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(Message started by: Heather75 on Oct 17^th, 2005, 8:20pm)

Title: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Heather75 on Oct 17^th, 2005, 8:20pm

As seen on TV...

It's Amazing!

It's a Cluster Headaches Remedy!

This product just has to work, because it's so new and kewl! ::)

http://www.cluster-headaches-remedy.com

Better yet, just donate the $30 bucks to charity and stick a big pillow under yer head.

Anyone in the mood to send hate mail? >:(

Cheers!
Heather

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Redd715 on Oct 17^th, 2005, 8:26pm

OMFG

Looks comfy as hell, but stop clusters? They have GOT to be kidding.

I'd get one just for the comfort factor, but I think I'll pass on the cluster cure all.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by rextangle on Oct 17^th, 2005, 8:48pm

Now I know what you're getting me for x-mas, that's freakin great! Thanks honey [smiley=headbanger.gif]

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Carl_D on Oct 17^th, 2005, 9:03pm

Now I know I am alseep and dreaming this...
NO ONE COULD BE THAT FUCKING STUPID!!!!!!!

That's a pillow you sit on while you receive oral stimulation. ;;D

Sent in an order and got this reply:

Dear Sir, we cannot accept your payment as it is in Monopoly money, as anyone knows is not real.

I responded:
That is fine, as anyone with cluster headaches knows you're product is not real!

Still slap-happy,
Carl D

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Heather75 on Oct 17^th, 2005, 9:11pm

Redd, I doubt it'd work either :( Wouldn't be nice if it did? Hmpf.

Vig, that's what I thought too.

Rex, you know it's coming :P

LOL Carl! Monopoly Money Rules! Chinese Hell Notes are even better. Just remember to always keep a "Get out of jail free" card around at all times.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by AussieBrian on Oct 17^th, 2005, 9:27pm

The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

That's all I got. Maybe we broke it.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Barry_T_Coles on Oct 17^th, 2005, 9:33pm

on 10/17/05 at 21:27:18, AussieBrian wrote:

I got the same messages but instead of adjusting the browser I adjusted me jocky shorts and feel much better now. [smiley=laugh.gif]
Barry

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Heather75 on Oct 17^th, 2005, 9:36pm

Weeee!

Broken Jockey Shorts!

:)

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by AussieBrian on Oct 17^th, 2005, 9:47pm

Hey, it's working again (the ad, not the shorts) and all I can say is that thing would kill me during a hit.

On top of that, and just to prove how little they know about CH, they've even used a woman in the photo!

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Linda_Howell on Oct 17^th, 2005, 10:24pm

Quote:

just to prove how little they know about CH, they've even used a woman in the photo!

>:( >:( >:(

I see you've been playing footsies with Bob Pahlow Brian. >:(

Linda

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by cootie on Oct 17^th, 2005, 11:02pm

I clicked onto a highlighted word group about info on clusters and this is what came up off that site......WTF ? Sum of the stuff is listed twice cuz it was all links but didn't get to check them out and see WHERE OR WHERE they'd take me yet. Get rich quick crap Pam

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PS:...update......well one of these links took me to THERE web site area with chirpractor info under diagnoseing cluster headaches. So can just imagine where these other words/links are goin to take me for my reading pleasure. Sumone needs to change that pic of the chick at the top on the web page usein that pillow accurately that is good with pics......she needs a red eye.....viens sticking out of her head and whatever else goes with it as she lays there haveing a nice and neat attack for the camera.

Title: sumbitchs
Post by rumplestiltskin on Oct 18^th, 2005, 12:08am

here's the letter i sent em

I am a real clusterhead. Whoever is selling this crap should have a real cluster headache in place of any money they scam from their efforts....just one would do.

dennis

PS: Please go to the Organization for Understanding Clusterheadaches O.U.C.H. and try to scam them with this and while your at it...go to the clusterheadaches.com message board and ask for Jonny...I'm sure he'll help you.

love
den

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by zanychef on Oct 18^th, 2005, 12:47am

think i'll get one for my girlfriend it will help her see over the steering wheel when shes driving!!!!! ;;D
only good use i can see for it......... ;)

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Dave_Emond on Oct 18^th, 2005, 12:48am

Bottom of the page:

Quote:

Important: We are not engaged in rendering medical advice or professional services. Any medical decisions should be made in consultation with your physician. We will not be held liable for any complications, injuries or other medical accidents arising from, or in connection with, the use of, or reliance upon any information on the web.

