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(Message started by: Spike_Inmyeye on Oct 24th, 2005, 6:03pm)
Title: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Oct 24th, 2005, 6:03pm
Lets see who jumps up for this one.  I have had CH for 30 years, currently no pain (see posting below).  I have also, recently, been diagnosed as Bipolar II, rapid cycling.  This is not a big problem.  I also have sleep "issues" but I am very good looking so it all balances out.  OK, maybe I just have a sense of humor.  At any rate the recent research on hypothalmus disorder and mood, serotonin, and cluster headache is intriguing to me.  I guess I wish I had an explanation for it all!  Is there anyone else out there who has been diagnosed with BP and/or aware of any connection between the two.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Bob P on Oct 24th, 2005, 6:07pm
I think the shroom doctors are looking at treating bipolar also.  I'll let the fungi fiends elaborate as I don't know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by rextangle on Oct 24th, 2005, 6:13pm
Hello Spike,

Sorry you have to be here, but welcome.
I don't know anybody personally that has CH and also Bipolar. A few of the members here suffer from anxiety and depression. Feel free to ask questions, that's what we're here for.

Best of luck to you,
Rex
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by pattik on Oct 24th, 2005, 6:23pm
Hi Good Looking ;;D  I am not bipolar, but I do have sleep issues...fairly significant ones in my view.  My insomnia, when I'm going through a period with it, is about as regular as my CH when I'm in cycle...I can set a clock by it.  I have speculated for a long time that there is a hypothalamathingy connection to both problems.  Who knows? [smiley=huh.gif]

Patti
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by vig on Oct 24th, 2005, 6:57pm
It's also being examined for OCD or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and probably should be for Depression too.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by vig on Oct 24th, 2005, 7:00pm

on 10/24/05 at 18:07:59, Bob P wrote:
I think the shroom doctors are looking at treating bipolar also.  I'll let my fun guy friends elaborate ....


Psilocybin is also being examined for OCD or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and probably should be for Depression too.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Redd715 on Oct 24th, 2005, 7:10pm
Two personalities posting there... Paul my dear? [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by burnt-toast on Oct 24th, 2005, 7:19pm
Also not Bipolar.  I'm also fairly certain that if CH wasn't ripping into me most nights, I wouldn't have a sleep disorder either.  But things being as they are, I don't sleep well.  I'm either fighting off an attack or  anticipating when the next one will arrive.  Ain't this nightmare grand?  

Tom      
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by thebbz on Oct 24th, 2005, 7:55pm
Not bi-polar but hey I could be. :PLOL I would think if we did a poll you would find a fair amount of depression of all types as well as a high amount of sleep disorders.
But what do I know ;) I have all of the above to some extent and I to believe this has some relation to CH.
[smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by kimmeesue on Oct 25th, 2005, 12:03pm
Guilty as accused.  Not definitively as far as the bi-polar is concerned but it's a possibility.
My doc has treated me for depression and anxiety for years and recently suggested the poss. of bi-polar and sent me to a shrink who didn't think so.  However I agreed to try Depakote for my CH and as it is also used to treat bi-polar who really knows.  It has helped with the frequency of hits which has certainly helped with my "mood". Am still trying to get a handle on the insomnia.  Back on the melatonin til it quits working again.
Too bad "mental illness" has such a stigma attached.  Hell I think we're all crazy as bedbugs.
JMHO
Kim
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Jasmyn on Oct 25th, 2005, 12:18pm
So far so good, only the mentally challenged here with a slight overindulgence in insanity, a plea of uncontrolled depression and a definite insomnia affinity.

But the one thing we all have, that stands like a pole above the water, in our not so sober habits and not so perfect health is our sense... not of direction... but of humour.

So Hi! ;)
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Gena on Oct 25th, 2005, 12:59pm
I have CH - my oldest son, I belive has CH my younger son is Bi-polar If he ever develops CH we might not know because of all the Meds that he is on. Doc says that it is all genetics. The same gene is the cause for both.

Gena
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by BikerBob on Oct 25th, 2005, 4:11pm

on 10/24/05 at 18:07:59, Bob P wrote:
I think the shroom doctors are looking at treating bipolar also.  I'll let the fungi fiends elaborate as I don't know what I'm talking about.


My advice: DO NOT use psychedelics if you have bipolar disorder.

Bipolar disorder, also known as manic-depressive illness, is a brain disorder that causes unusual shifts in a person's mood, energy, and ability to function. Different from the normal ups and downs that everyone goes through, the symptoms of bipolar disorder are severe.

"Mushrooms or LSD may exacerbate symptoms of psychosis and they may trigger psychosis in people who were psychotic in the past".

Please read this WARNING page from clusterbusters.com very carefully:

http://www.clusterbusters.com/warning.htm

There are some experienced psychiatrists doing research on psilocybin in the treatmant of anxiety disorders, OCD and other psychiatric disorders (Franz Vollenweider, Charles Grob, Francisco Moreno).

If you have bipolar disorder, don't use psychedelics unless it is being administered by a psychiatrist in one of their research studies.

BB
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Jonny on Oct 25th, 2005, 8:54pm

on 10/24/05 at 18:03:23, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
Lets see who jumps up for this one.  I have had CH for 30 years, currently no pain (see posting below)


Your clearly an idiot....why are you people posting to this?

LMMFAO ;;D


on 10/25/05 at 16:13:00, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
Last night the police sprayed me with pepper spray and shot me with the taser.  My CH went away.  Has anyone else had this experience?

Worked quicker than the O2.


Hmmmmmmmm  ;)
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by unsolved1 on Oct 25th, 2005, 9:05pm

on 10/25/05 at 20:54:01, Jonny wrote:
Your clearly an idiot....why are you people posting to this?


I agree, what an idiot!! Maybe skitzo or MPD  ;) Probably don't even have clusters !! Maybe meegraines !! LOL
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Mr. Happy on Oct 25th, 2005, 11:16pm

on 10/24/05 at 18:03:23, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
Lets see who jumps up for this one.

