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(Message started by: burnt-toast on Jul 22nd, 2005, 10:40am)
Title: Full Moon
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 22nd, 2005, 10:40am
Does anyone else see their CH attacks turn up the heat during a Full Moon?

Or do I turn into a Ware-Wimp when the moon is full?    



Tom  
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by giffy76 on Jul 22nd, 2005, 10:52am
It's never occured to me, I'll have to pay attention next cycle, but I'm guessing you'r a ware-wimp. LOL
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by vig on Jul 22nd, 2005, 10:55am
no, but my hair and nails seem to grow more...
;;D
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by yikes-another-one on Jul 23rd, 2005, 11:05pm
:)
well, it's not that far out there.

Moon has effect on oceanic tides and weather,
and on hormones.

why not on us chers too.

just wish there were a cure,
a vacciene....sopemthing
to short circuit the darn dance.

best wishes
:-/
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by AussieBrian on Jul 23rd, 2005, 11:08pm
I used to be a were-wolf but I'm alright now-oooooooooo.
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by Ueli on Jul 24th, 2005, 1:55am
Apart from mystical reasons (like the 5000 year old superstition of astrological nonsense) there are two conceivable causes how the moon could influence things on earth:

A) Gravitational forces. They are causing the tides. Plants living in tidal waters are strongly influenced by the height of water that absorbs more or less of the needed sunlight. But do the gravitational forces influence things on land? I don't believe in this. The variations of the weight (as measured by spring loaded scales) is extremely small, only about 4 ppm (parts per million). (See below for details). I don't thinks the Kudzu vines grow much faster when the moon is high in the sky.
The tidal range in the open ocean is about 1 meter, a lot of water moving up and down. How is this consistent with small forces mentioned above? For two reasons: 1) The mass of all the ocean water is really huge, resulting in huge forces too. 2) A resonance phenomenon, a rhythmic, relatively small disturbance gives rise to a large oscillation.

B) Light. The full moon is quite bright (but its illumination is not sufficient to read the papers, try it out). But moonlight does never the less influence some living things. Burglars prefer moon light, while the common earthworm prefers complete darkness for his mating, it never comes out for this in bright moon light.
It is well know that light is crucial to synchronize our circadian clock. But since most of us spend a large time fraction under artificial lightning, the natural daylight cycle has lost its importance and the small additional light of the full moon is hardly noticed by a TV watcher (I bet, few of the readers can tell the moon phase we have at the moment).
So I can't see how the moon could influence hormones (unless you are an outdoor night watchman).
The moon influences the weather only in fairy tales.


Appendix about some statistics

From a recent study done here on data from police, insurance companies, meteorologists:
Accidents and violent behaviour are strongly correlated to the days of the week, but not at all to the moon phase. Weather data, like temperature, clouds, rain, wind speed and direction, show no correlation at all to the moon cycle.


Appendix for number crunchers

The gravitational law
F = G * m1 * m2 / r2
gives the force F between 2 bodies of mass m1 and m2, separated by the distance r. G is the gravitational constant.

Let
m1 = 1000 kg     a test mass of 1 ton (a small car, an elevator cabin with 10 people)
m2 = 7.349 * 1022 kg     mass of the moon
r = 3.633 * 108 m     distance earth - moon at perigee (closest approach, when tidal forces are largest)
G = 6.673 * 10-11     gravitational constant, measured in  N * m2 kg-2

Inserting these number into the formula gives
F = 0.0365 Newton
That is, tidal forces on a test mass of 1 ton is equivalent to the weight of 3.7 g (a penny or two), or a variation of 3.7 ppm (parts per million).

PFNADs, Ueli                 [smiley=smokin.gif]          [smiley=smokin.gif]          [smiley=smokin.gif]          [smiley=smokin.gif]
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by Jonny on Jul 24th, 2005, 2:06am
LMMFAO....Ueli  ;;D
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by sandie99 on Jul 24th, 2005, 6:00am

on 07/22/05 at 10:55:54, vig wrote:
no, but my hair and nails seem to grow more...
;;D

;;D

I haven't noticed anything. But I'm a chronic (PF at the moment though) so the pain was there no matter in what position the moon was.
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by wip5150 on Jul 24th, 2005, 10:04pm
I've never noticed a correlation.
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by floridian on Jul 25th, 2005, 10:27am

on 07/24/05 at 01:55:13, Ueli wrote:
From a recent study done here on data from police, insurance companies, meteorologists:
Accidents and violent behaviour are strongly correlated to the days of the week, but not at all to the moon phase. Weather data, like temperature, clouds, rain, wind speed and direction, show no correlation at all to the moon cycle.


The weather is also more strongly correlated to day of the week - more rain on weekends!! Particulate matter from Industry builds ups through the week, reaching a high point on friday/saturday.  These particulates can act as seed for initiating raindrop formation.  Around big industrial cities, there is more rain on the (dirtier) down-wind side, and more later in the week.

Moonlight is unlikely to have an effect on modern man - fire and electric light at night is thousands of times more powerful than moonlight.  But the weekend effect is real for many people - change in stress, sleep, diet, alcohol and other factors.
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by paul_pero on Jul 26th, 2005, 7:03am
didn't notice any change.

