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(Message started by: minnie on Dec 15^th, 2005, 7:34pm)

Title: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by minnie on Dec 15^th, 2005, 7:34pm

new Pledge of Allegiance!

Since the Pledge of Allegiance

and

The Lord's Prayer

are not allowed in most
public schools anymore

Because the word "God" is mentioned....

A kid in Arizona wrote the attached
NEW
School
prayer.

I liked it....

Now I sit me down in school

Where praying is against the rule

For this great nation under God

Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the class recites,

It violates the Bill of Rights.

And anytime my head I bow

Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,

That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.

The law is specific, the law is precise.

Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall

Might offend someone with no faith at all.

In silence alone we must meditate,

God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,

And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.

They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.

To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,

And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.

It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,

We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,

Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.

But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,

No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,

When chaos reigns the school's a mess.

So, Lord, this silent plea I make:

Should I be shot; My soul please take!
Amen

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Jonny on Dec 15^th, 2005, 7:39pm

:'(

PC Bastards!!!!

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Sean_C on Dec 15^th, 2005, 9:08pm

I liked it too minnie :-/ Sometimes kids make a whole lot more sense ;)

Thanks for sharing [smiley=thumb.gif]

Sean..............................

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by floridian on Dec 15^th, 2005, 9:32pm

Y'all can stuff your Fundamental Correctness - FC is the new PC. Happy Holidays? Merry Christmas? Whatever you like!

What would Jesus do? We don't know, but the O'Reilly mob thinks we should stiff a waitress on the tip if she says "happy holidays" instead of "merry Christmas." Peace on Earth and Goodwill to ~~Men~~ Good Christians that speak exactly like we demand!!

Here's the original pledge of allegiance from 1892:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

And here's the 1923 pledge:

I pledge allegiance to my the
Flag of the United States,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

And here's the 1924 pledge:
I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

When did the fundies decide that little Johnny and Suzy should get a catechism as part of their daily civic duty? Not till 1954.

The Constitution contains no mention of God, but the Constitution does state that the Constitution and treaties signed by the President and ratified by the Senate shall be the supreme law of the land, And the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli states in article 11:

"As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen; and as the states never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mohometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interruption of harmony existing between the two countries."

The problem isn't with drug addled ACLU hippies, it is with the founding fathers who somehow forgot to put God in the Constitution, and the people who wrote the original Pledge of Allegiance, and with President John Adams and the Senate of 1797 that all said that America is not about promoting any religion, it is about giving people the freedom to believe whatever they want while keeping goverment out of the business of religion.

FC bastards!!

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Sean_C on Dec 15^th, 2005, 9:39pm

on 12/15/05 at 21:32:31, floridian wrote:

the O'Reilly mob thinks we should stiff a waitress on the tip if she says "happy holidays" instead of "merry Christmas." Peace on Earth and Goodwill to ~~Men~~ Good Christians that speak exactly like we demand!!

I listen to Bill all the time, on some topics I wish I could reach through the radio and grab him by his puny little neck and O'Rielly factor his face ;;D Butt then again thats what he wants me to feel or else he wouldn't have a show ;)

I can't believe Bill made it to CH.com ;;D Thanks for the laugh Flo ;;D

Sean..................................

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Karla on Dec 15^th, 2005, 9:52pm

What a nice prayer. I would be praying in school just like David did in his home. He even opened the window and prayed out load to be sure to be heard noing it was illegal in the land to pray at that time to his God. I am so sick of all this pc.

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Jonny on Dec 15^th, 2005, 9:53pm

on 12/15/05 at 21:39:55, Sean_C wrote:

Thanks for the laugh Flo ;;D

...........................;;D

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by sandie99 on Dec 16^th, 2005, 2:55am

As I have mentioned before, more than 80 per cent of Finns have the very same faith. That's why we have religius content in schools. Those students, who don't belong to the church or have other religion, can freely skip those situations. Back here it is running smoothly. :)

Sanna

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Charlie on Dec 16^th, 2005, 3:23am

I don't particularly care much about this whole thing. What a ridiculous waste of energy and time spent on this. BOTH sides are to blame and so are the media. It sells.

Merry Christmas works fine for me but I don't plan on stringing up waitresses or clerks either. Happy Holidays mostly stems from corporate America's fear of losing a buck or two than anything else.

Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/hand on hip.gif

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by forgetfulnot on Dec 16^th, 2005, 3:49am

on 12/16/05 at 03:23:25, Charlie wrote:

No Charlie,, it comes from the heart and what you believe in, fuck the merchants, who cares what kind of bull shit they put up?

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by E-Double on Dec 16^th, 2005, 6:17am

I am an extremely patriotic peron, however, when in school I would never say the pledge of allegiance.

My reason for not doing so was the following......

