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Title: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by CHTom on Sep 10th, 2005, 8:42pm Looks like Katrina is going to be good business for Halliburton and other companies run by Bush's buddies-don't these people have any sense of shame or decency? They've made a fortune in Iraq and accomplished nothing and now...... Firms with White House ties get Katrina contracts FEMA taps Halliburton subsidiary, Shaw Group, Bechtel for cleanup Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 1:26 p.m. EDT 17:26 GMT) WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Companies with ties to the Bush White House and the former head of FEMA are clinching some of the administration's first disaster relief and reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President Bush's former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, have already been tapped to start recovery work along the battered Gulf Coast. One is Shaw Group Inc. and the other is Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of Halliburton. Bechtel National Inc., a unit of San Francisco-based Bechtel Corp., has also been selected by FEMA to provide short-term housing for people displaced by the hurricane. Bush named Bechtel's CEO to his Export Council and put the former CEO of Bechtel Energy in charge of the Overseas Private Investment Corporation. Experts say it has been common practice in both Republican and Democratic administrations for policy makers to take lobbying jobs once they leave office, and many of the same companies seeking contracts in the wake of Hurricane Katrina have already received billions of dollars for work in Iraq. Halliburton alone has earned more than $9 billion. Pentagon audits released by Democrats in June showed $1.03 billion in "questioned" costs and $422 million in "unsupported" costs for Halliburton's work in Iraq. Watchdog groups take notice But the web of Bush administration connections is attracting renewed attention from watchdog groups in the post-Katrina reconstruction rush. Congress has already appropriated more than $60 billion in emergency funding as a down payment on recovery efforts projected to cost well over $100 billion. "The government has got to stop stacking senior positions with people who are repeatedly cashing in on the public trust in order to further private commercial interests," said Danielle Brian, executive director of the Project on Government Oversight. Bush appointees at Halliburton Allbaugh formally registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root in February. In lobbying disclosure forms filed with the Senate, Allbaugh said his goal was to "educate the congressional and executive branch on defense, disaster relief and homeland security issues affecting Kellogg Brown and Root." Melissa Norcross, a Halliburton spokeswoman, said Allbaugh has not, since he was hired, "consulted on any specific contracts that the company is considering pursuing, nor has he been tasked by the company with any lobbying responsibilities." Allbaugh is also a friend of Michael Brown, director of FEMA who was removed as head of Katrina disaster relief and sent back to Washington amid allegations he had padded his resume -- which he denies. A few months after Allbaugh was hired by Halliburton, the company retained another high-level Bush appointee, Kirk Van Tine. Van Tine registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton six months after resigning as deputy transportation secretary, a position he held from December 2003 to December 2004. On Friday, Kellogg Brown & Root received $29.8 million in Pentagon contracts to begin rebuilding Navy bases in Louisiana and Mississippi. Norcross said the work was covered under a contract that the company negotiated before Allbaugh was hired. Cheney's relationship with Halliburton Halliburton continues to be a source of income for Cheney, who served as its chief executive officer from 1995 until 2000 when he joined the Republican ticket for the White House. According to tax filings released in April, Cheney's income included $194,852 in deferred pay from the company, which has also won billion-dollar government contracts in Iraq. Cheney's office said the amount of deferred compensation is fixed and is not affected by Halliburton's current economic performance or earnings. Allbaugh's other major client, Baton Rouge-based Shaw Group, has updated its Web site to say: "Hurricane Recovery Projects -- Apply Here!" Shaw said on Thursday it has received a $100 million emergency FEMA contract for housing management and construction. Shaw also clinched a $100 million order on Friday from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Shaw Group spokesman Chris Sammons said Allbaugh was providing the company with "general consulting on business matters," and would not say whether he played a direct role in any of the Katrina deals. "We don't comment on specific consulting activities," he said. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Melissa on Sep 10th, 2005, 9:15pm Every administration, whether republican or democrat, does this. It's nothing new. ::) |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by BobG on Sep 10th, 2005, 9:18pm on 09/10/05 at 21:15:16, Melissa wrote:
Yep. Don't take it personal. It's just business. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by forgetfulnot on Sep 10th, 2005, 10:55pm I'm sure that all the homeless people that had their $2,000 Debit cards cancelled will feel all warm and fuzzy... of coarse they can direct deposit to the checking account they never had to begin with. Lee |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by jcmquix on Sep 10th, 2005, 11:04pm on 09/10/05 at 20:42:47, CHTom wrote:
This reminds me of Area 51 Rumors... Unreal.... Have a nice day Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by CHTom on Sep 10th, 2005, 11:07pm I've been around a long time and I've never seen such blatant patronage-from appointing incompetanats to head FEMA to givng more contracts to Halliburton-from which Cheney gets (see the article) almost $130,000 a year, was the chairman before he beame vice president and no doubt will become chairman again after his term of office is over and the required, legal period of waiting time is over before he can return to the company. The administration's arrogance is unparralled in history-at least Bush could have given the contracts to another one of his rich friends' companies. I don't think that it is a coincidence that, just a few days ago, Bush suspended the requirement that contractors working in a disaster area pay the prevailing local wage to outside workers brought in; now Halliburton can hire people and pay them shit and keep the profits-and there are enough poor, unemployed people available that will be desperate enough to take the jobs. Imagine the cruel irony of people from NO, who lost their jobs, returning to NO to rebuild the city and get paid less than what