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Title: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by jimmers on Dec 20th, 2005, 12:10pm MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE! Jimmers and Family |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Ghost on Dec 20th, 2005, 12:18pm MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL !!!! And to all a PF night!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;;D |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Jasmyn on Dec 20th, 2005, 1:07pm http://graphics.ravenmoondesigns.com/images/christmaself_name.jpg Merry Christmas |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by E-Double on Dec 20th, 2005, 1:34pm Happy Holidays ;) |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by JDH on Dec 20th, 2005, 1:57pm Merry Christmas! Jim |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by seasonalboomer on Dec 20th, 2005, 2:08pm Celebrate the love of friends and family and call it whatever you want to call it. http://de.essortment.com/christmaspagan_rece.htm |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by TomM on Dec 20th, 2005, 3:59pm I am glad to read people are putting Christ back in Christmas. :) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! TomM 8) |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Jonny on Dec 20th, 2005, 4:17pm Merry Christmas!! Did anyone catch The Wizard of Oz Sunday night? They removed the scene where they were dancing and singing "Ding dong the witch is dead" Talk about being PC....Jeeze ::) |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by seasonalboomer on Dec 20th, 2005, 4:28pm on 12/20/05 at 16:17:06, Jonny wrote:
No, but have you ever watched it synched up to Dark Side of the Moon? It's really unbelievable how the music and movie have these really strange coincidental shifts from song to scene. We had a local radio station synch it perfectly one night that it was on local TV and it was a blast. Too bad I didn't have any combustibles for that night. Check out the site to describe the synch's: http://www.everwonder.com/david/wizardofoz/ |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by JenniferD on Dec 20th, 2005, 5:02pm on 12/20/05 at 15:59:03, TomM wrote:
This came from my neighbor today: Santa lives at the north pole. Jesus is everywhere. Santa rides in a sleigh. Jesus rides on the wind and walks on water. Santa comes but once a year; Jesus is an ever present help. Santa fills your stockings with goodies; Jesus supplies all your needs. You have to stand in line to see Santa; Jesus is as close as the mention of his name. Santa lets you sit on his lap; Jesus lets you rest in his arms. Santa doesn't know your name, all he can say is, "Hi little boy or girl, what's your name?"; Jesus knew our name before we did. Santa says, "You better not cry"; Jesus says, "Cast all your cares on me" Santa's little helpers make toys; Jesus makes new life. Santa may make you chuckle, but Jesus give you joy that is your strength. While Santa puts gifts under your tree; Jesus became our gift and died on the tree. We need to put Christ back in CHRISTmas. Happy Hannukah, Happy Ramadan, and MERRY CHRISTMAS. We may all celebrate differently, but we all wish for the same thing: PEACE. |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Jonny on Dec 20th, 2005, 5:17pm on 12/20/05 at 17:02:38, JenniferD wrote:
You may want to rethink one on your list of peace! This is about the guy that invented so called "Kwanzaa" "On May 9, 1970 he initiated the torture session that led to his imprisonment. The torture session was described in the L.A. Times on May 14, 1971. "The victims said they were living at Karenga’s home when Karenga accused them of trying to kill him by placing crystals in his food and water and in various areas of his house. When they denied it, allegedly they were beaten with an electrical cord and a hot soldering iron was put in Miss Davis’ mouth and against her face. Police were told that one of Miss Jones’ toes was placed in a small vise, which then was tightened by the men and one woman. The following day Karenga told the women that ‘Vietnamese torture is nothing compared to what I know." Miss Tamao put detergent in their mouths; Smith turned a water hose full force on their faces, and Karenga, holding a gun, threatened to shoot both of them. The victims Deborah Jones and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothing." http://www.nathanielturner.com/karenga2.htm |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by JenniferD on Dec 20th, 2005, 5:33pm ACK!!!!!! I knew it was invented but OHMYGAWD. Thanks for the additional info! Correction in progress. |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Cerberus on Dec 21st, 2005, 7:02am Christmas never was about Christ, until the Christian religion stole yet another tradition from other cultures... But I'm not bitter... 