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Title: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 12th, 2005, 3:37pm Need a home remedy concoction to put me to sleep now! For Hours! Either that or I'm ready and have the means to go to sleep for good. I never wake to anything but pain and it never leaves, so don't know what I'll do when I do wake ... if I do? But, if I don't go to sleep very very soon, well then, I've had enough! |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Melissa on Dec 12th, 2005, 3:40pm Dave, I suppose the docs won't give you anything to knock you out for a couple days, or maybe admit you to induce a short coma (or however that works)?? I'm so sorry hon... I really am. :( love u |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 12th, 2005, 3:43pm Don't think I could wait that long even if they did, I'm talking minutes or maybe, just maybe hours. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Redd715 on Dec 12th, 2005, 3:43pm Dave my friend, Don't you give it up. I don't know what to tell you for sleep potions. Just don't give in...please... Every last ounce of energy is headed straight to CO right now.... Pegg |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Melissa on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:08pm Dave, where is Annette right now? Between the two of you, you could get to the hospital and let them take care of you hon... Please at least give it a try. :( |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Margi on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:11pm David? Am I gonna hafta come down there and kick yer butt? Because I will, ya know. Does benadryl work for you? It's worked wonders for Mike in the past. Same with Dramamine. Both cause sleep as a side effect and the beast doesn't break through because you don't reach REM. But...from the tone of your post, sounds like any kind of sleep would be golden right now. Please, my friend. Try one of these? (Don't try both because they will counteract each other and zip you up like you would not believe. ) Praying for your peace, Dave - as always. Annette? You there? We want to help you both. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Jasmyn on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:12pm Hi Dave St John's Wort tea, you can buy it at health shops, just don't use with other anti-depressants. Monkshood(Aconite napellus) you can get in homoeopathic form, (only safe way to use it!!!) but works well, also constricts blood vessels but be careful if you are already taking vasoconstrictors. Chamomile tea & honey - very safe That is the only one's I can recommend, the others will certainly kill you ;;D But seriously, I know it is rough on you but like Mell said won't your doc induce sleep therapy for a few days? That will at least give you a bit of a break. Just remember we are hangers, you can always lean on us. Hugs |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by imnotbub on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:17pm If you have nothing else, try Nyquil. Hang in there. it WILL get better. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Melissa on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:22pm Yeah, I'd rather you do the Nyquil instead of what I was going to suggest. I don't think that drinking till ya pass out would be very wise... :-/ Only things that have knocked me on my butt are Nyquil gelcaps, benedryl and morphine. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:23pm Tried about everything mentioned, think I'll just go sit down and empty this bottle of Xanax ... see what happens. Will keep computer on this site for a while though, not sure I'll be able to respond in a bit |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Melissa on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:28pm Dave, I'll tell you right now, OD'ing on Xanax will NOT make it better, trust me. Now dammit, where is Annette? I don't have your phone number, or else I'd call you. Would it fucking kill you to get admitted? You need HELP! |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by floridian on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:44pm Don't do it, Dave - or call 911. Get some medical supervision if you are that bad off. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:49pm Already started ... will see what happens |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by chewy on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:51pm Quote:
Nyquil = alcohol =trigger = attack. Have you tried trazedone? If not call your Doc. OTC? Benedryll is the most common sleep aid. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Melissa on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:56pm Dave, I have taken only two and a half .5mg xanax pills during a panic attack... it kept me up ALL FUCKING NIGHT. Some pills won't put you to sleep when you overdo them, some keep you up. Asprin did the same thing to me when I attempted suicide when I was 16. I downed the whole bottle, and ended up with the shakes and sweats all night long (yeah, I know weak cry for help, fuck off those who laugh at it). Don't take any more, please? If it would help, have someone call for you, but don't let your ego get in the way of saving your sanity. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 12th, 2005, 4:58pm Last time I took Benedryll ... doc at ER beat me up! Litterally! Physically! I may have got him fired for it though. Tired of docs now, nothing but bull. What sucks is I still have to wake, and what for? |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 12th, 2005, 5:02pm Crap! Who called the wife! Shit! >:( |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Dec 12th, 2005, 5:04pm How I wish I had words of wisdom for you, my friend. Sadly, nothing comes to mind. You've fought this long and this hard Dave - please tie another knot in that rope of yours and try to hang on one more time. I agree with the others though, you need to call 911 and have them take you straight to an emergency department. Please, please, hang in there. One day at a time. Hugs to you and Annette. Carol |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Opus on Dec 12th, 2005, 5:08pm on 12/12/05 at 16:12:23, Jasmyn wrote:
St Johns wort can be a bad trigger for CHers. Dave, I hope you find peace and sleep real soon. Prayers going out for you. Opus/Paul |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by kimmiedawn81 on Dec 12th, 2005, 5:32pm No idea who called your wife, but if it keeps you from doing something dumb, then so be it! We need you here! |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Pinkfloyd on Dec 12th, 2005, 5:33pm on 12/12/05 at 17:02:37, Dave_Emond wrote:
I don't even like calling MY wife. Besides, I'm not tellin :-X So, you'll just have to assume that everyone here, and there, cares about you. Bobw |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Karla on Dec 12th, 2005, 5:40pm Dear God please let Dave be alright. Don't let his life end this way. Find a way for him to get perminent relief without ending his life. Give the drs wisdom to help him. Heal his body. In Jesus Name. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Cathi04 on Dec 12th, 2005, 6:17pm Dave, what would you tell a friend if he made this statement to you?? I know you're going through hell. I know you're exhausted and in pain. I also know this WILL end............ and I know you're smart enough to know this. Take our energy, Take our collective strength and use it for now. Read the suggestions........try them again! Please Post! Please take care of you. Cathi modified to read............. HOSPITAL! Please, call 911 |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by alienspacebabe on Dec 12th, 2005, 6:28pm Not me who called - would have if I could have found your number online..... and, not to make light of what's going on with you, but... I just mailed you a gift - 2 to 3 day Priority - so you're gonna have to stay around until then.... And now to be serious: Don't give in to that temptation, Dave. If your wife comes home and finds you've left us, let it be natural and not at your own hand - don't put her through that, please! |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Pinkfloyd on Dec 12th, 2005, 6:32pm Dave has been taken to the hospital. He was kept on the phone until Annette got there. He's in good hands. Bobw |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Melissa on Dec 12th, 2005, 6:35pm Oh thank God. THANK YOU to whoever it was that got ahold of Annette. I am very grateful. mel |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Kate in Oz on Dec 12th, 2005, 6:39pm Thanks for the update Bob. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by E-Double on Dec 12th, 2005, 6:48pm on 12/12/05 at 18:32:27, Pinkfloyd wrote:
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Dec 12th, 2005, 7:21pm Thank God and thanks to the person who was able to keep him on the phone until Annette could get to him. Carol |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Dec 12th, 2005, 7:25pm That was good thinking......even if it did make Dave a little upset. BobW or whomever that was, good job to you. Thanks BMonee |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by nani on Dec 12th, 2005, 8:00pm Wow... that was close... Another example of how this board saves lives. Good work, ClusterHeroes! Dave and Annette, I'm sending lots of prayers and good thoughts and vibes. hugs, nani |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by maffumatt on Dec 12th, 2005, 8:13pm ditto |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by broomhilda on Dec 12th, 2005, 8:56pm Thank you, I love this family... Everyone is in my prayers Hugs Andrea |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Carl_D on Dec 12th, 2005, 9:09pm Dammit Dave!!!!!! I am praying with everything that is in me that you pull through this! You have fought too hard and too long to go out like this. DON'T STOP FIGHTING NOW - WITH EVERY OUNCE OF STRENGTH LEFT IN YOU FIGHT THIS!!!! Whoever called Annette - THANK YOU! As soon as anyone has any updates on Daves condition, please let us know. And for those of you who don't pray, this is as good a time as any to start. :'( Carl |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by BobG on Dec 12th, 2005, 9:37pm Thank you to whoever it was that called Annette. Dave and Annette, please, please let us know. Our biggest prayers are going out to you both. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by cootie on Dec 12th, 2005, 9:58pm Makes ya really think about what a place this really is......at least he got on here to tell everyone WHAT he was up to........which probly saved his life. Non of that benydryl or niquil stuff has ever PUT me to sleep.....I lay and suffer with a terrible hangover in the morning. Same with xanax.......yuk all day the next day and only slept a half hour or so if lucky. Won't he have MORE trouble now gettin meds from his doc showin a 'suicide' side ? Well at least now he is in good hands and hopefully will get some SLEEP. Would that be before or after they pump his poor stomach Pam |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by MJ on Dec 12th, 2005, 10:00pm I have found new meaning in this sight. Dave be well. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by kimmiedawn81 on Dec 12th, 2005, 10:05pm This is what everyone should stick around for....helping people and being there for them....not to leave because you disagree with what someone said. I'm glad that I stick around. We are all very caring people. Dave and Annette, you are in my thoughts and prayers. Please let us know how things are going. I hope that they can give Dave some relief. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Redd715 on Dec 12th, 2005, 10:22pm There is much meaning to this site MJ...BS and all... Pegg |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Mastifflvr28 on Dec 12th, 2005, 11:43pm Prayers and vibes going up!!! Mast |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Annette_Emond on Dec 13th, 2005, 1:17am Well everyone! I have said it before, and I am here now to say it again! You never know where you are going to find your angels. Thank God Dave's made him post here today, and Thank God someone paid enough attention! I called poison control first, then 911 at their recommendation. Dave was pissed off!!! to say the least, but they took him in and he is now being transferred to a psych hospital on a 72 hour hold. My hands are shaking so bad I can hardly type, but thank God somebody listened to him* tonight and heard everything including what Dave would not say. Suffice it to say if angels had not been hovering, he did indeed have the means to put himself to sleep and never wake up. God Bless you for calling! I need to make some calls now, but I will keep you posted. Love ya all. Annette |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 13th, 2005, 1:46am Gotta thank Dave himself for coming here during such a situation. Hats off to you, Dave. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Ghost on Dec 13th, 2005, 2:17am Dave and Annette, The group there during that time was a godsend. As many times as I have wanted to sleep that bad for some strange reason I did sort of the same thing and asked advise. I guess its the minds feeble attempt to either get approval and ask for intervention all at once. All of you that participated in helping Dave I truly applaud. He is Family and everyone stepped up and took care of him as such. Even if he is pissed for calling Annette at least he is still here to be so. I think that is a major part of why I still come back almost everyday, The true compassion and understanding that can only be truly understood by others going through the same thing. All of you are the same to some extent, in my opinion. Lets all send our strongest to both Dave and Annette and see them through this. Also to each other to remember how close we all can be at any given time. Thanks for letting me rant but for some reason I felt this needed to be said. Mike |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Jasmyn on Dec 13th, 2005, 2:32am Ditto Goat and this is why this family count so much. Annette vibes to you for staying strong and you and Dave surely have this family to stand by your side. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Svenn on Dec 13th, 2005, 2:45am First i want to send a major thought and thanx to the person that made the call to Anette. THANK YOU And Dave You know we love you bro.And this is not the way to do it. We know the frustration and the pain,but you also know that there are a LOT of us that are willing to lend you an ear or a shoulder if you need it.Me included. Sure hope you can get some help at the hospital,and i do know all of us are sending you all the vibes and best wishes for a soon recovery from the ordeal you are in now. The bandwagon is filled with vibes and best wishes and on the way to you Dave. Anette our friend Thnx for the update and please keep us informed. Svenn & Bente |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Carl_D on Dec 13th, 2005, 2:47am Thanking God and the angels right now, and the family here that intervened during Dave's desperate hour. This was not the day, or the way for him to leave. Sending blessings, vibes for strength, and keeping you in my prayers incessantly. Also putting you two on the local prayer chain. You and Dave have shown strength beyond strength. I love you both! Carl |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by LeLimey on Dec 13th, 2005, 4:10am Oh I'm so glad you are both okay. Annette my heart goes out to you, you must be worried sick. Dave, I know alot of us here have been in a similar place to you. Let us help, we'll do all we can and thank you so much for posting last night and giving people the chance to get help to you. To last nights cluster angel.. thank you. :-* |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Shaz on Dec 13th, 2005, 7:13am Hope all will be well for you Dave and Annette. So sorry that you are having such a terrible time. Try and hang on in there. Everyone out here is thinking of you and sending you vibes. Lots of Love Shaz :-* :-* |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by taraann on Dec 13th, 2005, 7:22am Dave and Annette You both are in my prayers. I'm so thankful that he is safe right now. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by JenniferD on Dec 13th, 2005, 7:41am Thank you thank you thank you to whomever made that call last night!!!! Dave and Annette, you are loved here and we all are keeping you in our prayers. I don't even know how to express my concern for you both, but I do know that God has his hand on this situation and you need to trust in Him with every ounce of your being. Even when you are not here posting, remember that we are all lifting you up, either in prayer, sending vibes, thoughts, peace, strength, energy - all that we have. Let us know how you are when you can. We'll trust God to keep you in His safety till then. Peace to your hearts, bodies, minds and spirits, Jen |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Redd715 on Dec 13th, 2005, 7:53am Dave and Annette, Every ounce of energy and love I have is headed out to you both again today. Check in when you can... Dave may be innitially pissed, but I hope he comes to realize that love is what saved him. Thank you too all involved. Pegg |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by minnie on Dec 13th, 2005, 9:58am For he will command his Angels to guard you in all your ways. PSALM 91:11 For I am the Lord your God who holds your Right hand.And who says to you, 'DO Not Be Afraid. I Will Help You ' ISAIAH 41:13 I am so glad he came here and someone was able to get hold of you Annette.Please do me a favor Annette while Dave is in the hospital see if