Uh ... NO SHIT!
I don't know about everyone else ... but I HAVE to keep my head propped UP and stable to avoid as many CH attacks as possible!
Dave

Oh Yeah ... it may take a day to write, but yep ... I can't let this go without without saying something to these scammers and I'll wait until I'm in that real bad mood ;)

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Charlie on Oct 18^th, 2005, 1:25am

LOL. You can buy those cushions all night long from infomercials, I think. Super. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/headhurts.gif

Kevin Trudeau is my favorite informercial felon. He wrote a book called Natural Cures or something. The only book that has sold more on this side of the Atlantic is the latest Harry Pottler. Dumbth. http://kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/other/fie.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Charlie http://fool.exler.ru/sm/budo.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by BarbaraD on Oct 18^th, 2005, 6:17am

So let me get this straight...... [smiley=huh.gif] If I buy this pillow I'll suffer NO MORE?????

I'm so excited to be getting rid of my CH and my Migraines.... And to think a PILLOW can do it all..... (of course the fine print says I need massage therapy and some peppermint and lavendar oils - just to be on the safe side).

Hugs BD

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Sandy_C on Oct 18^th, 2005, 7:54am

I clicked on a bunch of those links and not one of them went anywhere except back to the same page! So much for all of their valuable "information" that you can't get to to read.

Start warming up those typing fingers, guys and gals, it's letter writing time! >:(

Sandy

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Langa on Oct 18^th, 2005, 8:00am

Wow!
I need two of those...one for my neck and one for my ass...

Jerks!

Langa

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by JenniferD on Oct 18^th, 2005, 8:13am

on 10/18/05 at 00:48:37, Dave_Emond wrote:

Bottom of the page:

Oh Yeah ... it may take a day to write, but yep ... I can't let this go without without saying something to these scammers and I'll wait until I'm in that real bad mood ;)

>:( I have an attitude.......... and I am fully prepared to use it.
Letter writing is my specialty. the mf'ers better start cowering.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Oct 18^th, 2005, 8:43am

I have a pillow very similar to that one and it works great for neck pain. The only time I ever use it is when my neck is hurting and I'm NOT in cycle.

When I am in cycle, this pillow works as more of a trigger than anything. I don't know why it does but, if I'm in cycle, sleeping on this pillow makes it worse.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by seasonalboomer on Oct 18^th, 2005, 9:01am

when i went the chiropractor route I remember the chiro telling me that in addition to what he was doing in the office that one of these great pillows would really help with the curvature of my spinal cord and augment his efforts adjusting my neck and so forth.

i bought one.

it's nice but it didn't do boo for my headaches.
Looks as though in this one you could just hand your head off the side the bed and accomplish the same thing. :-/

scott

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Gator on Oct 18^th, 2005, 9:12am

This kind of crap just burns my biscuits. This ought to draw some fire:

Quote:

Dear Scam Artists,

There are products designed to rob unsuspecting buyers of their money everywhere you look on the internet and I have just found another. It is the Soothe-A-Ciser® Headache Relief Cushion. You people are the worst type of thieves, especially a so-called doctor who would use his or her name to lend credibility to a sham. The thought that a pillow can cure a condition caused by a malformation of the brain is ludicrous. That's like saying a new steering wheel cover will correct a misaligned front end on an automobile.

According to research from the leading doctors in the study of cluster headaches, sufferers appear to have extra grey matter on the same side as the pain. No amount of re-aligning the neck will fix this malformation. Maybe you should actually read the entire medical description before you start claiming to be able to fix a, so far, incurable disorder.