they made before. To me, this shows the heartlessness of this administration towards poor people and the common working man and woman. No doubt the administration will then use the people hired at low wages to say that unemployment has dropped and that the ecomomy is improving-just like the Robber Barons of the 19th Century and early 20th Century. Teddy Roosevelt is surely rolling around in his grave! While patronage has always existed, in both parties, it has never been as extensive as in this administration and incompetent people were NOT given jobs that were important-like the head of FEMA, who, it now appears, exaggerated his resume and was about to be fired from his last job of running horse shows. There was an excellent editorial in Satuday's NY Times about this whole situation which contained facts and not just opinions. When Bush appears at a function, instead of "Hail to the Chief", the band should play "We're in the Money". Sorry, brother, but I think that this is more serious than "politics as usual". Poor New Orleans. Halliburton has been found to have been ripping off the US taxpayer in Iraq and I'm sure that they will do the same in NO. One example was charging the government for 42,000 hot meals served to our troops when in fact only 14,000 were served; instead of being prosecuted, Halliburton was allowed to say that it was an "accounting error" and get off easy by returning some of the money. These people are evil. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by jcmquix on Sep 10th, 2005, 11:11pm Well you could always get in there and do the job yourself.... Know what they say, if you want something done right (Your way) you got to do it Yourself !!!! Have a nice day !!!! God Bless Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 10th, 2005, 11:18pm Well. Mel has a point but never in my 59 years have I seen this kind of thing so blatant and sorta out in the open. These guys don't care.........about much of anything but each other's tax cuts. It's unreal. You know, when you want to pay back your unskilled cronies, you're supposed to stick them in the Post Office or ambassador to some Island in the Pacific. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/sponch.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by BobG on Sep 10th, 2005, 11:45pm One thing I can't believe is all the dumbass people that supported Bush and Cheney in the last erection and they still think they are Gods. Many of those fools are at this website. It feels so good to look back at the messages, discussions, disagreements and fights that took place here during that time and now I can say "I told ya so!". |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Pinkfloyd on Sep 11th, 2005, 12:44am on 09/10/05 at 23:18:51, Charlie wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/85qyu Bobw |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by BikerBob on Sep 11th, 2005, 1:13am on 09/11/05 at 00:44:57, Pinkfloyd wrote:
http://www.iherb.com/memoryupgrade1.html ;;D BB |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by BobG on Sep 11th, 2005, 1:13am ROTFLMAO [smiley=laugh.gif] Good one Bob(s)! |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by CHTom on Sep 11th, 2005, 2:10am "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies."C.S.Lewis (quoted from PinkFloyd) I believe that we have an administration that consists of people who embody the worst traits of robber barons and omnipotent moral busybodies, though I think that I would substitute the word "criminals" for "robber barons" and add "hypocritcal" to "omnipitant moral busybodies". Their attitude and behaviors remind me of the Code of Chivalry of medieval knights-it only applied (sometimes, as they screwed each other as well) to members of that class; if you weren't a member they could (and did) do anything that they wanted to do to the "lower classes"; lie, cheat, steal, kill, etc. and still be considered "honorable" and "chivalrous". Times haven't changed much, except now they ride limos instead of horses and have poor people do their killing (and dying) instead of doing it themselves. I also find it shameful that Bush is going to visit NO on this day, 9/11. It is an outright publicity stunt to somehow tie together what happeded then and what has happened as a result of Katrina. I think that it desecrates the memory of those who lost their lives on 9/11 and is cyncial beyond belief. Maybe Bush will try to blame Bin Laden for Katrina. Do he and his advisors really believe that we are all idiots and can't see through his charade? |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 11th, 2005, 2:56am CHTom (Troll), What have you done for the people that now have nothing? Anything? |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by CHTom on Sep 11th, 2005, 3:05am Normally I don't respond to your posts [smiley=hug.gif], Queen Jonny, but I have contributed $500 to the Salvation Army. As I wrote earlier, you are soooo cute when you are angry (which seems to be ALL the time when someone doesn't agree with you). [smiley=hug.gif] Hugs and kisses. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 11th, 2005, 3:07am on 09/11/05 at 03:05:47, CHTom wrote:
Thats because you know better! |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by CHTom on Sep 11th, 2005, 3:13am Yes, you are correct as usual-I don't respond everytime a fly farts, you sweet thing! [smiley=winkkiss.gif] [smiley=heart.gif] Good night, PF I hope. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 11th, 2005, 3:56am on 09/11/05 at 03:13:34, CHTom wrote:
You should be the one worried about pain, John/CHTom/Hdildo/PMCK or whatever name you are going by today. What a punk to use four names....LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by BarbaraD on Sep 11th, 2005, 6:47am on 09/10/05 at 23:45:20, BobG wrote:
Ditto what Bob said..... Now we can tighten our belts and pay for it again -- I know the American people will be generous...... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by vig on Sep 11th, 2005, 7:37am We have our own Nero, fiddling while NO burns... anyway, this twit not only got elected, but RE-elected in the face of some pretty flagrant facts. I agree with all the Bobs! Go Gringo Bonobo! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by burnt-toast on Sep 11th, 2005, 7:57am While the American people open there checkbooks and contribute time to support the folks in the Gulf States, there are corporations and agencies that will benefit greatly from this disaster through their close ties to politics. Every administration has its Shaw Group's and Halliburton's. Do some research on the $$ Billions of dollars the Clinton Administration poured into Enron and how much the American people lost in subsidized loans Clinton provided Enron. Did you forget that Clinton had Goldman Sachs executive Robert Rubin as treasury secretary and former energy executive Mack McLarty as White House chief of staff? Please don't try to sell this as a Republican Vs. Democrat issue. As I've pointed out before both parties play the same Government for Sale game and "The People" pay the bill. These types of organizations have found it easy to fund campaigns and provide safe landing spots for ex-government employees in exchange for huge govenment contracts, tax payer backed loans and grants. This keeps them from actually working to secure the bulk of their business from the private sector. It doesn't matter what party is in power. The American people accept government corruption and an unholy aliance between private corporations and public government. As a result corruption becomes ever more blatent and costs the American people more every day. Until "The People" find a backbone and become directly involved in holding government accountable nothing will get better. Ultimately the American people are to blame because we have become sheep. Tom |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by vig on Sep 11th, 2005, 8:27am True Tom, but this crew rode in on the religious, self-righteous train proclaiming values, only to turn out to be incompetent con-artists. Will we fall for it again? |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by BarbaraD on Sep 11th, 2005, 9:25am Until the American people get off their apathetic butts and get out, get involved and VOTE (with some facts) and quit listening to the rethrotic and bleeding hearts NOTING will be done. We need to start with the lst graders... they need to be TAUGHT (at home preferably) to THINK for themselves - not just follow the leader. If we want to start pointing fingers we can go back to the time we formed our government. George Washington had his buddies also (just didn't have 24 hour news coverage). Instead of complaining and pointing fingers, we can START with today and move forward. You can't do it, I can't do it, but WE can do it. I mean TAKE BACK OUR GOVERNMENT. Make politicians accountable to US. But it will take the people of this country to do it. And unfortunately, right now, there's just not enough willing to put out the effort, so the politicians will TELL us what's good for us and we'll just keep on giving them our hard earned money and letting them spend it how they see fit for our "benefit" and keep on complaining. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Melissa on Sep 11th, 2005, 9:32am Great post Barb, my thoughts exactly. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by burnt-toast on Sep 11th, 2005, 9:34am on 09/11/05 at 08:27:11, vig wrote:
Vig, I ask myself this question every election - then find myslef asking it over and over again between each election - regardless of the administration that is in power. But we have no real alternatives because we never demand full accountability. This same government makes it illegal for private corportations to discriminate in the work place. Yet every election are bombarded with what blue collar, white collar, black, white, hispanic, asian, male, female, gay, straight, various religious, liberal, conservative, pro-gun, anti-gun, animal rights, etc., etc., etc., voters want. We have a personal wealth oriented two party system that successfully separates American's by class, race, religion, national origin, sex, U.S. geographics/demographics and uses this fragmentation to their advantage. We allow ourselves to be broken into small powerless groups over too specific a set of issues - most of which should not even be issues our government is involved in. The end result is "We The People" have turned our power over to an increasingly corrupt political bureaucracy that no longer serves "The People". The Federal Government has severely exceeded the limited powers granted to it in the U.S. Constitution by The Founding Fathers. This relentlessly swelling bureaucracy has become an ineffective beast "The People" can no longer afford to feed. Tom |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by toolong on Sep 11th, 2005, 10:46am [flash=200,200][/flash][b][/b]DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by sandie99 on Sep 11th, 2005, 11:16am Nothing new under the sun... ::) But there's always hope for the future. That's what keeps me going... :) Sanna |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 11th, 2005, 11:28am In my 59 years, I've never seen the level of greed and contempt for the little guy. The administration is mean, careless, and has no interest other than using perceived fear in nearly everything to stay elected. It works. If you are (more likely--were) a progressive conservative you will be expelled from the GOP by this bunch of puritans who are afraid that somewhere, someone might be having a good time. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/where.gif Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few. ~George Bernard Shaw. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/beatdown.gif |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by toolong on Sep 11th, 2005, 11:52am Being a flag waving patriot and a Viet Nam vet I think I have a right to express my views.My wife believes my anger about the shape this country is in today is part of my CH problem.Bush is the reason for the great division of this country.The HAVES and the HAVE NOTS.It will be something to see what kind of shape we will be in 3 more years.It's really sad to think that America is looked at by the rest of the world as a place ran by an $ hungry jerk like Bush.I hope that we can someday return to the way we were. :(Peace |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 11th, 2005, 12:06pm Quote:
A Patriot. You have my thanks. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/marching.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 11th, 2005, 12:50pm Umm, you forgot to blame Bush for global warming....LMMFAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by CHTom on Sep 11th, 2005, 8:35pm Since you are such a fervent Bush supporter, I imagine that you also follow his "no sex before marriage" plan-no using that hand either, a sperm has a right to live! |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 11th, 2005, 11:17pm Forgot that one.... http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/TRIXYINAZ/spermandegg_t.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Pure as the driven snow; Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by rumplestiltskin on Sep 12th, 2005, 2:15am In war time we should support our leaders and our troops should obey orders....even though we don't know where they are taking all the jews...I'm sure it's all for the best. wage peace den |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by BarbaraD on Sep 12th, 2005, 5:13am "They came for the Jews - I didn't get involved because I wasn't Jewish. They came for the Catholics - I didn't get involved because I wasn't Catholic. They came for the Baptists - I didn't get involved because I wasn't Baptist. Then they came for ME and there was no one left to get involved!" Quote from someone |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by BobG on Sep 12th, 2005, 10:13am Jonny, you're right! George Bush had nothing to do with global warming. Well, not too much anyway. The warming of the oceans was started by Halliburton. Their scientists knew the havoc it would cause and the bean counters knew the profits to be made from the distruction. George's connection to the warming was to give Dick C time off to see his banker about the Hallibuton money that was/is flowing into his trust fund. Link? I got your link hanging. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by jcmquix on Sep 12th, 2005, 10:17am [smiley=ohjez.gif] Nobody prepared for the future.... So Blame it all on Busch.... Like Clinton had nothing to do with all this.. while he was getting his Rocket polished in the Oval Office... Give me a Break.... Have a Nice Day Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by burnt-toast on Sep 12th, 2005, 11:22am on 09/12/05 at 05:13:19, BarbaraD wrote:
And a good quote it is - very fitting in today's society - see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil - (as long as it doesn't affect me) - then complain when it does but is unfortunately too late to make a difference. Partially quoting myself Quote:
BarbaraD, it sounds like you have also experienced the frustration of stepping up only to find out folks supporting your efforts ultimately wouldn't step up with you because they DIDN"T WANT TO GET INVOLVED. Tom |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Pinkfloyd on Sep 12th, 2005, 11:43am on 09/12/05 at 10:13:24, BobG wrote:
Well yes, this is obviously true but the real story behind it is that the Whitewater Corporation hired Halliburtin to raise the oceans temps to 104 degrees so Whitewater could raise the prices of, and sell, all their ocean front property. Preliminary sales brochures (found on Vince Foster) featured homes complete with gulf-sized hot tub facilities within walking distance to all the people living in the gulf regions. :-/ Bobw |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 12th, 2005, 2:10pm on 09/12/05 at 10:13:24, BobG wrote:
LMMFAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 12th, 2005, 3:10pm Guess who gets the blame?.....BWAAHAHA!!!!! ;;D http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=7463 |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 12th, 2005, 7:26pm Quote:
You got it. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/heat.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Quote:
More harm to the country was done by the Republicans and other silly puritans spending about 50 million dollars prosecuting...persecuting the President. Have to wonder if Dick Cheney's friends might have trickled down a couple of bucks from that. http://www.subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/misc/rain.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 12th, 2005, 7:30pm I can tell you cant see the video I posted Charlie. let me splain, Its a black guy that is so shitfaced they wont let him on a plane, in the end he blames Bush......LMMFAO ;;D Your in good company!! |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 12th, 2005, 7:39pm Thanks Jonny. With my dialup it would take me 20 minutes to download. I rare see your stuff Jonny.... :'( Chaz http://members.shaw.ca/wenpigs/confused/uhm.gif?SSImageQuality=Full |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by forgetfulnot on Sep 12th, 2005, 10:25pm Clinton got a blow job. Bush needs one, any volunteers? Lee |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by maffumatt on Sep 13th, 2005, 6:33am If your giveing.................. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by floridian on Sep 13th, 2005, 6:12pm on 09/12/05 at 10:17:46, jcmquix wrote:
Actually, James Witt (the guy Clinton appointed) is well respected and gets hight marks for how he ran FEMA. FEMA fell apart in 2003 - there are dozens of articles out there on how demoralized and mismanaged the agency became in the past few years. Quote:
And you really crossed the line when you accused us of blaming everything on Busch. That fine St. Louis beverage had nothing to do with it, nor did Miller, Pabst, or Hamms. Say anything you like about Bud's brother, but spell his name right. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 13th, 2005, 6:52pm Heres a question......Who gave more money to the New Orleans levees....Bush or Clinton? |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 13th, 2005, 7:51pm Who hacked the funding by what? 80% or something for tax cuts and under-armored Hummers in Iraq? Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 13th, 2005, 8:04pm on 09/13/05 at 19:51:50, Charlie wrote:
Did you read the question or are you just simple, Charles? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 13th, 2005, 8:06pm Simple. I have no idea. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 13th, 2005, 8:08pm on 09/13/05 at 20:06:30, Charlie wrote:
;;D ....LOL, That beats Flo's answer.....LMAO!!!! |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 13th, 2005, 8:17pm Jonny, i dont have the actual stats on this, but i know in 1995 and in 1999 there was a large amount of money and attention that went into the NO levees. The money and planning that went into it in 1999 never got acted on cause bush jr cut it. Unless you can recall anything bush jr jas done, those 2 programs under clinton would surpass bush jr. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by floridian on Sep 13th, 2005, 9:27pm on 09/13/05 at 20:08:49, Jonny wrote:
That's so typical of you, Jonny - you say his answer beats my answer, when you don't even know what my answer is. Just for that, I am going to make you wait for my answer. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Pinkfloyd on Sep 14th, 2005, 1:54am The Superdome cost 134 million to build in 1975. They spent 22 million in 96 to renovate it. They were making plans to build a new one at a cost of 660 million. Maybe they should have spent it on their levees. We as a country put more efforts in parties than safety. I suppose we could elect a Quaker as a President but...wait....we tried that too. Not as many parties but hey, he wasn't a crook. ;-( U.S. Army Corps of Engineers News Release Release No. PA-09-01 For Immediate Release: September 3, 2005 Contact: Connie Gillette: 202-761-1809 Constance.S.Gillette@hq02.usace.army.mil U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Hurricane Relief Support and Levee Repair Background Information "The breaches that have occurred on the levees surrounding New Orleans are located on the 17th Street Canal Levee and London Avenue Canal Levee. The 17th Street Canal Levees and London Avenue Canal Levees are completed segments of the Lake Ponchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection Project. Although other portions of the Lake Ponchartrain project are pending, these two segments were complete, and no