*Though I am not nor was I ever an extremely religious person, I have a strong faith and I'm pretty devout. (I'm Jewish)
*Despite there actually being 613 commandments, We tend to only think of 10. The second commandment essentially states no idolatry.
In a way even at a young age I felt that people were praying to the flag as opposed to stating there love for a country. That made me uncomfortable.
* Jewish people will not use G-d's name unless in temple. Their are hundreds of names for G-d. In hebrew you are allowed to say one particuliar version when refering to the dude upstairs if you are not statng prayer. This is Hashem, which translates as THE NAME. Other versions are only said in prayer.
*Learning at an early age what our founding fathers wrote and "believed" what was right for this country.
As Floridian already posted.

I would gladly lay down my life to support our nation and to protect our rights and that of our future.

Those are just my feelings when it comes to the original post and the whole topic.
To me things should not be mixed.

Peace!

E

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by JenniferD on Dec 16^th, 2005, 7:33am

Happy Hanukkah E-double. :)

hey pc lovers: pplllllllll :P

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Kevin_M on Dec 16^th, 2005, 9:16am

The pledge of alligiance was written by Baptist Minister and Socialist (Christian) Francis Bellamy.

The 1880's was a decade rife with dissension. There were 10,000 strikes involving more than 700,000 workers. Demonstrations were bitter and often violent, as in 1886 Chicago with the Hay Market Riot.

Reformers, such as Francis Bellamy attempted to remind Americans of shared principles upon which the nation had been built. He urged cooperation to effect vast and enduring changes.
To promote the message of unity, Francis Bellamy, an editor of the widely circulated magazine Youth's Companion wrote a salute to the flag that he hoped would be recited on the Columbus Day ceremonies throughout the country.

(May 1st, 1893, President Grover Cleveland turned the key for the display of the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago at Jackson Park, 400 yrs since discovery by Columbus. The biggest money maker of the fair was a 200 ft tall design by a young bridge builder G.W.G. Ferris Jr. 36 wood paneled cars carried sixty passengers twice around for 50 cents a ride.
The fair's scheduled date of opening was Oct. 12, 1892, but was delayed seven months due to financial crisis of the lingering 1880's. 27 million attended.)

The Pledge of Allegiance was to encourage a nation indivisible, that promised its citizens one and all, liberty and justice. Bellamy deliberately omitted the word equality, well aware that his editors would never approve publication of the pledge if it hinted that women and those of other races in America were considered equals.

Edward Bellamy, cousin to Francis was a journalist and the fiction writer of "Duke of Stockbridge".
His book, "In Looking Backward 2000-1887", a tale of time travel, what was needed he believed, was cooperation, true solidarity, full equality and through an overthrow of capitalism.
His book sold millions when 10,000 was a best-seller. Clubs formed due to it, the Boston Nationalist Club was one of the Bellamy Clubs and most influencial. Nationalists were supported by the Populist Party and feminist groups. The interesting thing about the book was that he envisioned music in the sitting rooms of each home, debit cards making money unnecessary and huge warehouses providing citizens with what they desire in the way of goods. (Amazon, Sam's Club, etc)

The World Columbian Exposition stood as a bright and shining city in the middle of squalor, urging visitors to buy lights, appliances, Cracker Jacks, Cream of Wheat, and Juicy Fruit gum, intimating a glorious future as people feared for their jobs and savings. *

"Dark Light", electricity and anxiety, Linda Simon, 303.483 S

(the context of the time is always important.)

With the changes Flo has mentioned, equality has never been one of them, unfortunately.

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by pattik on Dec 16^th, 2005, 9:33am

Thanks Flo, Eric and Kev.....some great "enlightenment" to end the week. Amazed than I'm still never too old to learn new things. ;;D

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Bob P on Dec 16^th, 2005, 10:08am

There is no direct mention of God in the Constitution, except in the formation of the date used in the document: "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The Lord in this phrase is, of course, Christ.

Perhaps we should change our calendar so it is not referenced to Jesus' life.

Generally, the word "God" will appear in two places in most constitutions: in the preamble and the religion clauses in the bill of rights. For example, the word "God" appears in the preamble in eight state constitutions. In four states, the "Supreme Ruler of the Universe" is used instead. By far, the most popular divine reference in a preamble is "Almighty God." This appears in the preamble of 30 state constitutions. In some states, there is no preamble. In these cases, a divine reference can be found in the religion clauses in the bill of rights. There is only one state constitution which has a preamble that does not have a divine reference of any kind. This is the Constitution of Oregon. But here the words "Almighty God" appear in the state religion clauses.

