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(Message started by: floridian on Aug 25^th, 2005, 12:03am)

Title: OT - Bird Flu
Post by floridian on Aug 25^th, 2005, 12:03am

It doesn't sound bad, but avian flu involves more than a wheezing sparrow. This virus can jump to humans, where it is 30% lethal. The virus is currently spreading rapidly among birds in Asia, into Europe, and there are some human infections. There is a risk of epidemics, but no one knows how great the risk is.

I took some time out over the past weeks to do a bit of research - if anyone is interested, the article is here:

http://www.med-owl.com/health/H5N1-Virus-Therapy.html

Title: Re: OT - Bird Flu
Post by Sandy_C on Aug 25^th, 2005, 5:47pm

A 30% death rate if left untreated? That's an extraordinarily high percentage. I'm not one to panic over every little flu bug that goes around, but this one bears watching.

Thanks for posting.

Sandy

Title: Re: OT - Bird Flu
Post by Redneck on Aug 25^th, 2005, 6:08pm

It is and has been closely watched. Government non-intervention and unwillingness to ask for help has been a major problem (and no it ain't the U.S. gov't). CDC and all the other U.S. major health services are concerned not only about this one, but an unknown. We are over due for the next "pandemic". I will have to get the last pandemic flu years and numbers while in the office. Here is a link that may help those interested.

http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?action=search&queryText=avian+flu&x=0&y=0

Title: Re: OT - Bird Flu
Post by ozzy on Aug 26^th, 2005, 10:01am

Nice review. Could you expand a bit on the Sambucol paragraph. Why do you say it would be deadly. We use Sambucol for our kids primarily and flu season with great results. But it is troubling waht you say that it may be a lethal combination...

Ozzy

PS. Curcumin can be a succesful treatment for melanoma, a difficult cancer to beat.

Title: Re: OT - Bird Flu
Post by floridian on Aug 26^th, 2005, 1:20pm

Yeah, I need to expand things a bit - will try over the weekend. Sambucol boosts TNF and other cytokines. That is good for ordinary flu viruses, which are susceptible to TNF. But the avian flu strain is resistant to TNF, and TNF levels shoot through the ceiling when humans are infected with avian flu. It may be the TNF and other inflammatory chemicals that are responsible for the high death rate with H5N1.

I've been arguing the sambucol issue with some people - they feel that the antiviral properties of sambucol outweigh the TNF boosting properties.