Cheesus. Talk about Troll bait.
NOBODY here is qualified to integrate BP and CH. Nobody.

Spike, if your intention was to start poorly, then lose ground.....you're doing fine.

WTF are you up to? Inquiring minds are wasting valuable brain cells.
RJ
Title: Many of the seasonal changes occurring in animals
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Oct 26th, 2005, 1:34am
Have you really lost your sense of humor?  Come on, laugh a little, even if it is at yourself and certainly at the headaches.  Life isn't that serious.  After 30 years I have found that the best revenge to the pain is to laugh.  So, yeah, the taser didn't work real well but when they clubbed me I felt better!  You might want to try it.

If you are interested in the relationship between CH and SAD/Bipolar read the following (Funct Neurol. 1998 Jul-Sep;13(3):263-72):

Many of the seasonal changes occurring in animals appear to be associated with photoperiodic modifications, and particularly with the duration of the phases of exposure to light and dark. The integration of these processes is made possible by the normal functioning of biological oscillators or synchronizers, presumably located at the hypothalamic level. Cluster headache (CH), seasonal affective disorder (SAD) and bipolar mood disorders are conditions bearing numerous analogies, particularly as regards the temporal pattern of disturbances, the nature of predisposing or precipitating factors, the peculiar relationship with sleep, the neuroendocrine findings, and the clinical response to current treatments. The secretion of melatonin, which is influenced by the light/dark cycle, displays a bimodal pattern, which is likely to be dictated by the activity of distinct synchronizers for light and dark. Changes in the secretory pattern of this neurohormone have also been documented in both CH and SAD. The possibility of normalizing the secretory rhythm of melatonin by means of phototherapy in SAD, and the therapeutic use of the hormone to prevent the recurrence of active phases in CH, represent further interesting similarities between these two disorders. Melatonin, acting as a unique neuroendocrine transductor of photic inputs, may therefore be viewed as a marker of dyschronic disease to be used in patients suffering from CH and affective illness, for both diagnostic purposes and to assess the response to pharmacological and non pharmacological treatments.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by ghost62 on Oct 26th, 2005, 2:55am
not bipolar but MPD and as all others sleep issues, also OCD, and ADD.  Ok as everyone here knows I am scewered up. Also Manic Depressant, which helped when I was active duty, no fear was a whole new level for me back then. I was told by phyc in Navy that all my conditions seem to be related, of course then didnt know what HA's was just that they where bad. They went through scrapped sinisus(sp), pulled teef, Injected, inspected, and infected me all the time. They did at least try to help. But to be honest I cant really say for sure if they are related. well good luck on your quest.


Mike
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Beastfodder on Oct 31st, 2005, 7:38am
Bi-polar is the BIGGEST problem area identified by the neurologists etc who are looking into Psilocybin and CH.

If you are Bipolar - mushrooms can make the condition a lot worse.

So CH drives you mad and the cure could make you even madder.  Tea Party and March hares anyone?
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Melissa on Nov 1st, 2005, 7:23am
Well, episodic CH'er here with depression, anxiety/panic disorder and a huge addiction to chocolate at the moment. :-/  Anyway, I believe since the hippopotamus is responsible for seritonin, regulation of mood, and is also a stem of our CH's, that it's all relative man. ;)  

I would also have to say, that curing one, doesn't mean it'll cure the other.  Besides, I'll never be "cured" of my depression or anxiety/panic anyway.  It may disappear for awhile, years even, but it can always come back...  Just like my clusters.  

As for Bipolar, well, my mom had it, but had migraines, not clusters.  Finding a common cause is like me winning the lottery. :-/
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by MJ on Nov 1st, 2005, 10:46am

Sure, Go ahead and blame the "Hippopotamus"

but leave the chocolate out of it
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 2nd, 2005, 4:29am
I think she was referring to the hypotenuse.  I have suffered from this condition for quite some time.  It causes me to wake up at night thinking of triangles and large animals that live in rivers.  Of note is that the Hippo is not found in the Antartic or the Artic so, obviously, it is not bipolar.  As far as the CH is concerned there has got to be a connection.  Too many similarities.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Jasmyn on Nov 2nd, 2005, 1:32pm

on 11/02/05 at 04:29:16, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
 As far as the CH is concerned there has got to be a connection.  Too many similarities.


Well if you insist. ::)

We just didn't want to tell you because you are new here but we all do have some bi-polar displacement.

Everyone on my side of the equator live near the South Pole (no Santa) and all that live on the other side live near the North Pole (where Santa lives)

I hope this explains the connection.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by kimmeesue on Nov 2nd, 2005, 2:37pm
Well I see that while I was out of town for a few days nobody lost their sense of humor.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 2nd, 2005, 4:36pm
I think I am getting it.  So, Santa up here, no Santa down there.  Penguins down there, no penguins up here.  Polar bears up here, no polar bears down there. Is that the bipolar difference?  So we celebrate "noel" then you must celebrate "leon."  I always have my headaches on the left but down there they would be on my right.  If I take my lithium orally up here then . . . nevermind!

I think the hypothalmus research is a big deal.  I remember 30 years ago when CH was caused by "stress" and/or was of hysterical origin.  It really wasn't taken seriously and there was no research.  Now that a specific organic characteristic has been identified it has caught the attention of the academics and, hopefullly, the pharmacutical companies.  Also it give me a reference point, much the same as a torn tendon explains why my knee hurts.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by rextangle on Nov 2nd, 2005, 6:03pm
I have a feeling nobody takes you seriously here.
2 of your posts have "BOGUS" written all over it.
The mace and taser gun thing and this thread which you started with "Lets see who jumps up for this one".

WTF is your goal exactly?

Just wondering.

Rex

Edited to add:



This might be the board you're looking for.

http://www.psychforums.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=123&sid=f93b6c9135bb4c62400b7af107eb3b99
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 2nd, 2005, 8:56pm
Rex, Rex, Rex, are you having a CH day?  Do you really think I got hit with the taser?  As I said in another post it wasn't the taser, it was when the police clubbed me that my CH went away.  So, relax.  Learn to laugh at yourself cause everyone else is.  Life isn't that serious.

