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Title: So So Sad Post by alchemy on Dec 29th, 2005, 3:21pm I know this is a couple of days late, but I can't get over the shooting in new orleans. one guy with a knife and thirty cops with guns. they killed him because they were afraid for their lives. i think maybe wounding him could have ended it. they didn't know how many times he had been shot or how many cops shot him. yeah he killed someone but i think it's pretty embarrasing that the cops were afraid. they weren't even close to him. he was on one side of a car and they were on the other. i know i'm probably wrong feeling this way but i can't see how they can justify this. crazy jim |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by vig on Dec 29th, 2005, 3:51pm that's just crazy jim :-/ |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by chewy on Dec 29th, 2005, 4:03pm Quote:
So the cops shot him? How thoughtless of them. |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by TomM on Dec 29th, 2005, 4:04pm If you were in those cops shoes, you'd have done the same thing. To me it's simple math: Cops say drop your weapon + you don't listen = Pay the consquences. Too bad. I agree, it is sad. TomM |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by BarbaraD on Dec 29th, 2005, 4:05pm Jim, there are a lot of crazy things going on right now in New Orleans and in Louisiana as a whole. I'm not in New Orleans, but things are not "normal". We weren't there, so all we know is what we see on the news. There's probably more to this than has been broadcast. I don't know if it was right or wrong, but let's keep an open mind. I'm sorry anyone has to die right now, but as I said, things are not normal right now. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Jonny on Dec 29th, 2005, 4:43pm If anyone wants to feel sorry for someone....feel sorry for this poor bastard :'( http://www.steakandcheese.com/downloads/The_Plunge_Of_Death.wmv |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by BobG on Dec 29th, 2005, 5:17pm It is a shame that someone had to die but Sliced-up and maybe dead cop(s) or dead murder. With their lives threatened by a nutcase that has already killed at least once, the police don't have the choice of "Let's just wound him. Then if he doesn't stop we'll wound him a little more until he does" |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Karla on Dec 29th, 2005, 5:33pm What do you mean plunge of death? It was nothing short of a miricle. The woman was on the news the other night and she survived that fall. Don't know how she did it but she did. |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Jonny on Dec 29th, 2005, 5:36pm on 12/29/05 at 17:33:31, Karla wrote:
I dont name the videos, I just copy and paste them and that was the description of it, thank you very much! ::) |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by alchemy on Dec 29th, 2005, 6:08pm believe me there is no sympothy for the guy, i just think it's sad shit gets so out of hand and death ends up the only option. |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by cootie on Dec 29th, 2005, 6:52pm Fear breeds fear.....and even with animals excitement can give a mixed up signal to the rest of the pack and turn to aggression. Instinct over reason usually applies Pam The guy shouldn't of murder'd anyone.......he would of spared himself....his family......the cops and there family and the rest of the world it has now 'stirr'd up'.....call it like it is...... |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Jonny on Dec 29th, 2005, 6:57pm I havent read any of the news on this, but did the cops even try tasering his ass to the ground? |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by PL259 on Dec 29th, 2005, 7:18pm Yup sad that anyone has to die. Damn glad it was not a cop. 3rd party video tape doesn't always show everything. How many innocent bystanders were at risk? Lots of questions, he was mentally unstable, many bystanders knew this, why didn't they tell the cops so the special unit could be called. Street officers in New Orleans don't carry bean bag shot guns or tasers, special response units do. I am just glad they all went home safely. http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1135839766161300.xml maybe the link will work. |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Ree on Dec 29th, 2005, 7:25pm yes and she made some dumb remark like Yes I'd do it again......idiot pants.... ya get a second chance thats God saying......stop jumpin outa planes..... on that first thing why didnt they just shoot the guy in the leg... they filled him with like 9 shots.... in this day and age there isnt a reason to do anything like that... i think after the first shot they all reacted.... sad is right...love ree |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by JenniferD on Dec 29th, 