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(Message started by: Ouch on Mar 31^st, 2005, 5:05pm)

Title: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by Ouch on Mar 31^st, 2005, 5:05pm

Ive been trying both of these for two weeks in hopes of getting some sleep. Not a single night goes by I don't get hit at least three or more times a night. I have also tried taking two tyenol pms and a shot of nyquil. Please excuse the spelling. And nothing seems to work. Any advice?

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by nani on Mar 31^st, 2005, 8:26pm

Sorry you're still suffering, Ouch. :( What else have you tried? Oxygen? Imitrex? Any prevents?

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by vig on Mar 31^st, 2005, 8:42pm

What is the Kudzu dose?

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by E-Double on Mar 31^st, 2005, 9:06pm

what was the melatonin dose?....9-12mg?

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by jokrs2 on Apr 1^st, 2005, 12:23am

Sorry to hear it Ouch. What brand of Kudzu and dose? I had a mixed bag at first until I got up to the recommended daily. How much melatonin? Are you sleeping lying down? Some of us have to sleep propped up or in recliners to keep those damn hits from hitting high kips at night. Wishing you a PFN, Joe

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by Bob P on Apr 1^st, 2005, 6:56am

Ouch - this is usually where I hit the Medrol Dose Pack (6 day prednisone taper). I usually get at least 3 full night's sleep before the attacks come back.

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by Ouch on Apr 1^st, 2005, 4:25pm

Thanks guys.....as far as meds... Topamax 100mgs, Lexapro, and the Melataonin 10mgs at night. I have tried several different things at night and no combo seems to be working. Still having several a night. The Dr. also prescribed a med called amitriptyline 25mgs to help sleep at night, but that has not helped. Vig.........not sure about the brand or dose on the Kudzu the bottle is at home. I will get back to you on that one. I do know it says take two tablets three times a day. Thats about it on that. Got it at the local hearbal store recently.

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by PCMCCK on Apr 2^nd, 2005, 8:47pm

None of the med that you are on are really very effective against CH pain; the non-prescription meds. have no real scientific basis that prove that they do anything. Topamax is a drug for epilepsy that works for some people with CH, but no guarantees. Amitriptyline is an old fashioned anti-depressant, brand name Elavil, which many docs use, in low doses such as you are taking, to help people sleep-it is not intended for that and can have some unpleasant side effects. I recommend that you go to a neurologist-if you are seeing one, then go to one who knows about CH; I would also recommend that you ask for a proper sleeping medication-docs give Elavil because one of the side effects is drowsiness, but that will wear off and in any case will not give you proper sleep (nor help you with depression if that is what the doc thinks that you have, at least not at 25mg and there are much better anti-depressants on the market now. Elavil is a dinosaur and was one when I started practicing 30 years ago). Good luck.

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by miapet on Apr 3^rd, 2005, 3:52am

I kinda wonder if the tylenol pm and nyquil are causing rebound h/as too?
Hope you're getting some rest tonight!
*positive light and energy*
miapet

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by Ouch on Apr 12^th, 2005, 9:14pm

Ive tried every kind of combo..... ty pm .....nyquill....melatonin.......nothing at all....you name it. Nothing seems to be working.

Title: Re: Not having any luck with Kudzu or Melatonin
Post by nani on Apr 12^th, 2005, 10:35pm

Sorry Ouch....hang in there. Have you tried oxygen or the triptan drugs, like Imitrex? Go back and talk to your dr about these. And verapamil, too. I would definitely stop the Tylenol and Nyquil. Like miapet said, they're probably making things worse. Good luck and PF wishes, nani