However, the hypothalmus/CH/Bipolar connection is worth discussion and investigation.  A promising area for future research and relief.  What are your thoughts?

P.S:  In regard to your comment that "2 of your posts have "BOGUS" written all over it" I don't think that is accurate and it is certainly unfair.  I think the number is much higher.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by rextangle on Nov 2nd, 2005, 9:16pm
Spike,

Usually when people get here, they kind of introduce themselves, talk about CH (that's a new concept) and tell what has worked for them, not work, etc....

If you really think that I don't laugh at myself, you're obviously new here. Ask around!



Quote:
However, the hypothalmus/CH/Bipolar connection is worth discussion and investigation


That I do take seriously, however I can't help you in that department. It is not my case.

And if you want to make a funny post (i.e. police brutality) please do it in the General Posts area.

That's all, back to you for the Hollywood minute.

Rex
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by dannyboy on Nov 3rd, 2005, 2:43am
The follwong was published recently in Cephalagia the official mouthpiece of the International Headache Society of which Professor Goadsby is a life time member. Vol 22 1st Edition 2005, Feb

"The study conducted across a sample of 247 male and female subjects between the ages of 15 and 65 revealed that all clusterheads are fuggen pibolar, including and especially Rex"
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by LeLimey on Nov 3rd, 2005, 3:42am

on 11/03/05 at 02:43:17, dannyboy wrote:
The follwong was published recently in Cephalagia the official mouthpiece of the International Headache Society of which Professor Goadsby is a life time member. Vol 22 1st Edition 2005, Feb

"The study conducted across a sample of 247 male and female subjects between the ages of 15 and 65 revealed that all clusterheads are fuggen pibolar, including and especially Rex"



At last - a post that makes sense. ;)

As for Spike, don't feed the trolls folks! I think he is a pretty inept one so not worth an all out flaming but he's a troll none the less.. don't worry, he should be back in his remedial class soon and not able to bother us
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by dannyboy on Nov 3rd, 2005, 4:37am
Oh, I didn't realise he was selling something

Maybe we can join forces and get DJ to start a Snake Oil Sales Babes Board right here at CH.com

What's he selling?

What are you selling spike?

I've written the definative guide on Sales In Clusterville and will part with it for a pitance and small comission. Don't be put off, I've made fortunes here!
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by LeLimey on Nov 3rd, 2005, 6:25am
You don't have to be selling to be a troll here anymore Danny.. you just have to look at the likes of chtom/john/hdido/pcmcck/johndskorohod etc etc etc  to see that.

At least the trading trolls only want money  ::)

Pssst... can I sell you a bridge?!
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 3rd, 2005, 5:04pm
Stigmata, Stigmata.  A wog from out of the country calls me a troll!  If I didn't see your flag I would think you are French.

Go back to my first posting on this thread and give me a straight answer to my question.  What would you say if I told you that the same therapy used to sizzle cancer cells in the brain is being considered for use on the hypothalmus to aleviate CH?  May also affect Bipolar and circadian issues.  Think about that.  Discuss that.  Or call me a troll!

Duh.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by rextangle on Nov 3rd, 2005, 5:30pm
No Spike, I'm the one who's French here... and FUCK YOU! [smiley=finger.gif]

Helen's right, you are a troll!

You're not here to discuss anything serious but looking to start some shit.
Nobody here is qualified to answer your question!

I'm done with you and your a$$hole behavior.
Go get help.

Rex
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Ueli on Nov 3rd, 2005, 8:59pm
Well, it looks like the wires from CHTom deep brain stimulation misfired and beamed him from Alaska to Azerbaijan and mutated his name to Spike_Inmyeye. The town he comes from is unknown to Google, but then he misspelled it, it should be Spikesadik.

Fuck off, troll!
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by dannyboy on Nov 4th, 2005, 2:14am
Aaaaah... that warm fuzzy feeling when you know you're back at CH.com!

Spike 'ol boy, you always know you're doing something right when Ueli tells you to fugg off. Well done, you even got it in the BIG LETTERS! How's the anger management Ueli? Perhaps you're bipolar?

So let me get this straight... in order to be a troll you have to suggest something that some don't agree with or know anything about.....? You don't even have state it as a fact, just suggest it as a possibility and ask for input.......? You'd think that those that knew nothing about the subject would STFU and move onto another post. Like me, or Rex, for example!

Rex, interstingly similar threads happened four or five years ago regarding a suggested link between CH and TN in some sufferers. There were similar posts by the usual suspects. Fugg off here and Fugg off there etc. When all was said and done about a year and half later however... well, if you don't know the outcome then you're not paying attention in which case you're the one causing the Sh1T. So Fugg off.

Doc Tom from Munich is great at translating the Latin into English and he's genrally abreast of things. Hey, Doc Tom from Munich... Are you out there Doc? Perhaps you could shed a bit of light.

Where's Ted? That Irish Jew likes to blast a few fugg off's himself. How's the bald patch Ted? Oh, and don't forget to fugg off.

I love this place!!
Title: http://www.mhni.com/clusterheadaches.htmlhttp://ww
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 4th, 2005, 3:35am
For those of you who don't quite get the seriousness of my post, and there maybe a few of you, the research into the hypothalmus/CH/bipolar connection is quite interesting and actually promises relief for CH.  Here is a website that comments on the new research and potential therapies:  www.mhni.com/clusterheadaches.html.

For those of you who don't understand the polysyllabic words in the articles, and there are a few of you who have posted on this thread who won't be able to read the words without moving their lips, I recommend the taser, pepper spray, and clubbing therapy I discussed earlier!
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by E-Double on Nov 4th, 2005, 8:16am
*CH is thought to develop in the hypothalmus .

*Serotonin effects mood

*A link?

*Possibly.

