them justify a law that was thrown-out two years ago? Isn't forced labor uncostitutional? Ever hear of a fishing expedition, Gonzalez? If the lazy asses at the Justice Department would just go to www.metaspy.com, they could see what people are searching for. Free. 10 search strings every 15 seconds. More if you hit the refresh button. They could probably even buy a weeks worth of the data from metaspy, which is in the business of providing that data. Here's a taste of what the governent wants, courtesy of MetaCrawler: homesellcanada.com spying on american citizens cuzco, peru knowledge management project hockey+steroid testing companies broan dusctless hood range kapake is my female dog pregnant? peru examples of grant proposals office in the netherlands toothpick bridge general hospital bunnyteens toyota echo suspension blue ridge business journal 10 hotel management washington post zelda rom hessaby football raunchy breast women crime and punishment online baumarkt rundhölzer rundholz rundstab not in the office "clip art of hand holding money" bionary encoding small business phone gas theutilityswitch.com lyrics wilson pickett skirts and hi-heels the snapper (dvd) ecclesiastes 12:6 in the office video rogers shooting school + ellijay, ga. albert hofmann tmj 69 lesbians project management within the isd process purse inserts right to life march and washington medusa eagle alloys wheel locks reverse directory ardmore limousine service "turtle pictures" great oaks student loan myspace.com combine neutrogena acne acne laser scar treatment acne treatment music sex subliminal hee haw website dogsex.com acne herb natural scalp acne natural acne treatment acnecare.biz "turtles of the southeast" cheap paris hotels boone commercial real estate boone county missouri real estate blowing rock county illinois real estate brips.com eibach sportline mustang pics opinions boob job statistical techniques in business and economics eibach sportline mustang pics opinions shoppers dug mart- mission statement environmental management courses eibach sportline mustang pics opinions mature thumbnails acadian guitard music eibach sportline mustang pics opinions A detailed analysis of this data reveals the following: 1) most people don't use search engines to look for porn these days; they know the names of the good websites already. 2) Some people are really stupid. Why lookup myspace.com or homesellcanada.com in a search engine? It will point you straight to those websites! Stupidity is the only answer. 3) Some people can't spell, and will never get what they want from life. Bionary encoding? Thats B-I-N-A-R-Y encoding. (Just goes to show that there are 10 types of people in the world - those that understand binary, and those that don't.) 4) hee haw website... that about says it all. Is it any wonder the government does such a good job of watching John S. Adams? They don't understand the world, but they are going to protect us from it. |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by BarbaraD on Jan 20th, 2006, 1:32pm on 01/20/06 at 09:26:29, ExplodingEyeBall wrote:
He has a great collection of coasters and "empty" bottles if the government is interested in that....... The funny part is I AM going on a plane trip with him in Feb. This could be FUN!!!!! Poor John...... We may BOTH be on the watch list after his next trip........ Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Charlie on Jan 20th, 2006, 3:39pm That's the way it starts Floridian. A little here, a little there. People never learn. This from the same bunch that wastes our time and money holding decency hearings to make sure you and I don't pay attention to the fact that we have been letting Dubya get away with ending 230 years of free speech. It was Tom Paine and Ben Franklin that warned us of this. George Bush and Dick Cheney said no need to worry your pretty little heads though. Thank God. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/spy blind.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by maffumatt on Jan 20th, 2006, 7:37pm Hasn't shut you up yet Charlie......................and never let them !!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Cerberus on Jan 20th, 2006, 9:45pm Liberals... geez. :-X..... got somethin ta hide? :-X Ok... I'm done now...really ;) 'Bus |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by BobG on Jan 21st, 2006, 12:47am on 01/20/06 at 21:45:34, Cerberus wrote:
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by floridian on Jan 21st, 2006, 8:46am on 01/20/06 at 21:45:34, Cerberus wrote:
Geez ... people pretending they got nothin to hide ... Let's start by decriminalizing breast feeding and making clothing optional. Then we'll make all walls transparent, starting with the bathroom stalls, then bathroom walls. All kinds of illegal things go on there, from drug use to masturbation, diarrhea and reading Newsweek on company time, but upright citizens have nothing to fear from the new policy of transparency. Imagine the lives that will be saved if someone has a heart attack in an otherwise vacant bathroom - when people see it on their webcams, they will immediately call 911. Instead of mail being delivered in sealed envelopes to individual homes, we'll just have the mail carrier post it all on a neighborhood bulletin board. Email servers will be reconfigured so everyone has read permission for everything! Private telephone lines will be replaced with the 'party lines' of old - if they were good enough for grandpa and grandma, they're good enough for you.. Nosy