From the IHS Guidelines ICHDII, page 45:

Acute attacks involve ***activation of the posterior hypothalamic grey matter. *** NOT by any mispositioning of the neck.

I find your attempt to prey upon people suffering excruciating pain offensive to say the least and bordering on criminal at best. I ask that you remove any mention of cluster headaches from your advertising immediately as there is currently no known cure, least of all a pillow, for a malfunctioning hypothalamus. You can rest assured that the word is already being put out in the cluster headache community about your intentionally false advertising. You have no doubt heard from other cluster headache sufferers and will be hearing from more before the day is out.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Gator on Oct 18^th, 2005, 11:30am

Well, that didn't take long. Here is the reply to my e-mail (part 1). He is using information from THIS website to justify selling this pillow:

Quote:

Thanks for your email. I surely understand why you have reached the opinions you have about cluster headaches. There is certainly a lot of “medical” information about cluster headaches that disagree with my “chiropractic” philosophy of health. I have practiced chiropractic for 25 years and have gotten to know many headache sufferers. They are wonderful people, and I truly have only one motive, to help them relieve their terrible symptoms.

I am not in the business of selling pillows to make a profit at the headache-sufferers expense. I am truly in the business of helping people, whether you believe it or not. If a cluster headache sufferer purchases my Soothe-A-Ciser Headache Cushion and does not get relief I have a refund policy where they can get their money back. There is no harm that will come to a cluster headache patient by lying on my cushion for a few minutes. But maybe, just maybe, it might help them.

Certainly not all cluster headaches are caused by neck problems, and I am the first to admit that. But in my opinion some cluster headache symptoms very likely originate from neck problems, and if this is the case then my cushion may help some of those people. Do you think I should stop selling a cushion that might help some cluster headaches patients just because you or anyone else has a different opinion as to what causes them?

Nobody knows exactly what causes cluster headaches, not you, not me, not anyone. People can only offer educated guesses based on their research or experiences. There are probably many causes of cluster headaches, and I have done enough research to have formed an opinion that some cluster headaches are caused by neck problems. I sincerely believe that.

Some researches may see an end result, such as a lesion for example, in a certain area, and then form the opinion that this lesion is the cause of the symptoms. And surely, this could very well be. But what causes the lesion? If you trace it all back to the beginning it may very well be that the lesion is caused by nerve interference to the area of lesion.

If I may I would like to give you some information from my perspective. The pain of a cluster headache usually begins in, around, or above the eye or the temple, but occasionally in the face, neck, ear, or hemi cranium (Sutherland and Eadie, 1972). My question is “why do think some cluster headaches might begin in the neck?”

In approximately 70 percent of patients with cluster headaches, the carotid artery is palpably tender at several points in the neck (Raskin and Prusiner, 1977). Do you think it might be possible that this “neck symptom” of a cluster headache patient could mean that the neck had something to do with the headache?

Here is some information that is available at http://www.clusterheadaches.com/about.html#CLINICAL%20FEATURES:

“A transitory, partial Horner's syndrome (pupillary miosis and lid ptosis) occurs in two-thirds of patients when they are examined during attacks (Ekbom, 1970a) and is a useful sign in the differential diagnosis of facial pain. It is highly characteristic of the cluster headache syndrome and, after repeated occurrences, it may become a permanent feature (Riley and Moyer, 1971; Nieman and Hurwitz, 1961).”

“The localization of the sympathetic lesion is of some interest. The ocular sympathetic innervation is a three-neuron pathway, comprising a first-order neuron: posterolateral hypothalamus to cord levels of C8 to T3 (the ciliospinal center of Budge); a second-order neuron: (preganglionic) ciliospinal center to super cervical ganglion; and a third-order neuron: (post-ganglionic) superior cervical ganglion to the pupillary dilator muscle, the eyelid muscles, and the facial sweat glands. It is believed by many observers that in cluster headache, involvement of the third-order neuron accounts for Horner's syndrome, which occurs as the result of distention of the wall of the internal carotid artery in the carotid canal, thus compressing the sympathetic plexus that invests the carotid wall.”

