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Title: Bush and New Orleans Post by BikerBob on Sep 2nd, 2005, 2:30am New Orleans is a victim of Bush and the Iraq War: - Bush chopped $71.2 million from the budget of the New Orleans Corps of Engineers levee projects, a 44% reduction; due to the Iraq war. - Over a year ago, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane was shelved due to the budget cuts. - The Office of Technology Assessment used to produce forward thinking plans like "Floods: a National Policy Concern", and "A Framework for Flood Hazards Management". The office was targeted by Newt Gingrich and the Republican right and gutted years ago. - About 35% of Louisiana's National Guard is now serving in Iraq. - Dozens of the Louisiana National Guard's high-water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators have been sent abroad. - The levees of New Orleans were also victims of Iraq War spending. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, said on June 8, 2004, "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq." Thu Sep 1st, 2005 at 10:28:22 PDT "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." GW Bush honestly said that. If that brings up more than a passing twinge of familiarity, being a more than remarkable restatement of Condi Rice's now-famous assertion to the Senate panel -- then I suppose we shouldn't be surprised. But it does bring up something that we joke about often, but apparently have never taken quite seriously enough: our President is an idiot. I don't mean an average, run-of-the-mill idiot. I mean an idiot who apparently, for the entire duration of his presidency, literally was paying absolutely no attention to even the most life-threateningly critical tasks of government. The administration specifically cut the funds to fix these specific levees, in order to specifically divert that Corps money to Iraq, despite urgent warnings and predictions of catastrophic disaster if the levees were breeched. The administration specifically cancelled the Clinton-backed flood control program to preserve and restore the wetlands between New Orleans and the gulf, instead specifically opening parts of that buffer zone for development. Nobody anticipated this disaster? It was identified by FEMA as one of the top three likeliest major disasters to strike America. It has been a major disaster scenario for years. Everybody anticipated it, which makes this single statement by George W. Bush possibly the most dishonest, lying, craptacularly false thing he has ever said in his presidency -- even surpassing his now-infamous State of the Union Address. Truly, this is President Bush's blue-dress moment. And yet, funneling the money into Iraq was more important. You better bet your crapulent, lying, one-track, drink-addled ass that's a political issue. He also said today: "I hope people don't play politics at this time of a natural disaster the likes of which this country has never seen." Oh, I'm touched. Utterly touched. After 9/11, the entire Republican Party went en masse to get Twin Towers ass tattoos. The Republican convention was a wholesale tribute to crass exploitation, the sets themselves designed to evoke the aftermath of the attack. Every domestic and international policy this administration -- no, this entire Republican government -- has produced has been heaved up before the public while waving the spectre of 9/11 as the catch-all vindication of every administration whim. Every tax cut, every civil rights issue, every budget cut, every budget expansion, no matter how tortured the logic must be, has some Republican senator standing on the Senate floor and proudly raping the corpses of that day as justification for their particular agenda item. Oh, we've seen politicization of disaster. Every Republican campaign for the last four years has revolved around the politicization of disaster. But Lord help us, George W. Bush is going to get the vapors if anyone asks him to explain his administration's active cuts of the very programs designed to keep New Orleans safe. BB |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by nani on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:11am Thanks BB. Here's an excerpt from an open letter to the President from Michael Moore (I know how much some of you love Mike...LOL... but I think he has some good points) Dear Mr. Bush: Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag. Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with? Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her! I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike? And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ! On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that. There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland. No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this! You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Frank_W on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:34am If we could just drop Michael Moore's fat ass from about 2,000' onto the levy, we could solve several problems at once, but for the fact that "Save The Whales" would try to rescue him. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Ueli on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:44am Now that we have the opinion of "commie tree-hugging liberals" I'd like to see a reply from an upright Republican. BMonee, RevDeFord where are you? [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:00am on 09/02/05 at 09:44:40, Ueli wrote:
Sadly Ueli, there is no reply that is a worthy defense. I have stated before that I am an avowed middle-of-the-roader and I can say that liberals drive me as crazy as right wing nutjobs do. As a response I'd say there is going to be more than enough blame to go around on this one. These are dark days for rational thought in our country but the result of disasters that roll out on this scale will be the shining light on who all missed the boat on this for the past 20, or even 50 years. Just as it is easy to glean highlights of decisions and policy by the present administration, the longer term historical view will reveal how leaders have failed and ignored these issues for so, so long. Now, we must all look at our communities and other communities that are at risk -- how will we actually build a plan that has a part B, and part C for these at risk areas? Certainly this one didn't have one. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BarbaraD on Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:27am on 09/02/05 at 08:11:24, nani wrote:
100% agreement. Guess this makes me a bleeding heart liberal or whatever is politically correct this week (can't even keep up with the politicaleze these days - why bother, it changes hourly anyhow). But when I see calls going out for American people to cough up MORE money (in addition to our tax dollars that are going to support the rest of the damn world) to support OUR OWN people in distress, it just makes me wonder where our DEMOCRACY is headed. BD |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:36am on 09/02/05 at 02:30:41, BikerBob wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:43am on 09/02/05 at 02:30:41, BikerBob wrote:
Remember all of the natural disasters that happened prior to Bush taking office Flood of 93, Hugo, Andrew, and others such as tornadoes, earthquakes, landslides, fires. On average it took National guard units 1-2 weeks to get fully in place then too but the politicization of disaster was not an issue then because the people realized the prez could not have caused them. Enjoy your crusade to politiceze this disaster. And all the other ones bush created over the last 5-6 years. Give me a break ! |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by don on Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:48am Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by floridian on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:01am on 09/02/05 at 10:36:49, ghost62 wrote:
Maybe one project was slated to start in 2006, but maintainence and ongoing projects were also cut. One company that had the contract kept doing some of the work free for a year because they thought it was kinda important. Can't hurricane proof the country, but some protection can be put in place. A direct cat 5 hit with 25 foot storm surge would have topped any levees. A cat 4 hurricane that went to the east and had a 15 foot storm surge could have been blocked. Some Corps projects were opposed by environmentalists over wetlands issues, but surely you aren't claiming that maintining and improving the levees around urbanized areas was blocked by tree huggers?? These levees were already in place, and doing maintainence and raising them did not involve significant wetland impacts. Putting too many levees on the entire lower Mississippi river system will affect wetlands - sediments that would otherwise be deposited in floods and help maintain elevation are channeled into the Gulf of Mexico. And the loss and degradation of coastal wetlands led to a greater storm surge and more impact. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:21am on 09/02/05 at 10:48:51, don wrote:
You mean the economy that has shown lower unemployment than the proir administration, and higher job growth? Oh wait and more home owners? and lets see to give bad credit where it is due higher gas prices too. Yep |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:30am on 09/02/05 at 11:01:20, floridian wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Bob P on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:35am Here ya go Ueli. You people obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground! Oh my! There's been a disaster! Shame on the President for first causing it and then not responding to it. Tell it to the fucking idiots that are shooting at the cops and rescue choppers. Tell it to the NO cops that are doing their own looting. Can't send fire trucks in without an escort because they'll be shot at. Any one wonder why there are still people wandering around downtown NO. It's been 4 days since the place flooded. Could have walked a good 75 miles away from there by now. Those people wandering around downtown don't want to be rescued. They are the looters. They want to keep the authorities out as long as possible so they haul their newly found big screen TV up to their apartment. That's why they shoot at the choppers, duh! Yeah it's all Bush's fault. He should have gone straight to NO on Tuesday and saved all those people. What a bunch of dumb shits! |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jill on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:40am I like Micheal Moore's letter - it does hold truth to it. That doesnt mean I am a liberal, just confused on what is going on. Did anyone else hear that two years ago they predicted what would happen if a category 3 hurricane hit New Orleans - they said that it would flood and made suggestions for precautions... no one listened and no one acted.. :-/ Alot of things have gone wrong with the response and the preparations for this but some of the responsibility has to fall on those that are there. Free will is a part of this - people decided to stay in their homes despite the fact that transportation was available to get them to the superdome. And people are shooting at the police and those that are trying to rescue them - I understand the panic but they are not making things any better... you know? I have been waiting to here that racism was a part of this - didnt take too long for the news to ask that question.. sad.. Add - just read your post Bob - thank you! Some responsibility HAS to fall on these people... alot of responsibility - they are victims of a disaster but please, they can step up and help too. Jill |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Frank_W on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:41am on 09/02/05 at 11:35:23, Bob P wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by seasonalboomer on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:46am If only all the answers were as simple as many would like to make them.... |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:46am on 09/02/05 at 11:40:23, Jill wrote:
Jill you do make some good points But Michael Moores Letter is nothing more than Fire starter and needs to be treated as such. It is full of nothing but talking points and twisted to sound intelegent. The Guy is a useless piece of dog turd floating in what ever stream will carry it. Just my take of course Mike |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:50am on 09/02/05 at 11:46:03, seasonalboomer wrote:
Exactly Instead of all the IF-ING Lets get those folks some help and Quit If-ing and Blaming. Just get out there and do somethig even if it sending 1 freaking can of corn to the relief effort. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by floridian on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:57am on 09/02/05 at 11:21:11, ghost62 wrote:
It must be nice living on your fantasy planet. Unemployment was 4.0% in June 2000. Where are we now? 4.9 percent, which is the lowest since August 2001. Home ownership is one bright spot in the current economy, though that is going to level off and decline a bit given home prices/interest rates. The rate of people living in poverty has also grown for four consecutive years. And although worker productivity is up, workers salaries are losing to inflation. But, hey, its not all bad ... corporate profits are at a record high and the top 5% did see a healthy boost in their incomes over the past year. http://www.americanprogress.org/atf/cf/%7BE9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E06E03%7D/eca.gif http://www.cbpp.org/9-25-01pov.htm http://tinyurl.com/cugdj |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Bob P on Sep 2nd, 2005, 12:06pm I notice that table shows that the Republican Pres. (Nixon, Reagan, Bush) who follow a Democratic Pres. that has given away the store, have to make the hard economic decisions and clean up their predecessors mess. Johnson can run up good looking numbers but then Nixon has to clean up his mess. Carter runs up good numbers and Reagan has to clean up after him. Clinton runs up numbers and Bush cleans up. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 12:12pm I likes fuzzy math ... Lib sites make what ever numbers they want ... go to government to get numbers and you might get a little closer ... And where it says source recheck with them insteat of someones interpritations. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by floridian on Sep 2nd, 2005, 12:30pm on 09/02/05 at 12:12:11, ghost62 wrote:
OK, fantasy man, check out the official govt. statistics, like the bureau of labor statistics, which was cited as the source in the graph and the articles I mentioned: http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat1.pdf Hmm ... 2000, unemployment = 4.0%. Then 4.7%, 5.8%, 6.0%, 5.5% (and now 5.0%). Yeah, Bush has Clinton beat, but only in your bizzaro universe, where facts don't matter. Democrats giving away the store and Republicans cleaning up after them? Sorry, if you look at the deficit figures, Regan and Bush are the ones that looted the treasury. It may have had a mild stimulating effect on the economy, but it the long run, it is pernicious. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:13pm Yeah, bush is certainly cleaning out all those pesky, above average paying jobs that clinton helped to create. Over the 8 years Clinton was pres, the average family household income went up $7600. Under Bush Jr, average wages are currently up about $1000. In 1995, clinton directed loads of money to help N.O. with their levee system. After several years, Bush jr got in and decided its more important to save the iraqis from tyranny then save the Gulf Coast hurrican infrastructure. And ya gotta love these fucking brain dead neocons that have been brainwashed into thinking the employment situation is terrific. The number of people working has gone up by about 1.5 to 2 million since bush took office. The 'of age' population has increased by 10 million. Everyone knows that the US economy needs to make about 150k new jobs each MONTH just to keep pace with average population growth. So, if the economy was creating 150k each month, the unemployment % should remain the same. But, these idiots that listen to Druggie Limbaugh think that by creating 1.5 million jobs in 5 years is doing terrific. Its what i keep saying: the dumbing down of america. And, hey, another factoid that bush is touting and proud of....... like 95% of all years, home-ownership is up at an all time high. However, home EQUITY is at an all time low. And also, Personal savings rates have been at 0% for over 4 years now.........i guess they round down. But now, the last 12 months, (or maybe 2004), the personal savings rates hit a record low, closer to 0% than ever before. The lowest personal savings rate since they started keeping that data. Personal savings at 0%, home equity dropping like a stone, and personal debt is high. That is the ownership society? BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jill on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:15pm Quote:
I see that, it is a fire starter and is written to make people mad - I, personally, think that people do need to get mad at all of this as that is the only way to learn and correct our mistakes. I dont mean mad like the people in New Orleans or Mississippi who are killing each other and shooting at police officers, that is pointless. I mean the mad where we take that anger and do something productive with it, make sense? This is something that as tragic as it is, we need to learn from it... after we save those that need to be saved. And it is not just the government that has to learn, it is also the individuals there and elsewhere. We need to learn what is important in our lives, that fighting doesnt really get us too far in these situations and we need to learn compassion - and I mean compassion from the point of those that are stranded to those that are cops.. working together instead of fighting... Most important, we need to learn what went wrong and, in the future, correct this.. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions, now and before this happened.. I do, speaking on compassion, want to say that I do find it remarkable how the US can pull together in the wake of this disaster and unite to help those that need it. And even other countries, who have donated alot of money and even troops (look at Sri Lanka and Australia for example). It is a real shame, and this was said at 9/11, that people dont have this kind of commadery (spelling?) all of the time.. :-/ Jill |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:23pm 1990 Total employed 118,793 Total unemployed 7,047 1991 Total employed 117,718 Total unemployed 8,628 1992 Total employed 118,492 Total unemployed 9,613 1993 Total employed 120,259 Total unemployed 8,940 1994 Total employed 123,060 Total unemployed 7,996 1995 Total employed 124,900 Total unemployed 7,404 1996 Total employed 126,708 Total unemployed 7,236 1997 Total employed 129,558 Total unemployed 6,739 1998 Total employed 131,463 Total unemployed 6,210 1999 Total employed 133,488 Total unemployed 5,880 2000 Total employed 136,891 Total unemployed 5,692 2001 Total employed 136,933 Total unemployed 6,801 Post 9/11 2002 Total employed 136,485 Total unemployed 8,378 2003 Total employed 137,736 Total unemployed 8,774 2004 Total employed 139,252 Total unemployed 8,149 Here take a look at the real numbers ok Percentages are nice but look at real numbers More Americans Working than ever. But wait not more unemployed though. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Pinkfloyd on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:28pm Plenty 'o jobs coming right up. :-/ Fortunately we will have the democrats report on the profits made by the corporations rebuilding the gulf, and the republicans reporting all the additional labor (jobs)required by these corporations. I say we let the french rebuild the gulf so they can make the profits. We're always pissed at them anyway. Bobw |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jill on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:30pm Hey Ghost... According to those numbers, if August had the record low for unemployment than that would mean that over three thousand people would have had to get jobs and no one else lose them... do I read that wrong? How do they do the unemployment rates anyways - when you look at those numbers, it seems that it has gone up and not down... :-/ I am just curious... Jill |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:39pm on 09/02/05 at 13:30:12, Jill wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:43pm Good info, ghost. But the typical stats that are used are the non-farm jobs, you have included them in your post. If you go to the BLS site, and look at that same data there, only in the non-farm section, you will get a little different info. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:47pm That is correct I did use totals ... Farm stats dropped in employment but urban jobs increased drastically. Modernization putting small farms out of busisness ... Included My Aunt and Uncle. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jill on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:54pm Quote:
I did read this whole thread - the good and the bad. What I dont get is how we can say that the current unemployment rate for August is the lowest since, when, 2001 and say that that is good. We have had lower... I see those numbers and I see the correlation between employed and unemployed numbers but that is going to be obvious - the more jobs there are, the less unemployed... I dont think that it is fair to say that Clinton or Bush caused this - Clinton's term started Bushs meaning what Clinton did in his last term, affected Bush in his first term.. the two are both responsible if you want to point fingers. Of course, I dont understand how they calculate this anyways since there are many people out there working on farms... are they counted into this mix? And, lastly, no matter what the rate for August was, it is going to go up alot after this disaster... Jill |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:58pm wrong ghost, ya got that backwards. total non farm jobs went like this: 1992 108726 1993 110844 1994 114291 1995 117298 1996 119708 1997 122776 1998 128993 2000 131785 2001 131826 2002 130341 2003 129999 2004 131480 Those are, of course, in millions. Or, if you wanted to just look at private sector jobs, you will see a huge rise during clinton's time, and a decrease under bush jr. Its not just that bush jr hasnt seen the same pace of growth, under bush jr, we have seen a decline. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 2:00pm oh, and in my state, there has been an INCREASE in the total number of farms. Granted, the number of acres used for farming is down, but the number of farms, and the number of people working on those farms has increased. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 2:00pm HOUSEHOLD DATA ANNUAL AVERAGES 1. Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population, 1940 to date (Numbers in thousands) Civilian labor force Year/ Civilian noninstitutional population/(Employed)/Total/Percent of population / Agriculture / Nonagricultural / (Unemployed) / Number / % of labor Force / Not in labor force 1992 .................................................. 192,805 128,105 66.4 118,492 61.5 3,247 115,245 9,613 7.5 64,700 1993 .................................................. 194,838 129,200 66.3 120,259 61.7 3,115 117,144 8,940 6.9 65,638 1994 1 ............................................... 196,814 131,056 66.6 123,060 62.5 3,409 119,651 7,996 6.1 65,758 1995 .................................................. 198,584 132,304 66.6 124,900 62.9 3,440 121,460 7,404 5.6 66,280 1996 .................................................. 200,591 133,943 66.8 126,708 63.2 3,443 123,264 7,236 5.4 66,647 1997 1 ............................................... 203,133 136,297 67.1 129,558 63.8 3,399 126,159 6,739 4.9 66,836 1998 1 ............................................... 205,220 137,673 67.1 131,463 64.1 3,378 128,085 6,210 4.5 67,547 1999 1 ............................................... 207,753 139,368 67.1 133,488 64.3 3,281 130,207 5,880 4.2 68,385 2000 1 ............................................... 212,577 142,583 67.1 136,891 64.4 2,464 134,427 5,692 4.0 69,994 2001 .................................................. 215,092 143,734 66.8 136,933 63.7 2,299 134,635 6,801 4.7 71,359 2002 .................................................. 217,570 144,863 66.6 136,485 62.7 2,311 134,174 8,378 5.8 72,707 2003 1 ............................................... 221,168 146,510 66.2 137,736 62.3 2,275 135,461 8,774 6.0 74,658 2004 1 ............................................... 223,357 147,401 66.0 139,252 62.3 2,232 137,020 8,149 5.5 75,956 1 Not strictly comparable with data for prior years. For an explanation, see "Historical Comparability" under the Household Data section of the Explanatory Notes and Estimates of Error. 195 |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 2:19pm The point I am trying to make though is there is more people working now than ever in the history of this country |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 2:39pm Ghost, as a talking point, that sounds good. However, for the people that actually get information behind the talking points, that sounds dumb. Yes, according to your info, there are about 3 million more people working now than there were in 2000. However, the population of the USA grew by 10 million people just in Bush Jr's first term. By now, its probably up to about 11 to 11.5 million. Broken down in laymens terms, (rhetorically), you could say that not 1 american that was out of work in 2000 has found a job, and only about 25% of the new immigrants have found work. Bro, the average population growth is about 1.8 million per year. Over the last 4 years, there has been above avg population growth. If the 'of age' population is growing at 150k to 200k per month, there would need to be 150 to 200k new net jobs in the economy just to maintain level. So when Bush jr and his cronies get all hyped up and happy that "last month saw an increase of 109k new jobs".....he is trying to make you think that a bad job is a good job. If the population grew by 150k last month, but there were only 109k new jobs, that means there is an additional 41k people not working. Bush jr wants you to think that is a good thing that there are 41k more people not working this month then there were last month. Thats like when bush was all happy and proud that he added $1.6 billion to the VA. What he didnt tell you as he had that shit eatin grin on his face, was that just the inflation on the health care was more than 1.6 billion.......and of COURSE he never mentioned the increase in the people that need to use the VA after being in Iraq. So even if there was no such thing as inflation, the additional troops that needed to use VA healthcare would be more than the 1.6 billion he increased funding by. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Bob P on Sep 2nd, 2005, 3:13pm It's the Catholic's fault. They (being mostly rich liberals from the northeast) extend false hope to the poor. Thne squeeze them for their last farthings to buy gold candlestick holders for their churches. This causes huge unemployment numbers which are covered up by the liberal catholic congress. Once the Protestants get their conservative guy in office this all becomes so evident. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by nani on Sep 2nd, 2005, 3:21pm In looking at unemployment numbers, it's important to remember that once one maxes out their benefits, they are dropped from the stats. It's not that they have a job, they're just not being counted in the ranks of "unemployed". |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ghost62 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 3:25pm Dont forget the Indians, we didnt fight hard enough to keep the people out now look what happened. And also gotto blame the Vikings for not setteling here first when they found it. no wait lets blame the Chinese for inventing gun powder that gave the abibity to conquire the land here. [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Bob P on Sep 2nd, 2005, 3:35pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Charlie on Sep 2nd, 2005, 6:10pm Quote:
Economic growth isn't what it used to be. In 2004, the economy grew a solid 3.8 percent. But for the fifth straight year, median household income was basically flat, at $44,389 in 2004, the Census Bureau said Tuesday. That's the longest stretch of income stagnation on record. Economic growth was also no elixir for the 800,000 additional workers who found themselves without health insurance in 2004. Were it not for increased coverage by military insurance and Medicaid, the ranks of the uninsured - now 45.8 million - would be even larger. And 1.1 million more people fell into poverty in 2004, bringing the ranks of poor Americans to 37 million. When President Bush talks about the economy, he invariably boasts about good economic growth. But he doesn't acknowledge what is apparent from the census figures: as the very rich get even richer, their gains can mask the stagnation and deterioration at less lofty income levels. This week's census report showed that income inequality was near all-time highs in 2004, with 50.1 percent of income going to the top 20 percent of households. And additional census data obtained by the Economic Policy Institute show that only the top 5 percent of households experienced real income gains in 2004. Incomes for the other 95 percent of households were flat or falling. Income inequality is an economic and social ill, but the administration and the Congressional majority don't seem to recognize that. When Congress returns from its monthlong summer vacation next week, two of the leadership's top priorities include renewing the push to repeal the estate tax, which affects only the wealthiest of families, and extending the tax cuts for investment income, which flow largely to the richest Americans. At the other end of the spectrum, lawmakers have stubbornly refused to raise the minimum wage: $5.15 an hour since 1997. They will also be taking up proposals for deep budget cuts in programs that ameliorate income inequality, like Medicaid, food stamps and federal student loans. They should be ashamed of themselves. End of article. You read your blogs, I'll read my articles. Sadly, the internet allows too much of this. It isn't good for serious debate. It's healthier to be forced to search a bit for stuff to shoot down. Charlie http://us4all.50webs.com/smilies/help/help004.gif?SSImageQuality=Full |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 7:07pm How about you shut the computer off, sit down and write a fucking check? All this bitching aint getting those folks anywhere. http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloadsnew/cj_48382.wmv |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by floridian on Sep 2nd, 2005, 7:30pm on 09/02/05 at 14:19:26, ghost62 wrote:
And as the number of Bibles sold each year has gone up over time, so too has the number of murders and the use of illicit drugs. Clearly religion is to blame for the increase in sin, unless maybe population is the explanation for both. Quote:
Done that - the largest contribution I have ever made to charity. But I can't give away money at that rate for long. I had the "be reasonable, patient and quiet attitude" at first, but I really think that lighting a fire of public discontent is also going to help. The State of Louisiana did not have an adequate plan in place. The Feds were asleep at the wheel. Yesterday (Thursday) the head of FEMA said the reason about 15,000 refugees at the New Orleans Convention Center have gone without food or water since the day of the hurricane is because FEMA didn't even know the refugees were there until today!!! WTF?? 250 Million people in this country know about it but the government agency that is supposed to deal with it does not?? We're not the ones who should be told to shut up - that honest idiot that is in charge of FEMA should shut up or make soft cooing noises that the problem is being dealth with, not admit that his agency is up shit creek without a brain. That kind of honesty might demoralize the victims of this tragedy and shake the faith of Americans in their government. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Charlie on Sep 2nd, 2005, 7:31pm Pretty good point there Jonny. Charlie http://smiles.ru/coll/smile/depressed.gif?SSImageQuality |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by maffumatt on Sep 2nd, 2005, 7:35pm I believe everyone has dropped the ball here, starting with the democratic mayor, leading to the democratic govenor, and leading to the republican president. I am sure there is enough blame to go around. It was an unprecidented tragedy, this infighting is bringing politics to a new low, and is a tragedy in itself. It is an embarresment to the county, and any brownie points you may gleen from this would be the same as blood money in my book. Its a crying fuckin shame all around. Its disgusting. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by floridian on Sep 2nd, 2005, 7:39pm on 09/02/05 at 19:35:25, maffumatt wrote:
It's not about brownie points. Its about accountability. There is plenty of blame to go around. Pretending that nothing could have been done only invites another major screw up. Pretending that everyone is doing the best they can is complicity with the incompetence. Anything that can be done to speed up the search and rescue is good, be it a donation or screaming at politicians that have dragged their feet. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by maffumatt on Sep 2nd, 2005, 7:46pm Then spread it around, it is the govenors job for disaster relief, and to send in the state milita, and the mayors job to provide security, he dropped that ball before the storm hit.You have yet to mention any of this. Why? I aint blameing anyone, it was a natural disaster beyond belief. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by ckelly181 on Sep 2nd, 2005, 7:52pm Holy cows. Did anyone see the relief show on NBC just now? Mike Meyers was reading his bit off the teleprompter and the man next to him (I didn't catch his name) started rambling - he started talking about how black people in NO are being unfairly depicted on tv. His opinion, but it was obvious he was not on script. He finally stopped and Mike picked up again. He was visibly uncomfortable. Then this man said, "Bush hates black people" and they immediately cut away to Chris Tucker, who kind of winged it for a few seconds. I don't know who this man was, but it was uncomfortable and mesmerizing. Didn't Jesse Jackson make a statement recently that this just can't be about race right now? It'll be a long country-wide think: the impact on the economy, thoughts on race, disaster preparedness, etc. Just so sad in so many ways. Chris |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by maffumatt on Sep 2nd, 2005, 7:54pm a new low |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:01pm The mayor of N.O. is on drugs, sucking the crack pipe. You be the judge. Blame? http://kiro.liquidviewer.net/kiro-od/mayornagin.asf |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:08pm Actually, matt, since this was declared a federal disaster before the hurricane even hit, the feds are in charge. The new fangled "homeland security office" is the one responsible. We can all rest assured they have no experience what-so-ever in small disasters, let alone large or catastrophic disasters. Michael Chertoff was a judge on the third circuit, so there should be no question about his experience in disaster relief or homeland security......he has none. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by cootie on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:12pm If this turns racial it is really gonna cause a disaster everywhere in the US........someone 'sounds off' and it snowballs. Now there mad relief didn't get there sooner but seems to me it is a hard place to get to and somea the neighborhoods impossible and then the violence caught us off gaurd to send people in. Sheesh......what's the world comeing to ? I don't like what I am seeing with gas prices and all the other effects from this mess......everyone cashing in Pam Here is an email I got today from a freind.....I have no idea if it is ligit but this person doesn't send crap.....so thought ya's mite find it interesting: Help Wanted (to help clean up) Date: 9/2/2005 From: treysmagna@yahoo.com Construction company hiring 1000 people to help with hurricane clean up. $10/hr, 80-90 hrs weekly, food, lodging, transportation to area. Start immediately, could go on for 1-2 yrs. Anyone interested can call directly to: Certified/LVI Environmental Services Inc. 10500 Telephone Road Houston, TX 77075 Rusty Wallace, Regional Manager - South/Southeast Jeff Galvan, Vice Presiden |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:16pm LOL jonny, you think that cause he is.......what.......pissed? angry? desparate? that means he is on crack? From what is sounds like to me, he has told chertoff and bush what needs to happen, and he has been refused. Howcome he has begged for assistance, but is just told that its on the way? I can get a package across the country and have it on the east coast by 10:am.......and you know what? i dont even own an airplane!!!!! the federal govt has many many assets that could have gotten the supplies there on monday afternoon......but now its friday evening and just the first trickle came in today. what the fuck? Howcome in Andrew in Florida, they had C130s dropping pallets of shit in parachutes that same day it was hit? howcome there hasnt been even 1 C130 dropping anything? Nagin doesnt have that authority. Chertoff does. So does Bush jr. Howcome it hasnt been done? BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Charlie on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:19pm Quote:
Can't really argue. The New York Times put it in a nutshell....in brief: FEMA and everybody was sorta prepared for a hurricane but no one really expected a levee break. http://us4all.50webs.com/smilies/diversen/help.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Sounds about right to me. The country is looking pretty bad. Lots of mistakes, not pretty. Looks better tonight. We need a big break and no more funny weather for awhile. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Charlie on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:23pm Quote:
It is the elephant in the corner of the room that no one likes to talk about. :-/ Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:26pm on 09/02/05 at 20:16:48, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Because when you drop relief at 200 MPH in feces riddin water it is useless.....Duh! If you think that guy speaking is capable of handeling the control of a city, you are one of few. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:27pm Charlie, i really dont fall for that one. The whole fucking city is surrounded by natural levees and man-made levees. Everyone there knows that the mississippi and the lake basically surround the whole city. Everyone knew that. When the storm was only 100 miles off shore, it looked like it was gonna hit N.O. directly, and they forecasted a minimum of 15 feet of water in the whole city. Man, listening to that interview Jonny posted. I like that guy!!! He sounds like a real man, not some polished politician with a script written. This man speaks from the heart now, and i like what i hear. Dont you swear? Dont you get heated? Dont you get emotional? Dont you ever feel stressed? Well, that means you are a real person, and so is Nagin. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:30pm Jonny, i'd like to see you in a parachute doing 200mph. They dont go that fast, smart guy. And i think it may be possible, some how, some way, to seal the goods in the pallet, or to seal the pallet itself so that moisture wont harm it. I think that might be possible. Course, im just an accountant, not an engineer. 200mph......lol.....that is some funny shit! BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:33pm Do you know how big a C-130 is? Do you think it can cruise at a 100 MPH? That just shows that you have no fucking idea what your talking about! Edit to add.....C-130 dont go 200 MPH?....now you are the stupidest person on earth......LMMFAO |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Sean_C on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:36pm http://www.allaccess.com/images/mailing/kr/ Sean.................................... :( |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:44pm on 09/02/05 at 20:30:19, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Manufacturer: Lockheed Wing Span: 132’ 7" Wing Area: 1,734 square feet Height: 38’ 3" Length: 97’ 9" Max Gross Weight: 175,000 lbs Empty Weight: 76,780 lbs Number Engines: 4 Propulsion Type: Allison T56-A15 Turboprop Fuel Capacity: 62,900 lbs Max Endurance: 14 hrs Max Speed: 330 knots Cruising Speed: 290 knots Max Range: 4,500 nautical miles Radius of Action: 1,600 nautical miles Service Ceiling: 33,000 feet above sea level Number of Pilots: 2 Number Flight Crew: 5 Number of Operational Aircraft: 26 Number of Storage or Support Aircraft: 4 Total Number of Aircraft: 30 You can suck my dick later, Dude ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:47pm Jonny, cmon, man, you trying to sound stupid?? We arent talking about C130s crashing into NO to help them. We are talking about dropping supplies in parachutes down to NO from the C130. BTW, the C130 is a 4 engine jet, bout 190 feet long. Max cruising around 350. Holds over 200k pounds of fuel and has a non loaded stall speed of about 90kts with full flaps. But who gives a fuck about the planes stall speed? we are talking about dropping cargo from them. Get with it, Jonny BMonee Edited to add: and what the fuck man? who the fuck is talking about putting a parachute on a C130? And did i say that C130s dont go 200mph? of course not. We are talking about supplies in parachutes, doesnt matter what the stall speed of the plane is, who gives a fuck? |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:50pm Im not really into that Jonny. You are gonna have to find some other dude to pleasure you. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:52pm Sound stupid? You already did that saying they dont fly 200MPH.....LMAO You are so easy its too fucking stupid....go back to counting beans my friend....thats what your good at....LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:59pm on 09/02/05 at 20:47:24, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
on 09/02/05 at 20:30:19, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Nope, you didnt say that....what a fucking putz.....LMAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:01pm Jonny, you are a good spinner, however, you severely lack in brain power. You said that pallets can not be dropped out of C130s and then have a parachute carry that to the ground. You said the reason is cause the cargo would be moving at 200mph when it hit the ground. I never said a C130 is unable to do 200mph, i said a pallet of cargo on a parachute most certainly would not be doing 200mph. You are either extremely fucking stupid, or you have realized you are wrong and are now trying to create a smokescreen so that i wont call you on it. Either way, you are fucking dumb. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by cootie on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:02pm Gawd can you imagine a package dropping in front of hundreds of starveing people........it'd be like dropping a cat into a pack of wolves. I'm not sure there is any way of winning for looseing Pam No one is ever gonna agree on any of this totally.....there will be books and movies no doubt......sumone else will cash in on that. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:08pm on 09/02/05 at 21:01:33, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Wow!, I am dumb? Ive posted numerous times how you said a C-130 would not do 200 MPH. Who now is trying to pull thier head out of thier ass? You lose fucker and calling me names will only get you killed here, learn it and live it, Bean counter.....LMMFAO :-* |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:13pm OH, whoops, i said C130 is 4 engine jet, i was thinking of the C17. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:17pm Jonny, no matter how much you say it, I never said a C130 cant do 200MPH. If you are so fucking dumb that you think that by "in a parachute, cant do 200mph", you think I meant that the airplane itself is somehow gonna get inside a parachute and gently lower itself to the ground, you are beyond fucking dumb. jonny, YOU said that a pallet of cargo in a parachute would be going 200mph when it hit the ground. You are still wrong, no matter how stupid you are. Jonny, YOU said that a pallet of shit that hit the soup at 200 mph would be useless. You were referring to the airplane crashing directly into the city of NO in a parachute? You have already said you were not referring to the pallet of shit....so what were you referring to you dumb ass? BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:18pm CLASSIC TROLL Remember this, folks!!!! |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:20pm on 09/02/05 at 21:17:58, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:22pm on 09/02/05 at 20:26:31, Jonny wrote:
This is it, fucktard. Now smarten up. BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Charlie on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:26pm Quote:
It takes me forever to download stuff so I rarely do. Is this from the Mayor's rant about useless meetings and news conference bullshit? I saw it earlier. I love this guy. http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/standart/clapping.gif?SSImageQuality=Full Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Kevin_M on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:28pm Interviewed on McNeil/Lehrer, a Lt General of Army Corp of Engineers stated that the levee was built to withstand a hurricane of force 3, however anticipating them being breached wasn't discussed. Repair window is difficult but ballparked at about 45-80 days. They seem to have a good knowledge of getting it done, difficult with certain nature contingencies, he was pretty detailed, and confident. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:28pm Ok, shit for brains bean counter, you cannot push something that big out of a plane at 200 MPH only to land in water that is ladened with fecse, chemicals, battery acid and every thing that is floating there (not to mention dead bodies) Do yo actually have a brain in that bucket? |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by maffumatt on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:29pm racking those brownie points right on up there. I sure feel educated now. Sad..... |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by cootie on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:32pm Why don't you smarten up and STFU bluebeanie.......there is enuff grief goin on rite now with pain and disasters.....who cares how fast sumthin will fall unless it is comein rite at ya. When the levee breaks Pam I've seen more BAD in this world lately that I am gettin majorly depressed !!!! Not to mention worries about keepin jobs.....health issues......a seriously sick beloved pet.......gas prices takein up a big chunk of the paycheck.......propane prices to heat the house goin up astronomical........and so on and so on and so on.......nuff said. Too much too fast................... :P |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by LeLimey on Sep 3rd, 2005, 12:24am on 09/02/05 at 21:18:03, Jonny wrote:
Penis Envy Jonny.. pure and simple!! LOL I've got more balls than this dicksplat but then if you look back to his posts last time he was here its nothing new. Once a knob always a knob. He just likes pushing everyone's buttons, when has anyone here ever seen this man post to a "I'm sorry your damn head hurts" thread huh? He'll talk about the price of IMI or something political but bugger talking about anything to do with decent human emotions. BMonee you sicken me.You do NOTHING to support Clusterville and I know plenty of others participate in political threads but it is not to the exclusion of all else posted. Only pigs wallow in shit all day long boy.. bear that in mind. You told me last week I'm "not very nice". If that means I'm not like you then you've paid me no greater compliment. Now lighten up, remember what you are here for or don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out. WankersRus is a couple of sites down. Oh and before you start with Jonny I suggest you lighten the load for one other ch'er. He bloody has. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Charlie on Sep 3rd, 2005, 1:38am Geeze Helen. Tell us how you really feel. Go get him. Charlie http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/travesmilies/smilie_aengstl1.gif?SSImageQuality=Full |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Big Dan on Sep 3rd, 2005, 1:52am I can't believe I've been missing all of this... -Big Dan |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 3rd, 2005, 2:44am Sorry you feel that way helen. Everyone deals with the CH in different ways, just cause you and i are different doesnt mean you have to call me names. I badger back and forth with Jonny cause it is humerous. We both seem to have fun doing it and other people laugh too. You need to cool your jets helen. Again, i am sorry if my way of dealing with this debilitating affliction i have is different than your way of dealing. You want to be mean to me to make me conform or something......girl? Cool it, and back the fuck up. We are all here suffering from CH, i wont knock your way of dealing with it, please dont knock mine. Thank you Brian I believe its in the bible, something about to receive help is more gracious than to give help. I am not in a position to help right now, i am just trying to make it through. If you feel that you need to call me a dicksplat, and talk about how large your testicles are and call me other names for receiving help and support here at a site soley intended for help and support, you are the sad human. Why dont you try learning about human emotions, and realize that your emotions are not the 'correct' emotions? |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by LeLimey on Sep 3rd, 2005, 6:22am Any particular reason why you IM me the post you've just made here? Were you afraid I'd miss it? Were you afraid I wouldn't come back to look for your reply?! Oh you really don't know me very well little man!! LOL I'd have happily taken this to pm's but since you obviously don't want to thats fine. I stand behind and in front of what I said to you. I don't quite know what you meant by your comments about more blessed to get than give so I'll answer it on two levels. If you meant financial assistance in New Orleans then I don't care whether you can give financial assistance or not. I know a hell of alot of people here who are struggling to buy food never mind run cars, or make house payments or buy meds. That is here, right on THIS site and they can't give financial aid either. Those who can will. Those who can't will show compassion. Thats all that counts at the end of the day, caring. If you are talking however about support here at ch.com then there are people here who are getting hit daily. There are people here who haven't been hit for over a decade. There are supporters who's partners are in both categories above. All these people and most other member's of the site in between have one thing in common. They come here seeking help and advice and they stay to help out others. There are very very precious few who CAN EVER give financial assistance, meds or anything other than an online hug and an "I'm thinking of you hon" but you know what? It bloody helps knowing they have your back. Knowing you can come here and just say "help" and everyone will jump to support you. Even if they don't much like you. I do not like the way you go out of your way to cause controversy.Whilst I am not and never will be a happy fluffy wuffy bunnies and rainbows kind of a girl I get bored with the eternal ranting too. Finally your "I'm trying to make it through" comment - if that was financially then join the club. So is the rest of America and the world. If however you mean you are struggling with the beast then [smiley=hug.gif] I hope you catch a break soon. Helen |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by pubgirl on Sep 3rd, 2005, 7:17am Helen girl Do you know something? I think I love you! I know that when I am elsewhere there will always be a ballsy Brit bird on here giving a bit of "what for" Do you think we give Brit women a bad name? Nah! Neither do I ;;D ;;D ;;D Love to all Dubya da Bee P.S. Where's that other Brit troublemaker Cathy? |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Chillrmn1 on Sep 3rd, 2005, 8:18am NOW is not the time to point fingers at what misdeeds and incompetence others and agencies, be they Democrats, Republicans, or whatever, did and didn't do which resulted in this lack of preparedness. Nothing can be done about that right now. NOW is the time to come together and get aid and relief immediately to the people suffering from this terrible disaster. It's true many incompetent and asinine decisions led up to this sorry situation. We, as a country and other