modifications or improvements to these segments were pending, proposed, or remain unfunded. Three major pending projects are in various stages of development: two hurricane protection projects -- the West Bank and Vicinity project and the remaining portions of the Lake Ponchartrain project, and the Southeast Louisiana flood damage reduction project. Even if these three projects in development were completed and in place, they would not have prevented the breach and the flooding caused by the breach. Like the levee that was breached, the hurricane protection projects were designed to withstand forces of a hurricane that has a .5% chance of occurrence in any given year. This translates to what is now classified as a Category 3 hurricane. Funding The Administration's Fiscal Year 2006 budget request for the four main New Orleans flood control projects [West Bank, Southeast Louisiana, Lake Ponchartrain, and New Orleans-Venice] was $41.5 million. The perception of cuts to the Corps budget may come from a misunderstanding of construction project funding practices or from comparing the Administration's budget request to the Corps' project capability figures for these four main projects, which for FY2006 totaled $142.7 million. Annual project funding is based on a variety of factors, including an analysis of the work that can be completed in an upcoming year and the work that already has been completed in a previous year. Funding levels may vary as a project progresses toward completion. Assumptions that these year-to-year changes reflect a change in a projects' prioritization or are intended to cha nge the rate of its progress fail to take into account the broader factors necessary to manage resources in an organization that is simultaneously completing multiple construction projects. Additionally, project capability figures are not budget requests and do not represent a request by the Corps for funding. Instead, project capability figures represent the maximum amount of work on a project that the Corps estimates could be accomplished in a given year, assuming an unlimited supply of resources--financial, manpower, equipment, and construction materials. Project capability amounts are rarely funded. If full capability funding were provided for every project in a given year, it would be very difficult to complete all the work because it would likely not be possible to secure sufficient Corps or contractor personnel to construct all projects at the same time. The same holds true for specific regions of the country. If full capability funding were provided for every project in the same region or locality, completing all the work would be very difficult given the significant strain this would place on existing contracting, staffing, equipment and material resources. " Can we move on now? Let's just see who has a bigger stack of evidence a year from now. Bobw Buy duck tape!! |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Pinkfloyd on Sep 14th, 2005, 2:08am I know some of you were going ...BUT...But....as you read the above post. (yes, I heard you) so..., P.S. [Quotes below are from Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, Commander of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and Chief of Engineers, and are excerpted from his remarks during a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Special Briefing for the media via conference call on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 1 p.m. EDT. A full transcript is available from the Public Affairs Office at (202) 761-0011.] There have been suggestions that inadequate funding for levee projects delayed their completion and resulted in the flooding of New Orleans. GEN. STROCK: "In fact, the levee failures we saw were in areas of the projects that were at their full project design... So that part of the project was in place, and had this project been fully complete ... [West Bank, Southeast Louisiana, and Lake Ponchartrain] it's my opinion, based on the intensity of this storm, that the flooding of the Central Business District and the French Quarter would still have occurred. So I do not see that the level of funding is really a contributing factor in this case." There have also been suggestions that the Corps of Engineers was unable to fully fund flood control needs in New Orleans or elsewhere because funding was diverted to the Global War on Terror. GEN. STROCK: "Let me also address the issue of the general impact of the war in Iraq on civil works funding. We've seen some suggestions that our budget has been affected by the war. I can also say that I do not see that to be the case. If you look at the historical levels of funding for the Corps of Engineers from the pre-war levels back to 1992, '91, before we actually got into this, you'll see that the level of funding has been fairly stable throughout that period. So I think we would see that our funding levels would have dropped off if that were the case; so I do not see that as an issue that is relevant to the discussion of the flood protection of the City of New Orleans." Finally, some believe that New Orleans flooded because there were inadequate coastal wetlands in Southern Louisiana to absorb the storm surge. GEN. STROCK: "Again, my assessment in this case is that any loss of wetlands in the barrier islands associated with those processes did not have a significant impact on this event. I say this because the storm track took it east of the City of New Orleans, and most of those barrier islands and marshlands are located to the south and west of the city; so the storm did not track through that direction anyway, and I don't think that that was a contributing factor in the situation." If Bush would have funded the entire 14 billion to do the entire project, wetlands...level 5 intensity...etc.... It would have had to have been done by Bush number 1 and not Bush number 2. I believe it is estimated to be a 20 year project. Had GB2 said go ahead even 4 years ago, they'd still be drawing up the plans and still in court on imminent domain lawsuits. IMHO. Bush couldn't stop this, Clinton couldn't stop this. Response is a different issue. Bobw |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 14th, 2005, 2:56am on 09/13/05 at 18:12:52, floridian wrote:
LMAO This thought did come to my mind as I was reading through this bunch of um....political spewage which seems to be running like a brush fire through here and everywhere else lately! Hell I'm to blame just as much as the next guy....I started my masters course on the 7th. The title? "Health Policy and Legal Dimensions" - I'll reserve some choicy statistics for another thread. But we do have a class field trip to Washington DC in November. I think I just signed up for the class from heaven. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 14th, 2005, 3:38am Good post by the way but Bush freaks actually buy this in its entirety. Can't prove it now. Science doesn't count anymore. Bush fires anyone who thinks it should. No point in looking at other opinions or maintaining funding. These are the same people that actually think we should believe the drug company hacks when they say that they must charge so much for their products because they spend so much on research. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/cheesyrotfm.gif Nothing but deceit from these guys. They make Nixon look good. Oh yeah Bush ia sweetie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/makeout.gif A vote for Bush has always been a vote for......Bush, not for us. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by floridian on Sep 14th, 2005, 11:53am on 09/14/05 at 01:54:14, Pinkfloyd wrote:
More into parties than safety?? Are you daring to criticize sports socialism, where the citizens pay for stadiums while the owners rake in money?? Nixon was raised as a Quaker, but as an adult, there is a debate as to whether he was a practicing Quaker - he didn't attend meetings and didn't really practice the elements of the faith. It certainly looked good on the resume, though. on 09/14/05 at 01:54:14, Pinkfloyd wrote:
Quite possible, I haven't heard a good description of how high the water was that topped the levy, or exactly how it failed. We do know that the levees along the Lake Ponchartrain side have sunk 4 feet due to subsidence. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by ghost62 on Sep 14th, 2005, 12:03pm So let me get this straight. Bush Farted causing the Hurricane, Rove and Chaney blew the levee the next day, Brown tied everyone up so they couldnt help, and Condie spent the money on a shopping spree. Ok I think I have it now thanks. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 14th, 2005, 12:06pm on 09/14/05 at 03:38:59, Charlie wrote:
so, if you say something that bush's team disagrees with you have automatically more credibility. the idea (from pink's post) that the levee breaches were in parts that had been fully funded, and improved is discounted as hearsay. sadly there is likely documentable evidence of this being so, as opposed to the many theoretical debates against present environmental policies. So called "Science" has a dog in this fight too, and is not above self-interest and imbecility that they fling against their opposition with reckless abandon. scott |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by ghost62 on Sep 14th, 2005, 12:19pm Now boomer you know you cant use logic or facts, I kinda like my take on it. If you try to use facts over emotion the direction always changes to try to get you off guard that way you look like you are not answering the question. its kinda like holding a treat out for the dog, it will bark for a while but, eventually it gets frustrated and lunges at it. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 14th, 2005, 1:31pm on 09/14/05 at 11:53:24, floridian wrote:
Oooh now you're hitting on something that really incites anger for me. LOL When I was growing up, I did all things music and my brother did all things athletic. Know what happens when music (as in music in schools) takes on athletics? Sports always win and schools cut music programs to pay for their football team to have new helmets. Well....our school was much more of a fighter than that! We had something like 12 choirs, 3 bands, and 2 orchestras as well as offering several other music classes. That was in grades 10-12 alone. We had a very active Music Parents association - and since the district would not fund anything we did, the music parents and the students raised a LOT of money. I think the district did fund the trip to Carnegie Hall that 6 of us made in 1999 to play in All Eastern band/choir/orchestra, but that's about it! The kicker was that towards the end of my education, they decided to pay some $40,000 for a new scoreboard in the stadium. I mean...you're kidding me, right? My mom hasn't had a freaking raise in 5 years and gets paid peanuts for running the one elementary school....and we're paying $40,000 for a scoreboard? You can't give one dime to the music program that builds all kinds of platforms for kids in the future...but yet we need to pay $40,000 for a scoreboard? I never looked at our school district the same way ever again. I'm not sure who the kooks are that run the show here, but I certainly don't think they've learned anything about education and priorities! :P |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 14th, 2005, 2:09pm on 09/13/05 at 21:27:12, floridian wrote:
Mean People Suck!, Flo ;;D Edit to add: I just found this and this place needs a laugh ;;D http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloadsnew/cj_48774.wmv |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 14th, 2005, 5:24pm Bush called this guy and told him to do this ;;D To think that people were dying when this went on! ..................................................................................... New Orleans Congressman Uses National Guard to Visit Home By: crispy78 · Section: Diaries During the height of the rescue effort, Democratic Congressman William Jefferson took a tour of the damage to his neighborhood and during that tour, stopped by his house to get out a few personal items. I don't want to get RS in trouble with copyright issues, so here is just a few snippets from the story: Military sources tells ABC News that Jefferson, an eight-term Democratic congressman, asked the National Guard that night to take him on a tour of the flooded portions of his congressional district. A 5-ton military truck and a half dozen military police were dispatched. The water reached to the third step of Jefferson's house, a military source familiar with the incident told ABC News, and the vehicle pulled up onto Jefferson's front lawn so he wouldn't have to walk in the water. Jefferson went into the house alone, the source says, while the soldiers waited on the porch for about an hour. Finally, according to the source, Jefferson emerged with a laptop computer, three suitcases, and a box about the size of a small refrigerator, which the enlisted men loaded up into the truck. It goes on to say that the truck became stuck while waiting for the good Congressman and that a Coast Guard helicopter (which ended up not being needed) and a second Army truck came to rescue the first truck. People waiting to be rescued had to wait an additional 45 minutes on their roofs for the Coast Guard helicopter. Keep in mind that the Congressman is under a federal invesigation: A senior federal law enforcement source tells ABC News that investigators are interested in learning if Jefferson moved any materials relevant to the investigation. Jefferson says he did not. The natural question about what was in the box not withstanding, I wonder how his constituents feel about him checking out his home (using military resources) while it may be weeks or months before they can see their's? I'm surprised to see it was ABC that broke the story, but I wonder how much play it will get in the rest of the MSM. If the congressman had been Bobby Jindal or another Republican it would be the top story on every news show. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by maffumatt on Sep 14th, 2005, 5:30pm wasteing your breath Jonny, they thought this could all be pinned on Bush, it isn't going as planned, if it doesn't fit their agenda facts mean nothing................ |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 14th, 2005, 5:33pm on 09/14/05 at 17:30:13, maffumatt wrote:
No wonder this thread went dead....LMAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by ghost62 on Sep 14th, 2005, 5:34pm Yea jonny dont confuse the issues with facts. 8) |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by ghost62 on Sep 14th, 2005, 5:35pm on 09/14/05 at 12:03:34, ghost62 wrote:
see these are the facts as they see them |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by maffumatt on Sep 14th, 2005, 5:36pm Besides if your watching the judicial conformation hearings, you can see their pain and frustration. Laughed my ass off watching Kennedy getting flustered. edited my spelling |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 14th, 2005, 5:43pm on 09/14/05 at 17:36:19, maffumatt wrote:
You mean "FATBOY"? http://www.fatboy.cc/ |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by maffumatt on Sep 14th, 2005, 5:47pm the one and the same, you got to watch it, Arlen Specter spanked him and Biden. Trying to trip Roberts up but they are only makeing themselves look like an ass....... |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 14th, 2005, 5:55pm http://www.fatboy.cc/Audio/John%20Farrar.wma ..................................;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by forgetfulnot on Sep 14th, 2005, 10:11pm on 09/14/05 at 17:47:31, maffumatt wrote:
As I recall Arlen Specter asked some pretty tough questions also, so is he an ass as well? Lee |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 14th, 2005, 10:26pm Just a couple of things. About 15 minutes of the judicial hearings is enough for me. They behave like spoiled brats in the Senate. No way in hell do I sit through the whole thing. Everybody likes this guy. This is the kind of thing that I actually do read about in the newspapers. Makes the whole thing bearable. I hate the abortion issue too. It's wrecked any chance of sane politics in this country. Legislating nothing but theological opinion is not what Congress is supposed to do. Quote:
Believing anything coming from these medieval robber barons goes against common sense. They are only interested in pleasing lobbyists and will to anything to keep on their good side. The level of greed displayed here is unfathomable. The truth is foreign to them. Bush hates government. He really feels that corporations do so much better at handling crises. Nice idea for people in his income bracket. He just doesn't care about it. It gets in his way. This is a 1890s style of governing. It doesn't work in the modern world--not even on this self-righteous side of the Atlantic. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/drinks.gif?SSImageQuality=Full The proposed funding for levee repair pales to insignificance when compared to the pork stuck in the transportation and energy bills. It hardly makes a blip. I guess building bridges to unihabited areas of Alaska is more important. It would kill us to give it a try, I guess. By the way Jonny, I saw that story about the misuse of the guard. WTF is wrong with us? Don't these idiots have any idea of how this debacle looks to others all over the world? It's insane. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/mirror.gif Peace. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 14th, 2005, 11:28pm Arlen Specter is actually one republican I like. His office is about 5 minutes from my parents' house. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 15th, 2005, 3:59am Quote:
Me too. He barely hung on during his last election. He is an old fashioned Republican; progressive and has no interest in the religious right. Naturally, the current GOP puritans been trying to shut him up or knock him off. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/stamper.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by vig on Sep 15th, 2005, 5:49am on 09/14/05 at 23:28:20, Lizzie2 wrote:
yeah, and he's been looking pretty sick lately. I don't think he'll last long |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Mr. Happy on Sep 15th, 2005, 6:29am So I went to Google. I typed in "Loser." I clicked on "I'm Feeling Lucky." Heh. RJ |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by floridian on Sep 15th, 2005, 12:04pm on 09/15/05 at 06:29:50, Mr. Happy wrote:
The comic strip "The Born Loser" ?? |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by maffumatt on Sep 15th, 2005, 12:24pm on 09/14/05 at 22:11:13, forgetfulnot wrote:
Tough questions are one thing, makeing a 10 min statement then asking quetions about that statement and not allowing Roberts time to answer is another. They are grandstanding and asking questions on which they are on record ( Ginsberg hearings) as saying should not be answered is another. Typical double standards.......... |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by ghost62 on Sep 15th, 2005, 12:34pm now lets see Bush Farted causing the Hurricane, Rove and Chaney blew the levee the next day, Brown tied everyone up so they couldnt help, and Condie spent the money on a shopping spree. She apparently bought some black robes and blamed Roberts, now he is on trial but the prosicution refuses to ask any questions, but when they do he isnt allowed to answer them. Now besause of all of this apparently the hot air has created another hurricane being totally ignored by the same people throwing a fit about Katrina. Ok I think I have it now thanks. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Mr. Happy on Sep 15th, 2005, 1:40pm on 09/15/05 at 12:04:11, floridian wrote:
Shit. Shit shit. Type in "Failure," not Loser. Shit. RJ |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by ArCane on Sep 15th, 2005, 1:43pm on 09/15/05 at 12:34:14, ghost62 wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by jcmquix on Sep 15th, 2005, 2:35pm Yea Ghost.. thats about it cept for it goes further back... see the BIG picture...: Clinton & Gore comes into Office, take the Credit for all the Good Things that Regan & Busch Sr did..... Then when They (Clinton & Gore) leave all the Bad Thing's get Blamed on Busch Jr.... Glad I Voted Busch JR..... God Bless ALL !! Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 15th, 2005, 2:57pm Quote:
Sounds to me like you're just repeating the biased commercial all over cable. I have an idea that you have some notion that Roberts is a problem for me. From this bunch of puritans, Roberts is about as good as it is likely to be. Can't say I'm all that upset with him. Clever nomination. His appointment isn't the important one. He just replaces another conservative. The next one is the important one. Of course my side hopes he's flips. It would serve them right. You never know: Justice Robert H. Jackson said that the Court has more effect on the appointees than they have on the Court. Wow. It must be something to be someone so young and become Chief Justice. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 15th, 2005, 3:10pm Quote:
Another one? Well...why am I not surprised? Keep voting these guys in since you have no interest in a break on the price of meds and health care. That alone is enough for me. Make it personal. The Democrats probably won't have much luck but at least it would be unlikely to get worse. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/Hat tip.gif |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by ghost62 on Sep 15th, 2005, 3:21pm now lets see Bush Farted causing the Hurricane, Rove and Chaney blew the levee the next day, Brown tied everyone up so they couldnt help, and Condie spent the money on a shopping spree. She apparently bought some black robes and blamed Roberts, now he is on trial but the prosicution refuses to ask any questions, but when they do he isnt allowed to answer them. Now besause of all of this apparently the hot air has created another hurricane being totally ignored by the same people throwing a fit about Katrina. This caused the price of meds and health care to go up. Ok I think I have it now thanks. |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 15th, 2005, 3:25pm Finally. Charlie http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif?SSImageQuality=Full |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by maffumatt on Sep 15th, 2005, 3:45pm on 09/15/05 at 14:57:23, Charlie wrote:
nope just repeating facts. But I have seen the video clips of Biden and Kennedy saying that it wrong for a nominee to answer the same questions they are asking, then bitch when they don't get the answers they want to hear, or even better get flustered when Roberts correct them when they quote comments taken out of context. Good cut and paste job from them though........ |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by burnt-toast on Sep 15th, 2005, 4:05pm on 09/15/05 at 15:10:17, Charlie wrote:
Charlie, Did you get these things when Democrats controlled the house and Senate? Did you get these things when Clinton wasted 8 years of our time? Did you get these things when Billery scared health insurance providers into massive rate increases? Did it make these things more affordable when massive hidden taxes were applied to vitrually every basic service used by Americans thanks to Al Gore's hidden tax agenda? Did it help citizens when Clinton pushed GATT and NAFTA through, and negotiated to open the flood gates for China to dump imports virtually unrestricted into American markets while China retained restrictive trade for U.S. products on China's markets. Obviously corruption and greed know no political boundries. Yet somehow political parties manage to convince the American people that there's actually an honest political party, filled with honest politicians, that march to magical citizen driven agendas. Christ Charlie, to me it doesn't matter who or what is in charge the best the American people can expect it to pay dearly for leaders who's only interest is padding their own pockets. All this Good vs Evil, Democrats vs. Republicans, Conservatives vs. Liberals is a Mother Goose smoke screen that keeps "The People" divided. Political parties interested in the health and welfare of American citizens is a Fairy Tail, we're being sold out no matter who is in power. Tom |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 15th, 2005, 4:37pm I've seen the videos Matt. Your facts are right. The same GOP does similar stuff with even more scare ads for stuff they don't like. Teddy is their favorite target. He looks awful. Not new. Quote:
At least Democrats would be much less likely to make things worse by pandering only to drug company lobbyists such as coming up with the so-called drug benefit for Medicare that is really a way for HMOs to cash in. Nope, gouging the poor is the way of the GOP. No fair letting the U. S. buy drugs and distribute to lower costs. The rest of the industrialized world can't believe the shitty deals we have given the little guy. Clinton wasn't the one who wasted our time. It was the creeps in the GOP that after 40 years in the minority showed us how to do things right: Shut down the Congress for weeks and weeks and try to kill every attempt at progressive legislation. What a bunch of silly but dangerous children. It was a contract ON America, not with. Any corruption or iffy politics by Clinton pales to insignificance when compared to the greedy criminals in the Bush adminstration. It's sickening and sickening that people think it's just fine. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by burnt-toast on Sep 15th, 2005, 4:58pm I didn't mean to hurt your feelings Charlie. I refuse to accept corruption of any kind from either party or any politician. I guess I'm tired of "I voted that way because he/she/they were the lesser of two evils". People must start demanding much, much more from their elected leaders than - "Just don't screw me as bad as I believe the other candidates/party will". We need to put an end to political lpandering to special interests, corporate interests, and international interests for personal gain and campaign contributions. Lets call it what it is - graft and corruption regardles of the political affiliation of the recepient. Why accept any of it? Tom |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Charlie on Sep 15th, 2005, 5:27pm Bush gets me wound up http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/blow top.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 15th, 2005, 5:28pm on 09/15/05 at 16:58:17, burnt-toast wrote:
AMEN BROTHER! |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by karma on Sep 15th, 2005, 5:33pm Quote:
Because it doesn't hurt enough yet! |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Redneck on Sep 15th, 2005, 6:35pm Thanks guys, If it wasn't for all the information posted here I would not know what was happening. But sorry to say I leave for an undisclosed pacific island in the morning. See ya'll later, much later due to grass skirts, no bull. Don't pm me cause I won't get them. See you later, much later! (see I didn't tell anyone to fuck off! I am doing much better now) |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by Jonny on Sep 15th, 2005, 6:47pm on 09/15/05 at 18:35:53, Redneck wrote:
Bout time to get over it aint it, Dude? |
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Title: Re: Bush's Buddies Feeding at Katrina's Trough! Post by forgetfulnot on Sep 15th, 2005, 8:42pm on 09/15/05 at 12:24:12, maffumatt wrote:
Congratulations, you are beginning to learn why we have a a two or three party system. Lee |
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