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Title: Karma?! Post by Cerberus on Dec 17th, 2005, 9:17pm Ok so we just got some really really really BAD news. I am contending this is bad karma for all of the success I have had over the last month...Woobs is still undecided mostly out of disbelief or just plain grief. Last fall, Woobies best friend and family moved to California to work at a new casino. The basic rule stands in that industry is that you have to go where the money is... and before today, the $$ there for them was extremely good. When they left, woobs was heartbroken and rather lost (emotionally) since this was her BEST friend whom had left. The Husband also a casino worker... was in prime physical condition... folks this guy was "Country Strong" the only way I can sum it up. Outside of lifelong diabetes he was healthy (as far as we know) and as I just said strong as an Ox...litteraly. I seen him lift things I wouldn't even attempt to lift, with little or no effort and NO help. So another friend and fellow casio worker (mutual to us both) and a guy I do odd jobs for, called us less than an hour ago and said to Woobs that there were people at the casino saying Jake (husband of the Best friend) had died yesterday of a heart attack, and at that moment the info was unconfirmed. Woobs denied it in disbelief with the typical "No way, didn't happen" because for all we knew it was untrue, although we couldn't call Kari to verify because our Cell phones were disconnected and that was their (Woobs and Kari) main method of contact with each other. The conversation ended there. Not even 3 minutes later... Adrian calls back and tells Woobs it was indeed the truth, he called Jake's Cell and their son Kyle (18 ) had answered and confirmed that he died of a heart attack AT WORK no less! The news hasn't fully sunk in for Woobs, we just found out this past hour, and she paid the cell bill and left dressed and ready for work in less than 20 min. total time from waking to leaving. Anyone who knows her, knows that this NEVER happens...period. I myself am still stunned at this news and Woobs is rocketing to work as we speak (no doubt to get the full story) This is what I do know... Kari and Jake are two of the most genuine and good people I've known (outside of the CH community) EVER. They have four kids, all Boys 8-18 in age, and they just moved to Cali....Kari is going apeshit no doubt, and its just before Christmas to boot. My issue is this... I am upset...I am shocked and bewildered, and Mostly I am grieving for Kari AND the Boys. Their Dad means everything in the world to those boys he would do ANYTHING for them and Kari without question. I recently have had an unusual streak of really really good luck...and I can't help but feel (cause this isn't the first time) that I simply CAN'T be the recipient of good luck without something devestating happening to someone I like and/or respect. Avoid me like the plague. May, Kari and the Boys quickly find peace and comfort especially now. 'Bus :'( |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 17th, 2005, 9:24pm Ramon, Check your IM's Linda |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by minnie on Dec 17th, 2005, 10:29pm No hon this horrible loss to Kari and her family is not karma.Your good fortune is great but please do not link it with this tragedy.right now your hurt and in shock we tend to let our mind wonder and taking the blame for this is your minds way of trying to figure it out.Their really is no answer for why this happened.I try to remind myself that everything happens for a reason and 95% of the time that reason will never be known by us.I'm sure Jake was extremely happy for your good fortune and would be very sad to see you blaming that for his death.I tend to blame my horrible year this year as the cause of the rotten sh!t happening in my life.I am trying to remind myself that things like my aunt being diagnosed with cancer and so far not well enough to be treated is not beause of my shitty year.I'm sorry I'm rambling .I just wanna say don't blame yourself,Give Tina a big hug from me and know I will be praying for a sence of peace and the strength to handle the grief you all will be going through. Minnie who wishes she could explain her thoughts better :'( |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by cootie on Dec 18th, 2005, 12:55am That kinds shit is HARD TO TAKE IN......let alone understand and comprehend. I just found out a very close friend of mine died I lost contact with the past few years. This guy would scare the crap out of anyone that didn't know him.......real scrufty voice about 7 foot tall with long red beard and hair with lots of tatts......but when we were out and he was around he kept an eye on me and hung out with me if Brad was busy playin horse shoes whatever our out somewhere with alot of people. I didn't even know about it to be at his funeral.....I feel pretty bad ! He wasn't healthy.....he was in Nam and around agent orange.....at least they say that is what was slowing killing him. |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by Woobie on Dec 18th, 2005, 9:51am SHIT :'( This is lengthy, but I have to share this! OK - so I heard that Jake died. I am devasted. I get to work - i call Kari - she says to me (talking as fast as she could without breaths .... ) "tina brown - THERE you are.. I've been trying to call you all day - i was about to pay your cell bill so I could call you...... i need you ... jake - he's gone - I dont know what happened, he just said he didn't feel good... the boys need him - i need him - what am i gonna