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Gator on Oct 18^th, 2005, 11:31am

Doc Johnson reply part 2:

Quote:

So where is the cervical ganglion? It’s in the neck. Is it not possible that irritation to the cervical ganglion, because of a neck problem, could be one of the reasons or causes of facial pain, which occurs in two-thirds of cluster headache patients?

The cranial nerves pass down into the spinal canal (in the neck) before they travel back up to different regions of the head. Isn’t it possible that a neck problem could put pressure on or irritate those nerves, causing some cluster headache symptoms? My opinion, based on my 4 years of chiropractic education and 25 years of chiropractic practice, is that some cluster headache patients have their symptoms due to neck problems. This is who I am targeting with my Soothe-A-Ciser Headache Cushion, people I think the pillow will help.

I hope you can now realize that I truly believe my cushion can help some of these cluster headache sufferers. If I didn’t believe it I wouldn’t be selling it. Just because I sell a product it doesn’t mean I am trying to unscrupulously make a profit from someone else’s misery and pain. You certainly have the wrong idea about me because this is not what I am doing. I hope you will understand that my motive is based on helping people with their pain, not in making a quick buck.

Sincerely,

Dr. Larry A. Johnson, D.C.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by rextangle on Oct 18^th, 2005, 12:59pm

Beautiful email Mike! What a load of crap reply you got! ;;D

I just checked and the site looks like it's... gone!
Your mighty tinfoil hat did it again!
If it comes back, I'm writing too. They're wasting a good URL:
http://www.cluster-headaches-remedy.com
Fuckers!

What's next? Chia Pets to cure cancer?
Grrrrrr >:(

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by sandie99 on Oct 18^th, 2005, 1:13pm

No matter what I do, I can only see this when I click the link:

There is No Index File

If you are seeing this message then that means that there is no index file here and you are not allowed to see a directory listing of the files here.
The owner of the site needs to upload an index file to be the default file to be viewed.

But apparently I haven't really lost anything that important and revelutionary.

Sanna :)

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Oct 18^th, 2005, 1:20pm

There is No Index File

If you are seeing this message then that means that there is no index file here and you are not allowed to see a directory listing of the files here.
The owner of the site needs to upload an index file to be the default file to be viewed.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by rextangle on Oct 18^th, 2005, 1:23pm

Well kids, I think we broke the freakin site and that's beautiful!!!! What a scaaaaaaaaaam!!!

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Sandy_C on Oct 18^th, 2005, 1:36pm

It was there this morning - and now it ain't! ;;D Doc sure shut that place down quick.

What are you, Mike? A magician!

Way to go Baby!!!!!

Sandy

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by rextangle on Oct 18^th, 2005, 1:51pm

I find your attempt to prey upon people suffering excruciating pain offensive to say the least and bordering on criminal at best. I ask that you remove any mention of cluster headaches from your advertising immediately as there is currently no known cure, least of all a pillow, for a malfunctioning hypothalamus. You can rest assured that the word is already being put out in the cluster headache community about your intentionally false advertising. You have no doubt heard from other cluster headache sufferers and will be hearing from more before the day is out.

I think that did it... plus the doctor looked at his webstats this morning and thought "Wow!!! all these hits.... cool!" then he probably saw that they all came from here and thought.... "OH SHIT!!!" then he got Mike's email....

So he packed up his HTML and went bu-bye!!!
Pure beauty...
Thanks to Heather for posting it and Mike for breaking it!!!
[smiley=headbanger.gif]

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Heather75 on Oct 18^th, 2005, 2:28pm

Wow!

Thanks guys!

You guys rock!

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b157/rextangle/clusterstadium.jpg

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Gator on Oct 18^th, 2005, 2:53pm

http://www.thegreenhead.com/watercooler/images/urkel_proof_1.jpg Did I do thaaat? LOL

I can't get to the site or any of it's subpages anymore either, even by typing it directly into a fresh browesr. Funny how the guy has 25 years of experience and firmly believes in his product and yet pulls down the site at the first sign of opposition.