*Troll remarks.......due to the tazer and clubbing remarks.

*Make intelligent comments or show somehow that you are being a wise guy then one is appreciated by those in pain.

*Appear to be taking one for a ride then you get the FU.

*Period.

Be well,

E
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Ueli on Nov 4th, 2005, 9:29am
Very displeased to see you back, Dannyboy. Does your daddy's business run so well that he doesn't need a marketing director any longer or did you suck so much at this job that you got fired?

If you have too much time on your hands, why not using it to learn something new? By example, read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

and you'll learn that a troll is an idiot, like yourself, who haunts message boards with the sole intent to stir up shit, and to get an excitement like a little boy who rings the neighbors doorbell and runs away.

E-Double, not all trolls a dimwits like Dannyboy. Some gather bits and pieces while trolling and then put them together to a concoction that makes some sense at first glance. Why, Spike_Inmyeye's alter ego, CHTom even underwent DBS surgery, although he didn't report in more than 2 sentences.

Spikes story about his encounter with the police is an exact copy from the resume of the sinusbusters boss.

Spike, if you can show us exactly where your hometown Rexadik is located in Azerbaijan, so we can find it on Google Earth, I will retract my troll comment. But I bet my CH against your tazer, you wouldn't be able to point to Azerbaijan on a globe.

Case closed                  [smiley=smokin.gif]
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by rextangle on Nov 4th, 2005, 2:31pm
Ueli, there's no such town "REXADIK"... it's another shot at me. Not very clever, but to be expected from a Troll.

But somehow, he insists about being "serious".
Switched flag overnight. Only 14 posts under his NEW identity.

Ok, go on Spike, this is really fascinating!

Hugs, vibes, prayers and shit!!!LMAO ;;D [smiley=hug.gif]

Take care of yourself,

Rex-a-dick

Edited to add:
This may be the forum you were looking for:

http://www.psychforums.com/forums/index.php
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Redd715 on Nov 4th, 2005, 8:56pm
There was a troll bashing and no one called me in with my pointy stick and strap on?  For shame....

;;D
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by dannyboy on Nov 7th, 2005, 4:21am
Well actually you're right Ueli. Very intuitive...  anyway, I now have lots of time to to dig my fingers into the ribs of obnoxious ignorant punks like yourself.

As you well know I've always been eager to assist those who have a karmic need for emotional explosion. So go on, let it all hang out! I'm sure I must have spelled at least three things wrong.... No charge this time! Go Mad!!

I love being unemployed, it's so much more fun!

And behave yourself before I smack your bum again!

Big Hug

Danny
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by mynm156 on Nov 8th, 2005, 3:12pm
AHHH  So it was the fact that I was married to a Bi-polar chick for ten years that caused all this??
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 9th, 2005, 4:20pm
Well so much for the adult discussion regarding the relationship between CH/hypothalmus/BP.  I am glad we got that all figured out.  
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by LeLimey on Nov 9th, 2005, 4:45pm
*Yawn*
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Rebel_Python on Nov 10th, 2005, 1:02pm
I'll take this topic seriously becouse I've been diagnosed as bi polar. Caused me problems for years if you get the beast knocking on one of your "Lows" it's kinda like stepping into the ring with Mike Tyson. I have always attributed the bi polar I suffer from as the second generation effects of the Agent Orange that my Dad was exposed to in the Vietnam War.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by LeLimey on Nov 10th, 2005, 1:30pm
Hi Python, just so you know - it wasn't the topic that wasn't being taken seriously, only the poster  ::)
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 17th, 2005, 8:33pm
Python:

BP and CH have been linked to gether before and some of us recognize the science behind this nexus.  Others will never figure it out.  Ever notice a connection between the seasonality of the disorders?  Why is lithium the drug of choice for both BP and CH?  Misery loves company and I understand where you are at.    Try a "sun lamp" it helps with the C rythm.  Also I have found that Lamictal (an anti-seizure med) helps with CH and BP.  
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Ueli on Nov 17th, 2005, 11:39pm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/Ueli/TrollAlert.gif


Now, if that is not a sure fire evidence of a troll!  Even more, this fucker Spike_Inmyeye is an outright criminal. The misinformation he spreads are designed to intentionally hurt other people!!!


on 11/17/05 at 20:33:55, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
Why is lithium the drug of choice for both BP and CH?

While lithium has its uses for hard case cluster headaches, it is certainly not the "drug of choice", because of its potentially severe side effects. The notion that lithium has any significant influence on blood pressure is just an imagination of the thug Spike_Inmyeye.



on 11/17/05 at 20:33:55, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
Also I have found that Lamictal (an anti-seizure med) helps with CH and BP.

Again, while Lamictal (Lamotrigine) may be useful against CH, there is not the slightest hint in the literature that is also helps BP problems.


But if you suffer from too low blood pressure, read some of the shit this moronic troll Spike_Inmyeye. Your BP will rocket through the roof.



Warnig to Newbies:
Do not believe anything Spike_Inmyeye writes. He has picked up some bits and pieces about CH, but what he makes out of it is designed to harm the unwary. He is a reincarnation of Hyde, with only very brief moments of Jekyll.


BTW, did you notice, the troll has been kicked out of Azerbaijan, for the horrid rubbish he barfs, across the border to Iran, where he tries to stir up shit for some time.


Ueli                  [smiley=smokin.gif]
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Redd715 on Nov 18th, 2005, 12:19am
Have sharp stick ....

Will travel.....

We may be talking about a very thin thread of cause and effect here, but to say that there is a definate connection between CH and bi-Polar?  Get your head outta your ass....

For clarification, a true DX of bi polar disorder can only be made if not in connection with an underlying medical condition...read the DSM V.  If there is a revised version I'm not aware of one.

Don't try to pull the wool over over "these" educated eyes.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Mr. Happy on Nov 18th, 2005, 12:37am

on 11/17/05 at 20:33:55, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
BP and CH have been linked to gether before and some of us recognize the science behind this nexus.  Others will never figure it out.