do? - i cant think - i have to call his friends and people and i pick up the phone and i just call you and i cant think of who i'm supposed to call - they boys - they need me and i cant ... i just cant - Brownie (this is what she calls me) i need you - can you come? Come right now.. I need you to help me - there are people asking me about arrangements - and people coming over bringing food.. i cant talk to them - i cant think.. i cant make any decisions.. can you come? come RIGHT now brownie.. " I will never EVER forget those words. We hung up - I looked at a friend who was sitting there in the breakroom with me waiting to see how she was - I told her - "i have 51.00 in my bank account.. Kari needs me - I have to get time off - and get on a plane." Now - before I go on - you must know that Jake was a Pit Manager where I work for 10 years before they moved to Cali. Kari worked there, with me as a dealer. They were very well known - and respected. No one disliked them. And everyone knows that I'm her best friend. I go back to my game - and was immediately tapped out and told to go to the office. The shift manager is on the phone with another girl we work with, who is also a travel agent. They get me a ticket to california. Said "pay me back later. kari needs you now". He tells me to let him know when I'll be back... take all the time I need. The ticket was 450.00. I was in shock. But prepared to pay him back whenever I could. 6 hours later, at the end of the night - i was presented with an envelope with $1,156.00 in it. They had taken up a collection for me to get to California -- or that was the reason initially.. but the total kept climbing, people just kept giving - they said to give the rest to kari. So - I paid my shift manager for the ticket, and have over 700.00 for Kari. When I asked, they said "we talked to kari and asked if there was anything we could do... she said GET BROWNIE HERE. So - we did." I cannot BELIEVE the generousity of the people I work with.. every 5 minutes I had someone coming up to me telling me to send condolensces to her and give her a hug, and a phone number - tell her to call if she needs anything. And all this money they collected in 6 hours, on a Saturday night - right before Christmas. Unbelievable. It's nice to know that when something happens - that people will pull together and help you out. It's just nice to know. I wanted to share that with you guys.. But - Kyle is NOT 18 - he's 15. And I heard wrong - he didn't die at work. He died at home . He told Kari he didn't feel good - layed down on the couch, fell asleep and just never got up. He was 33... and played RUGBY all the time....... he was strong, he was active, he didn't smoke - didn't do drugs.. didn't even drink but once in a while. I just dont understand it. He was all about his kids. this just sucks :'( My plane leaves in 4 hours. thanks for listening to my story. And NO Ramon .... it isn't YOUR karma. I love you guys tina |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by LeLimey on Dec 18th, 2005, 10:09am People are wonderful, when the chips are down the angels show their wings. I'm so sorry for your loss Tina and your friends loss too, I can only imagine the horror of it all and Im glad above all else that she has you. Take care honeybun, the next few days are going to take every bit of strength you have. Just remember you have all of us thinking of you, praying for you and sending you all the strength to help you through that we can. with lots of love Helen X X X |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Dec 18th, 2005, 10:27am Tina - I'm so sorry for you, Ramon, and especially for your friend and her family. There is no good time to lose a person but this has to be the worst time of all for them. The generosity shown to you by your co-workers and management team is a wonderful thing and it will allow you to go and be with your friend when she needs you the most. Sending wishes and prayers for you to be strong and supportive and to know what your friend most needs and when she needs it. Hugs Carol |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by pattik on Dec 18th, 2005, 10:30am God speed, Woobs. :'( |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by E-Double on Dec 18th, 2005, 11:04am [smiley=hug.gif] My heart felt wishes to you and ofcourse your friend. In addition, Ramon should look at that getsure of kindness and realize THAT is Karma [smiley=hug.gif] |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Dec 18th, 2005, 12:25pm Bus and Woobie, I am so sorry for your friends and their family. I do believe in Karma. Good fortune comes from hard work (unless you are Paris Hilton). If you have been on a high and have been having good fortune recently, its probably cause of hard work and dedication. Like E-Double said, look at how people pulled together, look at how great Woobs is, look at how much she is loved......thats karma. PF wishes BMonee |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by BarbaraD on Dec 18th, 2005, 12:55pm Godspeed Woob and take care of your friend. She needs you now. Just having gone thru this, I know what that means - to have someone near. And Bus, everything happens for a reason - we just can't always figure out the reason. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by Melissa on Dec 18th, 2005, 12:58pm :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Oh how I wish I was there with you Woobs and Ramon right now. Just even to hug you... I'm so sorry hon, and I am genuinely touched by all the caring people you and Kari know. May God take her and the boys under his wings right now and comfort them in any way possible. You too babe. love you guys, mel |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by Cerberus on Dec 18th, 2005, 1:10pm Thanks you guys... you all are the BEST EVER! Woobs is now on her way to her stop in Phoenix where she has a 1hr. layover. From there she goes to Ontario California scheduled to arrive @ 5:37 P.M. I just called her Cell and she didn't answer so I have to assume her flight was ontime. If there is ANYONE who lives close to Ontario, Cal. and some free time (fat chance I understand) Would you be willing to pick Woobs up from the Airport and drive her to Kari's? She will kill me for asking this, but if it saves her the hassle of trying to rent a car and drive from the airport it would help a great deal... I DON'T WANT HER DRIVING ON THE CALIFORNIA FREEWAYS IF POSSIBLE! traffic is murder and she shouldn't be doing that. IF ANYONE CAN DO THIS... IM me and I will give you Woob's Cell to get in touch with her. I have some things to do today...and wont be home so if you need my Cell # I will give it, IF you can let me know now. I apologise for my directness, but I got alot of shit to do today and tomorrow while she is gone. I love you guys and THANK YOU for all the vibes, prayer, and encouragement. This is all happening so quickly, I barely have time to make any sort of decisions... act first, think later. Peace Out... 'Bus ( correction... she is still @ O'Hare and her flight doesn't leave till 1:45 cst) |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by Mattchew on Dec 18th, 2005, 1:56pm When the chips are down, people stand up..........sorry to hear of your loss Woobs, thoughts and prayers are with you and yours. Matt and Mary |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by cootie on Dec 18th, 2005, 3:41pm I am sittin here HOPEING sumone liven out that way read this and met up with her......I know if anyone near there DID get on here and lived near they'd DO IT IN A HEARBEAT. The highways here scare the crap outa me.....I'd be sittin along the curb white knuckled rockin back and forth afraid to move. HOPE she makes it safe and sound......what a freind she is.......wow.......way cool she can be there and that her job was SO understanding. I am impressed !! Pausein for a good cause Pam Nuther thing bout this karma stuff......when you have "ALOT"of friends you have alot more to loose. |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by JenniferD on Dec 18th, 2005, 7:09pm Bus and Woobie, I am so sorry for your friend's loss and the rough time you two are going thru. I hope both families find some peace through this very difficult time. What a blessing about your job and the generosity of your co-workers. You mentioned karma- now THAT is karma....what you send out, you get back. You two have sent out love and compassion and support....you got it back 10fold. Wishing you strength and peace, Jen |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by Opus on Dec 18th, 2005, 10:00pm Neither are you are to blame. People forget that even with proper treatment Diabetes is a serious illness, and yes people with it just lie down and die. I had that happen to neighbor in his 30's and we all probably have heard the report about the woman in her 20's that died, and her daughter went to school and they wouldn't believe her. By the way if you really want bad Karma, just post on slashdot Opus/Paul |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by Charlie on Dec 18th, 2005, 11:28pm So sorry for all this but heartened by people's generosity in so many ways. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/hugger.gif So sorry for your friend and family. Damn, it's a hard place at times. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by jimmers on Dec 19th, 2005, 9:55am :'( Our prayers are with you guys! Peace, Jimmers and family |
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Title: Re: Karma?! Post by Cathi04 on Dec 19th, 2005, 7:21pm Now, Ramon! Get a grip! Honey, do you remember the kindness you showed to Ken? Do you NOT think, then, that getting this new job could be payback for that kindness? Perhaps karma has nothing at all to do with this. Sadly, people die. The older we get, the more likely it is to happen. This one was definitely waaay too soon, but heaven only knows why. Please dont beat your self up any more!!! How fortunate Woobs could go to her friend. How kind the co-workers were to help make this possible. It all reminds me of the huge hearts you and Woobie have, and I would expect nothing less than this! Do me a huge favor, Ramon. Look forward to when Woobs returns home. If before Christmas, make it the best your family has ever had....with love and laughter. If after Christmas, pretend it IS Christmas, cause any day can be Christmas if you are with the ones you love. I am soo glad I know you both! I can understand Kari wanting Woobs there..and I can also understand why you, Ramon, would be thinking the Karma thing..but it is not at all true. You are a kind soul, who only wants the best for everyone. It just happens, Ramon! I love you both, and I am terribly sorry to see you both in pain. Finally, to all of us. Please remember, every single day counts! Sing like no one's listening, dance like noones watching.....LIVE it....and never let anything go unsaid. If I still lived in CA, I would so gladly pick Woobs up....but, I'm nowhere near there. Please tell Woobs to do like a Californian, point it, and hit the gas! She'll be just fine, just you wait and see....... Stand strong, Brownies........ Cathi |
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