I doubt my e-mail alone caused this. If it was anything, it was the concerted effort of this family to protect others from scam artists like that.

GO TEAM!

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by rextangle on Oct 18^th, 2005, 3:06pm

LMAO Gator!!! ;;D

Yeah, but he realized that your email was gonna be the first of many and they were gonna be uglier and uglier...
Yes, team effort indeed, but you hit the home run!

Awsome! [smiley=thumb.gif]

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 18^th, 2005, 6:10pm

I didn't realize we had that kinda power. What a group. Potter

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Gator on Oct 18^th, 2005, 8:03pm

Gone, but not forgotten. They pulled the "cluster-headache-remedy" website, but the snake oil sales go on and on and on. Do a search on Google for Soothe-A-Ciser and you'll get 16,100 hits. Search within results for "cluster headache" and you get 1,980 hits.

http://www.soothe-a-ciser.com/cluster-headaches.html

If you want to tell the good doc j what you think of his magic pillow to cure the CH ills, send him an e-mail here:

doctorj@soothe-a-ciser.com

May as well give your testimonial to the company as well:

info@soothe-a-ciser.com

Maybe we should show our appreciation to his partners as well.

http://www.soothe-a-ciser.com/partners/index.html

I wonder what "Dr. Alf Brieg, a nobel prize-winning M.D." would say to his name being used to sell pillows.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 18^th, 2005, 8:36pm

on 10/18/05 at 20:03:38, Gator wrote:

I wonder what "Dr. Alf Brieg, a nobel prize-winning M.D." would say to his name being used to sell pillows.

Whoever it is, they won't mind their name being used. No individual named Alf Brieg ever won any kind of Nobel Prize, unless he was a member of the U.N. Peacekeeping Forces when they won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1988.

And the 2005 winners have been named just recently.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by BobG on Oct 18^th, 2005, 8:46pm

Wasn't Alf that furry little creature that had his own TV show years ago?

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Gator on Oct 18^th, 2005, 9:11pm

You're right, Kevin. No such person is listed on the Nobel Prize website's list of every winner since its inception in 1901.

More false advertising. What else would you expect from a scammer, though.

Modified to add the Nobel Prize web address

http://nobelprize.org/search/all_laureates_y.html

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Gator on Oct 18^th, 2005, 10:59pm

Ding Ding - Round Two!

Quote:

Removing the "cluster-headache-remedy" website was a good step in the right direction. Now how about removing the mentioning of cluster headaches from your remaining pages? If you were concerned enough about product liability and bad publicity that you pulled the website, then why are you holding on to them except for pure profit motives?

I have absolutely nothing against chiropractors as whole, just the ones who use their skills to line their bank accounts for no gain to their patients. If chiropractic treatment was a viable treatment for cluster headaches, the most brilliant minds in cluster headache research would have picked up on this by now. The fact is, since you like http://www.clusterheadaches.com (so do I), MOST of the over 9000 people who post on that website that went to a chiropractor say all the chiropractor did was relieve the pressure on their backsides where the money used to be in their wallets. Go ahead and do a search for that. Where do you think I learned of this so-called remedy you are peddling? There is an ever-growing world-wide community of cluster headaches sufferers that does research, shares information and posts what has worked for them and what has not. Chiropractic treatment is in the not column for most of those voicing their experiences. I've been a member of that community for a long time now.

Your comment: Certainly not all cluster headaches are caused by neck problems, and I am the first to admit that. But in my opinion some cluster headache symptoms very likely originate from neck problems, and if this is the case then my cushion may help some of those people.

You are wrong in the worst possible way. Cluster headaches (CH) themselves are not caused by neck problems. Cluster headache like symptoms, as you say, may be and your selling people a "Cluster Headache remedy" may keep them from seeking proper medical attention for whatever problem they do have. Since you are fond of "what if", get this: A person does a search for symptoms s/he may be having and comes across your product sales site first or is told about your product by a well-meaning friend who happened to see it. The symptoms fit so they must have cluster headaches. They get your pillow and it does help, even marginally. Since the pillow helped they really must have CH so they do not seek further medical attention or worse start treating themselves for CH. CH will not kill you, but some of the medications sufferers take can cause great harm if taken unsupervised by someone without CH. If you truly are interested in peoples' well-being over profit shouldn't you err on the side of caution? Is it really worth risking permanent damage or death for you to expand into one more market?

