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Title: Sorry I have to ask the "race" question Post by pubgirl on Sep 6th, 2005, 4:09pm I'm really not trying to cause controversy here, I genuinely want to know if the general belief in your country is that aid was slower as the majority of those affected were low income black Americans without friends in high places to put pressure. We have legion covering of the catastrophe over here as well, and I have seen horrific scenes today including people who died AFTER they were supposedly rescued to communal "safe areas" We have had historical accusations here that areas with high ethnic minority populations had been less well treated but the white majority here believe it has gone the other way now and more aid and money goes to ethnic minority "ghettoes". I make no comment as I do not know, but am genuinely interested if this really is the case in your country. Also I am personally very, very sad I never made it to NO before this happened, it was a future plan for a holiday, but never quite got there :( :( :( Wendy |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 6th, 2005, 4:19pm No - I do not think that was the reason. I find it sad that it wasn't portrayed as the reason until the Black Caucus made a statement referencing that to be the reason. But that is one of the first things people will look to blame, or so it seems. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ghost62 on Sep 6th, 2005, 4:21pm To put things into a better view, The equally poor White parrishes and Black parrishes are pretty much being ignored over the Metropolitan areas. To be honest they are not looking at color or at income. They are however looking at media appeal, in my opinion. Some of the smaller areas are being totally ignored due to the high impact high populous areas being covered first. There are areas not even checked by FEMA or other agencies as of yet. There are other areas only being helped by Canadian rescue workers Thank God they came. The priorities are high population to low ... Numbers dictate the need. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BobG on Sep 6th, 2005, 4:38pm I think the slowness of the help was caused by the lazy-ass bureaucrats in all levels of government. Their first instinct is to save themselves and cover their own failures. But, as we all know, bureaucrats are the same everywhere, just show up for work and suck up taxpayer money with the hope that nobody notices how incompetent they are. I don’t know if getting aid to the minority population was race related or not. It may seem that way from what is shown on the news. Large crowds of minorities begging for help, but we must remember they were the poor(er) of all races and had no way to get out. The city of New Orleans completely failed these people. When the mayor issued a evacuation order why wasn’t EVERY bus, Greyhound, school bus, whatever, put in service free of charge, Why wasn’t EVERY train car in the city used to move people. Simple......bureaucrats with the attitude “Fuck you! I have mine and leaving with it!” I have seen reports of people dying in the “safe areas”. Seems most were the elderly, sick and feeble before they were evacuated and the stress and strain may have been too much for them. A lot, if not most, of what may appear as a race thing is like ghost said, “media appeal” A few stranded white people doesn’t sell news like planting a race card does. Follow the money. But, I just don’t know. I wasn’t there. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by deltadarlin on Sep 6th, 2005, 5:25pm Let me put it this way, if it is a race issue, they best look to their mayor (who is black), their representative who is 1/4 black) and on down the line |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by minnie on Sep 6th, 2005, 5:38pm First off this is honestly just my opinion but here goes. When dealing with mother nature and the disasters she can throw our way the words quick and easy fix can't be used.Eventually yes this has to be looked into not to throw blame but to learn so that the lives being lost everyday are not someday repeated.I am a optimist so my hope and yes guess is that help is not being doled out by race.Rather it is getting to the people they can and yes sometimes(too many times recovery of those that couldn't get help.)It is an awful shame that so many people who may be able to help are having to wait in some areas until their secure from looters and mother natures obsticals.If I am wrong about that I'm sorry but so far thats my understanding.People are out their getting to areas where they can.theres a lot of area to cover and a lot of physical obsticles.once again this is just my opinion from watching the news from a physical distance.Praying for all those who's lives have been effected and sometimes destroyed and those brave loving soles going in helping and taking in those left homeless. Minnie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Woobie on Sep 6th, 2005, 5:46pm I would REALLY hate to think that race is an issue....... But - people are making it into one.... even if it isn't. the sick, elderly and poor were left behind. I think it's more of an INCOME issue than a RACE issue. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by nani on Sep 6th, 2005, 5:49pm on 09/06/05 at 17:46:25, Woobie wrote:
True. These are people with no power, and therefore, no priority on any politician's lists. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Redneck on Sep 6th, 2005, 5:54pm Then don't ask it my dear. I judge a man or woman by their actions not their color. Many may find that hard to believe with my name. I just got back. I ain't happy, I am so fuckin' tired i can't move, think, or function in normal society. The "race" or color that is the problem is: RED and it's nickname is "Tape" The important thing to remember is the people affected in three states! Then the thousands of people there busting their ass trying to get them out, move them, treat them. I was in the Pete Maravich Assembly Center at LSU (now the largest Emergency Room ever in the history of the U.S.) for 2 days as assistant to the night command center director and over stockpile logistics there, then in the Stragetic National Stockpile Warehouse trying to get in medical supplies and get them out. I saw the pain and suffering, the terrible agony of those locating a lost relative. And I saw and felt what everyone there did. The workers that won't quit, wont rest, red eyed, slump shouldered but they never stop. Some fall out, some forcefully made to rest an hour or so then back again. Nuff of that ramble, I may be too tired to make sense :-[ |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 6th, 2005, 5:56pm The fact that anybody uses the race card to intimidate the media for thier own personal gain pisses me the fuck off. No I don't think it had anything to do with race, religion, political agenda, or sexual preference. I hate the blame game. :-/ JMHO. Sean...................................... |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 6th, 2005, 6:56pm Ask the black mayor of New Orleans that ran out of town leaving his people! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by deltadarlin on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:09pm Ask Fats Domino how many he helped to leave when he helicoptered out. 'darlin |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Kris_in_SJ on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:11pm An absolute ditto to everything BobG said! Nuff said, Kris |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:21pm No, it is impossible to completely factor out race, but that was not the reason response was so slow. On Wednesday, our fearless leader was still on vacation, posing with a country music singer and strumming a guitar at a concert. On Thursday, Condaleeza went shopping for shoes. Vice President Cheney was on vacation through the whole working week (although he really was working, wink, wink). They really were clueless, as were the incompetent cronies appointed to head FEMA. Income is more of a factor - love this quote from Barbara Bush, referring to the refugees in the Astrodome : Quote:
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by don on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:24pm Many of the so called middle class whites in the outlying parishes are still waiting for relief. Kinda blows the whole argument out of the water. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:36pm on 09/06/05 at 19:21:32, floridian wrote:
And when the black mayor was high tailing it out of the city and the governer was crying on TV, niether one asked for the help they needed. Bush cant walk in there, he has to be asked to help.....its in the constitution! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Redneck on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:40pm on 09/06/05 at 19:24:28, don wrote:
All been New Orleans, many other areas have no help, no helicopers, no fucking fema, nothing. No Illnois, New Mexico, Kentucky, or countless state disaster medical assistance teams there. Calls coming in to help, nurses ,doctors, they all want to treat patients on the side fo I-10 where the fucking cameras are. They are on their own. Now off to get drunk and say to hell with the rest of the world for a few hours. Happy Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by don on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:41pm Only racists like Al Sharpton turn it into a racist issue. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:43pm on 09/06/05 at 19:41:27, don wrote:
And his mentor Farrakhan. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BarbaraD on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:52pm I think most of it is just total incompetence on the part of all the "so called" authorities -- they just dont have a clue what's going on or who's supposed to be in charge. Today all I've heard on the news is "We need a Rudy J to come in and take over!" At least no one had a doubt who was in charge when 9-11 happened. It was under "command" within a hour after it happened and no one questioned who the commander was. Here it is a week after the disaster and still no one has a clue who's in charge of what. Last night some idiot (I think it was the head of Homeland Secutiry) referred to the "City of Louisiana" - smart guy - right on top of things! Race - who knows -- income - definitely... Barbara Bush is right -- Texas needs some more people on welfare (hehe). How stupid was that remark!!!! Look at the bright side... Elections aren't that far away - WE CAN CHANGE THINGS.... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by JDH on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:52pm on 09/06/05 at 19:41:27, don wrote:
No, "Big Al" a racist?...please say it ain't so! http://tinyurl.com/9b5fz Jim |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Ree on Sep 6th, 2005, 8:18pm http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/03/kanye_west_george_bu.html Kanye West thinks so.......that was pretty entertaining the other night.... I thought to myself....oh oh here we go..... I don't think so..... I just think they were passing the buck..... and waiting for someone to take charge.... Washington ~~~ya gotta love them (NOT) our generation of politicians....cutting corners and ruining peoples lives daily.....sheesh..... ree |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by don on Sep 6th, 2005, 8:32pm Send in Gulliani ! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Racer1_NC on Sep 6th, 2005, 8:32pm on 09/06/05 at 19:52:35, BarbaraD wrote:
Your post may hold some water, but have you not ever misspoken? Geeze........he's supposed to be perfect? Bill |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by don on Sep 6th, 2005, 8:39pm Quote:
If he's head of Homeland Security, in the middle of a National disaster, and he made that statement then lets just say he need not be perfect but a little brighter than stupid |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Racer1_NC on Sep 6th, 2005, 8:43pm on 09/06/05 at 20:39:51, don wrote:
