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(Message started by: kimmeesue on Oct 19th, 2005, 2:41pm)
Title: Hotel Rwanda
Post by kimmeesue on Oct 19th, 2005, 2:41pm
Watched this movie last night and it gave me a whole new perspective on US foreign relations.
The atrocities there were no less than those in the middle east so why did the US not have a presence there?  I'm about to jump on the "it's all about the oil" bandwagon.
I have never thought of myself as politically naive, but am beginning to wonder if I just eat up what the media feeds me.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jonny on Oct 19th, 2005, 2:45pm

on 10/19/05 at 14:41:12, kimmeesue wrote:
 I'm about to jump on the "it's all about the oil" bandwagon.


We are in Iraq for one reason, to protect the donkeys ;;D

Night vision in Iraq

http://www.m90.org/gallery/video/nightvisiondonkeysex0-2262.wmv
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by ghost62 on Oct 19th, 2005, 2:48pm
we where ask Bill Cliton why we pulled out when he never did and of course he never inhaled either.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by maffumatt on Oct 19th, 2005, 3:07pm
The UN was in there but the security council wouldn't reinforce the troops there or give them authority to act. Clinton would not act without their go ahead.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Bondservant on Oct 19th, 2005, 3:22pm
Couple of comments:

I've stayed in that hotel a couple of times.  Been to Rwanda several times.  We were obligated to help under the 1948 Genocide Convention which we signed.

Madeleine Albright, as UN Ambassador, vetoed UN resolution for an intervention, so of course Clinton had no go-ahead - his own ambassador vetoed any chance of stopping the slaughter.  
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by ghost62 on Oct 19th, 2005, 3:32pm
sad huh? :'(
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by kimmeesue on Oct 19th, 2005, 3:39pm
Oh, man.  Man's inhumanity to man knows no bounds.  We in the US have no idea what real strife is.  I find myself wondering why I haven't done more with my life.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Dads angel on Oct 19th, 2005, 6:27pm
Situations like Rowanda make me embarrased to be an American. I have a palistinian (sp?) family for neighbors and everytime I see them I want to appologize to them. I want to tell them I'm sorry Mr. Bush is killing off your sons and daughters. It makes me want to cry just thinking about how many innocent Iraqies and U.S. military troops are being killed. Mankind has got to learn to stop being so power hungry. John Lennon-Imagine The world we should strive for.  
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by thebbz on Oct 19th, 2005, 6:56pm
:)
Truly our government sucks. But I have to look at the fact Sadam Insane in fact as a dictator was an active weapon of mass destruction. He slaughtered millions. Not to mention what he did to the environment. I lift my head and am proud our government had a lead in removing him from power. Too bad we couldn't look right at genocide going on right now in places other than Bagdad. [smiley=twocents.gif]
BB
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jonny on Oct 19th, 2005, 7:14pm

on 10/19/05 at 18:27:26, Dads angel wrote:
Situations like Rowanda make me embarrased to be an American. I have a palistinian (sp?) family for neighbors and everytime I see them I want to appologize to them. I want to tell them I'm sorry Mr. Bush is killing off your sons and daughters. It makes me want to cry just thinking about how many innocent Iraqies and U.S. military troops are being killed. Mankind has got to learn to stop being so power hungry. John Lennon-Imagine The world we should strive for.  


Im gonna give you a pass on this....only cause I love ya and your cute.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by maffumatt on Oct 19th, 2005, 7:28pm
Damned if you do Damned if you dont...............
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Charlie on Oct 19th, 2005, 10:33pm
Incredibly rich Republicans are making billions of dollars selling weapons to kill an enemy that doesn't much value life by borrowing from the Chinese which means
that our kids will be paying back a Communist country with compound interest.

Charlie
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by rumplestiltskin on Oct 20th, 2005, 1:37am
Since I read and listen to alternative sources...ie non commercial...i was aware of the atrocities and who and why we were looking the other way...and the demonic bigotry that spawned it....it took me a long time to get to the point where i could watch that movie. Sounds like you were touched in all the right places by the film...

Your discomfort is refreshing.

It is far easier to accept the corporate amerikan party line...be spoon fed by Clear Channel...and scream "my country right or wrong"...far easier...than seeing the truth of what our gov't is actually doing to the rest of the world...to it's own...Our minds don't want to believe that our youth are being slaughtered...taught to torture...all in the name of power and greed....flying the flag of "freedom"...draping coffin after coffin with the rationalization of "freedom"....cause....we cannot handle the discomfort of the shame and guilt.