While you are in the process of removing things, how about removing the "Dr. Alf Brieg, a Nobel prize winning neurosurgeon" comments or at least correcting them. No person named Alf Brieg EVER won a Nobel Prize. http://nobelprize.org/search/all_laureates_y.html More false advertising meant to impress would be customers. Again, we research and share information to help each other and to protect CH sufferers from "Snake Oil salesmen" who would benefit from their tragedy.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Mr. Happy on Oct 18^th, 2005, 11:17pm

Sure wish I'da had a chance to look at this miracle pillow before y'all done Tarred and Feathered yet another one. My feather pillow is 20 yrs old, and the bird is long dead. This may be the same pillow my ex-chiro wanted to sell me for $79.95, in which case you miserable sucks cost me $50 (plus S & H).
Of COURSE it won't cure clusters, but one might have gotten a little better nights sleep, mightn't one? I mean, they're selling beds made with NASA Approved Foam, that contour to the body. Why would they make this for an environment with no gravity? A rock slab would feel as good. Yet they sell like hotcakes.
You fuckers need a good lesson in Capitalism.

God Bless George Bush, apple pie, and French Fries
RJ

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Carl_D on Oct 18^th, 2005, 11:25pm

I went to a chiro after I went chronic.

He fixed a deviation and 2 misalignments.

The clusters never stopped, but I learned how to properly pop my neck when it gets out of line, and provides relief of some neck discomfort for a short period.

I will say this, the Chiro I went to found out about me from a friend of mine who was a former patient of the chiro (this was when I became unable to not just hold a job, but even leave my house). The Chiro told my friend to have me contact him. He did my x-rays, and all treatment pro bono, and was actually very concerned after seeing me go into an attack at a session (they gave me a dark room for the hour I needed it too until I was able to leave).

Chiropractors definitely have their place, however there is not a chiro in the world who can provide relief or cure of cluster headaches.

BTW - I sent the cluster-headache-remedy-ali-wannabes an email. This is all it says.

"This is a public service announcement from a Cluster Headache Sufferer:
GO FUCK YOURSELF!

I am an ass-hole and I approve this message"

;;D
Mack D

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Heather75 on Oct 18^th, 2005, 11:49pm

Hi Mike,

Thanks for taking these guys on! I think they deserve it. >:(

I'm still so amazed that the original site I posted is completely gone. :o (although it really did make my day to see this happen)

Thanks to all!

You're beautiful, don't change! :-*

Heather

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by rumplestiltskin on Oct 19^th, 2005, 12:04am

Thank You Heather!
For bringing this to our attention. Georgia and I both received the same canned groveling e-mail from the "doc" in response to our hate mail.

Thank You Heather!
This day you have served well the Clusterhead community.

Tomorrow you may screw up and get yer head handed to you on a plate...we are quirky that way...butt today you are the queen of the board!

;;D
Walk in the sunshine
den

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Gator on Oct 19^th, 2005, 12:23am

on 10/18/05 at 23:17:55, Mr. Happy wrote:

Hey Hap, it weren't a sleeping pillow anyway.

http://www.soothe-a-ciser.com/cluster-headaches.html

Quote:

Note: the Soothe-A-Ciser® is not designed for sleeping, but is medically designed to correct neck problems that may be causing head aches and only requires 20 to 30 minutes of usage at any one time.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Mr. Happy on Oct 19^th, 2005, 12:28am

I stand corrected.
Still need a decent damned pillow.
I'm too old to ruff it, even in a water bed.

This was a really good exercise in the Power of the People, Right On.