So if one misspeaks, they are stupid? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by don on Sep 6th, 2005, 9:20pm Pretty stupid mistake wouldn't you say? IF it was him that said it AND thats what he said. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 6th, 2005, 9:44pm Let me put it this way: People with season tickets to sporting events at the Superdome, did pretty well. This has been horribly embarrassing and it brought out the worst and best in us. The worst is that it shows a result of a kind of class warfare worthy of Dickens. The aftermath looks even worse; the poor and infirm wading around in toxic muck. Not a pretty sight. Certainly it demostrated that Homeland Security is run by the Marx Brothers. The only way this useless entity could have worked is by preemptive paper shredding. We've all heard of bureaucratic horrors but the man-made part of this disaster is a tragedy. This is where the President is supposed to get on the phone and tell these morons to knock it off and forget "procedure;" not to do so kills people. I have my doubts that even if Bush were informed, he'd spend too much time "not making a mistake" to make much difference. No testicles in Washington or state and local governments, it seems. At least the Guard and Army were ready but not allowed to move without reams of paperwork. It's unbelievable. FEMA needs to be taken out of Homeland Security, which is the most useless mess I've ever seen, and put in the Cabinet. Southern and other church groups managed to set up some aid stations within a couple days, but the Feds are still filling out forms. The best side is shown by ordinary people, Americans, and others. We have a true ruling class and they have a hard time understanding that unlike, Kennebunkport; poor people don't have their own helicopters. With them it's a war on poverty by way of getting rid of the poor. Of course there is that big elephant in the corner that no one here likes to talk about. Yes Wendy, it's impossible to ignore. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Edna on Sep 7th, 2005, 1:09am Woobs, think you hit it head on...........not so much the color of the skin, it's the money in the pocket. As I said in another post somewhere (don't remember which one, it's late here tonight)............so much of the area hard hit are at poverty levels. Many other parishes were as hard hit as in New Orleans. But, then comes the media, and as many of you said here............white, old, poor people don't sell their case quite as much. Time for the red tape shit to end so that these people can be truly helped. Don't think bumfuck Egypt would have to have waited so long for aid from our country in the wake up a natural disaster such as this. Horrible and painstakeingly heart wrenching. My hope is that before worrying about the blame of it, the aid needed becomes first priority. Yeah right!!! As if. hmmmm tired here now, EDNA |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 7th, 2005, 3:59am As much as I like you kids; I think you're trying too hard. Because of the media, life in New Orleans is very likely going to be better. http://smiles.ru/coll/mitek/family.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by pubgirl on Sep 7th, 2005, 7:08am on 09/07/05 at 06:53:57, karma wrote:
No it doesn't, the question assumes the response was too slow for the disaster at hand, not that it was intentional, more a failure rather than an intent. It was based on the news coverage here which uniformly suggests that aid of many kinds could have got there quicker and has reported that factions in the USA suggest this is because the majority of the victims were without political power, unconnected to anyone in power and lacked influence. The second inference reported here was that this in turn was because the population was mainly black. I asked because this is a pretty damn serious accusation to throw at your country. Wendy |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Sep 7th, 2005, 7:49am on 09/06/05 at 19:43:40, Sean_C wrote:
You forgot the self proclaimed "Reverend", Jesse Jackson. The worst racist in the USA. There was no race issue till he opened his mouth. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 7th, 2005, 11:22am Blame the victims for inadequate building techniques when they are devastated by the worse natural disaster to hit the U. S. since the San Francisco earthquake. Blame the media for showing more than one side of a story. I really miss the good old days when there wasn't national media. It was so much better then for those who had little if any voice. Blacks are the racists of course. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ghost62 on Sep 7th, 2005, 11:29am Ok Ill say it. That made no sense at all. ::) |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by burnt-toast on Sep 7th, 2005, 12:38pm This whole "race issue" issue is an absolute joke. We have people of all races suffering throughout the Gulf States, and people of all races supporting or providing rescue and relief efforts. The city of New Orleans and its residents are at the top of the media list due to the nature of the devistation there. Other Gulf Coast communities are just as devistated and just as displaced. We have simply exerienced the incompetence/red tape associated with a growing Federal Bureaucy that can no longer effectively serve the people of this nation. It wouldn't have mattered where this disaster happened. Race is something a few individuals want to use to re-energize the power bases they lost by doing little or nothing for the people they claim to speak for. On a final note; When our President was in New Orleans he repeatedly referred to the affected areas as "that part of the world" (instead of this part of our country). There appears to be a major disconnect between federal buracrates and most of our nation's people. Tom |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BikerBob on Sep 7th, 2005, 2:06pm It's not about race. The three top jobs at the Federal Emergency Management Agency under President Bush went to political cronies with no experience coping with catastrophes. Even if Bush were to fire embattled and suddenly invisible FEMA Director Michael Brown over his handling of Hurricane Katrina, the bureaucrat immediately below him is no disaster professional, either. While Brown ran horse shows in his last private-sector job, FEMA's No. 2 man, deputy director and chief of staff Patrick Rhode, was an advance man for the Bush-Cheney campaign and White House. Rhode's biography posted on FEMA's Web site doesn't indicate he has any experience in emergency response. In addition, the agency's former third-ranking official, deputy chief of staff Scott Morris, was a PR expert who worked for Maverick Media, the Texas outfit that produced TV and radio spots for the Bush-Cheney campaign. In June, Morris moved to Florida to become FEMA's long-term recovery director. "The Bush administration has apparently transformed FEMA from a professional, world-class emergency responder into a dumping ground for former campaign staff and political hacks," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan). FEMA also is hampered by several midlevel and regional director's jobs currently held by acting directors, Bush cronies with no experience in emergency response. "Just like our military, FEMA should be immune to this kind of political staffing. It should be run by career emergency response professionals," Maloney added. Traditionally, the Commerce and Labor departments have long been Washington's dumping ground for presidential pals and campaign operatives - not the disaster relief agency. Government sources blame Bush's first FEMA director, Joe Allbaugh, with turning FEMA into a patronage shop. He was chief of staff when Bush was Texas' governor and later headed the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign. "He stacked the deck with political appointees," a knowledgeable source said of Allbaugh. Yesterday, Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) met with Bush at the White House. She urged Bush at the White House on Tuesday to fire Michael Brown. He said "Why would I do that?" She said "because of all that went wrong, of all that didn't go right last week." And he said "What didn't go right?" She said he was "Oblivious, in denial, dangerous". BB |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Bob P on Sep 7th, 2005, 3:45pm Yes it is about race. That darned Louisissippi race. Lots of in-breeding there resulting in negative IQ's. When they were told to evacuate the city, they all ran for the beach to get out of the city. Then when they decided that wasn't a good idea, they left their 1500 school busses sitting in the parking lot and cried for the fat cats in DC to come save them. They have some French blood in them that causes them to eat things like swamp bugs and talk funny, saying things like dat dere boh is nekked. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Really, you're all getting sucked in by the hype. FEMA had response teams stationed before the storm came ashore and sent another 1000 FEMA responders within 6 hours after it came ashore. Here's a news flash for ya, this is what big disasters are like! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Sep 7th, 2005, 3:59pm on 09/07/05 at 15:45:07, Bob P wrote:
It seems like people would have realized this. They just want something to bi#ch about so they ignore the facts. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 4:03pm Wait till all those folks that had a mortgage on property find out that the mortgage company still wants to be paid...Disaster means nothing to them, Fuck you, pay me! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 7th, 2005, 4:30pm George Bush said in the Cabinet meeting the other day that we are problem solvers. Really? http://members.shaw.ca/wenpigs/confused/uhm.gif?SSImageQuality=Full I can imagine the level of screeching from the Republican noise machine if Bill Clinton were in office. No matter, it's horrible but I think other communities and ordinary people have done well in picking up the ball. Good for them. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 7th, 2005, 4:49pm on 09/07/05 at 11:22:15, Charlie wrote:
Thats the first I've read of that here. There were names of people who are racist brought up in conversation, but no one said that blacks are racist Charlie. And for the record, I've been to Louisianna, and they have "THE" most beautiful women on the face of the planet believe me when I tell ya ;;D Thier all extremely nice folks down there, southern hospitality at its best ;;D. Sean....................................... |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 7th, 2005, 4:52pm on 09/06/05 at 19:36:49, Jonny wrote:
That sounds good to people who don't know any better, but it is an ignorant lie. Bush was directly asked. By the Governor of Louisiana. In writing, using the proper verbage. She spelled out concerns and made a specific requests for the President to federalize the relief. She said things like "I have determined that this incident will be of such severity and magnitude that effective response will be beyond the capabilities of State and the affected local governments and that supplemental Federal assistance will be necessary." and "I request direct Federal assistance for work and services to save lives and protect property." She did that on August 28th. http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf Maybe you can think of some other bullshit to explain why Bush should not be held accountable for days of innaction, but "no one asked him" won't work. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:01pm I still don't think the delay was because of the color of someones skin. The real reason will come out in the inquiery. Someone will take the fall, its just who? Sean.................................... |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ghost62 on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:08pm on 09/07/05 at 16:30:11, Charlie wrote:
Charlie You said that correctly there! Even though I am a Republicrat I will agree with that point the fir would fly given the same senario with Bubba in ofce, but wait he was in ofce when andrew pushed through in 92 and the flood of 93, and I may be mistaken but with the exception of Rush not much neg was said and he wasnt blamed for it occuring. The response was equally slow and if not for the private citizens and religious groups it would have been worse. I guess we were lucky that andrew hit a less densly populated area where most of the people evacuated early enough. But back to the point even given that the important thing is the help however slow is getting there and the nation needs to remember this is not just a fad for the moment and it will take a long time to get it all done. How soon we forget the tragic events before a new one arises and becomes the new Black, or red, whichever you want to identify with. All I am saying is we as a nation of so called caring people need to focus for more than 60 days. ok im done |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:10pm on 09/07/05 at 16:52:51, floridian wrote:
Gee, it seems that nobody was pointing fingers until Tuesday when the levee's broke. Thats when the Governor cried and the runaway punk Mayor started screaming "Help" After that all kinds of shit happened..I guess you have no idea what it takes to move people and things during a disaster of that magnitude, Flo. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by burnt-toast on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:19pm on 09/07/05 at 16:03:17, Jonny wrote:
Jonny, The point that you make here is critical. After surviving one disaster - victims must establish a new life while continuing to pay for their old one. If the diaster wasn't covered you're screwed but even if it is covered some insurance companies will drag the settlement process out for 4 to 5 years before finally paying claims while homeowners pay two mortgages and possibly rack up huge legal bills to fight their insurance carrier. Many of these folks are going to find out that their problems are only beginning. The financial and insurance sharks run on dry land. Tom |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:23pm Thanks but don't tell anybody. They don't like to hear this. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/personal/scenic.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Common sense should apply in any case. Screw the rules. Ask to be asked. Better to be chastized for some inappropriate actions than being too late. He lives by such every day. This exactly what Presidents are for. I mean the guy is a PITA but not stupid. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ghost62 on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:26pm on 09/07/05 at 17:23:32, Charlie wrote:
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:26pm Both of you back to nuetral corners, keep the punches up, no low blows, last warning [smiley=referee.gif] Wendy you should of kept this shit on the other side of the pond, this ain't good :-/ Sean........................................ |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ghost62 on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:29pm What I am agreeing with Charlie for the most part and we are being civil. We both think more needs to be done and less said. Or act first then worry later. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:32pm If the mayor had been doing is job, he would not have waited for someone to come and do his job. He dropped the ball on his own people and is embarassed so he can blame everyone but himself. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:37pm on 09/07/05 at 17:32:51, Jonny wrote:
He's definately not the most polished of Mayors I'll have to agree ;;D http://www.infoimagination.org/ps/drug_war/cocaine/images_cocaine/crack_smoker.jpeg Sean........................................... |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:41pm When your sound bytes include: "Im not one of those drug addicts" "I want to thank the President for sending in this John Wayne dude" And you are the Mayor......You should be drug tested! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 7th, 2005, 5:44pm on 09/07/05 at 17:41:27, Jonny wrote:
ROTMFFLMMFAO that was the best [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Bob P on Sep 7th, 2005, 6:01pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 7th, 2005, 6:36pm Anyone read the 9/12 edition of Newsweek? Just was reading that on the train ride home today....certainly made a few things more clear...instead of just heresay from here and there. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 6:41pm on 09/07/05 at 18:36:25, Lizzie2 wrote:
While the Mayor ran away....all these buses sat....Couldnt they have been used to get the elderly out? http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.flpc21109012015.hurricane_katrina_flpc211.jpg But, the Mayor feels free to tell you "Im not one of those drug addicts....Why did he say that? Edit to add: I count 213 buses (Thats all I can see in the picture) Average school bus holds 43......thats 9,159 people. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 7th, 2005, 6:48pm Well...I didn't read any of the 'drug addict' commentary from the mayor in the article, but then I didn't finish reading it yet - it's not a huge long train ride. And yes - they should've used the buses and everything else they have..... You know I'd save every one of em if I could.....we've a sign up now for people who can go volunteer from our hospital for 2 weeks....just don't know that I can as I live paycheck to paycheck as it is. But hopefully there will be a chance to help take care of those being flown into our city under Project Brotherly Love - bunches of nurses and docs were there today to help.... If I sat here asking why, I'd never leave the apartment again... So my question to myself now is what can I do? I don't know that we'll ever have the answers we're looking so hard for - at least with respect to the 'why'. :-/ :'( |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 7:05pm Nah, the media has nothing to do with making their own story.....WTF? http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloadsnew/cj_48520.wmv "So Black?" |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Redneck on Sep 7th, 2005, 7:12pm Ya'll really don't want me to reply to this bullshit. And you really don't want my thoughts, cause they ain' suitable for mixed company. So now I will leave this board for awhile. Going back south soon. Piss and moan, complain, point fingers. But stay the fuck outta my way, don't ever get in my face cause now I am real fucking mad. Bye |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 7:20pm Not real sure which posts you mean, Jim. But questions will always be asked and debated my brother. BTW, the folks here have been backing your way since day one and praying for you. Good luck to you and all those you help, man. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 7th, 2005, 7:31pm on 09/07/05 at 17:10:18, Jonny wrote:
Tuesday when the levees broke - yah, that should have been a clue. http://www.med-owl.com/pix/manslaughter_duo.jpeg So why was Emperor Nero still on vacation, strumming his gitar on WEDNESDAY afternoon?? Why did Emperor Nero say on Thurdsday that nobody expected the levees to break, when the Director of the National Hurricane Center said: “‘We were briefing them way before landfall. … It’s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped.’” The local and state authorities were overwhelmed. They authorized the Feds to step in. They asked and pleaded for help. And Nero fiddled. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 7:40pm on 09/07/05 at 19:31:38, floridian wrote:
Right, do you not read the words I type? Why was the Mayor giving interviews that he "Is not one of those drug addicts"? And why was the Governer crying? BTW...The Prez sent in Damn John Wayne....LMAO ;;D Did you see the buses, Flo?......Did ya? Who fucked up, Flo? Who? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 7:51pm Just incase you missed it, Flo http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.flpc21109012015.hurricane_katrina_flpc211.jpg The "Im not one of those drug addicts" Mayor left these buses sitting here while he fled the city and left his old and poor people to suffer the wrath of Katrina. get a brain dude! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 7th, 2005, 8:14pm This "drug addict" thing sounds very much like one of the ultra wacko right wing blog things that have been used in every election ala swift boats, etc. Here, they did it to a friend of mine running for State Senate last year. It consisted of a long list of shit unrelated to anything in the election or sanity. They accused her of voting to import Russian milk in New York State. Utter nonsense and this kind of shit is the reason I left the GOP. http://www.subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/thumb/thmbdn.gif?SSImageQuality=Full The thing is that the left has to start the same thing. It's the only way to appeal to the gullible. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BlueMeanie on Sep 7th, 2005, 8:17pm Good point jonny. He had days to evacuate. Why wait for the pres ? This had nothing to do with race, it was a terrible tragedy that went awry. :( |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 7th, 2005, 8:20pm on 09/07/05 at 20:14:45, Charlie wrote:
Charlie....Have you not heard all the sound bytes from this guy? LMMFAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BikerBob on Sep 7th, 2005, 8:37pm on 09/07/05 at 20:20:01, Jonny wrote:
jonny, the fact that you're "LMMFAO" during this disaster and using consumptionjunction as your news source is SICK. BB |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 7th, 2005, 9:03pm on 09/07/05 at 20:37:01, BikerBob wrote:
I use that too, got a problem with that BikerBOY Your taking what he said out of context. Reread it. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BikerBob on Sep 7th, 2005, 9:40pm BikerBOY ?? Here's Sean_C the fag... As jonny wrote: Sean, waiting for Don (Poor bastard was like this for hours) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/jonny68/P1010012.jpg |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by CHTom on Sep 7th, 2005, 10:41pm on 09/07/05 at 19:51:14, Jonny wrote:
Somehow I don't believe that those buses were built to run underwater.... |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by TxBasslady on Sep 8th, 2005, 3:47am on 09/07/05 at 19:12:19, Redneck wrote:
Not sure why you felt it necessary to even ask the question in the first place. Guess you knew it would cause a stir..."on this side of the pond." Opinions are like a$$holes....everybodies got one. Ya pissed off my friend....that'd be my Redneck buddy. He's one that's been over in the area trying to help for days on end with little or no sleep. He even has to go back....and again, I'll worry about his well being and his safety. I feel the way Jimbo does.....guess us rednecks have to stick together. Some folks here are never happy, unless they're stirring the pot. Y'all enjoy....see ya. Jean |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by pubgirl on Sep 8th, 2005, 4:55am on 09/07/05 at 17:26:48, Sean_C wrote:
This "shit" came from your side of the pond, the suggestions are not ours. Is it so wrong to ask the opinion of those who actually may know what the real situation is when a suggestion as serious as this is made? I'm not trying to stir, it is a serious question about a very serious matter. The alternative as a foreigner is either total disinterest in what happens to your country and only caring about our own (I suspect you wouldn't have liked that idea when your country wanted support for the war) or the other option is we just believe what is being said over there without questioning it. Wendy |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by karma on Sep 8th, 2005, 6:16am Wendy, You have raised an issue that for some reason people are genuinly afraid to talk about. "Racism in the U.S." It there just like everywhere else but not an issue in the relief effort. Some will try and manufacture news but thats where it ends. Nuff said. I deleted my other posts because I want no part of all the B.S. flying around now and Redneck is right " If you weren't there STFU! (My words not his) added: Wendy, the last comment is not directed at you |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 8th, 2005, 7:54am News is 10% truth and 90% bullshit (and I'm being generous). If I get pissed off as to what other countries news media spews to their audience, then I better let the asylum know to get my room ready. :P |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:00am Ya got me BB ;;D I knew that would push your button ;;D We're even ;;D I'm leaving this Wendy thread, its not good for any of us and kind of tasteless. If ya brought up "this shit" on her side of the pond she'd lock up the thread. I'm rowing somewheres else. Sean............................ |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by nani on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:15am Wendy asked a question. Some of us answered with our opinions. Others were offended by the answers. Are Americans the only ones allowed to ask questions about America? [smiley=huh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Frank_W on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:22am Personally, I think idiots like this West fellow, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakhan, etc. do more damage to race relations. By constantly slamming everyone in the face with the race card, they only cause racism to be more of an issue. For moderate whites, (myself included) when we get smacked with this shit again and again, it creates a very real anger. Black people playing the race card has allowed high-profile blacks to get away with (literally!) murder. I'm finally to the point where I think maybe Farakhan has a good point: Let the blacks have their separate "homeland." In fact, give them a shipping port, manufacturing base, and the plants, refineries, and education to run all of these things, their own police force, their own schools, and their own government, just like the Indian reservations. I'd like to see this done as a social experiment, and I'd like to see what it's like in one year, three years, five years, and ten years. Then there's no one to blame, no one to rail against, no race card to flaunt in anyone's faces. I'm pretty sure I know how things would turn out. And if that makes me a racist, fine. So be it. I'm just sick and fuckin' tired of this shit. Incidentally, a friend of mine (who is black) saw this broadcast (the one where West says that Bush doesn't care about black people) and just shook his head and said, "What an a$$hole...." |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by pubgirl on Sep 8th, 2005, 12:57pm on 09/08/05 at 08:00:02, Sean_C wrote:
Sean [smiley=girlflash.gif] actually almost true, but not quite, we lock racist posts or jokes (actually we delete them) on our MB, but reasonable discussion is fine as long as it isn't hijacking a CH thread where people are looking for advice or support. W |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ghost62 on Sep 8th, 2005, 1:37pm Well did we decide who won the race? Or would someone winning cause someone to loose and that would make them feel bad so we cant have winners or loosers? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 2:32pm on 09/07/05 at 20:37:01, BikerBob wrote:
Oh me, Oh my!...Jonny is not posting by Bobs rules and hes laughing ;;D Try as you may to make me look bad to this family, Boob....its been tried many times and always fails. Just like a few months ago when you posted that my med advice was going to get someone killed...Dont make me laugh (its against your posting rules ;;D ) There will come a time when you will accept me as your King ;;D ...I can wait....LOL |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 8th, 2005, 2:33pm on 09/08/05 at 08:15:17, nani wrote:
When I married my wife I looked at her directly in the eyes and said that from this point on you'll have to get used to the fact that I will always have the last two words. She didn't say a word. Then I whispered to her they'll always be "yes dear" ;;D Sean........................................ ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BikerBob on Sep 8th, 2005, 2:44pm on 09/08/05 at 14:32:00, Jonny wrote:
Jonny, don't lie, it was you who posted that you thought BobW's advice "was going to get someone killed". Look it up in the archives. BB |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 8th, 2005, 2:46pm on 09/06/05 at 19:21:32, floridian wrote:
48 hours before landfall, President Bush declared the entire state of Louisianna a national disaster area and told the governor to implement a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans. The governor decided to wait another 24 hours before initiating the order to evacuate New Orleans. She was too aprehensive of turning power over to the feds. And hardly any of the steps for evacuation were accomplished. There were scores of school bus drivers at the ready to go down and drive bus loads of people out of there, using New Orleans school district busses, but the mayor of New Orleans said that wasn't good enough, he wanted every Greyhound bus on the move down there to get the people out. That never happened (reality check needed for anyone who thinks it could have happened fast enough). So now all of the busses in N.O. are junk and they sat there waiting to be used to evacuate people, but according to the mayor, they weren't good enough. Let's at least be fair with the blame game. Edit to add - My caucasion mother was without power until Friday. Her town has no media coverage whatsoever. Homes were destroyed there as well. And no one has been there to clear the roads yet. But she is not bitching, just thankful to be alive. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 2:59pm on 09/08/05 at 14:44:26, BikerBob wrote:
LMAO (Oppps, sorry ;;D ) The two things that the folks here know is, I say exactly whats on my mind and I dont lie. Keep trying, Sucker.....;) |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 8th, 2005, 3:19pm Unreal, some of the ideas about race relations dug up by bloggers and quoted here. They read like things 50 years old. The problem Jonny and so many have with blogs and "news" sources is that with something like consumptionjunction is that it's too easy. It's no way to learn news and opinion of the other side. It's like reading only Ann Coulter for information. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 3:31pm on 09/08/05 at 15:19:08, Charlie wrote:
Charlie, the only thing I posted from that site was the picture of the busses...you saying the picture is not real? BTW, have you ever been to that site? ;;D Edit to add: Heres a link to the site, tell me this is a blog or news site.....LMAO http://www.consumptionjunction.com/home.asp |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 8th, 2005, 3:39pm No. I've seen the picture on a newscast somewhere. It's horrible if they were stuck because of ineptitude by the Mayor. I don't know that. He's no Einstein either. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/sigh.gif |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 8th, 2005, 3:42pm on 09/08/05 at 15:39:04, Charlie wrote:
I'm thinking the mayor of a city has more logistical knowledge of resources available to him in case of an emergency does than the president. Just my opinion. Gulianni sure as hell did a great job without much federal input. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by minnie on Sep 8th, 2005, 3:47pm Thomas I'm so sorry your Mom's going through this but I'm glad she is ok and seems to be taking things as they come.Is her home O.K. Is there any thing we can do.Please keep us informed.Your mom will be in my prayers. Minnie Please tell Gina I said HI |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 8th, 2005, 3:47pm on 09/08/05 at 15:42:27, thomas wrote:
Well said Thomas. edit: I didn't know anything about your mom Thomas, let me know too if there's anything I can do ok? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 8th, 2005, 3:50pm Yes indeed. If anyplace needed Rudi, it's the victims stuck in this rancid mess. I saw a bunch of Peroia, Illinois firefighters stuck outside of N. O. for days, with nothing to do but toss a football around. They brought everything, even their own water and food. They were still waiting as of yesterday for permission to help out. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/surrender.png Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BikerBob on Sep 8th, 2005, 4:16pm on 09/08/05 at 15:31:11, Jonny wrote:
First of all, here's the headline on that site: "Part of the SickSiteNetwork.com" "Want more sick shit?" "CONSUMPTION JUNCTION" "WHAT'S YOUR DYSFUNCTION" Special sections: "FREE SMUT" and "HATEMAIL" Secondly, you lied again about only posting once from that site, about the busses. In this thread alone, you posted from it twice. Check reply #58 in this thread. BB |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 4:31pm on 09/08/05 at 16:16:28, BikerBob wrote:
You make my case, its not a blog or a news site ;;D Post #58 is actual footage from the TV , forgive me for forgetting I posted that, but!! (Big "But" here, Bob, its true ;;D ) You still have yet to prove I lied the first time ;;D ...Put it this way, Bob, when someone will say ANTHING on his mind and does not give a fuck what anyone thinks....He dont need to lie....LMMFAO!!! Becareful, Bob.....You keep gunning for me like this and my supporters just might come gunning for your sorry ass.....BWWAAAHHHH!!! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 8th, 2005, 4:38pm SickSites? http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/faq.gif Now I remember. Thanks for that. Not my idea of "fair and balanced." Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/bored.gif |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 8th, 2005, 4:53pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 5:07pm :-X Im not going to laugh at that, Flo (its against the rules ;;D ) I think Charlie should serve us drinks......LMAO ;;D Opps! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ghost62 on Sep 8th, 2005, 5:17pm on 09/08/05 at 14:46:34, thomas wrote:
Just want to see if anyone else caught these statements because I watched the news conf when he said that and I just kept thinking but they are good enough to carry kids to and from school and on field trips? I tried to stay out of the way but just couldnt. I am not going to point blame but I hope when it is all sad and done the proper people whoever they are answer for what they did or didnt do. But all the same it was an act of nature that actually caused it and like most here if not all we need to help where we can and pray for the best. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 6:32pm on 09/08/05 at 17:17:20, ghost62 wrote:
Nope, didnt catch these things I have been typing about for days ;;D There were scores of school bus drivers at the ready to go down and drive bus loads of people out of there, using New Orleans school district busses, but the mayor of New Orleans said that wasn't good enough, he wanted every Greyhound bus on the move down there to get the people out. How many times do I have to post this? http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.flpc21109012015.hurricane_katrina_flpc211.jpg |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BikerBob on Sep 8th, 2005, 7:19pm That picture was taken AFTER the buses were used to ferry people to the Superdome and the Convention Center. "The school-bus or transit-bus evacuations out of town wouldn't have worked. New Orleans had a terrible time getting folks out of the city during a mandatory evacuation last year. The traffic out of town was so bad, there was no guarantee the buses would have gotten their occupants out far enough to safety. Also, such a plan was dependent on getting enough volunteer drivers -- which there was no guarantee. Plus when you have an estimated 140,000 residents without a car, such an evacuation by bus would have been hopelessly inadequate. So they tried to formulate something different. They decided to use buses during a mandatory evacuation to ferry people to the Superdome and Convention Center, which they did. They also urged carless residents to get to those facilities, ride it out there the best they could and wait for the calvary to arrive. Not an ideal situation, but the best they could manage with the time available. New Orleans realized some problems with the evacuation last year and tried to find improvements on the fly, without knowing how well they'd work until the situation presented itself. Also, the president declared a state of emergency in Louisiana on Aug. 26 -- well before the hurricane struck land. The declaration "authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate *all* (my emphasis) disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe ... Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency." In other words, FEMA was given full authority to take whatever action was necessary before, during and after the storm. Once FEMA steps in, the ball's essentially in their court to run the show. Plus you had local officials receiving repeated assurances from the feds. Unfortunately, many Louisianans realized too late that federal help was slow in coming." |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 7:22pm on 09/08/05 at 19:19:41, BikerBob wrote:
Show me your source! There got to be links that support this....OR, Are you a LIAR! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 8th, 2005, 7:33pm So are my search engine skills rusty, or is somebody twisting a quote? Did Nagin really say that school buses weren't good enough, he wanted every Greyhound bus on the move down there to get the people out? The only quote I can find is: “This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans.” And he said that when people were sitting on their roofs or swimming in their own piss in the stadium, and I doubt he would have refused school buses at that point. OK, here is the source - newsmax.com. They use the same quote as everyone else heard (which asked for greyhounds on thursday after the tragedy), but those lying sacks of shit use verbal photoshop to make it sound like he said that before the crisis. So fuck you newsmax and fuck you anyone else who repeats that lie because they are either a liar or a stupid tool. That kind of deception is really no better than the con artists that are trying to enrich themselves from this tragedy. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 8th, 2005, 7:36pm on 09/08/05 at 19:33:21, floridian wrote:
My nipples just got hard ;;D Thanks Flo ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 7:45pm "I am not one of those drug addicts." Nuff said! If you cant get by that you are a Bush hater to the core! Take the blinds off on this. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 7:52pm on 09/08/05 at 19:33:21, floridian wrote:
Oh yeah, the whole world is against you and twisting quotes......LMMFAO ( Sorry, Bob) ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BikerBob on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:16pm on 09/08/05 at 19:22:13, Jonny wrote:
You're the one who posted that picture several times. You prove when that picture was taken. It must have been taken after the buses were used to ferry people to the Superdome and Convention Center because the levee breaks and flooding of the city didn't happen until afterward. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by nani on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:24pm on 09/08/05 at 19:33:21, floridian wrote:
Wow, Flo... I got all tingly when you used the F word. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:31pm I agree with Colin Powell: Quote:
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:35pm on 09/08/05 at 20:16:45, BikerBob wrote:
Dont have to, even Charlie seen it....LOL ;;D on 09/08/05 at 15:39:04, Charlie wrote:
Keep plugging away at me,Bob...It will never get you anywhere! Im Teflone Jonny [smiley=headbanger.gif] |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:48pm on 09/08/05 at 19:45:40, Jonny wrote:
Ok, we agree he said this: Quote:
Even people who don't hate Bush agree that was/is an alcoholic, and Bush refused to answer charges that he used cocaine - he could have said "no, I didn't" or he could have told the truth, but instead he refused to answer the question. So when the mayor went several days with no sleep, and made the above statements, I don't see how that discredits him. The question of why school buses weren't used is a real one that deserves to be answered. But making up shit about how the Mayor refused the VW Bugs because he wanted the Mercedes Benz people is a cheap and evil ploy to play pin the blame on the donkey so that people don't notice the giant elephant in the room. There are multiple fecal piles on the floor - If you want to accurately account for the stench, you need to honestly describe each of them. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:51pm on 09/08/05 at 20:16:45, BikerBob wrote:
In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is: 1. The Mayor 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor) 3. The Governor 4. The Head of Homeland Security 5. The President What did each do? 1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political appointees) 3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit. 4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them 5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it. Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt government going all the way back to Huey Long. Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicians and their friends. Decades of socialist government in New Orleans has sapped all self reliance from the community, and made them dependent upon Political correctness and a lack of will to fight crime have created the single most corrupt police force in the country, and has permitted gang violence to flourish. The sad thing is that there are many poor folks who have suffered and died needlessly because those that they voted into office failed them. For those who missed item 5 (where the President's level of accountability is discussed), it is made more clear in a New Orleans Times-Picayune article dated August 28: NEW ORLEANS (AP) - In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin. Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome. The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights. Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. The ball was placed in Mayor Nagin's court to carry out the evacuation order. With a 5-day heads-up, he had the authority to use any and all services to evacuate all residents from the city, as documented in a city emergency preparedness plan. By waiting until the last minute, and failing to make full use of resources available within city limits, Nagin and his administration fucked up. Mayor Nagin and his emergency sidekick Terry Ebbert have displayed lethal, mind boggling incompetence before, during and after Katrina. As for Mayor Nagin, he and his profile in pathetic leadership police chief should resign as well. That city's government is incompetent from one end to the other. The people of New Orleans deserve better than this crowd of clowns is capable of giving them. If you're keeping track, these boobs let 569 buses that could have carried 33,350 people out of New Orleans, IN ONE TRIP, get ruined in the floods. Whatever plan these guys had, it was a dud. Or it probably would have been if they'd bothered to follow it. Sean.................................... |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:52pm on 09/08/05 at 20:31:12, Melissa wrote:
Did I not say that close to the begining of this thread?? Thanks for coming to my side, CP and Melissa!! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 8th, 2005, 8:56pm Quote:
Am I the only one here who finds this kinda scary? I sure to hell hope that our government officials in WI know just WTF to do in case of crisis. And for good measure, I am preparing for my family....just in case. :( |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by vig on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:06pm Sure, maybe FEMA was slow and I've seen quite a few reports of outright incompentence... This one's my favorite so far: "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." -George W. Bush (alas, I'm beginning to EXPECT stupidity from him) ... but Mayor Nagin is tops on the list of the culpable. my $.02 |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:08pm on 09/08/05 at 20:52:31, floridian wrote:
I dunno, did you? ;;D You should know that I read no one elses posts but my own Flo. lmao ;) |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BikerBob on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:22pm on 09/08/05 at 20:51:07, Sean_C wrote:
At least you could have put that in quotes, Sean. Are you trying to impress us as if you wrote it yourself? Obviously you didn't write it. You copied it from someone else's blog, and I can prove it. BB |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:33pm on 09/08/05 at 20:51:07, Sean_C wrote:
I don't think the end of Jim Crow and the PC movement created the most corrupt police force in the country, it just turned it into an equal opportunity employer. The city wouldn't have turned 'socialist' if capitalism hadn't failed during the great depression - damn you, public libraries and other socialist corrupters of youth. Where are the real roots of the fact that a city in the USA is culturally and economically more like Haiti than we'd like to admit? Is the poverty and instability really new? Or something as old as the city, just waiting for a crisis to errupt?? Levees are Not a city responsibilty - they are the responsibility of state charted districts, and like the interstate highways, necessarily involve lots of federal grants (which Bush tried to slash by 80% when he did that Iraq thing). On one hand, Bush has described this as the worst tragedy in American history, on the other hand, he was vacationing through most of it. The things he and his FEMA cronies said would be hilarious if not for the tragedy behind it. Yes, Melissa, there is reason to be concerned. The entire government is dysfunctional when it comes to emergency response, and there is not much chance of fixing the problems when so many people refuse to admit they exist. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:34pm on 09/08/05 at 21:22:48, BikerBob wrote:
Does it matter where it came from, who ever wrote that knows N.O. better than me or you as you can see. I researched a little of it and I think I'd have a hard time picking it apart. I liked it, take it or tear it apart, its just ink. Sean.............................................. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:37pm on 09/08/05 at 20:56:13, Melissa wrote:
I'll tell you what, I would be scared to DEATH, if I had to rely on my city government to take care of a disaster of this magnitude. Our mayor and city council are so inept and out of touch with reality. If I were to post about the shit they do and say on a daily basis here, you would all think I was full of shit, as they have absolutely zero ounces of common sense amongst the lot of them, and they are mostly white too. Race has nothing to do with the content of any one's character, unless that individual wants it to. I grew up in the deep south and was immersed in racism, finally I was thrown into the real world and realized that we are all really supposed to be on the same team. If I choose to dislike some one, the color of their skin has nothing to do with it whatsoever. I once heard from a young black man "You are inherently evil, due to the color of your skin, you are just a product of your heritage, nothing you do in this lifetime will save you from your destiny, due to the skin that you are in." Now that has to be the most racist remark I have ever heard. I personally have no stomach for racism, no matter what race is being discriminated against. We are THE MOST culturaly diverse land in the world, yet we all sit and point fingers and whisper epitaths about one another. All I can say is that in 2008 I hope to be voting for Condie for president. Every one who knows me in "real life" knows that I am one of the most color blind people in the world. But I never hesitate to take a stand for what I believe in, that is my right, given to me by God and country. Last time I checked I still had the rights God gave me, the ones given me by country are fading fast it seems. Some people take differences of opinion way too far. I don't know why we can't disagree and leave it at that, without hating each other and calling each other morons, idiots and fuckwads. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BobG on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:38pm So, we have decided this whole mess was not racial. Right? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:39pm on 09/08/05 at 21:33:10, floridian wrote:
So ture, so true. The bold letters apply to everything, not just disaster response. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:42pm on 09/08/05 at 21:38:22, BobG wrote:
Second ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:45pm on 09/08/05 at 21:38:22, BobG wrote:
This has nothing to do with race, its about when ineptitude, arrogance, idiocy, unpreparedness, and disaster all meet at the same time. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Kevin_M on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:46pm Quote:
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This seems like the drug addicts he was referring to at the end, the ones he mentioned previously in the interview. But this is the scary part: Quote:
How about, a problem for the people of his city who were dependent upon some leadership for an ounce of prevention. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ckelly181 on Sep 8th, 2005, 9:58pm This is an interesting article on the topic: http://www.slate.com/?id=2125812&nav=tap2/ Had the residents of New Orleans been white Republicans in a state that mattered politically, instead of poor blacks in city that didn't, Bush's response surely would have been different. Compare what happened when hurricanes Charley and Frances hit Florida in 2004. Though the damage from those storms was negligible in relation to Katrina's, the reaction from the White House was instinctive, rapid, and generous to the point of profligacy. Bush visited hurricane victims four times in six weeks and delivered relief checks personally. Michael Brown of FEMA, now widely regarded as an incompetent political hack, was so responsive that local officials praised the agency's performance. Have to add on a different note - the news coming from BBC reporters is far more graphic than from the states. I've been watching CNN like a rabid dog, and was stunned by the comparison. They make no bones about their feelings for the president. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 8th, 2005, 10:02pm on 09/08/05 at 21:58:54, ckelly181 wrote:
And why should it matter what their opinion is, they are not U.S. citizens, so their opinion on our elected president has no weight at all. I may not care much for Tony Blair, and I definately don't like the idea of monarchs, but the Brits don't care about that, because I am not one of them and have zero input into how their government should work. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ckelly181 on Sep 8th, 2005, 10:12pm Well, I know what your opinion is of teachers, but you're not a teacher, so I don't care about your opinion on schools and education. I was making an observation - mainly because Wendy had referenced the feelings of other people in the world. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 8th, 2005, 10:21pm on 09/08/05 at 22:12:01, ckelly181 wrote:
LOL, no you know my opinion on the teacher's union. I think there are a few good teachers out there (I also think that there are a few good democrats out there). But I think a lot of what is being taught at school should be taught at home. The public education system in this country would be so much more efficient if we could cut out some administrative costs and pay the teachers some of those salaries. And let parents discipline their children at home, so they will know how to act when under a teachers supervision and the teacher can concentrate on teaching what the children are going to need to know to survive in the real world. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 8th, 2005, 10:25pm Where did the drug user quote originate? I haven't heard it nor do I know the context. The idea of spending day after day using it to shift blame to the Mayor won't work. If so, it wouldn't be relegated to internet blogs and right wing crackpots. FEMA originally set up its headquarters everywhere but directly in the affected area while MSNBC, CNN, FOX, other media, churches, national and local charities, and people like you and me, found a way in. When people look at New Orleans, they see glaring incompetence and injustice where rich people were evacuated and the poor people were left in a hideous rancid swamp. They also see some conservatives blaming the poor for not saving themselves. It's more than local governments can handle; no matter their parties. The criticism is coming just as hard, and sometimes harder, from the right. You're not going to be able to fall back on your usual "liberal media" scapegoat this time. This is one Dubya can't hide from. This is Bush's problem. This little glitch is out in the open, and he can't censor the images like he does bodybag photos from the Iraq war. Bush is the President and a President's job is to get in the middle of things and make them work better, not make "I feel your pain" speeches while the Vice President is vacationing in Wyoming. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BlueMeanie on Sep 8th, 2005, 10:36pm on 09/08/05 at 21:58:54, ckelly181 wrote:
That is the most sickening mis-information I've read on this thread yet. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 8th, 2005, 10:40pm Man, I want so much to get into this, but I'm not gonna. So I'm bowing out of this thread now, if not for my own sanity sake, but maybe someone elses. ;) |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BobG on Sep 8th, 2005, 10:44pm Quote:
LMAO! [smiley=laugh.gif] Wyoming? He went there on purpose? What a dumb ass. Probably looking for dried up oil wells for Halliburton to buy and claim a loss on. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BikerBob on Sep 8th, 2005, 10:55pm on 09/08/05 at 22:25:51, Charlie wrote:
The drug addict quote came from Jonny, who probably got it from his news source comsumptionjunction. It was taken completely out of context. Floridian pointed this out earlier by posting the original statement by Ray Nagin in it's context... Quote:
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by CHTom on Sep 9th, 2005, 12:11am I think that eventually the neocons will wind up blaming the whole mess on Bill Clinton....and Hillary. Maybe Bush & Co. have been reading the threads here about mushrooms and have been overdosing on them...they certainly have been out of touch with reality for a long time. Despite running up the biggest budget deficit in histroy-and then giving tax cuts to their rich friends and corporations in the middle of a very expensive war, Bush said the other day that, despite the enormous amount of money that it will take to fix NO and other areas damaged by Katrina (Congress just authorized $52 billion as a first step), he still plans to continue to implement further tax cuts!!!!! Among our largest creditors is China, communist, dictatorial, dangerous China. Bush has put this country in a real bad spot and he will make it worse unless the people and the Congress (Democrats, get off your asses!) put a stop to his craziness...even if God talks to him! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by karma on Sep 9th, 2005, 9:36am Quote:
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 9th, 2005, 9:40am WTF is a neocon anyway? Sounds like a pain rub or some type of analgeisic. I love how every year there is a new word invented by the left. Just proves to me which side of the aisle is really closed minded. The left doesn't want to work together, and never have. All they want is to see the total obliteration of all the values this country was built on and start 1984, for real. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by maffumatt on Sep 9th, 2005, 11:51am neocon is a liberal term, they like it because it sounds like neo nazi. Sounds scarey........ |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 9th, 2005, 12:30pm on 09/09/05 at 11:51:58, maffumatt wrote:
Boy, is that ever below the belt! What a low-life, dirty thing to do. I wonder if whoever coined the term can be prosecuted for hate crimes? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 9th, 2005, 1:33pm My friend sent me this link this morning to a story by 2 EMS workers who were at a conference in N.O. when Katrina hit. It's really something else to read... http://www.emsnetwork.org.nyud.net:8090/artman/publish/article_18337.shtml |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jimmy B. on Sep 9th, 2005, 1:42pm on 09/09/05 at 11:51:58, maffumatt wrote:
It's not a liberal term... ;;D It's short for Neo-conservative...i.e. "An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s: “The neo-conservatism of the 1980s is a replay of the New Conservatism of the 1950s, which was itself a replay of the New Era philosophy of the 1920s” The shortened version "neo-con" was originally labeled by the New York times...(The neocons and hard-liners have long felt that no Soviet leader could be trusted” (New York Times)...hence "I guess" the liberal label. Hey, blame it all on the liberals...they blame it all on the conservatives. Maybe that's why nothing ever gets accomplished. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sandy_C on Sep 9th, 2005, 1:50pm Wendy, I'm sorry you had to ask the "race" question because obviously it has caused a firestorn on these boards. But, yes, unfortunately, racism is alive and well in the United States. But, I (IMHO) don't think race played any part in evacuating, bringing aid and relief to those effected by the Hurricane. What did play the part entirely was the "Haves" and the "Have Nots". No money, no political influence, no homes of their own (renters), low paying jobs if jobs at all. In other words, not necessary people (not in my opinion!). When I watched the news and saw the picture that Jonny posted with all of those school buses just parked in a pond, I became incensed. Again IMHO, why was not every, and I mean EVERY, vechicle, including the famous horse drawn carriages of Bourbon Street, put to use in getting out those people who had no transportation, were too ill, were too old, were too poor? This falls right on the Mayor's head - he's the one who called for the mandatory evacuation but he had no plans to evacuate those who needed his help most. And, I also read a letter to the editor of my local newspaper, and I have not yet verified it on my own, so for what it's worth, President Bush visited a small town in, I believe, Mississippi and was comforting a family who had lost their entire home and belongings and comaried their loss to Trent Lott's loss of his home, specifically mentioning the loss of Mr. Lott's treasured front porch. Trent Lott has millions, this family has nothing. If this is true, and I would love someone to help me find this, Mr. Bush should have just used his visit at a photo-op and kept his mouth shut. And now, I'm done with this thread also. Sandy |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by CHTom on Sep 9th, 2005, 2:11pm Bush's spin machine is working very hard to try to pin the blame for the whole mess on the mayor, but even if that were true-and I don't believe that it is-Bush still can't escape the fact that when called to help the feds-his people, the FEMA director whose only qualifications for the job were that he is a friend of Homeland Security (his prior job was running horse shows and he wasn't too good at that) responded so slowly and were so out of touch with reality (the FEMA director did not know, until 3 days had passed, that there were 15,000 people trapped in the convention center with no food, water, electricity, medical aid, etc.-guess he doesn't watch CNN because it is "too liberal"; even after he found out-and by then the feds were in control-he did nothing to aid those people. From reading the posts of people here who are down there, the feds are still screwing things up. Even Georgie admitted that the federal response was not satisfactory-really! Now he's talking about heading his own investigation into why his buddies screwed up and continue to do so....they should be fired, but after all, they are his friends, so they'll probably get the Medal of Freedom like George Tenant, the wonderful former CIA director who provided all of that misinformation that got us into Iraq (read what Colin Powell had to say about that-it was on the news today and should be in most newspapers. This time I don't think that blaming everything on the mayor is going to work for Bush and he can't use 9/11 as an excuse. Throw the bums out of office! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by vig on Sep 9th, 2005, 2:12pm Here's my next favorite of the week: "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job" -GWBush regarding Michael Brown, head of FEMA http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/09/katrina.brown.reut/index.html oops! by the way, Louisiana and Mississippi were both red states.... |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by jimbo on Sep 9th, 2005, 2:25pm Unfortunately, the elderly, sick and children got caught up in this mess and not of their own accord. But to bring race into this equation is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. If some people think race was a factor then maybe they should send back all of the money donated to the cause by non-African Americans and do the clean-up themselves. I just love the way everyone gets labeled because of the actions of a few. jimbo |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 3:59pm on 09/08/05 at 20:16:45, BikerBob wrote:
on 09/08/05 at 19:33:21, floridian wrote:
Mayor Nagin: 10,000 Counts of Manslaughter Written by John Armor Friday, September 09, 2005 New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said in an obscenity-laced tirade on WWL radio last Thursday that the federal government should have sent “Greyhound buses” to evacuate his city. He said school buses were inadequate because they lack bathrooms. There was an Evacuation Plan, written in 2000 and updated since. It states that New Orleans should be evacuated at the mayor’s order. He should declare that “48 hours in advance.” It also states that he should use “public buses” including transit and school buses. One of the duties of any Mayor of New Orleans is to know his obligations under this plan, based on state and federal law. Plus that, Mayor who can walk and chew gum HAD to be aware that massive hurricanes have previously hit New Orleans, and that another such strike was inevitable, sometime No, I’m not going to give a cite for that plan. You’re on the Internet as you read this. You’ll believe that fact better if you find an independent source. Look in the Houston Chronicle, a liberal newspaper. Or, in the Washington Times, a conservative newspaper. Or, dozens of other sources. I’ll wait. Okay, you’re back. You now know the duties Mayor Nagin had as Hurricane Katrina crossed the Gulf of Mexico, growing in strength and eventually heading for New Orleans. Also, he knew that New Orleans is built below sea level. If the water ever started coming in through a major breach in the levees or canals, the city was finished. Any mayor too dumb to know that would have been too dumb to raise his hand and take the oath of office. What did Mayor Nagin do, faced with these facts? First, he was 24 hours late in ordering the evacuation of New Orleans. Second, he did not order local officials to get the buses rolling from parking lots around the city. Third, he took off for Baton Rouge, to give angry press conferences blaming others after the city drowned. What was the result of Mayor Nagin’s not following the laws and Plan he was obligated to obey as mayor? The buses were flooded in their lots. The closest buses were a mere 1.2 miles from the Superdome, as shown by aerial photographs. And all the way through this creeping disaster, one highway connection from the Superdome to the West Bank of the Mississippi, remained open. It was not until 24 hours AFTER Katrina had passed that the nearest buses to the Superdome were flooded and became useless. What happened to the citizens of New Orleans from the failure to use the available transportation? Many of the bodies of the dead have not been recovered, but Mayor Nagin has said that he expects “about 10,000 dead.” Of course, more people will die in the future due to diseases acquired from the polluted waters. Some of these will be self-inflicted, people who refuse to recognize the continuing danger and stay in their homes. But some will be people who could and would have gotten out, if given a choice. But they didn’t have that choice because they were poor, and the buses didn’t roll. What are the criteria for a charge of manslaughter? Anyone who deliberately or through gross negligence causes the death of another human being can be charged with manslaughter. Normally, someone cannot be charged with manslaughter for the failure to do something. If you are driving down the highway and see a car on fire and people in it, you are not obligated to stop and try to get the people out before the gas tank explodes. But anyone who is a public official has assigned duties in a given situation. He/she can be responsible for failure to act. We are talking about Mayor Ray Nagin, who sought his position with certain duties attached. We are not talking about Ray Nagin, private citizen, who is responsible only for saving his own hide (though he certainly did to that). In my opinion, Mayor Ray Nagin should be charged with 10,000 counts of manslaughter. Any New Orleans prosecutor who seeks justice in his city should bring the charges now for the known dead, and amend the charges later as the list of dead grows, and grows, and grows, and grows. Is there an honest prosecutor left in New Orleans? About the Writer: John Armor is a First Amendment lawyer and writer who lives in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina. John receives e-mail at John_Armor@aya.yale.edu. http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=16687 What comes next folks is, "That link is not credible"....LMMFAO ;;D Watch!! http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0909breakout094.html |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 9th, 2005, 4:29pm on 09/09/05 at 15:59:19, Jonny wrote:
If it is like all your other quotes and sources, yes. Ask a silly question ... ;) |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 4:32pm on 09/09/05 at 16:29:15, floridian wrote:
You just made my point, Thank you! ;;D Not to mention that you have NOTHING to say.....LMMFAO!!! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by pubgirl on Sep 9th, 2005, 4:41pm on 09/08/05 at 22:02:29, thomas wrote:
The world just isn't that simple and small any more Thomas. There are countries who even INVADE other countries and remove their leaders because they don't approve of what that leader and his regime are doing :-X |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 4:45pm on 09/09/05 at 16:41:04, pubgirl wrote:
What do you call Iraq invading Kuwait....a welcome call? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 9th, 2005, 4:50pm Yes Wendy, let's just go ahead and bring up IRAQ now!!! Christ, don't ya'll have LIVES to live? Everyone could debate this shit till we're blue in the face, and just WHAT THE FUCK does it accomplish?? Notta fucking thing. Oh, and BTW, I spent HOURS in front of the tube watching the United Nations meetings pertaining to the 14 UN Resolutions that were consistantly ignored by Sadam Insane. Bush screwed up HUGE when he started saying we're invading due to WMD, Al Queda contacts, etc. etc. and never gave the United States a chance to decide what "consequences" would be for blatently ignoring the resolutions. RESOLUTIONS, which is WHAT the war was for. It seems that somewhere, inbetween the asinine government and the media, a movie decided to play itself out in real life. Yes, the whole fucking world is screwed up, but I ain't gonna live forever, so living in the past isn't where I'll be, but LEARNING from it IS. modified cause i can't spell when i'm upset |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 4:54pm Seems Wendy just wants to stir up U.S. shit.....Sad!!! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by SFChris on Sep 9th, 2005, 4:54pm I don't participate in political discussions on message boards, but feel the need to clarify the NeoCon comments - Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz etc., dubbed themselves NeoCons at the beginning of the Bush Administration. The media (nor the liberals) created the term. It is NOT derogatory in any way (see description above). It's short for the "New Conservative" movement. Cheers (play nice y'all), Chris |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by pubgirl on Sep 9th, 2005, 4:54pm I think you are missing my point just a little bit. I'm just saying that just because you aren't British and I'm not American doesn't mean you shouldn't be interested in and have the right to make comments (although actually I didn't comment before- I just asked a question) about what goes on in another country. The world is too integrated for Thomas's isolationist view. and lets be frank, the USA and the UK are more "in bed" together" now than we have probably ever been. I truly think we can learn a helluva lot by looking at what goes on in other countries, for good or bad. Whatever you think I AM NOT TRYING TO STIR UP SHIT. Where else do I get a view from different angles, not our news thats for sure W |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by pubgirl on Sep 9th, 2005, 5:01pm Since you are all determined to see bad intentions in genuine interest, and determined to see ME as the enemy when I only want to understand and know, then I will do the best thing under the circumstances and just stick with what the reporters here choose to tell us. Wendy |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 5:03pm Right, you go from racisim in the US to invading countries (US) Looking to keep this thread going, Wendy? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 9th, 2005, 5:04pm Its not that I have nothing to say, I'm just taking my time. The guy is a wing nut. He says he is a lawyer, but he must have been asleep when they talked about "public official and sovereign immunity." If an official was tape-recorded trying to put a hit on someone, then murder charges are in order. But when an official doesn't do his job the way someone wants, you won't be able to try them for manslaughter - public official and sovereign immunity is generally extended to officials and agencies for the conduct of their office unless you can show that they intended to kill someone. The people of New Orleans could impeach him on malfeasance charges, but that would only remove him from office. Really, Jonny, are you looking for the truth, or just scraping up whatever spittle you can find to maintain the illusion that your side is good the other side is evil?? And why was the director of FEMA 'reassigned' to other work within the agency today when he was doing such a fine job?? If President Bush is right and this is the biggest disaster in American history, and Bush was right when he said that Brownie was doing a great job, then what could be more important for the FEMA director to do?? Maybe its an attempt to quiet the large chorus of Democrats and Republicans who think FEMA botched their job?? What about manslaughter charges against Bush and Brownie?? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by pubgirl on Sep 9th, 2005, 5:08pm No Jonny |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 5:08pm on 09/09/05 at 17:04:40, floridian wrote:
Blah, Blah, Blah and more Blah ;;D For the last two days EVERY media outlet has been slamming the Gov and the Mayor cause they fucked this whole deal up.....Do you listen to the news, Flo? Man, are you a die hard........... |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 5:43pm BikerBob....Do you watch the news? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:02pm on 09/09/05 at 17:08:59, Jonny wrote:
Sure, I listen to the news, read the news - probably a wider variety of opinions than you. And when I hear something that is too bizzare to be true, I investigate it instead of repeating it. Because if it is too bizarre to be true, it usually is. Your conservative urban legends about the mayor are just one example. I think the Mayor, the Governor, and the feds (President and FEMA) all fell short of what should be done. But spreading lies about any of those is wrong - whether a person knows its a lie, or just hears it and wants it to be true. But the idea that the entire media thinks that the Mayor and Governor are the culprits is plain kooky. Speaking of the news, does the public think Bush is doing a good job? Quote:
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by ckelly181 on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:19pm on 09/08/05 at 22:21:31, thomas wrote:
Well, that I can live with...school admin is killing us... Chris |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by nani on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:23pm on 09/09/05 at 17:01:33, pubgirl wrote:
I'm not one who sees it that way, Wendy. I think you asked a reasonable question. Too bad other's answers are being held against you. :-/ I hope you come back soon. hugs, nani |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:25pm on 09/09/05 at 18:02:00, floridian wrote:
Looky here, right back on Bush.....LMMFAO...Like I said, you are a die hard. Ok, give me one link or article that blames Bush and says Mayor (Im not one of thoes drug addicts) did a great job. Man!, you are reaching to keep this up. I think everyone alive knows who fucked up but you....LOL ;;D I still love ya, Flo :-* |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:30pm on 09/09/05 at 18:23:32, nani wrote:
Always running to the queens aid, what a kissass. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by nani on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:33pm on 09/09/05 at 18:30:51, Sean_C wrote:
Hmmm... where have I heard that before? LMAO, kiss ass!! :-* |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:36pm I love ya Nan you know that ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by nani on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:37pm Yup... I know that. Right back atcha, baby! :-* |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:45pm on 09/09/05 at 17:01:33, pubgirl wrote:
You are generalizing when you say "you all". I did not see any bad intentions. I saw you ask a question, to which I answered. The only thing that pissed me off, is that you drug something else into it that doesn't pertain to the question you asked. As for the world being integrated, yes it is. But there are a lot of people in this country who really don't care what other countries news media spews to their public. Doesn't mean they don't care, and people should be concerned, but living in a free society, with freedom of the press, as we do, how can we stop the media injustice?? It's simple......we can't! So to dwell on it would be to waste time and energy. All we can do is be good people, make the right choices (hopefully) and hope for the best. Hey, more than likely, shit happens. No matter how hard you try to avoid it. ;) mel |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by rextangle on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:55pm TO ALL OF YOU: Talk, it's only talk Arguments, agreements, advice, answers, Articulate announcements It's only talk Talk, it's only talk Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker Brouhaha, boulderdash, ballyhoo It's only talk Back talk Talk talk talk, it's only talk Comments, cliches, commentary, controversy Chatter, chit-chat, chit-chat, chit-chat, Conversation, contradiction, criticism It's only talk Cheap talk Talk, talk, it's only talk Debates, discussions These are words with a d this time Dialogue, dualogue, diatribe, Dissention, declamation Double talk, double talk Talk, talk, it's all talk Too much talk Small talk Talk that trash Expressions, editorials, expugnations, exclamations, enfadulations It's all talk Elephant talk, elephant talk, elephant talk [smiley=headbanger.gif] |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:55pm Wendy was on the verge of trollville, when your topic starts to die, throw some gas on it. Invading countries had nothing to do with this thread.....Did it? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:03pm Hi kids. http://fool.exler.ru/sm/box.gif?SSImageQuality=Full "Neocons" are the people who have wrecked the Republican Party. They are NOT conservatives. Not at all. They legislate narrow opinion to please puritans, only to get reelected; no matter how they wreck the Constitution. Unlike true conservatives, they have no interest in watching the country's pursestrings. They spend like no others in history and in ways to make the rich richer beyond their wildest dreams of avarice. Their goal is to recreate an 1890s-style industry and labor system to benefit only their favorite lobbyists. They have zero interest in ordinary Americans. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/writing.gif |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:11pm rex, you are brilliant. you made that up yourself, didn't you?? can i be your slave? [smiley=inlove.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:14pm on 09/09/05 at 18:25:49, Jonny wrote:
C-A-N Y-O-U R-E-A-D W-H-A-T I W-R-I-T-E ?? I'm not saying that the Mayor did a great job while Bush sucked. I am saying that all levels of government were incompetent to various degrees, but that lying about the mayor to deflect blame from the president may help the president, but it doesn't help the country. Speaking of news, I just heard that Thailand did a better job of picking up bodies after the Tsunami than we did after this hurricane - FEMA hasn't even signed a contract yet to authorize someone to do it although they are working on it. But that's not a federal failing, its because the mayor's purple pimp is so loud that people can't hear to get things done. Here's an article that represent's my thinking. It states that government failed at all levels. It mentions the retirement of competent FEMA officials (including one I know personally) and their replacement with political hacks. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9261552/ Quote:
The fact that local governments fail in the face of a major catastrophe is inevitable. The fact that the federal government spent days doing nothing was not. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by rextangle on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:21pm No Melissa, I didn't make that up. Adrian Belew did when he was in KING CRIMSON. The song is "Elephant Talk"- Check it out! [smiley=jammin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Redneck on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:21pm DJ, Now is the time to step in. Your choice. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:28pm on 09/09/05 at 19:14:38, floridian wrote:
No its not!, not when you know your shit cant handle a CAT3 and you are told that a CAT5 is about to open your ass!....And you do nothing but order evacuation.....nothing! Why dont we go back to the pics of the flooded buses are fake ::) "I want to thank the President for sending that John Wayne dude".....NICE! You keep reaching, Flo....but you keep sinking.....sorry |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:44pm You'll love this: Bush never disappoints. The victims of Katrina have been flattened and are destitue. Bush's latest solution: To repeal a 1930s labor-wage provision that gaurantees that businesses having contracts with the federal government have to pay at least a minimum wage relative to the area in which their workers are employed. What Bush has signed lets the Halliburtons and other conglomerates, pay less than normal wages, ostensibly to facillitate reconstruction in the area. Great. Find a way for corporate theives to make a bloody fortune off the poor on construction along the Gulf while screwing the victims by not paying them enough to recover quickly or at all. A lovely example of compassionate conservatism. His daddy did it too, for a time, as well as Richard Nixon. What an unbelievable abuse of power. Provide billions of relief in order to save his butt and then making sure his corporate friends make a shitload of money in the process. Low salaries for the little guy; huge profits for CEOS. http://subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/aiwan2//fie.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Bush and the Republican Congress comes through again. Charlie http://www.subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/user_submitted/nunu.gif?SSImageQuality=Full |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jimmy B. on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:50pm http://img232.exs.cx/img232/1935/diethreaddie0kq.jpg |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:52pm on 09/09/05 at 19:44:48, Charlie wrote:
Its kinda the deal the you supply a link, Charlie? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 9th, 2005, 7:56pm Wendy wrote: Quote:
No matter your point of view, Wendy is right. The world is a big and far more interesting place than inward neoconservatives would have us believe. Like it or not, we are part of the world. Every time we revert to isolationism, we pay dearly. 1930s and early 1940s is a prime example. Your initial question was a good one too and largely ignored. Yes, racism is a part of the pain and suffering by the most vulnerable in this catastrophe. It is the elephant in the corner that we try to ignore. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 9th, 2005, 8:02pm Quote:
Wish I could. I picked it up from CNN and MSNBC cable news. I guess it's too recent for the NY Times. I pieced it together. I believe that it's the Davis-Bacon act. FDR used it for 3 weeks when the New Deal started but I don't know much more. Give it some time though. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/around look.gif Pretty sure you'll find it on cable news tonight though. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by floridian on Sep 9th, 2005, 8:19pm on 09/09/05 at 19:28:17, Jonny wrote:
A. I never said the bus pictures were fake. B. "not when you know your shit cant handle a CAT3 and you are told that a CAT5 is about to open your ass!....And you do nothing but order evacuation.....nothing!" That's negligent, that's exactly what Bush did. He put his head up from vacation for 15 minutes to proclaim an emergency, then went back to vacationing. Then a few days later, claimed that nobody could have predicted that the levees would fail. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 8:19pm on 09/09/05 at 19:56:, Charlie wrote:
You have no idea how relieved I am that you let me know that. Who would have thunk? Get your links in line Charlie or STFU!!! |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 9th, 2005, 8:23pm Jonny: http://subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/aiwan1//beee.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie :D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 8:24pm on 09/09/05 at 20:19:00, floridian wrote:
Why is he doing the job of idiots that should be doing their jobs? Man, you lose every time you go back to Bush. Its stupid funny, Man ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 9th, 2005, 8:35pm I can never understand why younger people are such big supporters of the right wing. They are for censorship of most kinds, are usually religious zealots, definitely anti-gay, anti sensible drug prices, always radical war on drugs, anti choice, for more and more restrictions on most everything--basically; 1952. I don't get it. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/specs scratch.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BlueMeanie on Sep 9th, 2005, 8:42pm on 09/09/05 at 19:44:48, Charlie wrote:
Looks like another Bush bash going on here. Can he ever say anything good that people think he's out to get everyone. Here in Illinois that same law took affect when I was working for the government. Maybe you're misinterpeting what it's saying or maybe I am. Any company that has a contract with the government CANNOT pay less than the MINIMUM rate for that type of work. In my case, I was making $18 an hour which was way below the MINIMUM pay rate for my job. When the law changed, my pay jumped to $26 an hour (THAT DAY)which was the minimum they could pay me because that WAS the minimum pay for that job. It's NOT to keep companies from having to pay less than normal. It's to keep companies from taking advantage of employees by paying them less than the minimum going rate. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 9th, 2005, 8:54pm Quote:
Not necessarily but I'm still waiting for just one think that would qualify as "compassionate conservatism." The very term is illustrative anyway. It's a lot like "fair and balanced." One only needs to say such things if they aren't true. I don't want to write more about the wage issue until a link is found. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/green hat.gif |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BlueMeanie on Sep 9th, 2005, 8:58pm on 09/09/05 at 20:54:11, Charlie wrote:
lol Charlie. You have a right to your opinion. I would like to see a link on the pay though. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by jimbo on Sep 9th, 2005, 9:05pm Blue Meanie, You are absolutley right! I deal with that stuff on a daily basis. People see the term minimum wage for that job and right away the thought process goes to $5.15 per hour. The minimum wage that I can pay a telecom technician on the state and federal projects is $27.24 per hour including roll-ups. This wage is to be paid even if the person doing the work has absolutely no experience in the field but me as an employer is required to hire for these projects. All of the trades are required to do this on these projects, and believe me it costs the taxpayers a shitload more money in taxes for the funding. What usually happens is the person gets that first big paycheck and you never see their asses again. Its an ongoing battle and unfortunately if I dont fulfill the required 30% of the project hours using these people, I don't get paid either. I view this as kind of a slap in the face to the experienced people who have put in their time and effort to become experienced technicians who make $2 less per hour when working on non-gov. funded jobs. I guess you can't give a job to some people. Seeya, Jimbo |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 9th, 2005, 9:13pm It's the Davis-Bacon act of 1931 which was sponsored by Republicans. Hoover was still in office at the time. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 9th, 2005, 9:18pm on 09/09/05 at 21:13:05, Charlie wrote:
Link? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by CHTom on Sep 9th, 2005, 9:28pm You're soo cute when you're mad, Jonny! [smiley=hug.gif] [smiley=heart.gif] |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 10th, 2005, 3:54pm http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/opinion/10sat2.html http://www.nathannewman.org/laborblog/archive/003368.shtml http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9259887 I haven't been on line long enough to find more. You'll find your twist on it no doubt ::) We need to run the morons in charge through electro shock: Unbelievable: BERLIN - A German military plane carrying 15 tons of military rations for survivors of Hurricane Katrina was sent back by U.S. authorities, officials said Saturday. The plane was turned away Thursday because it did not have the required authorization, a German government spokesman said. The spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, declined to comment on a report in the German news magazine Der Spiegel that U.S. authorities refused the delivery on the grounds that the NATO military rations could carry mad cow disease. FEMA/Homeland Security: http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/telletubbies.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by deltadarlin on Sep 10th, 2005, 4:52pm Has anyone even realized that pubgirl deleted/inactivated her account? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by CHTom on Sep 10th, 2005, 8:55pm Thanks for pointing that out, Darlin. Isn't that what some of you call Troll Behavior-start a controversial subject, keep it going and then get out when the heat gets to be too much? If I remember, she was very quick to lable some newcomer's as Trolls. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 10th, 2005, 9:12pm on 09/10/05 at 16:52:55, deltadarlin wrote:
Yes deltadarlin, and it's not the first time she's done it. She's deleted her profile before. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by clarence on Sep 10th, 2005, 10:33pm on 09/10/05 at 20:55:26, CHTom wrote:
Sorry dude, you can't call Wendy a troll. You just can't. Casey |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by CHTom on Sep 10th, 2005, 10:47pm I'm not calling her a Troll, Casey, but just pointing out what I've read here as the definition of a Troll. See Melissa's post, right before yours....why would someone delete their profile and quit the board twice? It doesn't make sense to me. If you know her, maybe you can contact her and find out why. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by cootie on Sep 10th, 2005, 11:21pm She's NOT a troll.........no frickin way......been here too long to even be associated with that word.......sometimes ya get pissed off and just need to walk away even if it means name and all. Everyone deals differently Pam |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by BobG on Sep 11th, 2005, 12:00am Have to ditto what Casey and Cootie said. Pubgirl has contributed a lot to all of us. I hope she re-appears soon. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by fubar on Sep 11th, 2005, 12:10am Wendy is no troll. She might be trigger happy on the 'delete-profile' button, but at least she comes back. I can't count the number of people who have failed to come back after a spat. I've met her on a trip to England, and she's much taller than a troll and a bit friendlier too. -Shawn |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by CHTom on Sep 11th, 2005, 2:12am Glad to hear that. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jasmyn on Sep 11th, 2005, 2:35am I'm not getting into the political or race issue as we live that everyday and I may not be objective BUT WENDY IS NOT A TROLL! So HANDS OFF and I hope she comes back. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by CHTom on Sep 11th, 2005, 2:57am on 09/11/05 at 02:35:30, Jasmyn wrote:
Please read my last post, the one just before yours. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by LeLimey on Sep 11th, 2005, 3:33am Hmmm lets see shall we? Now who is behaving like a troll? But then who's surprised TOM?? Its what you do best isn't it? |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 11th, 2005, 3:40am on 09/11/05 at 03:33:12, LeLimey wrote:
You mean John/Hdildo? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Chillrmn1 on Sep 11th, 2005, 5:14am Come back Pubgirl, you make valuable contributions to the forum and we all need that. Hope to see you back soon without the "Guest" status under your screen name, K? Bob |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Melissa on Sep 11th, 2005, 8:40am I've deleted my profile once before. Just wanted to get that in there. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Charlie on Sep 11th, 2005, 11:57am I like Wendy But then I like those other English chicks too. http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/klopf.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/waesche4.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/smilie_putzen.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/stricken.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/15_8_8.gif?SSImageQuality=Full http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/90_2.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Something about them...... Charlie http://www.subscribe.smileygenerator.us/all/albums/0riginals/eekout.gif?SSImageQuality=Full |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 11th, 2005, 12:56pm I've deleted my profile before as well. I like Wendy also, and didn't read anything bad into her question. It is a touchy subject in this country, especially for the people too blind to realise the very people who claim to be on their sides, are the ones "holding them down". The last time she deleted her profile was after a fight with Jonny, the two of them are kinda like oil and water. They're great on their own, but don't mix well. Cheers. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Jonny on Sep 11th, 2005, 1:03pm on 09/11/05 at 12:56:03, thomas wrote:
Yo, dont blame me for her leaving, she went from race to invading countries and I asked why....thats it! This is what...the forth time she has changed names? Dont blame me for others mental problems. |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by vig on Sep 11th, 2005, 1:04pm If I know Wendy well enough, I would say she was curious and wanted to know the answer to a tough question. I doubt she intended it just to stir up the pot like some here. ask away Pubgirl... |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by Sean_C on Sep 11th, 2005, 1:07pm on 09/11/05 at 03:40:04, Jonny wrote:
Or brian_m ;;D I guess its true, you can't kill a roach by stepping on it, all you do is spread its eggs ;) |
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Title: Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest Post by thomas on Sep 11th, 2005, 1:27pm on 09/11/05 at 13:03:36, Jonny wrote:
I am not blaming you for anything, just pointing out the similarities between this time she deleted her profile and the time before. Not blaming anyone really. |
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