Nelly down the street might spend most of the day lurking to hear to your phone calls, but where's the harm in that? She just might catch a terrorist! You can't trust a person with pockets - never know what they are hiding in it. The new clear plastic tote bags are approved by Homeland Security, and are a fashionable replacement for pockets, purses, and brief cases. Your metal-free clothing not only lets you pass through the new generation of detectors at airports, work and the mini-mart, but also allow you to undergo an emergency MRI without having to change! And this security will be good for business - the chances of someone sneaking a healthy snack into a movie theater will drop to near zero. Law against peeping toms will be repealled, and voyeurism will be elevated to a virtue. Eliminating privacy will help build community. We'll all start minding each other's business. It takes a village, you know .... |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by burnt-toast on Jan 21st, 2006, 9:25am All the other search engines have turned over the records that the government wants. Got to hand in to Google for telling the Feds. to piss off. The Patriot Act opened the door to domestic spying by our government. "Big Brother" has once again proven it will push the limits of government intrusion into private lives if given any opportunity. First it was to protect us from "Potential Terriorists" now expanded to protect us from ourselves. Who would have guessed? This is what happens when citizens silently sacrifice freedoms for a false sense of security. I wonder how "The U.S." will spell "The SS". Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. Careful - we're being watched Comrade. Tom |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by BarbaraD on Jan 21st, 2006, 10:46am Frankly, my letters have already gone off to Congress about this..... What really gets to me right now is they're spending more time on that damn whale in London than on this in the news. DO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST NOT GIVE A DAMN??????? Can we not learn anything from history? Have we lowered our education system so far that we've graduated a bunch of robots from our public schools the past few generations? We can't even keep up with illegal immigrants yet the US gov. wants to spy on American citizens? I've traveled pretty much around the world and US airport security is a joke. Now I just have to wear "clean socks" along with the clean underwear so when I take my shoes off at the airport, I won't embarrase anyone! Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by burnt-toast on Jan 21st, 2006, 11:15am on 01/21/06 at 10:46:50, BarbaraD wrote:
BD you and I are most likely on the same government watch list. My letters are also sent. Again its apathy. U.S. citizens should be outraged by the numerous recent governmental moves into communism/socialism. Can't own land, can't pray out loud, not entitled to personal privacy, - infinite etc., etc., etc's. Government is tearing the flesh from our Constitution because there little more than a peep from the sheep. Tom |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by JJA on Jan 21st, 2006, 4:21pm We must sacrifice freedom for the war on terror, which is fought for freedom. Right? Thanks nani Jesse |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Charlie on Jan 21st, 2006, 4:46pm The thing is that they can and have done it anyway for years. Pricks. It doesn't need to be easier for these goons to look in on what I do when I laughingly think no one is looking. It should be hard for them to get bored out of their nosy little minds. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/cockroach.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by BarbaraD on Jan 21st, 2006, 8:52pm Yeah Charlie, if you're half as exciting as me -- they probably get a LOT of sleep watching..... ;;D Maybe we should take up chasing cats again....ummmm oh the hell with it - let 'em sleep - our tax money at work... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by DonnaHar on Jan 21st, 2006, 9:40pm Supposidly, the search engines are giving the government the search quirey information stripped of user identification. They are only interested in the terms being searched for. Example: I was looking different woods for a home project. I searched for "black walnut". The results had nothing to do with wood! I got the porniest of porn. The U.S. Congress, in its' infinite wisdom and internet savy believes it can pass U.S. laws that will control internet content worldwide. Unfortunately, this stupidity will only burdon the U.S. portions of the internet with regulations the rest of the world won't have to follow. One sided thinking like this will only move more of the internet out of the U.S. The U.S. Congress in this case wants to pass laws governing seach engine results, filtering and access. If only U.S. based search engines must comply, then there won't be U.S. based search engines, ie: Google moves to China. Citizens of the U.S. who are truly concerned about what children access using search engines and issues involving children on the internet should look to the Executive Branch, the State Dept. and the United Nations, not the Legislative Branch which can only unfairly burdon U.S. based internet businesses. |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Charlie on Jan 22nd, 2006, 4:28am I pity the political giant that censors the internet. How to get apathetical left wing voters out of the woodwork. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by maffumatt on Jan 22nd, 2006, 10:51am I liked the ide of a porn url xxx. like .com .gov .org .edu .seems that would solve alot of the problem. |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by eyes_afire on Jan 22nd, 2006, 11:34am I'm not so sure we can yet agree on the definition of porn. I'm still pissed they removed the guitar tab websites :( In the future, everything will be banned... --- Steve |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by BarbaraD on Jan 22nd, 2006, 12:16pm Personally I don't see why PARENTS can't just put in a password or whatever it is to KEEP THE KIDS OUT OF THE PORN sites. Why do we need the government supervising this at all? Of course I was raised back in a "simpler" time when kids respected their parents and didn't have access to all this modern stuff ( we just snuck off the riverbottoms to read all the "nasty" forbidden magazines and thought we were so grown up). Back then the "government" actually thought our parents were bright enough to raise their own kids, but what did they know.... Hugs BD |
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Title: Patriotic National Emblem Post by Mr. Happy on Jan 22nd, 2006, 4:10pm http://mushys.com/pix/usa01.jpg The government today announced that it is changing its emblem from an Eagle to a Condom, because it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Lizzie2 on Jan 22nd, 2006, 5:34pm on 01/22/06 at 12:16:05, BarbaraD wrote:
Well.... I totally agree with being appalled by the government's ability to spy on Americans, but I did just want to say something on this one... Part of the reason they're looking at these "porn" searches is not just because of adults or children looking up porn. Keeping America's children safe doesn't just mean keeping our kids from looking at porn. It's largely to crack down on child pornography. I just heard a story last night about a guy from India who was kicked out of the US because he was not only looking at child pornography, but also trying to solicit minors over the internet. I do think cracking down on a very vile form of child abuse is very important - but I don't know that this is the best way to do it! My .02 Carrie :) |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by JJA on Jan 22nd, 2006, 7:03pm Quote:
I don't think so. They want the search records to make a case to restore the Child Online Protection Act (COPA). Quote:
I haven't seen any articles that said they wanted the search records to go after child porn or predators. Please correct me if I am wrong. Jesse |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by JenniferD on Jan 22nd, 2006, 8:24pm Just playing devil's advocate ........... If you aren't doing anything wrong, ie. terrorist shit, what do you have to worry about? I figure, let them look at what I look at, let them read my emails. They'll move on really quickly. naive me, Jen |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by DonnaHar on Jan 22nd, 2006, 9:12pm One of the biggest issues here is the fact that only the U.S. would be regulated, thus seperating us from the rest of the world. This should not be an issue for the U.S. alone. It should not be regulated here in the U.S. alone. I'm sure other countries are just as interested in keeping their children safe as we are. If our government chooses to interfere in our rights and actually does succeed in regulating our internet use, we will lose the big companies to other countries just as we continue to do with other industries. I totally agree with Barbara that parents should be (should have been) the watch dogs, but too many failed in doing their duty. Now, since we have been so conditioned to being stepped on, we will grumble amongst ourselves and just take another one on the chin. I'm tired of it. That's why I started my web site that some 6 people participate in. Seems that grumbling is OK, but actually making some noise isn't. |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Pinkfloyd on Jan 22nd, 2006, 9:32pm on 01/22/06 at 20:24:45, JenniferD wrote:
You'll change your mind when they read it and find all those emails between you and Ari Budabi in Nigeria discussing illegal mail transfers of millions of dollars. It'll be worse when they find all the letters in your junk mail box where you tried to hide/delete them, as tax evasion. Of course, they'll drop those charges if you plead guilty to postal fraud for that time you reused the stamp that came to your home, unwatermarked. They aren't doing this to find child abusers. They "say" they want a list just like Flo posted...not who went where. Its just trying to crack the door open...I say shut it on their freakin fingers. Pete Townsend of The Who was charged with child pornography and who knows why he was looking at the sites, but he says to "research" child porn so he could do something about it. Where people go has nothing to do with why they are there. People run searches on child porn just to see what and who is in their neighborhood, so they can keep their children safe, as they should. Many people keep an eye on sex offenders in their areas, by searches on the internet. I search my county sheriff's site all the time so I know who I might be going to see for an estimate or work for. I check to make sure people that are applying for a job with me, aren't on the list. You probably have hundreds of copies of copyrighted pictures on your computer right now. Check your temporary internet files. If you haven't cleaned it out in years, it could have thousands. When you go to a site, pictures are downloaded onto your hard drive. They want to have one more hammer to hold over your head just in case they need it sometime down the road. IRS: Hey Mr Wold, we'd really like you to keep an eye on your neighbor. He's trying to support 6 kids and we don't see how he could be doing that without working under the table on some part ime job. Me: No, are you kidding me? IRS: Well, ok, but I think you better come into our office to explain all these hits on the sex offender website. Are you looking to make friends with these people or what? Come in the front door, don't let the newspaper reporter bother you. ;-( F*ck em Bobw |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Charlie on Jan 23rd, 2006, 12:49am It's much simpler. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/reader.gif Bad writing and bad images have a Constitutional right to be bad. No Lysol allowed. It's the price we pay to be allowed to rant and rave. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by JJA on Jan 23rd, 2006, 8:52am on 01/22/06 at 20:24:45, JenniferD wrote:
I don't know...stuff like this.. Quote:
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by imnotbub on Jan 23rd, 2006, 9:11am If you aren't doing anything wrong, ie. terrorist shit, what do you have to worry about? I figure, let them look at what I look at, let them read my emails. They'll move on really quickly. Be careful what you wish for. Many times through history we have seen governments remove personal freedoms 'for the peoples own good'. We, as a country, have gone to war against these types of governments more than once. Think about it. They get away with taking one liberty, what's next? Random trafic stops with no probable cause to check for contraband? Your papers please. |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by catlind on Jan 23rd, 2006, 12:28pm Now what did I do with that National ID card again?? Oh I remember, I left it with the papers detailing my medical microchip.... :o |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by eyes_afire on Jan 23rd, 2006, 1:14pm They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by DonnaHar on Jan 23rd, 2006, 9:28pm What do you think would happen if the U.S. put restrictions on our use of the internet? We would be excluded from the use that the rest of the world would enjoy. Is that agreeable with you? Would our internet companies, etc. stay in this country? Would our technology development remain the same or would cheap labor in other countries be utilized? If censorship of any kind really takes place, we lose another big industry. Pretty soon we'll run out of things to export. When do we do something to get attention to the fact that we won't be manipulated like this anymore? It seems that there is no way to stop restrictions by the government from eventually happening. It's been coming in small increments for years now. If this invasion of privacy occurs, what next? The internet belongs to the world. Any decisions (like it or not) sould be solved by a world wide entity. Discussion anyone? Maybe a new thread? Man, I'm sick of how they get us to accept little bits and pieces over years of time until we can't believe we let it happen. |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Mr. Happy on Jan 24th, 2006, 7:36am http://www.theworriedshrimp.com//bullypulpit.jpg |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by JJA on Jan 24th, 2006, 10:41am More on government surveillance.... Defending warrantless wiretapping with President Bush in Kansas yesterday, Gen. Michael V. Hayden, had this to say: Quote:
link (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/23/politics/23cnd-wiretap.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1138078800&en=f1a26c18881a59c4&ei=5094&partner=homepage) The 4th Amendment: Quote:
It would be nice to think that Hayden is just that dumb, but I don't think so. I think he is essentially saying that you only need probable cause to search someone if you bother getting a warrant, otherwise you only need to be reasonable in your search (of course the searcher is free to define reasonable since no warrant is required). The constitution never explicitly states that a warrant is needed for searches. (I guess the proximity in the 4th ammendment is coincidental?) Spying on Al-Qaeda is one thing, but if this defense flies it can open the door for warrantless searches on all US citizens. The Bush administration’s argument is essentially “Trust us. We will only use this power to spy on terrorists." Jesse |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Charlie on Jan 24th, 2006, 10:47am I really pity the poor bunch of politicos that censors the internet here. Not bright. http://smiles.ru/coll/smile/destroy.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by Kevin_M on Jan 24th, 2006, 11:15am "reasonal belief" sounds like such BS. It can simply be "heresay". Investigations may start with heresay or a complaint but before a warrant is usually issued there should be some proof brought before a judge. How many people's lives could be turned upside down if reasonable belief is the basis for legal home invasion which produce zero results. |
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Title: Re: The Patriot Act in ACTION.... Post by BarbaraD on Jan 24th, 2006, 2:29pm McCarthy rings a bell....... He was looking for "communists". Now we're looking for terrorists.... funny - it SMELLS the same.... Hugs BD |
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