'Bus |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by JenniferD on Dec 21st, 2005, 8:42am and we thank them for their generosity in sharing traditions :) Once Christmas was established as a day of celebration of Christ's birth, and that is the tradition my great- great-grandparents, and my great grandparents, and my grandparents, and my parents celebrated and passed on to me, I think I'll stick with the traditions. My religion has changed, my faith didn't. The beauty part is that we don't have to run someone else's traditions down to practice our own or share it with someone else out of joy. As for me and my house, we do all the tree trimming, decorating, and all the other pre-christian era traditions out of fun, but we celebrate Christ's birth. Wishing you wellness, peace, and happiness however you choose to celebrate the season. :) |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Charlie on Dec 21st, 2005, 3:21pm Charlie |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by zwibbs/Scott on Dec 25th, 2005, 3:12am The birth of Christ ---Christmas---is the birth of HOPE for all the world. The word made flesh. Jesus wants the day for us. I refuse to get involved with the ridiculous bickering that goes on over " holiday" vs " christmas" because I feel for the person who has no-life but to start an argument like this ! MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Ree on Dec 25th, 2005, 9:19pm on 12/21/05 at 07:02:42, Cerberus wrote:
can you elaborate.... my religion thinks differently... always learning Ree Modified to say....... yep Me too... well said Jen!!! |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 25th, 2005, 9:39pm Quote:
Oh Ree........you and I always pick up on things like this, don't we? I was about to say something and then you did it for me. Linda |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Jonny on Dec 26th, 2005, 3:10am Politically incorrect? Here ya go.....LOL ;;D http://media.putfile.com/-Katrina |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Cerberus on Dec 26th, 2005, 2:17pm Okie Dokie then the elaboration goes as follows... (remember, you asked me too) ;) And also remember please that I am NOT denouncing anyones beliefs, I just happened to know how the whole Christmas thing originally began, and that I do acknowledge that EVERY christian religion is gonna say differently (its part of their stigma) Anyhow, in order to understand we have to go back to the origins of the Christian faith in general. Around the 1st Century A.D. the Emporer Constantine (Rome) had control of most of what was then the known world (the saying that all roads lead to Rome... effectively was true) 2/3 of the world was controlled by Rome. During that time among various pagan religions, Rome was host to 12 "Churches" ranging in beliefs from semi-Christian to Pagan. Constantine (being the very intelligent man he was) realized that there was basically no standard structure for Law and Order in the Empire, this was inadequate because it is common knowledge that in order to keep power one must have some form of "Law" or you stand to reign for a very short time. Constantine gathered the "Bishops" of the 12 churches to his palace and told them of this necessity. The rub lies in this... NONE of the Bishops agreed about what was common "truth" each had their own belief system and none coincided with the rest. So... in order to achieve a "standard" set of beliefs the Emporer locked all 12 bishops in a room, and told them that they would not be allowed to leave until they had come up with a commonly agreed set of laws. After some time...(quite a while actually) The bishops, drawing from their own beliefs and through ancient (even by their time period) scriptures mostly from the dead sea scrolls and other sacred writings (some older, some newer) weeded out what they thought were the most important and tossed out the rest, ultimately producing what is officially known today as the Bible. Yes... you may deny it if you want, however the Bible is a collaborated effort by pagans to establish a basic set of rules to govern Rome's first empire (i.e. the 10 commandments etc.) it did include the new testament. The interesting part is that, since much of the sacred text was discarded as "unimportant" Much of what is in the cannonized Bible can only be taken in context to the time it was assembled. The disregarded texts (scriptures previously mentioned) are today called "The Great Rejected Books" there are about 25 or so covering subjects as Adam & Eves lives AFTER having been banished from Eden, The life of Jesus BEFORE the age of 13, Accounts of Joseph and Mary BEFORE the birth of Jesus, and a great deal of information about the true nature of Heaven and Hell from the Gospel according to Peter. As well as historical writings from Josephus, and