there's someone for you to talk to.Between his illness and pain and trying to keep things a float you are under gigantic pressure.Have someone to talk to and pamper yourself even if it's just a long bubble bath and candlelight.You know you can always come here to vent but someone in person to help you talk things out would help alot.please take the time to care for yourself too. Minnie |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Margi on Dec 13th, 2005, 10:00am Pink it was you, wasn't it? Bob, thank you. :-* Dave, this is NOT the way God wants you to go out, man. You know that. His will, my friend, His will. I'm sending up all I have for you today - for your pain freedom, for your renewed courage and strength, for your doctors' wisdom to know how to help you, and for your continued faith. Annette, my heart just aches for you - I know you're going through your own private hell right now too. Please know that I am here however you need me to be ok? Love and prayers to you both, Margi |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by juvy on Dec 13th, 2005, 11:08am Dave-lots of vibes headed your way. I'm thankful for whoever kept you on the phone and for whoever called your wife. You may not realize it but you're an inspiration to a lot of us (myself included) and we need you. You've gone through a lot and are still with us. Please don't give up now. We love you. Annette-lots of vibes headed your way. Please let us know how he's doing when you can. When he's up to it, please let him know how much we care. I wish you lots of strength. If you need anything, please let us know. Love and light, April |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Charlie on Dec 13th, 2005, 6:23pm I came to this late but I'm very glad the rest of you were on the ball. This place is indeed amazing. I thought the messages were wonderful. All my thoughts and vibes for Dave and Annette. Charlie |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Not4Hire on Dec 13th, 2005, 7:28pm dave you bastard... yeah. I know I'll get over bein pissed..but y'all scared the crap out of us... annette: I'm SO sorry this happened and I hope you know this fambly is RIGHT THERE in your back pocket... damn this MOFO TO HELL..... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE...read what it SAYS on my tagline: |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by DonnaHar on Dec 13th, 2005, 10:14pm I just got here too, and am so impressed with our family. Dave has been so brave for so long under such pain, fear and emotional ups and downs. And the same for Annette. I don't know how she carries all of this, but I know, like my sister, that you do what you have to do as a supporter. The time for a temporary break-down comes in due time. Right now, she needs to hold on to all of her strength and see Dave through all of this until he finds relief. God, please bless Dave and Annette. See that both get a good and restful sleep. Command that the doctors either find a cure for Daves disease, or a way for him to find some peace of mind and relief from pain. He seems to have come to the point where he needs You to carry him over the rough spots while he regains what strength it will take for him to carry on. As I love my children, You love your sons and daughters. Please show Your love in a supernatural way that will allow Dave to feel your caring touch. Thank you Lord for favors about to be received.. I hope that the ones here that are closest to Dave and Annette will always have a way of getting ahold of Annette when it is necessary for her to be away from home. Bobw, I'll bet you never thought of yourself as an angel, but your wings were showing tonight. This is the second time today that I have seen the citizens of Clusterville come through for one of our own. This place never ceases to amaze me. You people are all wonderful. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Annette_Emond on Dec 13th, 2005, 10:42pm Just to let you all know- Dave is home. I don't quite know what to think at this point- he either is ok, or he is not and will not be so open again. I know he is very angry with me for my part in having him "committed". Hopefully we can sort that out. Thank you all for your messages and support. I would have had a lot tougher time getting through last night and today without you all. :-* |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by TxBasslady on Dec 13th, 2005, 11:05pm Well shit....I guess this is another thing we can thank Dave's ex-doc for. It wasn't enough that he was put on high dosages of Prednisone for way too long. No taper....just tons of Pred till he couldn't walk or function. The clusters never went away....but the doc still had him take it. By the time Dave and Annette realized this wasn't working and was causing more serious problems, Dave's immune system was destroyed from the Pred. Just been one problem after another ever since. The doc he has now can't fix the problems caused by the Pred. Dave's proof that there's a lesson to be learned here. Everyone needs to be a bit educated about some of the meds given for CH. Prednisone does work for some...but it needs to be tapered. Please don't let any doc put you on it, without a taper and proper instruction. Things have been going downhill for Dave for quite a while now and the bad part is that the damage can't be repaired or fixed. I think it's enough just to suffer the pain of CH. It's depressing and it hurts. It hurts our families...and our supporters. Sometimes it causes us to not think rationally. Sometimes when the pain just won't stop, we think there's an easier way out. Dave is a good man. He's been forced to give up an active lifestyle because of a medication that was not properly monitored. Thank goodness he came here and posted. Sometimes I wonder...just how many are out there, who have noone...and no place to go. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Annette. Give Dave my love. Jean |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Ree on Dec 13th, 2005, 11:41pm WE LOVE YOU DAVE... SHEESH... I HAVE LOST BOTH OF MY PARENTS IN 5 MONTHS AND AM FACING THE HOLIDAYS~~~READING THIS I WOULD HAVE DIED INSIDE IF YOU LEFT US TOO BUDDY. BE WELL AND KNOW YA GOTTA BE WITH US FOR THE LONG HAUL FOR THE DAY THEY FIND A CURE AND WE ALL CELEBRATE!!! THANKS JESUS... AND DAVE KEEP VENTING HERE THATS WHAT WE ARE ALL HERE FOR.... REMEMBER THAT AND KNOW IT WILL END....I PROMISE LOVE REE |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Pinkfloyd on Dec 14th, 2005, 2:04am Let me just say it was a concerted effort. A few phone calls (by more than one person) are nothing in comparison to what Dave and Annette have been going through 24/7 for too long. Anyone looking for angels have to look no further than those that reside in their home. Although a portion of this played out in a public setting, for a short period of time, that falls far short of what goes on every day in a very personal way for Dave and Annette. If they wish to share any other details, it should be left up to them IMHO. Bobw (this is not to minimize any of the people or posts that were made and the caring that was shown by people here. It's just to show the respect and admiration I have for both Dave and Annette) |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 14th, 2005, 4:13am So, what am I supposed to say? Yeah, I’m “home”, so what? It was Bob Wold who called Rex who then called Annette. Rex then called me, I knew I shouldn’t have answered and by the time I realized what he was doing, Annette got home. Crap, Bob Gibson even managed to get a hold of relatives in Henderson, NV? I’m not pissed at anyone here; in fact I appreciate all the concern. Not sure I’m ready to say much since I’m still pretty pissed about how this was handled. Think they would hold me in “lockdown?” Hah! … smarter than them fools any day. So now what? I’m not going to go into what I really think about this whole situation, but I’m not about to agree on terms set by anyone. I know so many of you are good and truly concerned friends and appreciate the thoughts. NO pity thoughts for me though! Love ya and doubt I could explain, but pity pisses me off, give all you want to I’m not going to say I have more problems than anyone out there, everyone has there own battles and one doesn’t override another. Anyway, supposed to see a shrink today, but doubt I’ll go. I called him first that day, but was pretty much told a bunch of crap and told to “call later” and let him know how I was doing. Course if I can even get there, that may be the only place I can go to talk for myself instead of I could lay out my whole story, but no point in that as it would only be a self serving pity party. Obviously, the next couple days will determine what the future holds. I’m not going to place blame, but neither am I going to take any … again I can’t explain that either. Seems I’m not doing much explaining, so probably a worthless post and will just shut up and take a little advice I got this morning … “Be careful what you post!” Sorry for all this I started and upset so many, from here on out probably anything I could say needs to be personal. Yeah, best I stop now … some new things to think about now. Here’s to the future! ??? (Edited to remove personal crap) |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by JenniferD on Dec 14th, 2005, 7:15am Dave, Noone is blaming you and no "sorry" is needed. Our collective "upset" was CONCERN AND LOVE for you during your difficult time. You post what you want, do what you need to, and never ever forget that there are people here who love you regardless of whether we know you "in person" or whether we know all your private stuff <--That's your business and for whom YOU choose to share with. I don't mean to stick my nose in where it may not belong, I just want to let you know that I'm glad you are home and have that appointment. You and Annette (as well as all of our ch family) will continue to stay in my prayers until the day I can say that prayer of thanks when the cure is found. As always, wishing you peace, Jen |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by DonnaHar on Dec 14th, 2005, 7:53am Turn it around, Dave. What if it was happening to someone you love and care about? Would you sit quietly? Actually, there's no pity, just worry. We want and need to hear from you, and maybe that's a little selfish on our part. I know there are times when you can't possible care, but just the same, it's true. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 14th, 2005, 11:35am No pity Dave. Just powerful respect. /not into vibes //put the personal stuff back, so i can call you teh ghey |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Jimmy B. on Dec 14th, 2005, 12:03pm No pity here...either, Dave. Only admiration that you can hang in there with the type of pain you are dealing with. I know you've tried probably everything...but have you also checked with a Pain Mgt. Doc....They offer meds, therapies (physical & mental) that can help chronic pain sufferers get some semblance of a normal life. Pain...especially of the chronic variety is very depressing and must be handled through the body as well as the mind. On top of the clusters...I broke my neck in a couple places, in a car accident. Broke the spinous process' at C5-C6 & C6-C7. They call it a "Clay Shovelers Fracture" [smiley=huh.gif] anyway...it wasn't a bad fracture as necks go...but it eventually caused some heavy duty chronic pain and the Pain Mgt. Doc definitely helped me through it. Not trying to equate what I went through...to your pain...but if you haven't tried a Pain Mgt. Doc...it may be worth a shot. Good luck Dave & Annette |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by nancyc on Dec 14th, 2005, 12:06pm Dave, I have never had anything but respect for you and that still stands...Believe me bro, i have felt the same way you did about ending it all..then I had to remember that little