2005, 7:33pm I know a young wife of a cop. Her husband was killed by some jackass who thought it would be fun to drag him to his death. She is now a widow who rarely sleeps anymore and their now 8 year old son doesn't have his dad. Do I feel sorry for the guy that was shot? nope. |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by alchemy on Dec 29th, 2005, 7:39pm i saw that lady on goodmorning america, her face is all meesed up. i couldn't believe it when she said she couldn't wait to do it again. on the shooting here in portland they have a gun thats like a paint ball gun. i forget what it shoots but it doesn't kill it just hurts like hell. i've got two cousins who are cops here and they say it difuses alot of situations. i was wrong when i said the guy killed someone, he punched the guy. i've spoken to both my cousins and they can't believe what went down. |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by maffumatt on Dec 29th, 2005, 7:41pm suicide by cop in my opinion..................... |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Sean_C on Dec 29th, 2005, 8:14pm I don't feel sorry for the guy, they gave him ample time to put down the knife. If someone was in your home and was wielding a knife what would you do? What should of they done if he grabbed a hostage possibly a child?? Recently in my neighborhood a man car jacked a woman and her 5 year old son at the mall. The man apparently was in a drug deal gone bad and stabbed the dealer in the neck with the same knife he was wielding at the mother and child. Fearing he had killed the other man and had nothing to lose he kidnapped, raped and sodimized the 25 year old girl at a hotel down the street from us for 3 days in front of her 5 year old son. The only reason he was apprehended was because he took her to the local liquor store to buy alcohol because he did not have an I.D. The woman whispered raping me and the name of the hotel and the woman called the police. IMHO, neither of those victems will ever be the same again :( Some people don't deserve forgiveness, this man is definately one of them. To make matters even worse he's an illegal alien and might be deported instead of tried if he's wanted in his own Country. Now that is SAD :( Sean............................................................ |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Kevin_M on Dec 29th, 2005, 8:37pm I'm sorry, I know nothing of the incident but similar situations have happened here. A man who has killed and is armed, confronted by our protectiing police, there is only one option, disarm immediately and get on the ground prepared for incapacity. Police are empowered with authority in such situations and disregarding that authority is, as Matthew said, suicide. I may be wrong but I don't think there is any directive to a policeman to shoot to wound, they deal with danger to society and that is not a job to take chances with dealing with someone who has murdered. I've experienced only SWAT team busts and the seriousness of the situation is nothing to even think twice about being rebellious with how effective it is. Automatic combat weapons are pressed against your head within seconds of entry. Even thinking about moving outside of their orders is the most foolish thing imaginable. Regarding operations dealing with an armed murderer is unquestionably and absolutely a situation to just be fortunate to be able to be obedient. I am of course not privy to any police training but have experienced dealings on the wrong end of serious situations. You do not even think. |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Jonny on Dec 29th, 2005, 8:50pm on 12/29/05 at 20:37:54, Kevin_M wrote:
Every policeman in this country is taught that if you have to pull your gun, kill what you are shooting at.....this aint the movies folks. Was this overboard?....I dont know, but a dude that big with even a can opener will get my bullet, Im going home to my family over him killing me!! |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Phil L on Dec 29th, 2005, 8:56pm Gosh, and it was such a nice suit too. |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Jonny on Dec 29th, 2005, 9:09pm When you even have just two cops with guns pointed at your head ten feet away and you lunge at them with a knife.....Well, you want to die...Im with you Matt. http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051227/capt.ny12312270054.new_orleans_police_shooting_ny123.jpg?x=380&y=221&sig=n1T3BO6SlP5vEKFpnOUqGg-- |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by cootie on Dec 29th, 2005, 9:24pm I've often thought of doin that at Walmart.......am sure that'd bring out the fashion police Pam ;;D 8) ;;D |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by PL259 on Dec 29th, 2005, 9:24pm At 21 feet you have a maximum of 7 seconds to decide what to do if someone comes at you. 7 