But I howl a lot.
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 26th, 2005, 7:19am
OK, OK - I'd threaten to start a ware-wimp splinter group but I'd have to be the only member.  [smiley=ohjez.gif]

Tom  
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by Svenn on Jul 26th, 2005, 7:25am

on 07/24/05 at 01:55:13, Ueli wrote:
Apart from mystical reasons (like the 5000 year old superstition of astrological nonsense) there are two conceivable causes how the moon could influence things on earth:

A) Gravitational forces. They are causing the tides. Plants living in tidal waters are strongly influenced by the height of water that absorbs more or less of the needed sunlight. But do the gravitational forces influence things on land? I don't believe in this. The variations of the weight (as measured by spring loaded scales) is extremely small, only about 4 ppm (parts per million). (See below for details). I don't thinks the Kudzu vines grow much faster when the moon is high in the sky.
The tidal range in the open ocean is about 1 meter, a lot of water moving up and down. How is this consistent with small forces mentioned above? For two reasons: 1) The mass of all the ocean water is really huge, resulting in huge forces too. 2) A resonance phenomenon, a rhythmic, relatively small disturbance gives rise to a large oscillation.

B) Light. The full moon is quite bright (but its illumination is not sufficient to read the papers, try it out). But moonlight does never the less influence some living things. Burglars prefer moon light, while the common earthworm prefers complete darkness for his mating, it never comes out for this in bright moon light.
It is well know that light is crucial to synchronize our circadian clock. But since most of us spend a large time fraction under artificial lightning, the natural daylight cycle has lost its importance and the small additional light of the full moon is hardly noticed by a TV watcher (I bet, few of the readers can tell the moon phase we have at the moment).
So I can't see how the moon could influence hormones (unless you are an outdoor night watchman).
The moon influences the weather only in fairy tales.


Appendix about some statistics

From a recent study done here on data from police, insurance companies, meteorologists:
Accidents and violent behaviour are strongly correlated to the days of the week, but not at all to the moon phase. Weather data, like temperature, clouds, rain, wind speed and direction, show no correlation at all to the moon cycle.


Appendix for number crunchers

The gravitational law
F = G * m1 * m2 / r2
gives the force F between 2 bodies of mass m1 and m2, separated by the distance r. G is the gravitational constant.

Let
m1 = 1000 kg     a test mass of 1 ton (a small car, an elevator cabin with 10 people)
m2 = 7.349 * 1022 kg     mass of the moon
r = 3.633 * 108 m     distance earth - moon at perigee (closest approach, when tidal forces are largest)
G = 6.673 * 10-11     gravitational constant, measured in  N * m2 kg-2

Inserting these number into the formula gives
F = 0.0365 Newton
That is, tidal forces on a test mass of 1 ton is equivalent to the weight of 3.7 g (a penny or two), or a variation of 3.7 ppm (parts per million).

PFNADs, Ueli                 [smiley=smokin.gif]          [smiley=smokin.gif]          [smiley=smokin.gif]          [smiley=smokin.gif]




Ueli is in a good mood here   [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]


Best reply i have seen here in ages


Svenn [smiley=crackup.gif]
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 26th, 2005, 9:21pm
Everyone seems to have misunderstood my post, this was the [smiley=moonwiggle.gif] I was referring to.  Since I've gotten older every time I sneak a look when I undress in front of a mirror I get a real bad Head Ache.
Sorry for the confusion.  It will never happen again.  [smiley=ohjez.gif].  Anyone else have this problem?  

Tom
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by Jasmyn on Jul 28th, 2005, 1:18am
Tom, just to trow my penny in with the farthings.  Over the 14 years I've never skipped an astronomical Ch attack when it was full moon.  (not that I don't have attacks during other times)

But then in my defence to Ueli's very unemotional and utterly down to earth logic (when he's apparently in a GOOD mood) I'm not a night watchman, but a woman.  I watch the skies at night, are aware of the cycles as I farm and cut my hair and nails accordingly.  My neighbours do ancient African rituals on these occations and I sometimes join in.  This is triats that was passed down from my ancestors here in Africa.  By the way because I do not live in a city but hell and gone in rural Africa, the moon and stars are very bright and clear.

To modern man (Ueli) it will make no logical sense that what we do in our primitive loincloths may make very good sense to us and have worked quite well for us over the past few hundred years.  This has to do with our closeness to the earth and all living things and the influence of the moon, definitely nothing to do with our  [smiley=moonwiggle.gif]!
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 28th, 2005, 11:09am
Whheww - I thought it was just me - maybe living remote and away from artifical light has something to do with it.  Our house is tucked away in several hundred acres of woods.  Thanks.

Tom

 
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by Chillrmn1 on Jul 28th, 2005, 5:58pm
Don't seem to be a correlation for my CH during a full moon...................however a waxing full moon is good for fishing ;-)!
Title: Re: Full Moon
Post by Kiwiinoz58 on Jul 28th, 2005, 8:31pm
Aha now I underdstand why I get these CH's, I'm not waxing at the correct phase of the moon ;;D

Jacqs


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