one God sent me to love and protect in this big bad world despite the fact I have to fight the beast to do so....I know you have battled so much in the last few years and you have fought a good fight...but I also know your strenght came from someone alot greater than yourself...so lean on HIM again....He will never leave or forsake you even though we feel that way at times...now, all i need to do is take my own advise...God bless and a big hug to my brother..Please call me if there is anything I can do or if you just need a clusterbud to chat with....smiles,nancyc |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by BobG on Dec 14th, 2005, 12:49pm Dave , so glad you're home. I can exhale now. Annette, thanks so much for being there and getting help. BobW and Rex, thanks for your calls to Dave and Annette and caring to get help started. Dave, Yes, I did call your relatives here. I was so scared and upset that I couldn't even remember your name or the reason I was calling. But, through my blubbering, I did it out that I needed Annette's phone number. They probably thought I was some kind of nut case and didn't give me the number. You may have not wanted them to know about the situation but I just felt something had to be done. So glad you're back home. Be well my friend. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by vig on Dec 14th, 2005, 1:16pm awesome display. Good luck to Dave and Annette, you KNOW we're all rootin' for you. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by pollyanna on Dec 14th, 2005, 1:40pm Dave and Annette, My thoughts and prayers are with you right now. Annette -- please, please, please keep a close eye on him no matter what!!!!!!! Way to go whoever it was that called Annette.... some people never get the chance to save -- YOU have given her that chance! Take care and God Bless you all. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Margi on Dec 14th, 2005, 1:47pm Dave, I didn't see your post before you edited it. But I can still feel the undertone of anger to it. Please don't take this out on those who love you. As said to you - what would YOU have done, if this situation was reversed? You would have done everything in your power to help. Just like those around you did. Please don't lose sight of that, ok? Rex, Bob and Bob - thank you. Annette - thank you MORE. And, Dave - thank you MOST. For what? For coming back, Dave. You're just not done yet - can't you see that? I know you probably aren't seeing the miracle here yet, but I hope you do someday. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 15th, 2005, 11:55am Quote:
This was a stupid thing for me to say and there’s hardly any way for me to apologize for what emotions that put so many of you through. That’s what happens when I post at times I shouldn’t be. I’m sorry and feel free to be mad at me for startling everyone so much. Anyone who knows me would already know that I don’t believe in suicide and would never do it. Yes, I did take the Xanax, but slowly and (believe it or not … responsibly!) to try to see if I could get some sleep. I’ve been on this crap for over 15 years and I know its effects. I used to be able to get some sleep with it on lower doses, but that hadn’t been working anymore for some time, so I doubled it in desperation. It didn’t do a thing, no sleep and no medical problems. As to other rumors spread by email and phone about alcohol and the Stadol, purely bull. The truth is I had one watered down shot of Stadol about 6:00AM that morning and from then to 2:30 PM had a whole … maybe a total of 4 shots of whiskey mixed with eggnog. That small amount and the length of time is hardly going to do anything. At the ER, they couldn’t even get an alcohol reading and had to ask if I even really had anything to drink that day! Let me make this clear as well, I am in no way upset with anyone who was concerned and contacted Annette or my family. Be upset with me instead for putting you through the worries. I’ll take the blame there, again I shouldn’t have been writing in the mood I was in. Yes, I’d much rather be dead than go on like this with no end in site, except if the ALS or Immune system finally gets it over with for me. Big difference from not wanting to live through something and actually committing suicide, surly someone must understand this? Annette KNOWS I’d never commit suicide and has known it. (Continued …) |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 15th, 2005, 11:57am Now what I have to say will probably piss off many of you, but I’m tired of hiding it. There’s a difference between a Supporter and a Martyr! I have all the respect in the world for true supporters and understand the toll that is put on them. Sometimes it can be too much for someone and that support can turn to despise whether they know it or not. Annette had been a great supporter for some time, I’ll always be grateful for that. But, despite what you read in the boards, emails, PM’s or phone calls that support ended long ago. I haven’t done anything “right” in any single day for a long time now … so I’m told daily. It would be nice to ever even get to finish a thought or sentence without being interrupted, told I was wrong before I could even say what I wanted to say and talked down to as well as in a nasty voice. There is the person you see here on the boards and the person I live with. I’ve become nothing more than a convenient “excuse” for a pity party for her when there’s no need. Annette wants to be the martyr and hero who can’t do anything but worry about me to everyone else while in the meantime will find every way she can to tear me down in person. I know many will think the sufferer wants to blame someone else, but that’s not the case here, I’ve really had enough of the bull my martyr puts across here and I don’t need a martyr. Perhaps this is the only way she can deal with things anymore, but it’s not doing either of us any good. When we got married, I had no idea what would happen in the