Pardon the Batshit outta me for not being smart enough to join the elite cadre. Didn't know science came up with a definitive test for BP or CH. My bad, or should I say Stoopid.


on 11/17/05 at 20:33:55, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
Ever notice a connection between the seasonality of the disorders?

Nope. Not once. I don't have BP disorder, but I sure have to keep an eye out for it.....a full time job.


on 11/17/05 at 20:33:55, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
Why is lithium the drug of choice for both BP and CH?

False. It's an option drug along the road to proper treatment. In some cases.


on 11/17/05 at 20:33:55, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
Also I have found that Lamictal (an anti-seizure med) helps with CH and BP.  

A cross use drug at best. Sometimes. Not exactly a first choice.

Give `em hell, Ueli.
RJ
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 18th, 2005, 12:48am
 

Spike, can you tell us what Hyp/CH/Bipolar connection is and what has been determined to look promising and a link to it?

Quote:
However, the hypothalmus/CH/Bipolar connection is worth discussion and investigation.  A promising area for future research and relief
.

Can you provide a link to this, showing its application for CH and its relationship to Bipolar?

Quote:
What would you say if I told you that the same therapy used to sizzle cancer cells in the brain is being considered for use on the hypothalmus to aleviate CH?  May also affect Bipolar and circadian issues.



Can you show us where the research in this link mentions bipolar for the Hyp/CH/bipolar connection?  There isn't any mention of it in this link.

Quote:
the research into the hypothalmus/CH/bipolar connection is quite interesting and actually promises relief for CH.  Here is a website that comments on the new research and potential therapies:  www.mhni.com/clusterheadaches.html.


Can you provide a link to the experiments that connect them?

Quote:
BP and CH have been linked to gether before and some of us recognize the science behind this nexus.



I notice this article you posted in this thread makes a distinction between SAD (seasonal affective disorder) and bipolar mood disorders but the article concludes an interesting similarity between CH and SAD only, not bipolar.

Quote:
If you are interested in the relationship between CH and SAD/Bipolar read the following (Funct Neurol. 1998 Jul-Sep;13(3):263-72):

Cluster headache (CH), seasonal affective disorder (SAD) and bipolar mood disorders...

Changes in the secretory pattern of this neurohormone have also been documented in both CH and SAD.  The possibility of normalizing the secretory rhythm of melatonin by means of phototherapy in SAD, and the therapeutic use of the hormone to prevent the recurrence of active phases in CH, represent further interesting similarities between these two disorders.


NMHA never mentions bipolar once when describing SAD and your article above concludes by mentioning "further interesting similarities between" CH and SAD only, not bipolar.  
http://www.nmha.org/infoctr/factsheets/27.cfm

Spike, had you not been so selective with your deception in what you presented to us, this article below was also where you got your's, which made no connection between CH and bipolar either.


Quote:
1989 Jan-Feb;16(1):33-6. Related Articles, Links  

Prevalence of migraine and muscle tension headache in depressive disorders.

Marchesi C, De Ferri A, Petrolini N, Govi A, Manzoni GC, Coiro V, De Risio C.

Institute of Psychiatry, University of Parma, Italy.

This study was undertaken in order to evaluate the prevalence of headache and its subtypes (migraine, muscle tension headache, cluster and psychogenic headache) in a population of 160 depressed patients. Headache was present in 83 subjects (51.9%); 36 (22.5%) were affected by migraine, 39 (24.4%) by muscle tension headache, six (3.7%) by psychogenic headache and two (1.2%) by cluster headache. No significant differences in the prevalence of migraine and muscle tension headache were observed among patients with major depression, bipolar depressive disorder and dysthymic disorder. These data speak against a specific correlation among subtypes of headache and depressive disorders.

PMID: 2521648 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Not one of the 4 articles on that site made any kind of a connection between clusters and bipolar.  

You have BS'd your entire shpeel about a cluster/bipolar connection with what you've said and presented.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 20th, 2005, 3:52am
I am taking some serious flack about this stuff.  Lets go one step at a time:

1)  Ueli BP is bipolar, not blood pressure.  Try reading all the words.

2)  There is no DSM V.  There is only DSM IV (text revised).  They aren’t going to start working on the DSM V until, at the earliest, next year and it won't be published for quite some time.  When they refer to an underlying medical condition as an explanation it means is there a medical condition which, in and of itself , explains the symptamatology.

3) You want to know if there is a relationship between BP and Cluster Headache.  I have already given you some citations, here are a few more:

Go to Dr. Robbins website:

http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/archive.html

and under archives read:  

The Bipolar Spectrum in Cluster Headache Patients?(See Source References) ?Posted: December 2003   ?Breslau N, Merikangas K, Bowden CL:?Comorbidity of Migraine and Major Affective Disorders.?Neurology S  1994; 44:S17-22.?Robbins L, Ludmer C: The Bipolar Spectrum in?Migraine Patients. The American Journal of Pain?Management 2000, Vol. 10, No. 4, pp. 167-170.

4)  Why is the “link”  between CH/BP and the hypothalamus important?  Well as we learn more about what the hypothalamus controls, and how it helps stimulate the adrenals, thyroid, pituitary, we get a better understanding of the relationship between these organs/glands and hunger, mood, circadian rhythm, sleep, etc.  Is it just a coincidence that CH sufferers have abnormal hypothalamuses?  Ask Professor Goadsby.  His research clearly documents that such a finding exists.  Are your CH cyclical?  My headaches customarily occur in Fall and Spring.  Why do they occur mostly at night?  Circadian rhythm?

So, if we can tweak the hypothalamus chemically (which we already do) or with radiation (as some have suggested) what effect would this have on hypothalamic function.  Forget CH for a moment and consider the other possibilities.

Goadsby calls the relationship between the headache activity, or functional abnormality of the brain, and the structural abnormalities observed in the hypothalamus “striking.”