seconds to decide. At 10 feet, do the math. My father taught me to shoot, he at one time did rifle range training in WWII. I learned never to point a weapon at another human being unless I intended to use it in defense of my life or my family. The police have an extended family, all of you where ever you live. This is not the old west, John Wayne will not shoot the pistol out of your hand. That sends a wild round on an unknown path that will and does injure or kill innocent bystanders. As the video does not show there was lots of bystanders. You are told to lay the weapon down, you don't. For 3.5 minutes you continue. You made your decision, right or wrong. We will never know, not our decision. I know what mine would have been at 8 feet. |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Charlie on Dec 30th, 2005, 2:02am It's always been shoot to kill. Damned hard to deal with but that's what they do. There is a lot of overkill these days though. Still, most cops are young men and scared to death. Like Jonny says, it's not the movies. It's easier to kill of course and we tend to copy what we see on tv. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/zoblob.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by alchemy on Dec 30th, 2005, 7:25am i think i didn't preent my point very well. i thought it was a shame that so many cops were shooting at the guy. the numbers alone present danger to other cops and bystandes. as someone asked what would i do if someone with a knife was in my hous4e he would die. i've been stabbed once don't care to be again. i just thought it was overkill. crazy jim |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by stevegeebe on Dec 30th, 2005, 8:26am How's the crime up there in Wetbrook Maine? We are exporting thugs...want some? Steve G |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by deltadarlin on Dec 30th, 2005, 9:07am on 12/30/05 at 07:25:19, alchemy wrote:
Why? They were trying to contain the man so he could NOT hurt someone else or possibly take a hostage. on 12/30/05 at 07:25:19, alchemy wrote:
Why? They were trying to contain what was obvious a very dangerous individual who posed a GREAT risk to the public at large. There was a case up here awhile back that is almost a carbon copy of this one. The ONLY difference being that they did use the shotgun with beanbags. Guess what? It didn't phase him, he kept on coming. He'd also been hit with pepper spray. Guess what? It didn't phase him, he kept on coming. Needless to say, he was shot and killed. I agree with PL259 about *shoot to kill*. I, too, was raised with a gun in my hand and my daddy always taught me that you don't *shoot to wound somebody*, you shoot to kill. If you *shoot to disable/wound*, you are still giving them the chance to get up and come after you. A good friend of mine and her husband taught courses on using guns. What they taught their students was....you empty your weapon into the target, keep you weapon in your hand and then you run like hell to safety. If someone's actions put me or mine in harm's way, they best kiss their ass goodbye and make peace with their maker, because that will be their next stop. 'darlin |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by TomM on Dec 30th, 2005, 9:35am on 12/30/05 at 09:07:16, deltadarlin wrote:
Several of my years in the Coast Guard were in Law Enforcement. The rule of thumb was "Use all force necessary to compel compliance." You always shoot to kill and nothing less. That's the law of law enforcement. When I draw a weapon on you, that is my warning shot; next one is in your chest. If you hear me rack my 12 Ga., you'd better stop what you are doing. TomM |
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Title: Re: So So Sad Post by Kevin_M on Dec 30th, 2005, 10:53am I'd like to just add abouts the thoughts of overkill here but can only draw from witnessed experiences. Many police may nowadays use 9mm's. I believe the bullets are less than 100 grains, so clips are big because of that. I have seen once someone keep coming with eight 9mm shots in them. I've seen a black bear which had emerged from a den, deathly angry, keep coming with thirteen shots in him from 30-30's, a 300 Savage, and a .35 Marlin. There are different preferences for handguns, I would not use a 9mm. The .38 Special makes a 200 grain bullet, knockdown power. If they still make them, the .41 magnum had a 240, going by memory from 35 years ago. Knockdown power is important. There are of course preferences but too much kickback concerns me. Sorry to bring up a morbid aspect but the very small grained bullets, which may have been used, might have been a factor. If I was forced to employ one in this instance, yes, I would near empty my clip. One other note, I know the policemen did not want to have to shoot, and for them, I feel sorry. |
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