future to my health, either did she. This wasn’t the life I wanted to give her. She tried hard and loved me through more than anyone should have to deal with. I still love her and believe she still loves me but we don’t get along as people might think. (Continued …) |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 15th, 2005, 12:00pm This having me committed was my final straw! I was very coherent and fine when she came home, but against my wishes she called the ER. They took me to the hospital and found nothing wrong with me, still she insisted to the doctors I was suicidal and needed to be committed. My hero! In the lockdown ward I talked to many doctors and psychiatrists who couldn’t find one reason I should have been sent there in the first place. In the meantime Annette feels it her place to write all her family, my friends … and my FAMILY! Worrying everyone with a bunch of bull! Let the pity letters pour in now for her from all of them and praise her for “taking such good care of me.” She knew damn well I wasn’t in the slightest bit of danger. After they talked to my doctors and psychologist, they agreed that there was no need for what happened. When I got out early, it pissed her off and she told me I’d now have to follow all her new rules, took my Xanax to work and would only allow me to take them on her terms. (Warning … never, never do that to someone with an anxiety disorder, only going to make things seriously worse!) So anyway, last night after getting tired of being interrupted and try to have a normal conversation, the only way I could get a word in was to yell … never done that to her before no matter how often she yells at me. We will be parting ways, and the sooner, the better. Send me the hate mail or call me what you like, but if you think about it this whole situation will give her back her life and I think she deserves a better one than I can offer. I wouldn’t have posted this if I hadn’t read all the crap being spread around, so I feel I have a right to express my side. Annette is still a wonderful person who has gotten too stressed out and found her way to try to cope, but it is too much for her, she needs some peace and she’ll only find it when I’m out of the picture. I’ll truly be glad for her to return home when she’s ready and can spend more time with her family and hope she finds happiness. I’ll probably be moved out by the end of the month. Many may not agree … but it is best for both of us. Hope this can be accepted by all our “family” here with some understanding. With us separating I hope both of us are still welcome here without prejudice. Real life … maybe others can learn from our mistakes? Dave |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Pinkfloyd on Dec 15th, 2005, 12:36pm Ok, well, wow. All I can say is what I know, and you're right I don't know anything that goes on there, but... Had Rex not been home, I would have contacted your ISP and based upon your posts, THEY would have called 911. I'm not here to defend myself or anyone else for that matter. I just think you should know that after spending 10 plus years in online support groups, I've read hundreds of similar posts. VERY few of those were ever acted upon in this way. But I do know from experience that based upon your post(s), one way or the other, someone with flashing lights was going to come knocking on your door. Once anyone feels there is a serious threat like this, and has the knowledge needed to do something, you either do it, or you take the risk of doing nothing, ending up with a very bad outcome, and living with that the rest of your life. Had nothing been done, and you'd just fallen asleep, not continuing to respond, the guys with the flashing lights would have broken your door down. Besides that, all I can do is wish you and Annette both the best of luck and I'll still be here if either of you need anything. Bobw |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Margi on Dec 15th, 2005, 12:38pm Dave, I am so sorry to read this but I do respect you for writing it. I don't like reading the bad things you say about my friend, Annette - I do have to say that - but I am so sorry this is the conclusion your marriage has reached. Sorry for both of you. You are both wonderful people. I hate to see wonderful people tearing each other apart. But, you're right, it does happen and there does, sadly, come a time when you need to stop doing that. I wish (and still hope) that you can find peace together, though. I am so relieved to say that you won't commit suicide - I understand and rejoice for that on a spiritual level. And I do understand what you're saying - you're not trying to kill yourself, you're trying to stop your pain. I told Mike last night what has happened and he asked me to express his best wishes to you and that he totally understands that concept too - it's not a suicidal wish, it's just a wish to stop the pain. I, too, pray that "they" can figure out this ALS/Immune thing for you and fast, Dave. I pray every day for that. You're both in my prayers, Dave and Annette - you're two of the most courageous people I know. love, Margi & Mike. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by cootie on Dec 15th, 2005, 12:43pm I hear ya......not a good situation to live in either way and jus makein each worse. Hope ya find that quiet place Pam Good luck to you both gettin settled and situationd.....and most of all sum respect and quality life. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Melissa on Dec 15th, 2005, 1:14pm Dave, I love you for you. You will always be my friend, no matter what changes in your life. Annette, even though I don't know you as well as Dave, I respect you and appreciated your friendship. I hope we can remain friends also. Life happens, you roll with it, and don't think of it as failures, but as no regrets. hugs, mel |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 15th, 2005, 1:23pm BobW Wrote: Quote:
Appreciate the concern Bob, but had the Ambulance showed up with just me here, they would have left in a few minutes ... without me. I never did get any sleep, in fact not until late the following evening. I was frustrated at the lack of sleep and was looking for any ideas. I'm still trying to figure out why I put that one line in there and I can't apologize enough to all those I caused so much worry. Margi Wrote: Quote:
Yeah, I expected to hear this and I thought I kept it toned down for what I really felt like saying. I honestly don't want anyone to lose respect for Annette. She is still someone that deserves friends like you and the many others she's found here. I felt like I had to say what I did as no one really knew what was really going on here. My kettle has been boiling over for some time now and I've kept quiet about it. Even when not too long ago she told my family that if I fall to the floor in CH pain, not to worry ... I was only FAKING IT! Would you or any other supporter even think of saying this? And of course, why? My Mother was pissed as hell and wanted to smack her as she's seen me in extreme attacks. Anyway, sorry for the offense, but at some point I finally have to have some defense. I'll learn to be more careful with my posts. Annette is a wonderful person whom I do love, respect and friendship between us is gone, but we must part before that love is lost. Dave |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Dave_Emond on Dec 15th, 2005, 1:29pm on 12/15/05 at 13:14:31, Melissa wrote:
Thanks Mel, this is the kind of response I hope goes over well. Neither of us wants to lose any friends over this. Dave |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by LeLimey on Dec 15th, 2005, 1:54pm Dave and Annette, this is sad news but the best of luck and love to you both. I hope you both find happiness, pain free times and peace and I hope you can maintain a friendship and respect that I know is still there. We're always here for you both. with much love Helen X X X |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Jasmyn on Dec 15th, 2005, 1:57pm Ditto what Helen said. Modified to add: Dave and Annette, no one can judge as for CHer and supporter this is a most difficult road to walk. I think more people here understand and have empathy, it is at the end the person/s who count. |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Margi on Dec 15th, 2005, 3:02pm Dave, please understand that I'm not offended. I completely understand and respect you for saying what you have, I just never like to hear anything bad said about my friends. If someone said bad things about YOU, I wouldn't like that either. That's all - that was my point. I'm not angry at you, Dave - none of us here walk in your shoes or Annette's shoes. It's not my job to judge anyone, you know that. I know your heart is hurting, Dave - mine is too, for you both. As Jasmyn says - this IS probably the only place that you will find complete empathy and understanding for the paths both you and Annette walk. My apologies if my comments offended YOU, Dave - honestly not my intention. love, Margi |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Svenn on Dec 15th, 2005, 3:29pm Dave & Anette Think there has been said enough here so i wont add to what already has been said exept 1 thing. All this is proof of true love between brothers & sisters Svenn & Bente |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Carl_D on Dec 15th, 2005, 3:39pm Ditto to what everyone said! No matter what, I still love and respect both of you very much and wish nothing but the best. Always here for both of you. Peace & Love, Carl |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Charlie on Dec 15th, 2005, 3:52pm The Internet sometimes creates overkill responses. With this kind of thing and from a distance, I guess safe rather than sorry is the only choice if a phone isn't handy. Hoping things ease up a bit for you and yours. Charlie |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Jimi on Dec 15th, 2005, 3:53pm Dave you are still my horse if you never win another race. :) |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Ree on Dec 16th, 2005, 10:05pm I think its extremely difficult to be a supporter. I think it must be 100 times worse when the sufferer has other medical issues besides CH. Annette is still a hero in my eyes. We all get burnt out. We all have marital discourse... I love you both..... Ree |
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Title: Re: NOW! Post by Cerberus on Dec 17th, 2005, 12:31am After reflecting on the things said here. I have but a couple of things to say...YES, to BOTH Dave and Annette. I attempt to address BOTH parties equally. Dave & Annette, I care NOT what your personal greivances are with each other, that is your business and I will not even suggest that either of you are not welcome here. That having been said, I want to thank you BOTH for keeping us abreast of the Prednisone risks. Woobs has R.A. Arthritis...she flares pretty bad (more often that I care for her to endure, she is the love of my life and I am in a CONSTANT state of worry for her health and ADAMANT that she recieve the the best treatment available for her pain. Pred. is probably the most common effective treatment for it and for a time we both refused to allow her to take it...luckily for us it is because of the BOTH OF YOU that we now are comfortable with her treatment...I dont "like" it, but if it helps her (and it does) I can cope. I would be a mere husk of a man without my woobie. The other thing, that I hope you two understand is that the love and support you two recieve from this board is the REAL DEAL and will remain so no matter what happens. May you both prosper even if you are apart. Ramon And Dave? If you EVER again feel that you need to sleep so bad that you will blow up? Drink 8oz of warm milk and go lie down and read a book...it seems to work real well for me. Peace be with you both. |
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