countries, must make damn sure these failures and breakdowns are properly evaluated, learned from, and identified so actions will be taken in proactive measures and policies to prevent or lessen the degree of these catastrophic consequences in the future. JMHO |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 3rd, 2005, 9:42am Yes Helen, i sent that message to you on PM so you would be sure to see it. I am not talking financially about anything. You were insulting me cause i have not talked about CHs in about a month or so. I am saying I am unable to GIVE support (emotional) right now because i am too busy needing to RECEIVE support. In addition to not being in an emotional state right now to give support, I am also relatively new to CH and my knowledge base about it is minimal. I dont know psychology, but i think there is a state called 'denial'. My life was totally and completely consumed....for the second time this year, by a cycle. As you know, the CH cycle is pretty fuckin intense.....shocking really. After dealing with up to 7 hits per nite, and not getting to spend I know that running from it, or denying it is probably not a healthy way to deal......but i am not perfect, and i never chose to get this. I just have to deal with this any way that i can and remain alive.....if that means not acknowledging the beast, or giving it the 'silent treatment'....so be it. Again, i am sorry if my emotional state is so fragile that you need to call me names. Its ok, though, i have thick skin. If that is one of your ways to 'deal' with the beast, and makes you get relief, keep the insults coming. Brian |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by cootie on Sep 3rd, 2005, 9:47am Nothin worse then a man callin out a women......what a tough guy. I hate people that can dish it out but can't take it......or do alot of name calling and start shit then turn on people calling them names saying it is mean. Two faces of a bluebunnie Pam With all that is goin on rite now it doesn't take much to make tempers fly......I think were all a little edgy......it's a cruel cruel world. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by don on Sep 3rd, 2005, 9:50am Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by maffumatt on Sep 3rd, 2005, 10:48am http://www.farrance.net/jeremy/images/toilet-paper_lg.jpg dont forget to wipe |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by jimbo on Sep 3rd, 2005, 11:49am Hey everyone, There is a new product out that will help you with your vision! They are called HINDSIGHTS 20/20 GLASSES 8) The pamphlet says if you put them on after a disaster, you'll be able to instantly figure out what should have been done before the disaster. Customers include: Arm-chair know it alls and people who just generally like to bitch about things without actually doing anything to help the situation before or after. I know a few people here who probably sleep with them on! ;;D Seeya, Jimbo |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 3rd, 2005, 12:43pm cootie, get a clue. I bullshit around and throw around funny insults for fun. I have no intentions to hurt anyone's feelings. You say i cant 'take it'? you must not be able to read. Jonny and i have been going back and forth for days, both are having fun. Now helen comes in here and throws insults around.....but the difference is that she means it. I can call jonny ugly, or he can call me stupid, but its all in fun. I dont call people names or put them down or insult them when i am serious. Its all just fun and games. Get a clue cootie!! really. get a clue. And btw, you say that i am calling out a woman? i did no such thing. Helen is the one that came in here and decided to start calling names with the intention to hurt. So, what, just cause she is a woman, i cant tell her to back the fuck up? What ever happened to women's lib? Oh, I see, you only want equality when it's convenient. ok BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by jcmquix on Sep 3rd, 2005, 12:52pm on 09/03/05 at 12:43:25, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Dude you are just Plain Rude... you do not talk to a woman like that... I hope to see every woman here Kicking your ass acting this way.... If its between You & Jonny, keep it that way.. Do not start going after the women here just because you can not match WITS with Jonny.... Have a Nice Day Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 3rd, 2005, 1:01pm Charlie, please tell me what is rude about that. Yes, telling someone to get a clue is rude, but cootie really needs it. Please tell me how what i just said was rude, and what might be an example of saying what i said in a non-rude way. And could you please show me where "i started going after women"? Looks to me like Jonny and i were bullshittin back and forth, and then helen came in here and got pissy and rude and started with the insults. Can you please show me where I "went after" a woman in an unprovoked way? Thanks BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 3rd, 2005, 1:08pm Man!, if you think this is fun just wait till mid July . Hope you can make it ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by jcmquix on Sep 3rd, 2005, 1:11pm I think you are the one who needs to buy a Clue... Where did you get rude ??? I'll give you one Clue, I would never talk to my wife that way you talk to any of the women here... Dude if you ever met my wife, you better watch your P's & Q's our you might be walking away with new Dental work... JUST BACK OFF THE WOMEN !!!!! Clues for SALE Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 3rd, 2005, 1:17pm Dude, Without the insults and the funny little predictions, can you please tell me either specifically what i said that was rude, and or what an example might be that i COULD have said that would not be considered rude to you? Seriously, dude, i am not trying to fight. but you wont explain yourself. Yes, i am slow, and dumb, you need to explain it to me in detail, please. Thanks BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by don on Sep 3rd, 2005, 1:49pm Quote:
Stating the obvious. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BikerBob on Sep 3rd, 2005, 1:55pm Enough. There's no reason for petty bickering among clusterheads in threads like this. State your opinions on the issues all you want, but hurling insults against each other is childish. I've only posted about Katrina 3 times... The first was a reply to Edna more than 24 hours before Katrina hit the Gulf coast: ----------------------------------------------------------- BikerBob Re: Hurricane Katrina « Reply #14 on: Aug 28th, 2005, 4:18am » Evacuate. Don't go North. Go East or West depending on where you are on this map. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/graphics/AT12/20.AL1205W.GIF ------------------------------------------------------------ The second was quotes from a Molly Ivins column pointing out some of the reasons why New Orleans was so ill-prepared for this disaster. In the third, this thread, I restated some of the reasons why New Orleans was so ill-prepared and went into a rant against Bush for falsely saying "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" and hypocritically saying "I hope people don't play politics at this time of a natural disaster the likes of which this country has never seen." To the Bush supporters: Heed Bush's advice, don't play politics among yourselves. BB |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 3rd, 2005, 2:12pm on 09/03/05 at 13:55:21, BikerBob wrote:
So says you, Douchebag....LMMFAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Charlie on Sep 3rd, 2005, 4:35pm Quote:
I'm not at all I Bible thumper but I didn't read it that way. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 3rd, 2005, 4:36pm I am not the most well liked person here as far as it goes politicaly, but in general I am a nice guy and the people here know that . Bemoney, dude your a lepper here. Politicaly and personaly....... SUCK THAT!!!! .....................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by jcmquix on Sep 3rd, 2005, 6:35pm on 09/03/05 at 13:17:07, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Dear Mr.BMonee.. I am not going to gey into a Pissing match with You.. ok.. If you can not read this post and figure where you were/are wrong.. so be it... Its just not right for you to be Jumping on Veterans from this Board, that really Care & Help People... They do not just drift in Stir up Shit and Drift out... Thats all I have to say, I am not fighting with you on this subject.. No matter how far a Woman jumps, you do not hit a Woman.. you say "I Sorry" and walk away... Have a Nice Day Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by cootie on Sep 4th, 2005, 12:04pm Does anyone know where a girl can 'get a clue'........don't use my name in vein dude.......play all the games you want but leave me out of it. Whatever the clue is I am not getting is so TRIVIAL I don't give a shit to try and figure it out. Got more serious shit in the world verses a clue to you. Clueless and don't care Pam The clue is jus not worth the space I am typeing on......if ya don't like me then take the rest and don't leave me with a mess. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by deltadarlin on Sep 4th, 2005, 10:06pm BMoneeTheMoneeMan, Maybe I'm stupid, but you say , and I quote on 09/03/05 at 09:42:29, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Tell me something please. If this is the case, how are you posting on here and continuing to be involved in flame wars? When redneck has a cycle, staying on the computer, arguing with people is the very LAST thing that he is able to do. Don't give me any crap psychology about things either, spent too many years as a counselor and I've got over 20 years under my belt as a supporter. You can't talk about ch, but you can spew venom and garbage about anything else on this board. AND I am going to say this here and now, before you think about attacking me, think twice little man. Helen is a doll compared to what you will deal with if you fuck with me. Cootie, I think I found out where we can get a *clue* and they're on sale too! |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 4th, 2005, 11:51pm Excuse me. I didnt realize that asking someone to elaborate on their previously stated opinion is attacking. I am not in flame wars with anyone, and i am not spewing garbage. If telling helen to stop attacking me and asking her to explain why she did it is attacking, i am sorry. If saying that relief should have been in NO the same day as the hurricane is 'spewing venom and garbage', i will discontinue stating the obvious. (ps, on this issue, ALL of the major 'news' networks have also stated that maybe relief should have been in NO less than 4 days after a huge hurricane) If you are upset with me, why cant you discuss your feeling is a calm, rational manner? Why cant it simply be stated the reason why you are upset with me and maybe an alternative course of action for me to follow next time? Isnt that what mature adults do? Like i said earlier, I dont want to have my life after cycle consumed as well. I apologize if my trying to run from the beast, and to try to keep my mind occupied on anything except CH is in some way attacking you or your generous support. I dont want to think about CH right now. I just had the beast cornhole me pretty bad for about 9 weeks. Is it asking for too much to let my mind be consumed by something other than CH for a little bit? BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by sassy_lady on Sep 5th, 2005, 12:27am on 09/04/05 at 23:51:32, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
have a ?. if you don't want to think about CH's, you haven't spent time with the wife & child, your not in cycle, & you don't want to talk about Ch's or give support to other Ch suffers & supporters, then why are you here upsetting people? people here are alraedy upset & in pain!! we don't need people here to just to be here to upset other people!! you might think that you are having fun with jonny & everyone else, but from my point of veiw, I don't think jonny or anyone else is playing!! & as far as Helen & Pam, I Love These Ladys, they have pulled me out of so much pain & anger & have given me so much support !! I'm new here & so is my husband jcmquix (Charlie), yet if he's in cycle or not, we take & give support, that is what this site is about!! It's not for just takeing & giving bullshit back & upseting people!! people here are here to give & take!! & in the & bible It states that (it is better to give then to recieve!!) !! Lots of Prayers to You & Yours !!! Jolene |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 5th, 2005, 1:00am Jolene, I was wondering the same question actually. BMonee, IMHO, I find it offensive to say all the statements about not wanting to deal with it or have it consume your life when some people here have it consuming their life daily without a break for years - and many others are in cycle now and have to continue to deal with it - and many others who are not in cycle are here supporting those that are in cycle or chronic - and those suffering also offer a great deal of support to others. I don't understand the point of sticking around on a board about cluster headaches if you don't want to have anything to do with the topic right now. I'm glad that you're out of cycle, but um....do you think you could stop thinking about yourself for 5 minutes and maybe offer support to those here who are in cycle or chronic instead of saying you want nothing to do with it? Or offering support to new people who show up, suffering or supporting, with a lot of questions and frankly a lot of relief just from simply finding this place? I'm sure people answered your questions and offered support when you were suffering and they were not. Return the favor, perhaps? I'm sorry - but I just don't get it. I frankly don't feel like opening a thread on a serious topic and then read several pages in order to find it digressing to swearing, name calling, and telling everyone that you guys are only playing and you want nothing to do with CH as it is. Could you not put that in another topic besides a thread about a serious disaster? I mean really.....some of us don't want to read that - joking or not - so take it to PMs or something. Just wondering why on earth you'd make several posts about how you want nothing to do with CH....on a cluster headaches message board. [smiley=huh.gif] Carrie |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 5th, 2005, 1:10am on 09/05/05 at 01:00:53, Lizzie2 wrote:
Ive said it since day one! TROLL! Its what they do! |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 5th, 2005, 1:13am on 09/05/05 at 01:10:12, Jonny wrote:
LOL you're right, you're right...I MUST learn to listen better! ;) :) |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 5th, 2005, 1:15am Baby steps, Carrie. (not that i am gonna leave), not strong enough to stray too far from the CH family. You arent telling me anything i dont know.....I owe my life to this site and kind people like DJ and people to actually create it. Literally...my life. After going through 2 intense cycles undiagnosed, my 9mm was looking better and better. Thank God i found this site, which gave me the support to try to take control. I didnt know that my actions, ie trying to run from the beast and clear my mind of it, was being considered offensive by so many. I will try to do as you state and offer support more regularly. thanks for the advice. Brian |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by maffumatt on Sep 5th, 2005, 7:20am BeGoneTheGoAwayMan |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by don on Sep 5th, 2005, 7:32am Quote:
LMAO. Better get used to it kiddo. Quote:
Whiner. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by cootie on Sep 5th, 2005, 9:52am looks like the beast has turned you into one........get out of our heads Pam |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by don on Sep 5th, 2005, 3:56pm Quote:
2 whole cycles? You poor little puppy. Try 20 fucking years worth undiagnosed. What a wimp. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by cootie on Sep 5th, 2005, 4:13pm Yeah......what Don said......same here for Brad......he went a few years undiagnosed and been doin this for just about 20 years comein up.....went thru alot of asprin,advil,sinus medication and kleenex. That's my clue Pam |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 5th, 2005, 5:03pm on 09/05/05 at 15:56:29, don wrote:
Thank you for the support. Nice to see you insulting me for having CH. PF wishes BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by cootie on Sep 5th, 2005, 6:47pm Mr money man.......dude.....he ment that you were whineing about goin thru two whole cycles when most here have been goin thru this up to 20 years or more. Compare.......yer up against veterans tellin THEM how it is. Bad mood arise'n Pam Remind me to kill you later................... :P |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by Jonny on Sep 5th, 2005, 7:08pm on 09/05/05 at 17:03:33, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Try 31 years here......Where in the fuck are you supporting? Seems to me you just want to run away.....What a girl ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by don on Sep 5th, 2005, 8:23pm Quote:
Nooooooooooooo. Nice try. If I'm insulting you its because you sound like a whiney ass little girl. Toughen the fuck up. |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 5th, 2005, 11:47pm on 09/05/05 at 18:47:00, cootie wrote:
Im not 'up against' anyone tellin anyone anything about nuthin. Im just sittin here. Just sittin here on the Group W bench....... BMonee |
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Title: Re: Bush and New Orleans Post by LeLimey on Sep 6th, 2005, 3:37am "Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt." Lisa Simpson. |
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