“The hypothalamus is the part of the brain associated with circadian rhythms -- the 24 hour rhythm of the human body,” Goadsby points out. “Our results demonstrate for the first time the precise location in the brain involved in cluster headaches and helps to explain why this condition shows such striking seasonal variation and clock-like regularity. The findings have profound implications for understanding how the brain is affected in primary headaches.”

5)  Kevin:  I am not sure what you are reading, but the relationship between CH/SAD/BP is clearly discussed.   See:

: Funct Neurol. 1998 Jul-Sep;13(3):263-72.
Related Articles, Links

Cluster headache and periodic affective illness: common chronobiological features.

Costa A, Leston JA, Cavallini A, Nappi G.

University Centre for Adaptive Disorders and Headache (UCADH), Section of Pavia I, Italy.

Many of the seasonal changes occurring in animals appear to be associated with photoperiodic modifications, and particularly with the duration of the phases of exposure to light and dark. The integration of these processes is made possible by the normal functioning of biological oscillators or synchronizers, presumably located at the hypothalamic level. Cluster headache (CH), seasonal affective disorder (SAD) and bipolar mood disorders are conditions bearing numerous analogies, particularly as regards the temporal pattern of disturbances, the nature of predisposing or precipitating factors, the peculiar relationship with sleep, the neuroendocrine findings, and the clinical response to current treatments. The secretion of melatonin, which is influenced by the light/dark cycle, displays a bimodal pattern, which is likely to be dictated by the activity of distinct synchronizers for light and dark. Changes in the secretory pattern of this neurohormone have also been documented in both CH and SAD.

So, those of you who find this interesting, great.  Just trying to explain and discuss bipolar and CH.  

I am now going to change my flag and move to Switzerland so I can be near Ueli
Title: Re: http://www.mhni.com/clusterheadaches.htmlhttp:
Post by Jonny on Nov 20th, 2005, 5:04am

on 11/04/05 at 03:35:30, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
and there are a few of you who have posted on this thread who won't be able to read the words without moving their lips, I recommend the taser, pepper spray, and clubbing therapy I discussed earlier!


Enough said!
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by chewy on Nov 20th, 2005, 12:16pm
I wish I WERE bipolar and have CH.

Then at least part of the time I could be maniacally happy about CH and look forward to my next hit with unrestrained glee.

To date. None of that has happened.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Melissa on Nov 20th, 2005, 6:01pm

on 11/20/05 at 12:16:50, chewy wrote:
I wish I WERE bipolar and have CH.

Then at least part of the time I could be maniacally happy about CH and look forward to my next hit with unrestrained glee.

To date. None of that has happened.

WTF????  I could say something as to how you don't understand manic depression, but I'll refrain from lecturing...  :-X
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by chewy on Nov 20th, 2005, 7:52pm

Quote:
I could say something as to how you don't understand manic depression


You could. But your already  wrong.  My degree is in psychology.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Melissa on Nov 20th, 2005, 9:05pm

on 11/20/05 at 19:52:21, chewy wrote:
You could. But your already  wrong.  My degree is in psychology.

As you are also wrong.  As I have had 27 years experience in living with someone who was bipolar.  Which is why I cannot for the life of me, understand why you would want to be bipolar along with your ch's??   A degree in psychology does not make one qualified for expertise on the subject, nor does it me for living with someone who has had it.  Unless you've walked in their shoes, how can you really understand?
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by chewy on Nov 20th, 2005, 9:21pm
Sorry about your situation.


Quote:
Which is why I cannot for the life of me, understand why you would want to be bipolar along with your ch's??


Dont take everything you read so seriously.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Melissa on Nov 20th, 2005, 9:24pm

on 11/20/05 at 21:21:03, chewy wrote:
Sorry about your situation.

Don't be.  It ended four years ago when my mom died of breast cancer.


Quote:
Dont take everything you read so seriously.

I don't, only the particular things that strike a chord with me.

I don't have anything against you, I just felt the need to state my feelings about the subject.

Take care,
mel
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 20th, 2005, 11:57pm
Spike, your attempts to make a case here have been hard to take serious.  Previously you backed up your claim with this link, which doesn't even mention bipolar:
www.mhni.com/clusterheadaches.html

Then you give us an article which only says there are "interesting similarities" clusters and SAD, not bipolar.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9800155&dopt=Abstract
Today you give us this same article again, which notes "interesting similarities" between CH and SAD, not bipolar.

Now you give us this:
http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives2/bipolar.html
Title:      The Bipolar Spectrum in Cluster Headache Patients
Author:     (See Source References)
Date:     Posted: December 2003  
Source:     Breslau N, Merikangas K, Bowden CL:
Comorbidity of Migraine and Major Affective Disorders.
Neurology S  1994; 44:S17-22.
Robbins L, Ludmer C: The Bipolar Spectrum in
Migraine Patients. The American Journal of Pain
Management 2000, Vol. 10, No. 4, pp. 167-170

Incidently, both source references do not even mention the word cluster in either article:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7969941&dopt=Abstract
http://www.ajpmonline.com/search/default.asp?RF=2&page=1&by=Title&type=4&query=the+bipolar+spectrum+in+migraine+patients&ArticleNumber=256&Single=False&NoCache=38676.9671759259

But however, these were the results from todays article you gave us: "The Bipolar Spectrum in Cluster Headache Patients"

Results:   Of the 275 cluster patients, 134 had episodic cluster, and 141 were chronic cluster sufferers. EPISODIC CLUSTER: 8 patients (6%) fit the bipolar spectrum. 1 patient was bipolar I, 4 were bipolar II , 2 were cyclothymic, while 1 was bipolar NOS. CHRONIC CLUSTER: 10 patients (7%) were bipolar. 2 were bipolar I, 2 bipolar II, 4 cyclothymic, while 2 were bipolar NOS. COMBINED: 18/275 patients (6.5%) were bipolar. 1.1% were bipolar I, 2.2% bipolar II, 2.2% cyclothymic, and 1.1% bipolar NOS

Results: cluster sufferers 1.1% bipolar I (classic) and 6.5% fit the bipolar spectrum.  