Don't believe me?

Just watch...

Wage peace
den
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Bondservant on Oct 20th, 2005, 2:57pm
Rumplestiltskin:  Just returned from the Middle East a couple of weeks ago.  Every one of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and civilians there are doing eveything they can to stop the senseless slaughter of Iraqis by Zarqawi and other terrorists.  Each is a volunteer and committed to the cause.  They are prepared to die to protect your right to call them torturers and demean their sacrifice.  It grieves me that you think so little of them, yet are willing to take advantage of the freedom they are fighting to be so critical.  NONE of our soldiers are beheading Iraqis, dragging  and mutilating their bodies or setting them aflame.  You seem confused about who is doing what to whom over there.  

So we are clear, while I fault the Clinton administration for not intervening in Rwanda, they are not responsible for the killing.  The Hutu militias and Hutu power government did that.  
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jonny on Oct 20th, 2005, 3:10pm

on 10/20/05 at 14:57:21, Bondservant wrote:
Rumplestiltskin:  Just returned from the Middle East a couple of weeks ago.  Every one of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and civilians there are doing eveything they can to stop the senseless slaughter of Iraqis by Zarqawi and other terrorists.  Each is a volunteer and committed to the cause.  They are prepared to die to protect your right to call them torturers and demean their sacrifice.  It grieves me that you think so little of them, yet are willing to take advantage of the freedom they are fighting to be so critical.  NONE of our soldiers are beheading Iraqis, dragging  and mutilating their bodies or setting them aflame.  You seem confused about who is doing what to whom over there.  

So we are clear, while I fault the Clinton administration for not intervening in Rwanda, they are not responsible for the killing.  The Hutu militias and Hutu power government did that.  


I like this new Dude ;;D

Welcome aboard!!
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by maffumatt on Oct 20th, 2005, 3:37pm
ditto
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Bondservant on Oct 20th, 2005, 11:08pm
Pleased to be here!  
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by floridian on Oct 22nd, 2005, 4:55pm

on 10/20/05 at 14:57:21, Bondservant wrote:
 NONE of our soldiers are beheading Iraqis, dragging  and mutilating their bodies or setting them aflame.  You seem confused about who is doing what to whom over there.  


No, we are only burning the bodies of Afghanis and then taunting the villagers over loudspeakers.  Just a minor violation of the Geneva convention,  something that we found deplorable in Fallujah, but which we do ourselves in other places.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16988322%255E663,00.html

And President Bush, who hasn't vetoed any bill to date, is threatening to veto John McCain's law banning torture should it pass.  Why in the name of Abu Graib would President Bush be opposed to laws that made torture a crime??  
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/3397077


And then there is the American soldier who is suffering permanent brain damage he incurred while he was stationed in Guantanamo bay.  He was told to put on a prisoners uniform for a training exercise.  A few of his fellow freedom loving humanitarian soldiers beat the living shit out of him, not stopping until they ripped his jump suit and saw the US uniform underneath.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/iraq/bal-te.gitmo19jun19,1,3124172.story?coll=bal-iraq-headlines

No sir, no cannibalism in this man's navy.  
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1479069,00.html
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jonny on Oct 22nd, 2005, 5:22pm

on 10/22/05 at 16:55:07, floridian wrote:
And then there is the American soldier who is suffering permanent brain damage he incurred while he was stationed in Guantanamo bay.  ]


LMAO....I sued three people and got 30 grand.....I wasent even hurt.....weak, Flo.....dude is just looking for a payday.

As for the prison....you call that torture?.......LMMFAO ;;D
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by kimmeesue on Oct 24th, 2005, 4:00pm

on 10/20/05 at 14:57:21, Bondservant wrote:
So we are clear, while I fault the Clinton administration for not intervening in Rwanda, they are not responsible for the killing.  The Hutu militias and Hutu power government did that.  


I realize we weren't responsible.  Neither are we responsible for what goes on in the rest of the world.  My concern is what motivates us to intervene in one place and not another.  The US can't be the savior to the entire world at such a great cost to our own people.  And I am not just speaking politically.
Exactly who appointed us God?
Certainly not a new idea, just one that has troubled me more of late.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Charlie on Oct 24th, 2005, 7:40pm

Quote:
Exactly who appointed us God?
Certainly not a new idea, just one that has troubled me more of late.


It's just that since WWII, we've had the wherewithall to be pretty fuckin' obnoxious. http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/kampf/38.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

We'll get over it some day.