one or two UNKNOWN authors. If you want to know more about these...I have some insight (albeit little but some just the same) Continued in another post to this thread.... |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Cerberus on Dec 26th, 2005, 2:59pm Continuation... All of this is directly tied to modern Christian theology, the Catholic faith is based on Augustinian teachings (this is the part I have issues with). Augustine and Josephus at one time were Roman Soldiers, and through their exploits with the army took very vivid accounts in writing about many different events. To be a Roman soldier, means that they took part (even if minimal) in many activities that were/are unsavory not excluding Rape, Murder, Looting, Torture the list goes on. So, HOW is it that an entire religious faith is almost entirely BASED on the words of people who even by today's standards are UNHOLY? The account of Hell given by the apostle Peter whom the Catholics acknowledge actually decended into hell, is all but completely disregarded...the account the Bible tells us is "truth" are actually excerpts from a much more recent publication called Dante's Inferno. So much so that it is ALMOST verbatim. Anyhow all that said...Christmas as well as Christianity is an aglomorate faith made up of stolen practices and symbols from almost every other religion known to mankind. The Holiday itself originally was a pagan ritual, in celebration of the winter equinox marking the end of the fertile growing seasons, celebrating the harvests and offering "prayer" of fertility for the year to come. And went widely unchanged until sometime in the early 17th Century. Prior to that... almost EVERY culture had their own version of this rite, and it wasn't until the Middle Ages, when Christianity became more of a rule than a choice via events such as the Spanish Inquision etc... Things associated with Evil and stolen by Christianity... The symbol of the cross upon which Jesus died, was not a "new" thing the Roman Empire had been using crucifixion as a means of torturous execution for Centuries prior to the birth of Jesus. The Pentagram originally a pagan symbol representing the five elements (yeah thats right...5 the fifth being the earth as a whole and worshiped as the mother of all life) is NOT a symbol of the devil. That idea was planted by the vatican in a brilliant attempt to perpetuate fear. One thing the Vatican thoroughly understands was Constantine's knowledge that again... to keep power, you need to either have common understanding or rule by Fear...the church adopted the latter. The Yule Log... now a not so common western symbol of Christmas originated in Norway with the Viking people. Norweigians lived in large communal houses and every year they would cut down the largest pine tree, coat it with various substances that when burned would heat thier homes keeping them warm for a good portion of the winter months... it is said that some would burn all winter from ONE tree. The Christmas Tree... Originated in Germany, as a symbol of bringing life into the lives of people during a season that pretty much killed everything that grows EXCEPT the evergreen trees... It also originated as just a branch and bringing the whole tree and decorating it came later. The Swastika... not a Christmas symbol, yet regarded by modern society as Evil because of its association with Hitler and the Nazi Party who stole the image from India... who regarded the image as sacred... I don't recall why...something about the shape. The Ankh... (cross with loop at the top) is an ancient Egyptian symbol originally associated with the perpetuity between life and death a contiuous journey. The Yin/Yang is an Asian icon symbolizing the perpetuity of good and evil, one feeds on and exists because of the other. Anyhow...my point is this. Christmas is a "Modern" (within the last 500 years or so) holiday, and when I said that it never was about Jesus' Birth, I only meant that it did not originate that way. Again... I DONT denounce anyones faith or beliefs, I merely was trying to keep things in perspective some. Hope your Christmas was merry and I hope your New Year is Happy. :) 'Bus |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Langa on Dec 26th, 2005, 3:37pm Merry Christmas!!! :D Langa |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by chewy on Dec 26th, 2005, 7:36pm Quote:
Right sided vs Left sided. The Hindu symbol is right sided as opposed to the Nazi's left sided version. The hindu version symbolizes prosperity. The Nazi version symbolizes a lot of fucked up shit. An additional piece of Christmas trivia is that Christ was probably born in April, not December. |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Drk^Angel on Dec 26th, 2005, 9:13pm Cerberus... The upright pentacle is not actually denounced by the "church" as a symbol of the devil. More often than not, it is denounced as a symbol of witchcraft. Hundreds of years ago, the inverted pentacle was considered a sign of the devil and evil in general by the "church" (much as an inverted cross is dramatized as a representation of the opposite of Christ, the inverted pentacle, or Sigl of Baphomet, is a representation of the opposite of knowledge.) The Sigl of Baphomet was first revealed during the inquisition of the Knights Templar, but did not become an officially documented symbol of occultists until it was adopted by satanists during the 20th century. Further trivia about pentagrams... Emperor Constantine used the pentagram in his seal and amulet. The five points of the pentagram has been considered a symbolization of the five wounds of Christ on the cross. The Star of Bethlehem was originally symbolized as a five pointed star. And... Pentagrams have historically been used by Christians as a protective amulet. The swastika was traditionally a sun symbol used in India and Southeast Asia (and even by Native American tribes) before it was adopted by the National Socialist German Workers Party as an ancient Aryan symbol. The Nazis believed that the Aryans were the forefathers of the German people, and therefore believed that a German ruled world was inevitable. "The Great Rejected Books" of the Bible is more commonly called The Apocrypha. These include the Dueterocanonical books of the Bible (books once included with the canonical Bible, but later removed) and other Apocrypha (books never included in any canonical Bible). http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/index.htm Finally... The date for Christmas was chosen to correspond with pagan celebrations as a way to inject Christianity into the existing pagan practices, and to eventually replace them. The "church" tried the same thing with All Saints Day, also known as All Hallows. The Celtic festival of the dead, Samhain, was observed around November 1st (the pagan new year). To subjugate this festival, the "church" decided to have a feast to honor the Christian saints. The old ways didn't die away, and people continued to dress up, and give out gifts and treats the night before All Saint's Day, which eventually came to be called All Hollows Eve and then Hallows Evening or Hallowe'en. The "church" also created All Soul's Day for November 2nd, which is still celebrated on November 1st and/or 2nd by many Latin cultures as Dia de los Muertos, Day of the Dead. PFDAN................................... Drk^Angel P.S. The Nazi swastika was a right facing swastika, but appear both right and left facing on a flying flag. The most common Hindu swastika is also right facing, although left facing swastikas are also used. DA |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Ree on Dec 26th, 2005, 9:46pm on 12/26/05 at 19:36:19, chewy wrote:
cool jus like me an carl......lolol ree |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by CHTom on Dec 26th, 2005, 10:32pm By the way, Constantine only converted to Christianity on his deathbed. |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Cerberus on Dec 26th, 2005, 11:16pm yeah... ok, I left out some things to avoid posting a novel... but the overall concept was there. 8) but, thanks to all who filled in what I either left out or couldn't remember "of the cuff".... As For Constantine "converting" on his deathbed... That would also be "typically" Roman.... better to appease ALL the gods rather than be limited to just one... "playing it safe" so to speak.... ::) Apocrypha... Apocrypha....Apocrypha.... gotta remember that stuff, I always get that befuddled with Metallica album/song titles... for the life of me I cant think of why? ::) LMAO! so much for "history" eh? 'Bus P.S. glad to see ya agin Drk! [smiley=wave.gif] |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Charlie on Dec 27th, 2005, 2:04am Neat. You'll find all kinds of swastikas around 19th Century and early 20th Century architecture as well. It shows up in floors, moldings, even as outdoor decorations. You'll also find it as designs on valves, faucets and knick knacks and book jackets. I learned some good stuff here. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/help book.gif Thanks kids. Charlie |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Drk^Angel on Dec 27th, 2005, 6:20am Yep... Swastikas became real popular in the west after they were discovered in the ruins of Troy, and then later in Hittites and ancient Iranian archeological sites. PFDAN................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: This may be politically incorrect but.... Post by Kevin_M on Dec 27th, 2005, 8:08am on 12/27/05 at 06:20:36, Drk^Angel wrote:
Really old sounds correct, had to be pre-Byzantine because iconology was a big issue at that time. |
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