But how does this differ from the population in general?
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/numbers.cfm
Bipolar disorder affects approximately 2.3 million American adults,5 or about 1.2 percent of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year.1
(cluster sufferers are on par with the population in general for classic bipolar disorder.)
----------
see # 22
http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.soft.bipolar.html
22: J Affect Disord. 2003 Jan;73(1-2):123-31.

The prevalence and disability of bipolar spectrum disorders in the US
population: re-analysis of the ECA database taking into account subthreshold
cases.

Judd LL, Akiskal HS.

Department of Psychiatry, University of California, San Diego (UCSD), 9500
Gilman Drive, La Jolla, CA 92093-0603, USA. ljudd@ucsd.edu

CONCLUSION: These secondary analyses of the US National ECA database provide convincing evidence for the high prevalence of a spectrum of bipolarity in the community at 6.4%, and indicate that subthreshold cases are at least five times more prevalent than DSM-based core syndromal diagnoses at about 1%.

(cluster sufferers are the same as the population in general for the spectrum of bipolarity too.)

Spike, you have so far proven nothing to show any connection yet between clusters and bipolarity, in 27 days and 3 pages.
Title: Cluster headache (CH), seasonal affective disorder
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 21st, 2005, 3:14am
I appreciate your well thought response.

The incidence of Bipolar in the USA is 1-2% according to NIMH and various authors.  Yes, you can search for higher percentages, or different definitions of bipolar.  But I will go with what the NIMH says.  If 6.5% of CH people are BP and 2% of the general population is BP then there is a statistically higher incidence of BP in CH.

Here is a good web page on BP that advocates the 1% theory.  http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000915/1343.html.  I am not advocating that all CH people are bipolar, in fact it is a small percentage, but it is something that should be noticed.  

The functional neurology article specifically discusses the "numerous analogies" between BP/CH/SAD.  Read it.  It is in the first paragraph of the pubmed summary.

You mention two important articles, both written by Dr. Robbins.  One has to do with CH and the other with Migraine.  In both articles he comments on the increased incidence of BP in both CH and Migrane headaches.  Obviously the one on Migraines doesn't discuss, directly, CH.  That is why I referenced the CH study.  The importance is that Robbins describes a statistically significant occurance of BP in both CH and Migraine.

My intent was to discuss the hypothalmus and its relationship to BP and CH.  I think we have done that with some rather interesting banter.  Some people are full of shit and if you think I am one of them then you have been talking to my spouse.  If the  hypothalmus-BP connection doesn't apply to you then go back to bowling, if it does then you have read some educated writing on both sides of the issue and you are smarter for it.

My next topic will be the relationship between bird flu and CH.

No doubt someone will once again cry fowl . . .

Title: Re: Cluster headache (CH), seasonal affective diso
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 21st, 2005, 8:07am

on 11/21/05 at 03:14:51, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
The incidence of Bipolar in the USA is 1-2% according to NIMH and various authors.  Yes, you can search for higher percentages, or different definitions of bipolar.  But I will go with what the NIMH says.  If 6.5% of CH people are BP and 2% of the general population is BP then there is a statistically higher incidence of BP in CH.

Once again, you are not adequately reading what you post here.  The spectrum of bipolar in CH is 6.5%.  The spectrum of bipolar in the population in general is 6.4%.
The occurrence of bipolarity (bipolar I) in CH is 1.1%, which also matches the population in general, about 1%.  


Quote:
Here is a good web page on BP that advocates the 1% theory.  http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000915/1343.html.  I am not advocating that all CH people are bipolar, in fact it is a small percentage, but it is something that should be noticed.

The 1% has already been well stated for population in general for bipolar, as has the 1.1% in CH, which you presented to us yesterday.
 No, you have not said all CH people are bipolar, you have said that CH and bipolarity are connected, for 28 days and 3 pages without a shred of evidence.  Maybe you have something to say, but it is apparently not here.  Perhaps one of the migraine boards would suit your information about bipolarity.  


Quote:
The functional neurology article specifically discusses the "numerous analogies" between BP/CH/SAD.  Read it.  It is in the first paragraph of the pubmed summary.

But you have said that CH and bipolar are connected.  There are numerous analogies between a dog and a cat, but they are not related.  Your article you've posted twice only indicates, in it's "bottom line", that there are "interesting similarities" between CH and SAD, not bipolar, which is only mentioned, no similarities are stated.  Here is your original posting:

Quote:
Changes in the secretory pattern of this neurohormone have also been documented in both CH and SAD. The possibility of normalizing the secretory rhythm of melatonin by means of phototherapy in SAD, and the therapeutic use of the hormone to prevent the recurrence of active phases in CH, represent further interesting similarities between these two disorders



Quote:
You mention two important articles, both written by Dr. Robbins.  One has to do with CH and the other with Migraine.  In both articles he comments on the increased incidence of BP in both CH and Migrane headaches.  Obviously the one on Migraines doesn't discuss, directly, CH.  That is why I referenced the CH study.  The importance is that Robbins describes a statistically significant occurance of BP in both CH and Migraine.

Can you show us this article and link, the "reference sources" for your last article never mentioned CH once.


Quote:
My intent was to discuss the hypothalmus and its relationship to BP and CH.  I think we have done that with some rather interesting banter.  Some people are full of shit and if you think I am one of them then you have been talking to my spouse.  If the  hypothalmus-BP connection doesn't apply to you then go back to bowling, if it does then you have read some educated writing on both sides of the issue and you are smarter for it.

Yes, you brought Prof. Goalsby into the conversation.  If he is pursuing the "connection" of CH to bipolarity, please post that link to his article as well or leave his name out of this.

I don't know about you being full of shit or not but you've attempted to cover your @ss for 4 weeks and as of yet, you've showed a lot.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 21st, 2005, 5:15pm
It is possible, I know it is unlikely, but it is possible that Dr. Dick Swaab, who is a visiting professor at Stanford Medical School, may know a little bit more about this subject than you or me.  I reference a chapter from the book that he wrote and I have also provided you with a link to his CV.