Charlie



Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by karma on Oct 25th, 2005, 10:36am

Quote:
LMAO....I sued three people and got 30 grand.....I wasent even hurt

From the same dude that has a problem with the court system giving illegal, workers benefits.

I guess the sytem only works when your ripping someone off.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by seasonalboomer on Oct 25th, 2005, 10:58am
okay, I'm back from vacaction...

As Rwanda and the movie Hotel Rwanda, I will first say that I haven't wept at a film before in my life until this one. Sure a tear in the eye for every sad movie, but this one I was weeping.

Now, before everyone thinks, oh, what a wanker.

The sad thing is not simply that the U.S. didn't follow up on these issues, its that that Israel and the world's Jews stayed silent, inspite of the many who have committed "never again". "Never again to us", I guess. Or that the many other countries, who have had far greater involvement in Rwanda didn't do what they should have. Belgium, France and the rest of the light blue caps that make up the U.N. forces.

As for the repeated testimony by U.S. officials regarding the technical definition between "genocide" and "geneocidal-like-behavior", that is the part that made me isck ot my stomach regarding our (yes, all of our) complicit inaction.

Just sad.

Scott
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Pinkfloyd on Oct 25th, 2005, 11:54am

on 10/20/05 at 01:37:57, rumplestiltskin wrote:
It is far easier to accept the corporate amerikan party line...be spoon fed by Clear Channel...and scream "my country right or wrong"...far easier...than seeing the truth of what our gov't is actually doing to the rest of the world...to it's own...den



Your famous "take what you need and leave the rest" is good enough for this society (ch.com), but not the world at large?
You advocate taking from here and not trying to make it a better place, just USE it. Just let all the B*llsh*t go on around you as long as you get what you need.
I guess our government is just following your advice. We take what we need and leave the rest according to you. Maybe Bush/Clinton et al got your message.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by kimmeesue on Oct 25th, 2005, 12:09pm
Have we not become the omnipotent moral busybodies to whom C.S. Lewis referred?
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by CHTom on Oct 25th, 2005, 2:10pm
Your remarks about the Jews is proof that you're a wanker, Seasonal.  Maybe you should say what you wrote on a street in Tel Aviv and see what happens to you.  I hope that DJ pulls those disgusting anti-Semetic remarks and puts them in a trash can, along with the "person" who wrote them.  Disgusting.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by maffumatt on Oct 25th, 2005, 2:32pm
Kinda like the UK site did to you ? Wanker John.............
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jonny on Oct 25th, 2005, 2:35pm

on 10/25/05 at 14:32:40, maffumatt wrote:
Kinda like the UK site did to you ? Wanker John.............


LMMFAO....Touche' Bro....LMAO!!! ;;D
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by LeLimey on Oct 25th, 2005, 2:51pm
Typical John.. and weak. If you want to deliberately misconstrue Scotts words then go ahead. He also mentioned Belgians French and the US too as well as Israel and I don't see Ronny and Rex kicking off.

You love to try and stir the pot - well we're wise to you now and we ain't biting so go and fish elsewhere
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by kimmeesue on Oct 25th, 2005, 3:28pm
Thank you Helen.
I know you can't control where a thread goes but I certainly didn't intend for some ignorant, misanthropic boor to hijack it for his own purposes.
As to everyone else, thank you for giving me more to think about.
Kim
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Pinkfloyd on Oct 25th, 2005, 3:30pm

on 10/25/05 at 12:09:17, kimmeesue wrote:
Have we not become the omnipotent moral busybodies to whom C.S. Lewis referred?


Well, I guess that if we (as in the USA) were, then you wouldn't have started this thread. I'm not saying you shouldn't have started it, or don't have every right to voice your opinion and seek such a debate.
The debate IS and will always be, where each person wants us to be omnipotent moral busybodies. It's not a matter of having a list of places to go, it's just who you think should be number one on the list.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by seasonalboomer on Oct 25th, 2005, 3:31pm

on 10/25/05 at 14:10:13, CHTom wrote:
Your remarks about the Jews is proof that you're a wanker, Seasonal.  Maybe you should say what you wrote on a street in Tel Aviv and see what happens to you.  I hope that DJ pulls those disgusting anti-Semetic remarks and puts them in a trash can, along with the "person" who wrote them.  Disgusting.


Tom,

If anything you are consistent. Amazing you can take my comments and label me in that way. I've actually read deeply on the genocide that occured in Rwanda as well viewed the film which started this thread. I've visited the horrible concentration camps in Germany and built a pretty good understanding of the horrible abuses of the souls that passed through that system. I've done my homework on this one pal and feel quite comfortable commenting as I've done here.