What's up for tomorrow?
RJ

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Oct 19^th, 2005, 1:31am

(pupillary miosis and lid ptosis)

What does that mean, in English?
Thanks
BMonee

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Gator on Oct 19^th, 2005, 4:16pm

Awwww. The doc doesn't want to play anymore.

Quote:

I appreciate your email. And you are certainly entitled to your opinions, which are obviously different than my opinions when it concerns cluster headaches. But should I remove all of the cluster headaches information from my site because it doesn’t agree with your opinion? Are chiropractors not entitled to their own opinions based on their own research?

Should I also remove all of the information about migraine headaches if someone should email me because they think chiropractors are quacks? Should I remove my section on tension headaches because a medical doctor emails me that he thinks spinal problems do not cause tension headaches? I don’t think it’s very fair when someone with a different opinion expects others to conform to their opinion.

Anyone can do research online and form opinions. Different people have different opinions about everything. There isn’t one topic you could mention that everyone would have the same opinion about.

Republicans think differently than Democrats. If I were a Republican and told a democrat that he was wrong, should he become a Republican? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That’s what makes this country so great, the fact that people have the right to form their own beliefs and opinions without fear of repercussions.

I have had a lot of experience researching different types of health problems over the years. But I, unlike many others, do not rely entirely on the medical profession for all of my research. If I did, I would probably have formed the same opinions about cluster headaches as you have. I base my opinions on research from all sides, from the medical community, the chiropractic community, various other health professions, my experience as a chiropractor treating headache patients, common sense and logic. I hope you can appreciate this.

My pillow is very safe for people to use. If I didn’t know that to be true I wouldn’t sell it. I have sold it for about 15 years now. It is sold in just about every chiropractic catalog there is. Chiropractors all over the world have been giving it to their patients for 15 years. I have never once, not once, had a complaint about the safety of this pillow. It has been offered for sale on QVC many times. And believe me, I know, QVC has their lawyers go over every possible legal and safety issue before they sell a health product of any kind on their TV network. My pillow is a good product and a safe product.

On the other hand, how many people have serious health problems or have even died because of taking medication as “safe” as aspirin? Many. Maybe you should write to the makers of Tylenol and tell them they shouldn’t be selling their pain relievers because it causes liver damage and has killed thousands of people. I can guarantee you that my pillow is a lot safer for cluster headache patients than any medications that are prescribed to them.

I don’t mean to sound argumentative and I apologize if I have come across that way. That is not my purpose at all. It’s obvious that you care a great deal about the welfare of others, otherwise you wouldn’t have written to me. But I want you to know that I, like you, really do have concern for others. I sell my pillow because I believe it can help eliminate a lot of pain in a safe way.

Oh, by the way, I have actually seen Dr. Alf Brieg’s research for which he became a Nobel Prize winner.

On that note, I would like to say that I will not be sending further emails to you so that we can continue arguing our different views. That will get neither one of us anywhere. I appreciate your right to form your own opinions, and only ask the same courtesy from you.

I wish you the very best,

Dr. Larry A. Johnson, D.C.

It is obvious that he intends to continue this charade, including the proven factually incorrect bit about the wonderful nobel prize winning Dr. Alf.

Friggin liar scammer bastage. I'm not done here.

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 19^th, 2005, 4:23pm

So... all he has said is that, he makes a "safe" pillow.

;;D

and can make up his own opinion of clusters if he feels like it. ::)

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Ueli on Oct 19^th, 2005, 5:07pm

Here you can learn more about the (scam)art of Dr. Larry A. Johnson, D.C. and his colleagues:

Chirobase (http://www.chirobase.org/)

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Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Mr. Happy on Oct 19^th, 2005, 6:09pm

Whoa! Lots of info there, Ueli......but I didn't see a link for the "Safe" pillow.

Still looking for a comfortable pair of shoes, too.
RJ

Title: Re: I found the cure and it's only $29.95!
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 19^th, 2005, 6:53pm

on 10/19/05 at 18:09:14, Mr. Happy wrote:

Still looking for a comfortable pair of shoes, too.
RJ

;;D