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by E-Double on Dec 16^th, 2005, 10:11am

5766 ;)

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Ghost on Dec 16^th, 2005, 10:13am

http://www.flagday.org/Pages/StoryofPledge.html

;)

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by minnie on Dec 16^th, 2005, 11:05am

Hi guys i know that political correctness has been a issue on the board.I really wasn't thinking of that when I posted it.A global thinker I'm not.I thought it was great that a kid was upset about what he believes was a loss of rights and put pen to paper to express himself.now days getting kids to stick to their beliefs and state them to others is hard no one wants to stand out.it seems well thought out wether you believe in the theory or not.don't get me wrong this is a great discussion but it was really not about pc.I guess you can say I'm a dreamer but i don't believe everything has political tone .yes I know this has political and religeous tones which does bring discussion and although not here arguments.i guess what I'm trying to simply say in my ramblings is when I see a picture I like I enjoy it and sometimes share it.I don't nessicarilly want to figure out the artist motives or vissions I just think what a beautiful picture love the tone wish I was artistic.same here.I hope this makes sense but I find that people who know me get really scared when I start making sense to them....
Minnie who's looking out the window and enjoying the winter wonderland and not trying to figure out the effects to my taxes because of the snow plows working lots of overtime .does that make sense ? if so be afraid be very afraid... ;;D
Eric that's cool I love to learn about diferent religions and believes.now if I could learn to spell

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Kevin_M on Dec 16^th, 2005, 1:00pm

Thanks Minnie,

I just wanted to get in the bit about the Ferris wheel for Luke down in Florida. He was a fan of Mr. Ferris up in PA and used to post roller coaster pictures for us.

;)

*no allegiance to Pledge alleged, dollar stores have Dust and Shine.

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by floridian on Dec 16^th, 2005, 1:08pm

on 12/16/05 at 10:08:49, Bob P wrote:

Perhaps we should change our calendar so it is not referenced to Jesus' life.

Yeah, but then we would have to remove the references to the Roman and Norse Gods, and how many of us could live without Satur(n's)day? Do you really wanna piss off the God of Thunder and do away with Thor'sday (aka Thursday)? And how much do you think you'd be getting if you insulted Freyja/Frida, (Goddess of Love) by renaming Friday? We are a culture founded on pagan roots, and those roots are spread through our language.

This fact pissed off the Quakers, who renamed the days with numbers (the first day, the second day, etc). That never got far.

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by E-Double on Dec 16^th, 2005, 2:12pm

on 12/16/05 at 13:08:32, floridian wrote:

This fact pissed off the Quakers, who renamed the days with numbers (the first day, the second day, etc). That never got far.

That's because some of us look at Sunday as day 1 ;)

We need to have stuff like Bum day, Schlep day, putzing around day. Let hump day really mean it ;;D

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Ghost on Dec 16^th, 2005, 3:37pm

[smiley=biggrin.gif] [smiley=spit.gif] [smiley=bow.gif]

Thanks eric I needed that, of course I need to clean my monitor now [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by BobG on Dec 16^th, 2005, 4:01pm

E-Double, you're Jewish? You lucky bum. Wish I was in a Jewish family during the holiday season(s). Why? Food.

Us Christians have the same'ol same'ol dried turkey, cold sliced ham or a greasy goose for EVERY holiday. Same squash, same veggies. Nothing ever changes. Boring, boring, boring.

But your and your people know how to eat! My ex-next door neighbor (she's gone now) was a 100% Jewish lady. Holidays were her favorite times of the year.

And I really, I mean really, ate good. I miss her.

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Mattchew on Dec 16^th, 2005, 4:45pm

http://www.washingtongop.net/images/DemocratChristianHaters.jpg

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Leesa on Dec 16^th, 2005, 8:20pm

Very nice!!! I saw bumper sticker the other day that read
"as long as there are tests in school there WILL be prayer" I just sucks that everyone has to be so "politically correct " (sp) anymore!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Leesa >:(

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by BlueMeanie on Dec 16^th, 2005, 8:29pm

on 12/15/05 at 19:34:26, minnie wrote:

Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule For this great nation under God Finds mention of Him very odd. If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a Federal matter now. Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot; My soul please take! Amen

I like it, but it wouldn't fly either. God, Lord, Ten Commandments and Bible are all also in this new Pledge of Allegiance. :(

Title: Re: New Pledge of Allegiance!
Post by Cerberus on Dec 17^th, 2005, 11:10am

Irony for me is that the way I understand it...

The Name "God" is pretty non-specific, from a religous standpoint. I don't see any reference to any specific God, just God and nothing more. This would lead me to believe that I MAY possibly be praying to ALL or NO God that is IF I am praying at all.

Another Irony... I now work for a School District (Illinois) and They say the 1954 Pledge version EVERY Morning as the first class is about to start over the P.A. system. I now wonder since that is supposed to be "Illegal" if it is a collective Student decision, if so then that would make sense. Illinois is a democratic state (politically) so I wonder if in fact the Student body elected to recite it every morning and not the School itself.

'Bus

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