It is pitiful that the governments of the world (and the UN in particular) allowed this to happen. We all have a part in this. Our local news concentrates on gore and petty crime. Our newspapers concentrate on football stadiums and clothing sales. Why should we have all been bothered by this news when it was occuring? In this case it was also pitiful that Jews, who have made such a point of wanting to make sure such a thing never occurred again on this planet, and have used this as a rallying cry for decades sat silent. As a people they could have made the transition from crying out of victimhood for change to being a cry for world action on behalf of others. An opportunity missed. The U.S. was sadly complicit in its ignoring the reaility of what was occuring. There are many peoples that are complicit in not coming to the aid of the victims of Rwanda.

Just as they are in Darfur today.

So you want to go at it and call me an anti-semite? I say simply, yeah, right. Sure Tom. My comments stand for themselves here and are above going to name calling on this thread.

Scott
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by kimmeesue on Oct 25th, 2005, 3:39pm

on 10/25/05 at 15:30:02, Pinkfloyd wrote:
Well, I guess that if we (as in the USA) were, then you wouldn't have started this thread. I'm not saying you shouldn't have started it, or don't have every right to voice your opinion and seek such a debate.
The debate IS and will always be, where each person wants us to be omnipotent moral busybodies. It's not a matter of having a list of places to go, it's just who you think should be number one on the list.


I FIRMLY believe we should offer aide.  What I question is our objective.  ARE WE "WHEREEVER" as a means to an end for our own benefit?  Did we ultimately stay out of Rwanda because there was  "nothing in it for us"?  Do we have the expectation that the whole world should be just like us, whether they want to be or not?
When there is so much atrocity in the world, how do we pick and choose?  THAT is why I started this thread.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by LeLimey on Oct 25th, 2005, 3:42pm
Anyone who wants to know Johns attitude towards Africa need only ask anyone who posts on OUCH UK about his posts re Live Aid. Our archives are down at the moment or I'd link to them.
Ask Mrs Mac or Highlander, RedTaz or our Carrie (Lizzie2). They've all seen his double standards however that time he was all for leaving them to get on with killing themselves off and us not interfering.
Whilst this thread is potentially inflamnatory the debate has been civilised and respectful and I for one would hate to see it kick off into something else just to satisfy John's megalomania
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by nani on Oct 25th, 2005, 3:51pm
Very civilized debate.
I couldn't watch the movie beyond the first half hour, it made me ill. I often wish I could just bury my head in the sand, this kinda stuff literally hurts my heart.  :'(
peace... and love.
nani
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jasmyn on Oct 25th, 2005, 4:32pm
This is Africa, learn more... before you get in arguments with others over things you don't have a clue about and only seen a movie.  My hat off to the forces that always come to aid.

This is daily life, politics and poverty.  Nations are helping where they can but this is a big task, a different culture and a huge continent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4371388.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4375594.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4374134.stm

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1823202,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/africa_sierra_leone_amputee/html/1.stm

http://www.mg.co.za/articleList.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__africa/ (read the more headlines on this one)

http://www.wnafrica.com/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/africa_togo0s_voodoo_market/html/1.stm

... and a little info
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jasmyn on Oct 25th, 2005, 4:44pm
Something about where I live:

http://www.ilo.org/public/english/employment/skills/training/publ/pub13.htm#c2

I can go out now and take photo's of the thousands of amputees, landmine victims and bombed buildings still here.  The poverty, killings(outside my house), AIDS victims and starving children, the bombed out hospitals where people lay on the dirty floors in the corridors, the bombed buildings that children go in 3 shifts to school... etc, etc...
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jonny on Oct 25th, 2005, 4:53pm

on 10/25/05 at 10:36:47, karma wrote:
From the same dude that has a problem with the court system giving illegal, workers benefits.

I guess the sytem only works when your ripping someone off.


Gee, here I am paying taxes all these years and get a chance to make some coin on the insurance companies that are bending us all over and that!.....puts me right up there with felons that are sucking my taxes dollars they do not deserve?

Karma, when you live here and pay taxes, maybe....just maybe I will give a shit what you have to say....DUH!!

Hey Jas.....about time your cute ass posted in this thread
:-*
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by karma on Oct 25th, 2005, 5:15pm

Quote:
Karma, when you live here and pay taxes, maybe....just maybe I will give a shit what you have to say....DUH!!