Handbook of Clinical Neurology, 3rd Series, Vol II, chpt 80. (2004)

D.F. Swaab (http://www.nih.knaw.nl/Informa/Staff/Swaab-CV.pdf)

Human Hypothalamus Basic and Clinical Aspects:  

31.3(a) – Cluster Headache:

“. . . There are, moreover, various other analogies between cluster headache, seasonal affective disorder, and bipolar mood disorders, in addition to common seasonal patterns, i.e. the nature of predisposing or precipitating factors, the peculiar relationship with sleep, such as the temporal connection between attacks and REM sleep, the neuroendocrine findings, and clinical response to current treatments such as lithium . . . “

Kevin:  You don’t have to concede that I am correct nor do I expect you to. I think the exchange of ideas is important.    But, instead of shooting the messenger recognize that the message is important to all of us.

By the way, if you want to keep insisting that there is no connection between bipolar and cluster headaches you might want to send an email to Dr. Swaab so he doesn’t continue to waste his time on bogus research and so he can correct the apparent mistake he made in his textbook so all those neurology students don’t get the wrong idea.  Send it to Dr. Goadsby as well since they are contemporaries and their work is cited by most cluster headache researchers.

Kevin:  its bird flu baby, bird flu.  Bird flu causes CH.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by chewy on Nov 21st, 2005, 8:11pm

Quote:
so all those neurology students don’t get the wrong idea.


Neurologists get the wrong idea? I'm shocked.

Wouldn't want that to happen.

Seeing how 98% of the last 8 million graduating classes of neurologists have already been well schooled in how to misdiagnose and mistreat cluster headaches.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 21st, 2005, 8:51pm

on 11/21/05 at 17:15:33, Spike_Inmyeye wrote:
Human Hypothalamus Basic and Clinical Aspects:  

“. . . There are, moreover, various other analogies between cluster headache, seasonal affective disorder, and bipolar mood disorders, in addition to common seasonal patterns, i.e. the nature of predisposing or precipitating factors, the peculiar relationship with sleep, such as the temporal connection between attacks and REM sleep, the neuroendocrine findings, and clinical response to current treatments such as lithium . . . “

There is apparently now no absence of evidence to the fact you don't understand the difference between an analogy and a similarity.  An analogy is a "partial similarity", meaning an incomplete and possibly biased similarity.  
 In your first article posted it said:

Quote:
Cluster headache (CH), seasonal affective disorder (SAD) and bipolar mood disorders are conditions bearing numerous analogies,

In your present article quote, above, it says, as I have put in bold letters "various other analogies".

You have take this to mean there is a connection, when that is not stated, and in fact any similarities that have been found, in both articles, are incomplete and possibly biased similarities.  Similarities were only mentioned between CH and SAD.

Now upon this you stand and say:

Quote:
Posted by: Spike_Inmyeye Posted on: Nov 2nd, 2005, 5:29am
As far as the CH is concerned there has got to be a connection.  Too many similarities
.
This was a falsehood, in four weeks you have not established that there is even one similarity.  Today, with four weeks of opportunity, the best you can still come up with is "various other analogies".  And upon that bit of misinformation you gave us, you self-proclaimed a "connection".

Quote:
Posted by: Spike_Inmyeye Posted on: Nov 2nd, 2005, 9:56pm
the hypothalmus/CH/Bipolar connection is worth discussion and investigation

Posted by: Spike_Inmyeye Posted on: Nov 17th, 2005, 9:33pm
BP and CH have been linked

There was a lot of deception here because you didn't say your "connection" or "link" was only an analogy.  See, I tend to believe that you should have a leg to stand on before you put your foot down.  You have not established anything, anywhere other than an analogy about what you are talking about.  



Quote:
Kevin:  You don’t have to concede that I am correct nor do I expect you to. I think the exchange of ideas is important.    But, instead of shooting the messenger recognize that the message is important to all of us.

How can I concede that you are correct when you have not established anything but an analogy.  And yes, any messenger that attempted the deception you have brought here, I would condemn.  It is a message of your own delusion you wish to hold.


Quote:
By the way, if you want to keep insisting that there is no connection between bipolar and cluster headaches

You have not established one yet in 4 weeks.  You've proven the occurance of bipolar in cluster sufferers is the same as the population in general.

In all that you have said, I believe it is time you print out these words you wrote, grab a condiment and chew hardily before swallowing.  This seems to apply to you more than anyone else.

Quote:
For those of you who don't understand the polysyllabic words in the articles, and there are a few of you who have posted on this thread who won't be able to read the words without moving their lips,


To answer your question if I am aware of any connection between cluster headaches and bipolar.

No.  You have not made me aware of any.  
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 21st, 2005, 9:02pm
You didn't comment on the bird flu connection . . .  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by BobG on Nov 21st, 2005, 9:22pm
I wish the bird flu would kill this fuckin' thread.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Spike_Inmyeye on Nov 22nd, 2005, 12:16am

Now that is very funny!!!!

As said in "Pulp Fiction."  "Thread is dead baby, thread is dead."
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by thomas on Nov 22nd, 2005, 12:39pm
I find it very discouraging how quick we are to attack, the man raised a valid concern/question.  So what he used a little humor in bringing it up.  Like no one else here has EVER done that.  And pepper spray to abort?  Seems to me I've read about people using capsacian to abort right here on this very board.  Sometimes I think we maybe are a little too quick with the torches and pitchforks.  :-/  

All kinds of brain problems, CH just being the most painful of them, thomas.
Title: Re: Clusters, Bipolar and Hypothalmus
Post by Jonny on Nov 22nd, 2005, 5:51pm

on 11/22/05 at 12:39:39, thomas wrote:
I find it very discouraging how quick we are to attack.


The guys a dick, Bro....and he loves being one if you couldnt tell.


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