Doesn't much matter to me if you give a shit or not. stealing is stealing no matter where your from or what language you speak.

Quote:
puts me right down there with felons that are sucking my taxes dollars they do not deserve?

YUP!
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jonny on Oct 25th, 2005, 5:25pm

on 10/25/05 at 17:15:21, karma wrote:
Doesn't much matter to me if you give a shit or not. stealing is stealing no matter where your from or what language you speak.


............................. :-*
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by LeLimey on Oct 25th, 2005, 5:32pm

on 10/25/05 at 17:15:21, karma wrote:
Doesn't much matter to me if you give a shit or not. stealing is stealing no matter where your from or what language you speak.
YUP!


So this applies to then to illegal immigrants who come to work without paying any taxes and expect benefits that bone fide citizens who aren't working through illness but who have paid taxes in the past can't have?



Pardon me while I puke
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jonny on Oct 25th, 2005, 5:43pm

on 10/25/05 at 17:32:01, LeLimey wrote:
Pardon me while I puke


Its ok, Helen.....thats why he got a  :-* ...instead of me trying to explain how the goverment takes 50% of my pay check every week and gives it to felons.

Guess you have to live it to know it ;;D
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jasmyn on Oct 25th, 2005, 6:23pm
Just to let you guys know we still keep our sense of humour despite our loss of sense:

Top reasons for being South African

•      There is always someone with a bigger beer gut than yours.
•      You can eat worms and half-dried raw meat without being called disgusting.
•      Nothing is your fault; you can blame it on the past.
•      Unrivalled job prospects for those unburdened with training, skills or experience.
•      Where else could a President wear his pyjama jacket to State functions and get away with it?
•      We are responsible for some of mankind's most important creations: the Kreepy Krawly ..... and ..... um .....
•      You can experience lousy service in 11 languages.
•      You can enjoy oranges with 45% alcohol content at rugby matches.
•      It's the only country in the world where people dance to show how angry they are.
•      Our police are first on the scene of any crime - without being called.
•      You needn't bother trying to keep up with the Joneses. They've emigrated.
•      You're considered clumsy if you can't drive, operate a cell phone and CD player, smoke a cigarette and drink a beer - all at the same time.
•      It beats being American (HA-HA).
•      You get to try all the epidemics first.
•      Can blame colonialism/oppression for everything.
•      Don't need penis enlargements.
•      Can make new words by adding E.
•      Don't need to worry about paying rent.
•      Have excellent engineering skills to make spears, the wheel etc.
•      Will not be recognized in a line up.
•      Always have white teeth.
•      Words like 'Maybe', 'Actually', 'What-I-am-saying', 'As-a-matter-of-fact' 'Regime', can make you sound smarter than you really are.

You know you're South African when.....

•      Votes have to be recounted until the right party wins.
•      When illegal immigrants leave the country because the crime rate is too high.
•      The police ask you if they must follow up on the burglary you've just reported.
•      When a murderer gets a 2 year sentence and a pirate TV viewer 6 months.
•      The prisoners strike!
•      You can't make a phone call because the copper cables have been stolen.
•      The police stations have panic buttons to call armed response when they are burgled.

Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by karma on Oct 25th, 2005, 6:37pm
If its any comfort, illegal migration is not unique to the U.S. or the U.K.
Its clear that you guys have no idea why people immigrate to find work. Its clear that you have no idea the dangers that people go through to try and make a buck. Its also clear that you are condeming the wrong people when you should be condeming the sytems that allow it.
When you have pulled body parts of illegal migrants out of the ocean, body parts of once whole humane beings now mangled by sharks,
When you have rescued drowning migrants from a certain horrid death,
When you have seen migrants left stranded on deserted islands with no food or water,
When you have seen children and babies die of exposure or abandonment come and talk to me about what makes you puke.  

Yea I guess your right. You gotta live it to know it.
50% of your paycheck? I'll but what goes unreported more than makes up for that.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Jonny on Oct 25th, 2005, 6:47pm

on 10/25/05 at 18:37:02, karma wrote:
Its clear that you guys have no idea why people immigrate to find work........ Guess what, I dont give a fuck...not my problem! Its clear that you have no idea the dangers that people go through to try and make a buck...... Again, not my problem, why make it mine? Its also clear that you are condeming the wrong people when you should be condeming the sytems that allow it..... Bush BLOWS when it comes to the border!
When you have pulled body parts of illegal migrants out of the ocean, body parts of once whole humane beings now mangled by sharks,
When you have rescued drowning migrants from a certain horrid death,
When you have seen migrants left stranded on deserted islands with no food or water,
When you have seen children and babies die of exposure or abandonment come and talk to me about what makes you puke..... Again, not my fucking problem!  

Yea I guess your right. You gotta live it to know it.
50% of your paycheck? I'll but what goes unreported more than makes up for that..... And I bet your are as pure as snow, huh?.....LOL


GET REAL!!!
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by pattik on Oct 25th, 2005, 7:25pm
CBS news just did a story on the scope of the illegal immigration problem--including non-Mexican immigrants who actually try to get caught because they know they can just tell a lie and walk away.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/24/eveningnews/main971789.shtml
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by CHTom on Oct 25th, 2005, 11:20pm
Had Seasonal just listed Israel as one of a number of countries, I would have no problem with that, but what he did, Helen, was condemn Jews in general.  He didn't condemn Christians who, after all, control the Western World and are therefore in a much better position to take action.  It is revealing of your character-and his-that attacking Jews in general (the World Wide Jewish Conspiracy?) appears to be acceptable to you.  Sieg Heil!
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by maffumatt on Oct 25th, 2005, 11:28pm
Oh man, your a nut. Put the crack pipe down you've had enough.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by CHTom on Oct 25th, 2005, 11:55pm

on 10/25/05 at 23:28:24, maffumatt wrote:
Oh man, your a nut. Put the crack pipe down you've had enough.


"you're" not "your"
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by maffumatt on Oct 26th, 2005, 12:05am
"you're"  still a nut.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by CHTom on Oct 26th, 2005, 12:11am
:)
and you are a sweetheart :D
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by maffumatt on Oct 26th, 2005, 12:16am
Whats wrong John? Still here? What are you doing, looking for another woman to harrass.

Sweetcheeks
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by rumplestiltskin on Oct 26th, 2005, 1:47am

Quote:
Posted by: Pinkfloyd Posted on: Oct 25th, 2005, 11:54am
Your famous "take what you need and leave the rest" is good enough for this society (ch.com), but not the world at large?
You advocate taking from here and not trying to make it a better place, just USE it. Just let all the B*llsh*t go on around you as long as you get what you need.
I guess our government is just following your advice. We take what we need and leave the rest according to you. Maybe Bush/Clinton et al got your message.
 


I"advocate taking from here and not trying to make it a better place, just USE it."????

...starin at the screen...typin....deletin...typin...deletin...shaken my head...

"Takin my own advice"....smilin

Wage peace
den
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by LeLimey on Oct 26th, 2005, 3:38am

on 10/25/05 at 23:20:10, CHTom wrote:
 It is revealing of your character-and his-that attacking Jews in general (the World Wide Jewish Conspiracy?) appears to be acceptable to you.  Sieg Heil!


Oh wow you really are stooping now aren't you John?!
I'm not a racist and I never will be but you know what? I couldn't care less what you think or say because with you everything is a sound bite and everything is said purely to povoke.
Like I've said before John, you aren't worth it. You are a sad little man with no life whose day consists solely of provoking crap on the internet - not even having fun?!!
This all says alot more about you than it does about me
and to be honest, as well as laughing at you I really pity you because I've never known anyone so pathetic before.
Have you considered psychotherapy? I think it could help you alot
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by ghost62 on Oct 26th, 2005, 3:55am
rasist?
give me a freakn break!

Look butt plug, john, tom, whatever you want to call your self today, go to wherever trolls go to recharge and just stay there. as much as i like slamming you I am getting tired of your personal attacks on people and your blatant attempts to humiliate people trying to just get through day to day life with the pain we have to live with. There is alot of good people with differing opinions here but we do at least try to refrain from personal attacks, where as you seem to go after people I guess for your own amusement and pleasure.
Oh and before you get the chance to correct my spelling
STFU I really dont care if everything is spelled or puncuated correctly.
Title: Re: Hotel Rwanda
Post by Lizzie2 on Oct 26th, 2005, 8:08am

on 10/26/05 at 03:38:27, LeLimey wrote:
Have you considered psychotherapy? I think it could help you alot



Hahaha Oh man we need to catch up on gossip again!!  The other night at 2:30am, I got really pissed at something (you'll laugh when you hear why.....) and I finally threw up my hands and said,  "Good Gawd!  This kind of shit is what keeps therapists employed."  IM me...cuz you really gotta hear the story.  ;)

Luvya,
Carrie :)


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